you know what? I have some cheese (extra sharp cheddar) to go with that whine.
:)
Normally, I don't post much as I am a fast learner. However, today I got
saddled with several problems demanding a priority all at the same time.
How I long for the days when programs had to be tight and debugging
It's kinda stupid that all I'm reading on this list is people crying about
Apple forcing people to upgrade to iOS7. Get over it. Seriously! If you don't
like how Apple does things, then go to Android. As for me, I love iOS7 and I
haven't ran into any of the bugs that people speak of on this list
I tried finding it in the settings for the app itself on the phone. Looks like
I will have to go into the desktop app to change this.
-eric
On Sep 28, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you
> plug it in. You can swit
In your phone settings in Itunes, there's a setting to open Itunes when you
plug it in. You can switch this off. I'm not quite sure where this setting is;
either in the device scroll area or preferences for the desktop version..
HtH,
Teresa
On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:24 AM, eric oyen wrote:
> The
s of
> study in the social sciences.
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Chittenden"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
>
>
> Considering that
September 28, 2013 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised
by the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was
publicised as something like, Apple is now maki
The download in the background feature isn't a problem for me. I limit the
phones data to available wi-fi only.
What pisses me off is that itunes won't go away when I plug the phone into my
macbook. It pops up a dialog asking if I want to update my iPhone. I check the
box "don't ask again" and
Actually, this specifically fits into Apple's policy of It Just Works. The new
iOS is downloaded for you, no muss, no fuss, in the background, whilst the unit
is locked, plugged in, and on a wifi network. Therefore, you do not need to
worry about such things as how often should you check for upd
or not
>>>>>> supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old software.
>>>>>> Also most apps have been updated to work with IOS 7. Finally if you
>>>>>> consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part exists
>>&
Considering that this feature has been in place since iOS 5, I am surprised by
the vitriolic responses. When Apple first added this feature, it was publicised
as something like, Apple is now making it much easier for users to upgrade
their iPhones.
Well, these responses demonstrate very well ho
On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, I just have a complain about Ios 7. It makes my iPhone 4, a old iPhone
of 16Gb, a little
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not
necessarily download in one
zel"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Mary and others,
I didn't even know about the claim you can't edit first and last name.
So, I
just tried it and yes, it app
every body who uses Ios 7.
- Original Message -
From: "Sieghard Weitzel"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:08 PM
Subject: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi Mary and others,
I didn't even know about
stress of change.
Joseph
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Davert"
To:
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: About iOS 7, is it really so bad? was: Apple now forcing iOS 6
holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
HI all.
I'm not upgrading my phone to iOS 7 because, as pri
nt: Friday, September 27, 2013 1:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Raul.
You ask
Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
> also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
&
Hi Mary,
I will be the first to say their are bugs. But I honestly don’t think there is
anymore or any less bugs than what is usually found in the first release of any
major IOS update. 95% of the time, at least for me, IOS 7 does indeed just
work. I admit, I’m not a Braille user, so I can’t
Hi, Ricardo.
I am sorry to contradict but, respectfully, your examples aren’t
analogous at all. What Apple is doing here is changing the
functionality of already released products by reducing the space
available on already released devices and, incidentally, consuming
user bandwidth without
Hi, Raul.
You ask
Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
> also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
> without your permission?
I certainly do, I use Windows and Microsoft is well-known for beta
testing their updates on the unfortunate user
Hi, David.
You write
> When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not
> necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the
> download in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download.
> As I understand, the upgrade download also only occu
Hi, Mary.
I use a bluetooth streamer to hearing aids as well as a braille
display. The fact that my hearing fluctuates often makes it easier to
use braille and leave my ears open for environmental sounds. In iOS 6,
the voiceover sounds would come through the streamer, activating it
and switching me
HI all.
I'm not upgrading my phone to iOS 7 because, as primarily a braille
user, I find the bugs I have been working with on my iPod 5 things
that I do not wish to deal with on the device I use all the time.
