[VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics

2010-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
...@tiscali.co.uk; Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 10:07 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics Hello early guitarists, I just received a query: “Do you know the earliest publications for lute

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Here we go again. The only person who unequivocally states that his music is for the fully re-entrant tuning is Valdambrini. (And very few people unequivocally state that their music is for any other specific tuning). I don't thank that Murcia's Resumen or Matteis is intended for the fully

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-21 Thread Martyn Hodgson
...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all? To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 21 November, 2010, 11:11

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
-entrant tuning. Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-21 Thread wikla
Thanks to everyone for introducing b-guitar to a theorbist! While thinking of b-guitar I had to tube some strumming on b-lute, a Sarabande by Mercure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZKpXIx1Dg Arto To get on or off this list see list information at

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-21 Thread Monica Hall
Lovely Arto. Nice to know that lutenists do it too. Monica - Original Message - From: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 17:28 Dear Monica, You write: 'I think

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-20 Thread Monica Hall
To: Martyn Hodgson Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence I can't summarize it in a single sentence but I hope I can explain briefly. I think the reason for including alfabeto in these song books is because they were not intended to be accompanied in the same way

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-20 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Dear Monica, In response to my scepticism that these books/Ms were primarily aimed at professional guitar players you write 'In any case the books are intended primarily for theorbo and keyboard players.' - but what is your evidence

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-20 Thread Monica Hall
of ledger lines. But there is still a lot about it which puzzles me. Monica mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela

[VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics

2010-11-20 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Hello early guitarists, I just received a query: “Do you know the earliest publications for lute and/or guitar in which harmonics were used?” Any thoughts? Thanks, Jocelyn To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics

2010-11-20 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 20/11/2010 22:07, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Hello early guitarists, I just received a query: “Do you know the earliest publications for lute and/or guitar in which harmonics were used?” Any thoughts? Thanks, Jocelyn According to Oleg Timofeyev: [Semion Aksionov] apparently invented the

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-20 Thread Stuart Walsh
Dear flat-back lutenists, is there any repertoire/composer of baroque guitar that/who without any modern disagreement definitely used the double re-entrant tuning - the 5th and 4th having only in the upper octaves? De Visee perhaps? An interesting question. I'd like to see a list too. And a

[VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics

2010-11-20 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
; Martyn Hodgson; Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics By not much, as you cannot do them on double strings. RT From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com On 20/11/2010 22:07, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Hello early guitarists, I just received a query: “Do you know

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
with the help of these books/ms and professional musicians. rgds M. --- On Sat, 20/11/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Sat, 20/11/10, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all? To: wikla wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, 20

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Our ready ear is very much influenced/spoiled by functional harmony, I'm afraid. I suppose it went wrong so often (then) because the trick of finding the appropriate harmonies was to add 'middle voices' to a bass and soprano. I

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
/11/10, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 19 November, 2010, 9:49 Dear Martyn, you wrote: However, I don't

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
The shift had taken place by then. I don't know if you have seen the 1622 edition of Sanseverino's guitar book but it includes six songs with what are in effect written out guitar accompaniments. It gives you a clear idea of how he expected the songs to be accompanied. Sanseverino's six

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Thanks much... In practice, I'm moving slowly back in time. I will have to come to grips with the Renaissance sooner or later, in terms of understanding and practice. Well, that's the goal, at any rate. You open great areas to explore. In fact, I'm confronted with choosing which

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
Sanseverino's six (dance-) songs are accompaniments to well-known melodies. Obviously you haven't seen them. (They are not the same songs included in the 1620 edition). They are songs which were currently in the repertoire at the time - Rontani's Caldi sospiri to name but one. This had

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
Them's my sentiments too!!! Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:42 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Dear Stewart

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
I'll let Lex do that first. Monica - Original Message - From: [1]Martyn Hodgson To: [2]Vihuelalist ; [3]Lex Eisenhardt ; [4]Monica Hall Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Dear Lex, Well, it just

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
To answer Martyn's question I can only summarize my position: I think that it is possible that players ('amateurs' or not) have left out the fifth course in certain occasions. No more no less To which I should add however: that I suppose there have individually different approaches and

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed, the Platonic chord.. --- On Fri, 19/11/10, Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk, Vihuela List

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Roman Turovsky
: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Dear Stewart, You write: 'My guess, (and it would be lovely if you could confirm it to be right), is that the bourdons were removed for the sake of strumming. Second inversions were not such a problem per se, especially if there was another

