Re: Apple would be stupid to drop the iPhone headphone jack

[Brett]

Hi, 

According to the article I read, their reasoning is that they want to make the 
next iPhone 1 mm thinner.  Personally, I don't think this would be a good idea. 
It would probably push a lot of sighted people onto the android platform.

Cheers, 
Brett.  

Sent from Brett's iPhone

> On 2 Dec 2015, at 5:33 AM, Monica Jones  wrote:
> 
> It's strange to think that they would even consider removing the headphone 
> jack. I hadn't heard this. What is their reasoning?
> I will read this.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mary Otten
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> Subject: Apple would be stupid to drop the iPhone headphone jack
> 
> Here is an Apple fan publication  that agrees with us about the dropping of 
> the headphone jack.
> 
> http://www.cultofmac.com/33/apple-would-be-stupid-to-drop-the-iphone-headphone-jack/
> 
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Downcast major problem!

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello,
I downloaded the update to Downcast yesterday, and now nothing will play.  Not 
old episodes that I was saving, and not new episodes that I just downloaded.
I have tried taking downcast out of the app switcher and restarting my phone, 
but nothing has helped.

Since I download my podcast to my device, I really do not want to delete the 
app because I do not want to lose all of the episodes that I am saving.
Does anyone have any suggestions, or know of a way that I can delete and 
reinstall the app without losing all of the episodes I have currently saved.

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Thanks,

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An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

[Arnold Schmidt]

A partially sighted coworker wants to know if there is a way she can use her 
iPhone like a CCTV, in that she wants either to take a picture of a document 
and have it magnified so she can read it from the screen.  Or, just have the 
camera focus on the document and magnify it, as does a CCTV.  I told her I 
thought this was possible, but I wasn't sure.  She is not wanting OCR, just to 
magnify the document.  Is this possible, either with the iPhone itself, or with 
an app, and if so, what is the name of the app?  Thanks in advance for any 
information.

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RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)]

Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. Is 
it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone jack? 
Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive messages 
in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my sighted peers. 
They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re doing. I know I’m 
preaching to the choir.

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Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
proactive.
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> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
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> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
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> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
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Re: Cannot delete text or email messages

[joseph hudson]

Hello, you might want to try turning your router to actions, and then flicked 
down Wall in messages. And the same for emails.
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> On Dec 1, 2015, at 11:03 AM, DJ Reese  wrote:
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> Hello list:
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> Got a iPhone 6 and a iPhone 6 plus running the latest IOS 9.1.  On the 
> IPhone 6 I'm able to delete text messages and emails with the swipe 1 finger 
> down jester.  However, same doesn't work on the iPhone 6 plus.  Any ideas or 
> setting I need to change on the plus in order to get this feature to work as 
> it should.  Thanks in advance.
> 
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Re: EJust added outlook to my phone and have some questions about email sorry can't get to the body of the email so how do I do that. Thanks. God bless, Wren Langley

[joseph hudson]

Hello, when composing a message you should be able to swipe right and that 
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RE: Downcast major problem!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi, I oupdated Downcast earlier today. I went in to check after reading your 
message, and it seemed to work fine for me, playing previously downloaded 
episodes of a podcast.

Hope you get it fixed. Keith

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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:34 PM
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Subject: Downcast major problem!



Hello,
I downloaded the update to Downcast yesterday, and now nothing will play.  Not 
old episodes that I was saving, and not new episodes that I just downloaded.
I have tried taking downcast out of the app switcher and restarting my phone, 
but nothing has helped.

Since I download my podcast to my device, I really do not want to delete the 
app because I do not want to lose all of the episodes that I am saving.
Does anyone have any suggestions, or know of a way that I can delete and 
reinstall the app without losing all of the episodes I have currently saved.

I did send an email to the developer explaining the problem that has occurred, 
but have not heard anything back.

Thanks,

Chris

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Re: Downcast major problem!

[Gary]

I have my phone to auto update, and I’m experiencing the same problem of my 
podcasts not playing.
Gary

On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:

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> 
> Hello,
> I downloaded the update to Downcast yesterday, and now nothing will play.  
> Not old episodes that I was saving, and not new episodes that I just 
> downloaded.
> I have tried taking downcast out of the app switcher and restarting my phone, 
> but nothing has helped.
> 
> Since I download my podcast to my device, I really do not want to delete the 
> app because I do not want to lose all of the episodes that I am saving.
> Does anyone have any suggestions, or know of a way that I can delete and 
> reinstall the app without losing all of the episodes I have currently saved.
> 
> I did send an email to the developer explaining the problem that has 
> occurred, but have not heard anything back.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
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Re: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

[Dan Rathburn]

You might have her try a magnifier app called Visor from the app store.  It's 
free.