Certainly, things like iTunes radio are fantastic, but things like the
onscreen keyboard g
Hi Mary and others,
I didn't even know about the claim you can't edit first and last name. So, I
just tried it and yes, it appears that once I double tap on First or Last
Name, I can't flick up and down with rotor set to characters and review the
name. However, I just tried the Delete key and I co
It's not 3 gigs. It's actually 1.2 gigs.
I can see why folks wit 16 GB phones would bee upset with the exxtra space
being ttaken up by the upgrade file. Fortunately, I made sure to secure a
device with more storage.
Sent from my iPad Mini
> On Sep 26, 2013, at 2:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
One of the ways Apple ensures the best possible user experience is to
push out the latest and greatest software, with all of the security
fixes, and makes it as easy as possible for all users to install it.
This is also how Apple reduces fragmentation. I think this is the exact
opposite of how
I'm probably in the minority here, but, yes, I do have my macs set this
way and when I had pcs, I did the same. I would prefer my computers not
to download anything without me knowing about it. Of course, with power
comes responsibility, if you set your computer this way, you must
remember to c
Um, it takes away from available space on the device? Which can pose a problem
if you are limited on space anway.
From: Wil James
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
As far as I can
lease hits the
download servers.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Dan Murphy
Sent: September 26, 2013 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iO
m] On Behalf
Of Wil James
Sent: September 26, 2013 12:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
As far as I can remember, Apple has always downloaded the update and left
the option of installing to the user. Personally, I see nothing wrong wi
t; tcors...@cfl.rr.com
>
> From: Crystal French
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
>
> Well, I am still using IO’s 6 on my iPhone 4.
>
> I am going to b
Well, it seems to me that the bugs in contacts where you can't edit the first
or last name of a contact are in and of themselves serious enough to warrant
not upgrading. And as somebody with a 32 GB model who doesn't have all that
much space left, I really don't want this 3 GB worth of download
I'm on,
I couldn't agree with you more. I am curious what the big feature in iOS 7 is
that convinced you to upgrade.
I myself have not upgraded I don't want to upgrade right now. I have a less
buggy iOS 6 that works for me. And I am so angry at Apple that if I didn't
dislike android so much, thi
you
>>>>> consider the traffic regarding bugs and questions a large part exists
>>>>> because people don't read others email which has already answered
>>>>> their question. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want to update since
>>>>
Raul,
There is a huge difference when you're looking at a 32 or 16 GB I device versus
a Windows or a Mac PC with many many megabytes gigabytes or even maybe
terabytes of space. This is just wrong. I have 4 GB left on my iPhone. And when
this unwanted download comes on, it's going to leave me wi
Hi, unfortunately the bigger increase of messages is simply that most of
the time people don't read the answers to a question and ask the same
question again, or several people answer the same question because they
didn't read ahead to see if it had already been answered.
--
Raul A. Gallegos
I
sage-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I would be willing to bet an extremely large amoun
store my life on my
iPhone, so eh.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: September 27, 2013 5:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well that's it you
Well that's it you see and something I never thought about. It's a kin
for Mac and Windows updates being pushed out to respected users.
christopher...@gmail.com
On 27/09/2013 03:14, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
also disable you
hone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I would be willing to bet an extremely large amount of money that this is
incorrect. Have
Folks folks, do you all who are upset about the iOS 7 being downloaded
also disable your Mac or Windows updates so they are not downloaded
without your permission? What about those who are more technically
challenged and would welcome this because it makes the process easier?
--
Raul A. Galleg
I'm the only one in my family that has a 4s, the rest have 4, and ios7 is
working fine on their 4 phones as far as I know.
- Original Message -
From: "Gadget Girl"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade
georgiou"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for not
supporting Windows XP in the next few months or other old software.