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
: 19 November 2010 12:18 To: Stewart McCoy Cc: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Triads were not new in the 17th century. They had certainly been around a lot earlier than that, and were pretty well established by the 15th century. Composers like Dufay made much use

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
Sanseverino's six (dance-) songs are accompaniments to well-known melodies. Actually, I checked them this morning. Leading Musicologists nowadays treat such repertoire as dance-songs. Which Leading Musicologists? Even songs by Rontani connected with the Florentine school? How could you

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Stewart To this I would ask, why is that guitarists in the 17th century chose to string their guitars without bourdons? By doing that, they drastically reduce the overall range of the instrument, and different courses end up duplicating each other by sounding

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
You asked me what I thought of Alexander Dean's views, to which I answered quite seriously. I think you could have explained it using simpler, more direct language rather than using wordy acaemicspeak.. My goodness. Apparently you have not understood a word of it. As you seem to have

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
You haven't anwered my questions. I will repeat them. Which Leading Musicologists nowadays treat which songs as dance-repertoire? Even songs by Rontani connected with the Florentine school? How could you dance to Caldi sospiri? Which songs are you referring to? I have even found a version of

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-19 Thread Monica Hall
which is where it always ends up. Monica - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl; Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-18 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
I think you are mistaken here because throughout the 16th century general practice was to add contrapuntal parts to a tenor voice. The shift to working from the bass took place at the beginning of the 17th century. So how about songs from the 1620s and 30s? Underlying this discussion is

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
While Sanseverino tells us better not to use the guitar for plucking (in 1620, when alfabeto was the standard notation) we can suppose that he heard players doing that. Alfabeto is a form of shorthand. You can't have a system of shorthand which everyone interprets as they wish. Chord

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
often gets the harmonisations 'wrong' rgds M. --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 17

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Martyn, You write '.how can you find the chords to a song if you have no idea of counterpoint and voice-leading at all...' . Surely this is why a such a basically simple chordal instrument is so popular even today - once you've mastered a few chords and have a reasonable

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Chris Despopoulos
, November 17, 2010 9:42:03 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Dear Martyn, You write '.how can you find the chords to a song if you have no idea of counterpoint and voice-leading at all...' . Surely this is why a such a basically simple chordal instrument

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Monica Hall
Our ready ear is very much influenced/spoiled by functional harmony, I'm afraid. I suppose it went wrong so often (then) because the trick of finding the appropriate harmonies was to add 'middle voices' to a bass and soprano. I think you are mistaken here because throughout the 16th

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Monica Hall
30s. I would prefer to take in account that an experienced theorbist-guitarist would perhaps have tried to expand the system of alfabeto from within. There was no need for them to expand the system of alfabeto from within. The experienced theorbist-guitarist could use lute tablature for

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
That is not true. Renaissance bass patterns certainly predate 17th century. RT - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: [VIHUELA

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-16 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
However, Sanseverino tells not to play in lute style because the guitar would be deprived of its harmony. So it should not be plucked, but played with full strokes. What exactly are 'botte piene'? I would say that also the strummed chords of alfabeto falso, or those in tablature

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-15 Thread Martyn Hodgson
...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi To: Lex Eisenhardt [6]eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist [7]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 15 November, 2010, 8:32 We don't know which tuning predominated in the circles around Landi

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-15 Thread Monica Hall
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Indeed - he is also having his cake and eating it M --- On Mon, 15/11/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Thanks Stewart. That is an excellent summary overall. In this instance it is the clef (rather than a rubric) which indicates the singer's picth vi-a-vi the bass line. There was a complicated system of transposing clefs - described by Ruiz de Ribayaz after a fashion.They are common in 17th

[VIHUELA] Re: Caccini: Amarilli

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
version with the words only and alfabeto in a manuscript dated 1599 and I want to see if they match up. So when you put your finger on it..you know where to send the info. Regards Monica MH From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Stewart, Thank you for your `insightful comments. Even if we would use guitars in d' or a, so that the alfabeto would suit the bass, we cannot be certain that the instruments were played together. It is not unlikely that the 'alfabeto editor' (perhaps Landi himself) took

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
Even if we would use guitars in d' or a, so that the alfabeto would suit the bass, we cannot be certain that the instruments were played together. I agree. I think it is more likely to be an either/or situation. It is not unlikely that the 'alfabeto editor' (perhaps Landi himself)

[VIHUELA] Re: Caccini: Amarilli

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Caccini: Amarilli Many thanks to you - and Waling. The digital age seems to have arrived as I have been able to download an image straight off. I seem to recall seeing a contemporary version for 5 course guitar but can't put my finger