Regards,

Dan





From: Arnold Schmidt 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?


A partially sighted coworker wants to know if there is a way she can use her 
iPhone like a CCTV, in that she wants either to take a picture of a document 
and have it magnified so she can read it from the screen.  Or, just have the 
camera focus on the document and magnify it, as does a CCTV.  I told her I 
thought this was possible, but I wasn't sure.  She is not wanting OCR, just to 
magnify the document.  Is this possible, either with the iPhone itself, or with 
an app, and if so, what is the name of the app?  Thanks in advance for any 
information.

Arnold Schmidt 

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RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

I hope everyone who doesn’t like this prospect drop Apple a note.

I usually send it to  accessibil...@apple.com, 
and ask them to forward it to the people at Apple who need to hear the message.

Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

I feel strongly enough about this that the IPhone 6 could be my last IPhone. I 
absolutely refuse to use BT headphones because I dislike the sound and the 
hesitation when using anything BT. I have Sony headphones with retractable 
cords and fit over the top of my ears and the sound is terrific. I also have a 
Bose headset for times when I need to be able to answer the phone or control 
music, etc. without taking the phone out of my pocket. I actually prefer 
holding my old IPhone 4 because I like the size and even the thicker shape. I 
find it easier to hold on to without the need of any sort of case.
If Apple wanted to offer the phone with or without the headphone jack that 
would be great for those who prefer it without. But eliminating the jack and 
forcing you to use a stupid adapter would be, in my opinion, very foolish of 
them.
Marie


From: Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.
I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.


I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story 

Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Marie]

I feel strongly enough about this that the IPhone 6 could be my last IPhone. I 
absolutely refuse to use BT headphones because I dislike the sound and the 
hesitation when using anything BT. I have Sony headphones with retractable 
cords and fit over the top of my ears and the sound is terrific. I also have a 
Bose headset for times when I need to be able to answer the phone or control 
music, etc. without taking the phone out of my pocket. I actually prefer 
holding my old IPhone 4 because I like the size and even the thicker shape. I 
find it easier to hold on to without the need of any sort of case.
If Apple wanted to offer the phone with or without the headphone jack that 
would be great for those who prefer it without. But eliminating the jack and 
forcing you to use a stupid adapter would be, in my opinion, very foolish of 
them.
Marie


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets. 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with 

RE: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

[Cristóbal]

I would have to imagine that this can be done to some extent with the regular 
zoom in/out features of the phone without the need of third party apps. Not to 
mention the actual zoom accessibility features themselves.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

 

A partially sighted coworker wants to know if there is a way she can use her 
iPhone like a CCTV, in that she wants either to take a picture of a document 
and have it magnified so she can read it from the screen.  Or, just have the 
camera focus on the document and magnify it, as does a CCTV.  I told her I 
thought this was possible, but I wasn't sure.  She is not wanting OCR, just to 
magnify the document.  Is this possible, either with the iPhone itself, or with 
an app, and if so, what is the name of the app?  Thanks in advance for any 
information.

 

Arnold Schmidt 

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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Marshall;

You’re not stupid! :) That’s a great question.

My point is really that rather than us waiting for more news on things or 
wishing that something would work for us, that we simply take the first step 
and really go ahead and start a friendly dialogue with anyone we may know 
between us and that which we are working toward.

In regard to Apple, we have an email address and a phone number. Some of us 
have other connections as well. Use these. That’s all.

For Android and other companies, just take the step to find their contact 
details and go ahead and follow that. You will find that there are people who 
will listen.

It does not mean we need to fight or be confrontational. There are many people 
in these tech companies as well as small developers alike who are really 
interested in what we have to say.

Our job I feel very strongly now, is really to come together and lend our 
voices, not as iPhone users or Android users, not as Mac users or Windows 
users, but just as customers who really rely on all of these various 
technologies (and more) to have a good quality of life or very much enhance or 
improve our lives..

So many times, we wish that something was accessible and so many of us just 
stay at that point, (I’ve done it myself) when really what would help would be 
just to add your voice to the mix. Even just one comment, question or tweet can 
really make a difference because it may start a ball rolling somewhere that you 
may not even know about.

We have almost two thousand five hundred people here on this list alone. While 
that’s not many in the grand scheme of the entire world population, it sure is 
a lot when it comes to a company receiving emails or phone calls or tweets.

If you were to receive even a thousand emails in a week, all commenting on or 
asking for the same thing, I guarantee you you would sit up and take notice.

I am on this journey right along with you and everyone else here. So while I 
may not personally have every answer we need, I am absolutely confident beyond 
any doubt that we can do more now to really assure that our voices be heard and 
that we take that extra step to do all we can to make the technology we need 
accessible or to make sure it stays usable and beneficial for us.