Also most apps have been updated
- Original Message -
From: "John Diakogeorgiou"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I agree with Ricardo. I don't hear people bashing Microsoft for not
supporting Windows XP in the next few mont
When the device is downloading the update in the background, it does not
necessarily download in one massive spirt. Instead, it breaks up the download
in to small bits and can take up to days to complete the download. As I
understand, the upgrade download also only occurs when the iDevice is plu
Yes, you should do exactly that. You could go to Android, where updates do not
happen very often, carriers have much more control, there are significantly
more malware, TalkBack has much less braille support, and so on. Or, you could
go to Nokia Windows Phone where accessibility does not even ex
gt; -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
>
> I
viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris H
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
>
> And thank you for the clarification. At least one is n
and it may just keep re-appearing. wouldn't surprise me.
At 02:43 PM 9/26/2013, you wrote:
I suppose one could try resetting the device, then disabling
automatic downloads and restoring from last backup?
I'm puzzled how little info is available on this. I certainly
wouldn't be happy about mor
choice. As buyers, we reserve the right to by something else next time.
Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Wendy Alling"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:22 PM
Subject: RE: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Apple is not automatically downloading and
wrote:
>>>>> Nicely done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. Life is
>>>>> life
>>>>>
>>>>> & we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do by
>>>>> Apple, the
ber 26, 2013 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this
> all the time. For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS? You
> have to at l
ckle
things at the best of times, they can't afford to be too complacent about
it.
Rh.
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Chaltain"
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Quite a few peopl
Ok, accepted; but we don't have to like it, so I don't.
- Original Message -
From: "Ricardo Walker"
To: "viphone"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi,
Not trying to be confron
amp; we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do by
Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
- Original Message -----
From: "Ricardo Walker"
To: "viphone"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
Subject: Re: Apple now fo
Hi. I spent some time with an AT&T representative debating on whether to
upgrade my for S to the iOS seven operating system. The representative said,
in all honesty, it will run fine on an iPhone 4S but not on the iPhone 4.
Regards,
Anita
also known as "Gadget Girl". Sent via my Apple gadg
I thought 50% was kind of high too. The only app I'm really having
problems with is Feeddler. It's still usable, but the intermittent focus
change makes it less efficient to keep up with my news feeds.
On 09/26/2013 01:10 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
50%?
That’s sounds like a pretty large number
done Mr. Walker... Couldn't have said it better myself. Life is life
>>>
>>> & we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do by
>>> Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
>>> - Original Mess
sday, September 26, 2013 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
You can hold out as long as you see fit. The upgrade is downloaded, not
installed. If you can live with thee update on your phone ready to install,
I don't see
Well, I'm not sure Apple is pushing this image out over cellular. I
wouldn't be surprised if this is only getting pushed out over wifi and
even then when the phone is locked and plugged in.
Apple is all about preserving the customer experience. This is why you
have to use Apple approved periph
-- Original Message -
From: "Ricardo Walker"
To: "viphone"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi,
Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this
all the time. For exam
wanted to install it or not. That is your choice. .
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to
fe is life
>
> & we've gotta live it. We'll be forced to do things we don't want to do by
> Apple, the Government, Microsoft, our neighborhoods, etc.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ricardo Walker"
> To: "viphone"
> Sent: Thursday,
t;
To: "viphone"
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 15:10
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi,
Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this
all the time. For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS? You
ha
Hi,
Not trying to be confrontational but, people force you to do stuff like this
all the time. For example, if you want IOS 7 but have an iPhone 3GS? You have
to at least get your hands on an iPhone 4. You might love your phone but, you
want that new update so you get a new phone.
Or how ab
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I suppose one could try resetting the device, then disabling automatic
downloads and restoring from last backup?
I'm puzzled how little info is available on
Okay so I had a knee jerk reaction, grin; I take some of it back, I
won't give up my idevices. I still think it's wrong though.
Patti
On 9/26/2013 2:21 PM, Chris H wrote:
Ok all I will take back most of what i said and absolutely agree with
all reasons since they are valid. At the time I didn
I suppose one could try resetting the device, then disabling automatic
downloads and restoring from last backup?
I'm puzzled how little info is available on this. I certainly wouldn't be happy
about more gigs that I had no need for taking up space on my iThingy. On the
face of it, it looks alar
And thank you for the clarification. At least one is not forced into iOS
7 in a way, since the update is only downloaded not installed.