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi AND RELATED THINGS

2010-11-14 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 14 November, 2010, 14:14 Even if we would use guitars in d

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi AND RELATED THINGS

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
have worked out the correct chords. --- On Sun, 14/11/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Monica Hall
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Lex Eisenhardt Sent: 14 November 2010 11:15 To: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi Dear Stewart, Thank you for your `insightful comments. Even if we would use guitars

[VIHUELA] Re: Stefano Landi

2010-11-14 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Stewart, in response to yours In trying to understand what guitarists did in the past, I just wonder sometimes if try to pin things down too much. We know that some guitars had bourdons, and others didn't. If it really mattered to Landi and others which

[VIHUELA] Re:

2010-11-13 Thread Monica Hall
In Stefano Landi's Quinto Libro D'Arie (1637), a song collection with a basso continuo in staff, inscribed with guitar alfabeto, there are songs which seem to require guitars tuned to different pitches. [1]http://imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/0/0e/IMSLP31545-PMLP71797-Land i_Arie.pdf

[VIHUELA] Re:

2010-11-13 Thread G. Crona
Perhaps someone can explain to me why when one includes web addresses they come up like this with a [1] in front so that you can't just click on them. ___ Monica, site addresses often get cut in mails. The [1] is just a reference number which adds

[VIHUELA] Re:

2010-11-13 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
- once everyone had learned alfabeto in E tuning, it would have been confusing to have to learn it for D tuning again (hence the transposed alfabeto). That would not prevent them from tuning the fifth course down a tone but it would make it difficult to combine a strummed accompaniment

[VIHUELA] Re:

2010-11-13 Thread Monica Hall
Many thanks for that. MOnica - Original Message - From: Eloy Cruz eloyc...@gmail.com To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Dear Monica It's a link to Landi's Quinto libro, in pdf format The link certainly

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-10 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
In your posting with the subject Monopoly you suggested t, hat I was abusing my position as a reviewer for the Lute Society to further a hidden agenda. That is not only impertinent - it is libelous. Two points: 1. The VIHUELA list has proven to be a no-go area for me. The reason is that

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. regards, Martyn , --- On Wed, 10/11/10, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Review To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 10

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-10 Thread Monica Hall
, November 10, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Review Dear Monica and Lex, I've agreed, and disagreed, with both of you over various, and different, issues in the past and so might claim to be reasonably even-handed. Before anyone says anything utterly inexcusable

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-10 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Recently she has indeed accused me here, of having a double agenda. I have no idea what you are referring to. When you make accusations like this you should make it clear what you have in mind. (Monica Hall Mon, 06 Sep 2010 07:06:44 -0700): I am afraid Lex does not know what he is

[VIHUELA] Re: anachonisms

2010-11-09 Thread Monica Hall
And if someone is not intimidated by your flood of thoughtless arguments you start kicking. And so do you. When it comes to kicking you are right up there with the best of them. It's sad It is indeed. MH - Original Message - From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To:

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-09 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
At least this impertinent action makes clear that Monica has a selective memory. After I posted my Bartolotti clips on YouTube she supposed that the twangy basses were caused by wire wound basses. I was flattered by the review, and since the criticism in it is concentrated on

[VIHUELA] Re: Review

2010-11-09 Thread Monica Hall
At least this impertinent action makes clear that Monica has a selective memory. After I posted my Bartolotti clips on YouTube she supposed that the twangy basses were caused by wire wound basses. I think it is you that has the selective memory! What I said was ... I don't know what

[VIHUELA] Re: OT: Baroque Guitar technique

2010-11-09 Thread Monica Hall
: [VIHUELA] Re: OT: Baroque Guitar technique Amazing - that's a colossal amount of editing! But getting back to Suzanne's original question: So my question is this: Is it technically harder for some reason to play contrapuntal style pieces on Baroque guitar than Ren lute? I

[VIHUELA] Re: OT: Baroque Guitar technique

2010-11-07 Thread Monica Hall
Gaspar Sanz: For those who wish to use the guitar to play noisy music, or to accompany the bass of a tono [a vocal work] or sonada, the guitar is better strung with bourdons than without them His examples of basso continuo in tablature are completely without strumming. There are

[VIHUELA] Re: monopoly

2010-11-07 Thread Monica Hall
Regrettably no one else is sufficiently interested in the baroque guitar to want to review them. Think yourself lucky that you have had a lot of free publicity for your views. I don't think that anything that I have said about your own recordings was anything other than fair and on the whole