As has already been said here, if the touch tone bug had happened to the 
sighted market, there would have been nothing short of outrage. -But you know 
that that kind of bug would never have happened to sighted purchasers of the 
iPhone. So my point is that while yes, we need absolutely, to be thankful for 
what we have and what some amazing folks are willing to go the extra mile to 
make available to us, we also need to simply speak up and guide them. -Or in 
some cases, we need to really bring about the point that these common 
technologies now are a real need for us.

This sort of thing is our responsibility. What I am saying is to use the tools 
that we have in order to connect with the developers or companies that we can 
connect with and don’t give up. Continue to intelligently let them know that 
you need equal access and how important it is for all of us. Understand that 
access is not just being able to use a device but it is also being abel to use 
that device as easily and comfortably as compared to our sighted counterparts 
in as much as that is possible with current technologies and capabilities. This 
means making the experience of using that product helpful and enjoyable for us, 
not an arduous and frustrating process. We can take the definition of 
accessibility and move it forward and help others to understand that.

As I said, there are people who are interested and who will listen. If you 
don’t find them on the first try, then just do it again. You *will* find them 
and they *will * listen.

There are also organizations that we already have that have been helping us all 
throughout this process. Maybe you don’t agree with one or the other of them, 
but just make the step to check in with one of them. That’s a start. See what 
they think of the situation and if they may already have a plan to address it.

If you want better Android accessibility for example, perhaps someone at a 
local chapter of ACB or NFB or perhaps your local rehab organization has 
someone who has also given this some thought. By doing this, you have just 
created an alliance where there was none previously. This way more ideas happen 
and those ideas find motion. Does this make sense?


These are just a few ideas I have. What are yours? How do you think we might 
help ourselves to assure that accessibility can continue to thrive and improve 
and grow as it needs to now?…

Thanks so much for reading and for your question.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

Cara
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On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Marshall Scott 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Rajmund]

Hello Cara,

Do we use accessibil...@apple.com or some kind of other address for this? Its 
not a direct accessibility feature, after all.

- Original Message -
From: Cara Quinn  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

>
>
> Hi Marshall;
> 
> You're not stupid! :) That's a great question.
> 
> My point is really that rather than us waiting for more news on things or 
> wishing that something would work for us, that we simply take the first step 
> and really go ahead and start a friendly dialogue with anyone we may know 
> between us and that which we are working toward.
> 
> In regard to Apple, we have an email address and a phone number. Some of us 
> have other connections as well. Use these. That's all.
> 
> For Android and other companies, just take the step to find their contact 
> details and go ahead and follow that. You will find that there are people who 
> will listen.
> 
> It does not mean we need to fight or be confrontational. There are many 
> people in these tech companies as well as small developers alike who are 
> really interested in what we have to say.
> 
> Our job I feel very strongly now, is really to come together and lend our 
> voices, not as iPhone users or Android users, not as Mac users or Windows 
> users, but just as customers who really rely on all of these various 
> technologies (and more) to have a good quality of life or very much enhance 
> or improve our lives..
> 
> So many times, we wish that something was accessible and so many of us just 
> stay at that point, (I've done it myself) when really what would help would 
> be just to add your voice to the mix. Even just one comment, question or 
> tweet can really make a difference because it may start a ball rolling 
> somewhere that you may not even know about.
> 
> We have almost two thousand five hundred people here on this list alone. 
> While that's not many in the grand scheme of the entire world population, it 
> sure is a lot when it comes to a company receiving emails or phone calls or 
> tweets.
> 
> If you were to receive even a thousand emails in a week, all commenting on or 
> asking for the same thing, I guarantee you you would sit up and take notice.
> 
> I am on this journey right along with you and everyone else here. So while I 
> may not personally have every answer we need, I am absolutely confident 
> beyond any doubt that we can do more now to really assure that our voices be 
> heard and that we take that extra step to do all we can to make the 
> technology we need accessible or to make sure it stays usable and beneficial 
> for us.
> 
> As has already been said here, if the touch tone bug had happened to the 
> sighted market, there would have been nothing short of outrage. -But you know 
> that that kind of bug would never have happened to sighted purchasers of the 
> iPhone. So my point is that while yes, we need absolutely, to be thankful for 
> what we have and what some amazing folks are willing to go the extra mile to 
> make available to us, we also need to simply speak up and guide them. -Or in 
> some cases, we need to really bring about the point that these common 
> technologies now are a real need for us.
> 
> This sort of thing is our responsibility. What I am saying is to use the 
> tools that we have in order to connect with the developers or companies that 
> we can connect with and don't give up. Continue to intelligently let them 
> know that you need equal access and how important it is for all of us. 
> Understand that access is not just being able to use a device but it is also 
> being abel to use that device as easily and comfortably as compared to our 
> sighted counterparts in as much as that is possible with current technologies 
> and capabilities. This means making the experience of using that product 
> helpful and enjoyable for us, not an arduous and frustrating process. We can 
> take the definition of accessibility and move it forward and help others to 
> understand that.
> 
> As I said, there are people who are interested and who will listen. If you 
> don't find them on the first try, then just do it again. You *will* find them 
> and they *will * listen.
> 
> There are also organizations that we already have that have been helping us 
> all throughout this process. Maybe you don't agree with one or the other of 
> them, but just make the step to check in with one of them. That's a start. 
> See what they think of the situation and if they may already have a plan to 
> address it.
> 
> If you want better Android accessibility for example, perhaps someone at a 
> local chapter of ACB or NFB or perhaps your local rehab organization has 
> someone who has also given this some thought. By doing this, you have just 
> created an alliance where there was none previously. This way more ideas 
> happen and those ideas find motion. Does this make 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Rajmund]

