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Excerpts from Антон Кочков's message of Sat Jul 27 11:42:14 + 2013:
Why not use Cello library? It have containers, first class functions, etc
http://libcello.org/
And it is C only.
But it does not get the task done I talked about: type safe container
like stuff.
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Who would test?
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If somebody knowing vim better than I do could comment on the needs
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I'd also like to see at least 5 people wanting this to be fixed.
We're two now.
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IMHO the first step is to find out what Vim and its community should be
tomorrow, then documend and move forward. People will join and help
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-manager-known-repositories)
- my vim wiki (based on git)
It would be nicer if this all would be integrated in a central place.
PS: Ich glaube wir können auch deutsch sprechen, oder?
Not when sending to vim_dev
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to disagree.
If you don't receive much feedback I'll try the kickstarter project
adding features I think are most useful to start with.
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Excerpts from tux.'s message of Mon Nov 25 16:54:11 +0100 2013:
Marc Weber schrob am Montag, 25. November 2013 um 14:26 Zeit:
- focus on productivity
That's what Vim does.
Let me give you a use case: Integrating 'sbt' into Vim.
sbt is the simple build tool for scala. It takes quite long
code
meanswhile, then continue (eg at i=500) feels wrong to me.
I really wonder why we don't set nocompatible by default.
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Excerpts from 王璐's message of Thu Dec 12 14:20:31 +0100 2013:
Please visit: http://coolwanglu.github.io/vim.js/web/vim.html
Added your link to my wiki, I keep pressing ctrl-w :/
It would be very cool if we could turn this into a browser plugin.
Too much to do right now.
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such as jedit, Vim, Emacs - it does take quite a while.
Yours
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debugging if none of the plugins suite your needs.
Here are some tips to look for plugins (I guess you know about them)
http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki/topic/finding-a-vim-plugin.html
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I've documented both: http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki/languages/latex.html
This case alone should be a hint why a maintained wiki is valuable to
all, please join !
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And that is to be fixed, too (IMHO)
At the moment I don't have time to think about all this - there is more
important work to be done for me.
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have a log to review (the way it is now) - and you would not know when
Vim is done.
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that writing a new editor will take a lot of time.
Have a look at history of either Vim, Emacs, jedit, ...
We're talking about a couple of years eventually.
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about npackd.
Look: VAM already has everything you need. You can even download plugins
for Windowns with dependencies:
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I care about ending the duplication of work for the didn't know about
it reason.
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I don't want to rewrite github, but having a code search feature would
be nice.
And there is a last thing to discuss: Does having a single name for
projets make sense? That's what VAM-kr does provide, too.
Does this make sense?
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http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki//topic/vipi.html
Can we collect wishes/features we want here on this page ? thanks.
Then we should just get it done this time.
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package sources in
your .vimrc and be done.
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Excerpts from ZyX's message of Fri Jan 03 00:51:55 +0100 2014:
I meant for the web downloader, where does that come from? I assume always
from git.
What web downloader?
vam.mawercer.de That basically runs VAM install on my v-server and zips
the result.
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require introducing threading etc - and
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- unless they start using ~/.vim/runtime. Eventually we could
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instead of the globally installed one - this would be somewhat
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Does this make sense?
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important?
- what about 0 bytes in strings (viml)?
Yes - xdebug does uses them in its protocol.
My workaround was to encode ab\0c as [ab, c]
- ..
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(but without proof yet)
Also speaking about VIM doesn't make sense - having some important Vim
features would be enough, but that would be hard to understand which of
those features are important.
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If you want to continue this script consider joining
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We have quite a lot of discussions going on about how to move into the
future.
If you happen to use Win one day you may want to try http://vam.mawercer.de/.
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so I does anybody mind me implementing those small changes?
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be pointed to:
http://vim-wiki.mawercer.de/wiki/topic/text-snippets-skeletons-templates.html
which should provide a nice overview (the more people join, the more
comprehensive it'll get)
Of course you can do whatever you want - its only my point of view (as
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2: robhudson
install/management methods and use
what works best for you.