[VIHUELA] Re: monopoly

2010-11-07 Thread Monica Hall
You say that all the time. I do not dislike any particular harmony, I just don't trust Corbetta's notation. As a performer you can do two things: play what is written, even if you don't see the logic, or try to find out what could be wrong. You seem to trust everyone else's notation

[VIHUELA] Re: Amat

2010-11-05 Thread Monica Hall
Thanks a lot for that. I think that is what this person is looking for. He thought it was a printed copy of Amat's book. It does include extracts from it among other things... If they have got a printed copy as well - I would love to know. Greetings from London - where

[VIHUELA] Re: James' video

2010-10-31 Thread Monica Hall
James was obviously a man of many parts! I just spotted your pictures of the Guitar player on earlyguitar.ning. Meant to check before and forgot. Very interesting! Monica - Original Message - From: Peter Forrester peterforres...@waitrose.com To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent:

[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia

2010-10-30 Thread Azalais
Thank you for the information Monica! Here is a link to the A-R Publications page: [1]https://www.areditions.com/rr/rrb/b167.html Could you tell us if the facsimile pages are at least printed at full size? Look forward to reading your review! Azalais On Sat, Oct 30, 2010

[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia

2010-10-30 Thread Monica Hall
It looks as if it has been slightly enlarged. The measurements of the ms. itself are 24cms x 16.5 cms. - oblong I am mystified as to why it should be so dark. My recollection of the British Library's ms. of Passacalles y obras is that the paper is off white and the text clearly

[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia

2010-10-30 Thread Monica Hall
...@gmail.com To: Vihuela list vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia Dear Monica, thanks a lot for the good news. I wonder why the facsimile is dark; the two pages of the ms reproduced in Vera's Early Music article are certainly

[VIHUELA] Re: Santiago de Murcia

2010-10-30 Thread Eloy Cruz
Dear Edward Thanks a lot for your words; yes, we had a little American tour with Jordi, and the people of NPR made this transatlantic interview. Best eloy El 10/30/10 1:11 PM, Edward Martin e...@gamutstrings.com escribió: Dear Eloy, I heard you 2 days ago, on National Public Radio, in

[VIHUELA] Re: Video

2010-10-29 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Video On 28/10/2010 21:53, Monica Hall wrote: Now for something completely

[VIHUELA] Re: Video

2010-10-28 Thread Monica Hall
Now for something completely different. Check this out now. Apparently dates from 1972 when we were all young and innocent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgCpx8BN78 Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Video

2010-10-28 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 28/10/2010 21:53, Monica Hall wrote: Now for something completely different. Check this out now. Apparently dates from 1972 when we were all young and innocent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZgCpx8BN78 Monica It says 1979. So perhaps 'we' were starting to get old and jaded by

[VIHUELA] Re: 50 Standards

2010-10-20 Thread Monica Hall
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:56 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: 50 Standards I went to the page Monica has linked. In the search box at the top right, I entered 6396 (the catalog no.), and it took me immediately to the page where I could actually order the book. The rest

[VIHUELA] Re: 50 Standards

2010-10-19 Thread michael.f...@notesinc.com
I went to the page Monica has linked. In the search box at the top right, I entered 6396 (the catalog no.), and it took me immediately to the page where I could actually order the book. The rest is history (so to speak). Mike Fink -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-15 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar? Another seller of this, as it seems, with some added bits of information [1][1]http://dulcimershofar.com/Baroque-Guitar-Sellas-5-course-Taylor-p -30 16.html Franz

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-15 Thread Chris Despopoulos
of this Baroque guitar, I think you could find a student model... cud __ From: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net To: vihuela vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 4:40:26 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-15 Thread Stuart Walsh
Could be Vietnamese rather than Pakistani. Last June Jelma Almersfoot gave a link to somewhere here in Britain selling these instruments but the link is now broken. I contacted the company and several phone calls and eleven emails followed. I got the impression that the company (mainly

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-15 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net; vihuela vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar? Could

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-14 Thread RALPH MAIER
Thanks for this. It may be a good opportunity for students to get into it. Anyone tried them yet? Ralph - Original Message - From: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:45 pm Subject: [VIHUELA] Pakistani Baroque Guitar? To:

[VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar?