On 26/09/2013 16:51, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
Hi,
Having investigated some more since I last posted, what's actually
happening is iOS7 is being downloaded, but
I agree, this is absolutely not right. Nobody makes me do anything I
dont' want to do, especially something like this.
If this kind of dictitorial behavior keeps up I'm going to get rid of my
phone.
Patti
On 9/26/2013 11:45 AM, Regina Alvarado wrote:
If this is true, there are going to be some
I'm still searching for a way to remove the download file. i have IoS 7, but
I'm curious. I haven't found any solutions on google as of yet.
Teresa
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Ok all I will take back most of what i said and absolutely agree with
all reasons since they are valid. At the time I didn't put this into
consideration so apologies for that, necessary or otherwise. Yes I think
it's wrong now for Apple to do this and they should consider those who
are in the b
50%?
That’s sounds like a pretty large number. I mean, it’s not like app developers
didn’t know IOS was coming. out of the 90 apps I have on my phone, I can’t
think of more than 3 that haven’t been updated to work with IOS 7 or, just
don’t work with IOS 7. Of course, I don’t know what kind o
right now, I won't upgrade because at least 50% of my apps will not be properly
accessible with 7. Until that changes, I will leave it at 6.1 for the
foreseeable future.
-eric
On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
> Hi, Chris and all.
> I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with wha
vices that haven't
updated yet.
-Original Message-
From: Aman Singer
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Hi, Chris and all.
I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say b
Hi, Chris and all.
I would, Chris, respectfully disagree with what you say below. I
neither like nor dislike change, but like change for the better and
dislike change for the worse. I have upgraded to iOS 7 because it has
one absolutely earthshaking feature which makes my use allot easier
than it w
rehensibly, IMO.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't understand the
lf
Of Wil James
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
You can hold out as long as you see fit. The upgrade is downloaded, not
installed. If you can live with thee update on your phone ready to in
IMO.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris H
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a
I don't understand the hold out either and actually think this is a good
move on Apple's part. I know iOS 7 contain bugs, but all initial
releases of software, regardless of platform, will have bugs. They will
only improve not worsen over time. I have a few bugs myself in iOS 7 but
I cope with
happens.
Donna
tcors...@cfl.rr.com
From: Crystal French
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
Well, I am still using IO’s 6 on my iPhone 4.
I am going to be getting the 5s, but hesitate to update
: Regina Alvarado
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple now forcing iOS 6 holdouts to upgrade to iOS 7.
If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is not
right in my opinion.
reggie and Allegra
On Sep 26
Hi,
Having investigated some more since I last posted, what's actually
happening is iOS7 is being downloaded, but it's not being installed.
As a jailbroken user, once it downloads, I will simply delete the file
to reclaim my disk space and then make some modifications to prevent
it being downloade
If this is true, there are going to be some court challenges I bet. This is not
right in my opinion.
reggie and Allegra
On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hello,
For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come
with some bad news.
According to an
I would be willing to bet an extremely large amount of money that this
is incorrect. Have you found any other sources that are confirming
this information?
Cheers,
Ben.
On 9/26/13, Daniel Miller wrote:
> That is incorrect, since the disk space is used by iOS 7.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Se
That is incorrect, since the disk space is used by iOS 7.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:19 AM, John Diakogeorgiou
> wrote:
>
> I'd be curious to know if anyone on this list experiences this. I
> would also assume that you could easily reclaim the disk space lost.
>
>> On 9/26/1
I'd be curious to know if anyone on this list experiences this. I
would also assume that you could easily reclaim the disk space lost.
On 9/26/13, Daniel Miller wrote:
> Hello,
>
> For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come
> with some bad news.
> According to an
Hello,
For those of you who want/need to stay on iOS 6 for whatever reason, I come
with some bad news.
According to an article I’ll link to below, Apple is pushing the OTA update to
7 automatically to devices that don’t have 7 installed yet, with no user
consent, and no way to reclaim the lost
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