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A really great example is haskell.org - they got a lot right about
directing users to what is important (IMHO).
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split community too
much.
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- you failed from the
beginning IMHO.
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funding) / and programmers saying for this money I'll get the
job done.
Then we'll have a healthy community (IMHO).
Again - you are free to think differently.
I'm pretty sure that tarruda will break a lot of things (by accident).
But there is still a chance for paying off in the long run.
Marc Weber
Its time to think about this *now*. If there are people on the
mailinglist who think they know better than tarruda does - they should
talk to him. He is listening.
again - my 2 cents
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IMHO.
So there is not too much risk (not much more than has been in the past -
I mean Yzis was a serious fork, neovim is another one happening right
now)
(As always its just my limited view)
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clean up, that you have your settings.
With tools like expect or screen it should be even possible to automate
that.
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it does not JIT - and that
there are specialized languages to perform will for such use cases.
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versions.
Having nice python support should be a higher priority.
Because scripting support differing from VimL may have an positive
effect on Vim's future IMHO.
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-known-repositories
(which also contains a full list of all scripts @ www.vim.org, but
withhout description).
If nothing happens till tomorrow I'll try to find different ways to
fix this.
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still like to wait for staff to reply
before setting up such a change permanently.
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google (which may also run some post requests,
usually based on JS init scripts)
I hope this makes www.vim.org a lot more bot proof now.
The implementation can be found in the datab*.inc file.
Maybe its not the right place, but it should work.
There have been too many issues lately.
Marc Weber
This still does not protect agains resource exhaustion (mysql users
exceeded - which appened). There are modules for apache to prevent
excessive site usage by bot like attacks. Maybe we should propose
sourcreforge to set them up?
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against attacks in these cases.. Because we don't want to delete
that many scripts and user accounts.
I hope vim.sf.net is much safer now. I don't have any additional ideas.
So let me know whether you think these changes are appropriate.
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Do you remember which one was hit? The message should have told you.
Eventually we should allow more operations.
In any case - do you have any idea why why I can't upload is shown
that often :) ?
Sincerly
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a next_sign_id() function returning a new unused id ?
A simple counter should be enough. The perfect fix would be dropping the
old api, only allowing a new one place_sign() returning an id - but that
would break scripts.
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let my_sign_id = new_sign_id()
use 'exec sign place '.my_sign_id.'
Introducing such a function is simple, and would us all allow to fix
plugins eventually ..
Just a thought, maybe Bram finds time to add such trivial function.
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RegexTests [¤\|\Z] [a]
Tested with version: Included patches: 1-981
I'm not sure what is influencing vim's utf-8 handling?
I have encoding=utf-8 set.
client-server communication fails every 500 times or so - no bytes
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but I'd prefer a global solution usable by everyone.
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oh and it would be cool if python/*.py files could be loaded then, too ?
Did I also miss such feature proposal?
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I fixed \F yesterday. Hmm, but you say you include patch 981.
What is the Vim command to reproduce this?
[1]
let reg = 'ú\Z'
let t =
echo matchlist('\%#=1'.reg, t)
echo matchlist('\%#=2'.reg, t)
Isn't this the same for the old and the new engine?
right, I can no loger
/tmp/new-lines, open a file, stop by
ctrl-c. Repeat piping into new-lines2, then use diff or uniq -c or such
to find out which code gets executed more and more times?
I hope those hints are useful to you.
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nice a fit.
Thoughts?
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As I've said: having vim read plugin/*.vim files and adding some
runtimepath/python-lib dir if it exists to sys.dir would be genious.
Then people could use plugin/plugin.py only and have it lazily load its
code using import
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runs are 10 sec most of
the time, so I guess that re=1 vs re=2 is representative for your cases.
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pcre support?
It shouldn't be too hard to translate Vim regular expressions to pcre
syntax before compiling.
Why should we continue spending time on maintaining this ourselves?
I haven't looked at all details but I think adding pcre support is
straight forward.
Thoughts?
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The reason is quite simple - there are so many different ways to build -
and reconfiguring takes a lot of time.
cmake supports out of source builds - thus you can build mutliple
configurations at the same time easily.