2010-10-14 Thread Franz Mechsner
RALPH MAIER Gesendet: Fr 15/10/2010 01:05 An: Luca Manassero Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [VIHUELA] Re: Pakistani Baroque Guitar? Thanks for this. It may be a good opportunity for students to get into it. Anyone tried them yet? Ralph - Original

[VIHUELA] Re: 50 Standards

2010-10-12 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Dear List, I’d like to follow up on this to say that this is a wonderful book; my students and I are thrilled with it. Monica is one of the translators, so of course the extensive commentary is a great asset. Jocelyn Jocelyn Nelson, DMA Teaching Assistant Professor 506 School of Music East

[VIHUELA] Re: Domingo Prat's Diccionario de Guitarristas

2010-09-17 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:03:57 -0400 To: Nelson, Jocelyn [2]nels...@ecu.edu Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Domingo Prat's Diccionario de Guitarristas On 16/09/2010 21:54, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Hi Everyone

[VIHUELA] Re: Rondo-Andante for guitar

2010-09-17 Thread Ed Durbrow
This video has been removed by the user. Ah shucks. On Sep 18, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: A short piece by the illustrious Joachim Peter Sautscheck (fl 18th century) lovingly transcribed for five-course guitar by the equally illustrious Antonio da Costa (very

[VIHUELA] Re: Domingo Prat's Diccionario de Guitarristas

2010-09-16 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Hi Everyone, My music librarian is pondering whether to buy this, after receiving a gift copy of the index. I haven't worked with this, but it looks like it would be a good resource. Do others on this list have an opinion? Many thanks, Jocelyn -- Jocelyn Nelson, DMA

[VIHUELA] Re: Domingo Prat's Diccionario de Guitarristas

2010-09-16 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 16/09/2010 21:54, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote: Hi Everyone, My music librarian is pondering whether to buy this, after receiving a gift copy of the index. I haven't worked with this, but it looks like it would be a good resource. Do others on this list have an opinion? Many

[VIHUELA] Re: [Vihuela]Foscarini's notation

2010-09-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play? Thanks for this Stuart. I was rather surprised by Monica; particularly since I've frequently praised her work and we were, so I thought, simply seeking a scholarly explanation to fit all the principal evidence

[VIHUELA] Re: [Vihuela]Foscarini's notation

2010-09-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
him to insert another stroke/slash for the single note. All good stuff - I'm enjoying playing him Martyn --- On Wed, 8/9/10, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: [Vihuela]Foscarini's notation

[VIHUELA] Re: [Vihuela]Foscarini's notation

2010-09-08 Thread Martyn Hodgson
, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [Vihuela]Foscarini's notation To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, 8 September, 2010, 15:43

[VIHUELA] Re: Unisons in Italy was Re: Guitar stringing was Re: Bartolotti Videos performed by Lex Eisenhardt

2010-09-08 Thread John Griffiths
octave doubling was acceptable in the 16th and 17th century. Regards Monica - Original Message - From: Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk To: Vihuelalist [2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Unisons

[VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play?

2010-09-07 Thread Stuart Walsh
, is it? Stuart --- On Mon, 6/9/10, Monica Hallmjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hallmjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Partial strums in Foscarini (was Foscarini/Gallot) To: Martyn Hodgsonhodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalistvihuela

[VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play?

2010-09-07 Thread Martyn Hodgson
: [VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play? To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 7 September, 2010, 10:52 On 07/09/2010 08:33, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Hmmm

[VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play?

2010-09-07 Thread Stuart Walsh
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Why two notations for the same play? To: Stuart Walsh [5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson [6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Monica Hall [7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk, Vihuelalist [8]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, 7 September, 2010, 13:37

[VIHUELA] Re: Partial strums in Foscarini (was Foscarini/Gallot)

2010-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
If you are saying that as a general principal you might not always include all 5 courses in a chord when repeating it on the upstroke then I have no problem with that. However when Foscarini puts a stroke mark under a single figure following a chord or in between two chords I think he has

[VIHUELA] Re: Partial strums in Foscarini (was Foscarini/Gallot)

2010-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Partial strums in Foscarini (was Foscarini/Gallot) Well You've given

[VIHUELA] Re: Castaldi

2010-09-05 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Well, it was said rather tongue in cheek - sorry it wasn't more obvious. But as a theorbo player myself (most of my professional engagements are with theorbo) I think I can see both sides of Castaldi's comment.. What I don't understand is your comment about 'personal fights

[VIHUELA] Re: stringing and performance - More objections

2010-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: stringing and performance To: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 3 September, 2010, 12:23 The strict application of Foscarini's fourth

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