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for this case:
py vim.current.buffer.append([], 1)
if the list is non empty no error happens. Passing an empty list should
be a nop.
py3 does not show this error.
No idea how easy it is to fix.
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that VAM works around it
- also allow minimal solutions to work, patch Vim
Is this something we want to be fixed?
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the after/ftplugin case, nobody reported this
to be an issue yet)
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I'd like to remind about the vim-nox patch:
https://code.google.com/r/yukihironakadaira-vim-cmdsrv-nox/
It provides a client-server implementation based on sockets (no X required)
Are there people interested in it other than me?
Does it make sense to think about including it in 7.4?
Marc
to ftdetect
Got it?
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its not.
I should have known it - but didn't see it.
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them appearing ..
ZyX has contributed at least approx 1000 of those - I've no idea how
many of those are widely used.
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choosing sane defaults for mappings, commands and menu items.
So if you propose a standard, we could start by writing the 'perfect
sample plugin' people can clone.
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the cmake implementation for now.
Enjoy
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be much
more fun.
I dont' know exactly which patches are pending, that's why I'm asking
this way whether anybody is already working on those features?
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written in C++ trying to get
things right. However they ditched VimL, using lua only.
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depending on 'pythonx' setting.
- adds some of the commands to python.vim syntax file
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if both implementation support the same interface you can continue using
pyx for all of your mappings without this if has(..) else do the same
nonsense.
I agree that this only makes sense using python 2.6,2.7 or newer which I
think is very common today.
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module which can be loaded improving compatibility:
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However I never used such.
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, comment code and
get things done?
So what about using an github based mirror? Who else would be interested
in it?
The mailinglist is not appropriate, because its hard to keep track of
patches/ideas
- to be discussed
- to be reviewed
- closed (merged, rejected?)
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links:
[pbranch]: http
/vim74/improving-python-support-drafts.html
And I'd like to integrate the drafts you've written earlier. Can you
tell me which is the most up to date information I should be working
with?
Next thing which is important to me is being able to use ctrl-c to abort
a python script.
Marc Weber
how to format Vim's C code properly?
Eg os_unix.c contains a line 1439 like this:
return TRUE; /* exit! */
4 tabs, one space, then return TRUE
If you want contributors to do the right thing document it briefly.
Marc Weber
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However I fail to catch ctrl-c after :py and in console.
Does somebody just know what I'm still missing?
Marc Weber
== simple test case
#include Python.h
#include stdio.h
// #include stdlib.h
#include signal.h
void siginthandler(int param)
{
// PyErr_SetNone
adding 5-10 lines to the REDAME will help everybody -
and make things clear. Then people can refer to that one short guide.
Even better add a source-me.vim ensuring settings are correct and be
done.
I also know that I'm retarted. Hoping that I can still provide some
value by contributing :)
Marc
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Even if I resubmitted an up to date patch - it would be harder for
others to keep track of it IMHO.
And of course it looks like only me having those problems - and those
knowing github having replied with +1 (I think)
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.
If import hooks work implement it that way. The reason is that its more
likely that one plugin can use modules of another plugin without having
to load it first.
Some plugins may actually be python libraries only.
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like to document whatever the result will be in about 2 weeks and
make it official if nobody objects.
This will not be a you must follow this - it will just be a
recommendation which we document officially.
Marc Weber
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would have a chance to notice when it gets reloaded /
updated. That could be nice when developing a plugin.
Marc Weber
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more often :/
(I'm not talking about changing the
official repository. I'm only talking about preparing patches)
Me too. Well - finally it'll be Bram reviewing and merging patches.
No doubt. Everything else would be a fork of Vim.
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, too.
Being 100% backward compatible would require duplicating all
commands/functions/..
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aware of that
difference.
If you have arguments for one or the other solution then just edit that
wiki file.
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access to all the
supported software (operating systems).
So in fact I cannot start implementing any thread support without
running huge risks for others.
Thoughts ? Ideas? Who else wants to see more threading capabilities in
Vim?
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