Hello Cara,
Yes, I would like to thank him for the link, I think that is the way forward. 
That's why I was wondering, since I am not sure whether the things would really 
reach, from accessibility's desk. Thanks a lot, once again.

- Original Message -
From: Cara Quinn  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:05 pm
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

>
>
> Hi Rajmund,
> 
> I would say to use the method that is most convenient for you, knowing that 
> you may be offered another means of communication so that your concern 
> reaches the right person.
> 
> Jonathan has been kind enough to post a link, so unless that is somehow 
> prohibitive for you, then that would really be the way to go.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> 
> http://www.onemodelplace.com/models/Cara-Quinn
> 
> Follow me on Twitter!
> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello Cara,
> 
> Do we use accessibil...@apple.com or some kind of other address for this? Its 
> not a direct accessibility feature, after all.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Cara Quinn  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:53 pm
> Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Marshall;
> > 
> > You're not stupid! :) That's a great question.
> > 
> > My point is really that rather than us waiting for more news on things or 
> > wishing that something would work for us, that we simply take the first 
> > step and really go ahead and start a friendly dialogue with anyone we may 
> > know between us and that which we are working toward.
> > 
> > In regard to Apple, we have an email address and a phone number. Some of us 
> > have other connections as well. Use these. That's all.
> > 
> > For Android and other companies, just take the step to find their contact 
> > details and go ahead and follow that. You will find that there are people 
> > who will listen.
> > 
> > It does not mean we need to fight or be confrontational. There are many 
> > people in these tech companies as well as small developers alike who are 
> > really interested in what we have to say.
> > 
> > Our job I feel very strongly now, is really to come together and lend our 
> > voices, not as iPhone users or Android users, not as Mac users or Windows 
> > users, but just as customers who really rely on all of these various 
> > technologies (and more) to have a good quality of life or very much enhance 
> > or improve our lives..
> > 
> > So many times, we wish that something was accessible and so many of us just 
> > stay at that point, (I've done it myself) when really what would help would 
> > be just to add your voice to the mix. Even just one comment, question or 
> > tweet can really make a difference because it may start a ball rolling 
> > somewhere that you may not even know about.
> > 
> > We have almost two thousand five hundred people here on this list alone. 
> > While that's not many in the grand scheme of the entire world population, 
> > it sure is a lot when it comes to a company receiving emails or phone calls 
> > or tweets.
> > 
> > If you were to receive even a thousand emails in a week, all commenting on 
> > or asking for the same thing, I guarantee you you would sit up and take 
> > notice.
> > 
> > I am on this journey right along with you and everyone else here. So while 
> > I may not personally have every answer we need, I am absolutely confident 
> > beyond any doubt that we can do more now to really assure that our voices 
> > be heard and that we take that extra step to do all we can to make the 
> > technology we need accessible or to make sure it stays usable and 
> > beneficial for us.
> > 
> > As has already been said here, if the touch tone bug had happened to the 
> > sighted market, there would have been nothing short of outrage. -But you 
> > know that that kind of bug would never have happened to sighted purchasers 
> > of the iPhone. So my point is that while yes, we need absolutely, to be 
> > thankful for what we have and what some amazing folks are willing to go the 
> > extra mile to make available to us, we also need to simply speak up and 
> > guide them. -Or in some cases, we need to really bring about the point that 
> > these common technologies now are a real need for us.
> > 
> > This sort of thing is our responsibility. What I am saying is to use the 
> > tools that we have in order to connect with the developers or companies 
> > that we can connect with and don't give up. Continue to intelligently let 
> > them know that you need equal access and how important it is for all of us. 
> > Understand that access is not just being able to use a device but it is 
> > also being abel to use that device as easily and comfortably as compared 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Arnold Schmidt]

When I have heard about this in the past, they were, (are?), planning to use 
the lightning connector, some way or other, to connect the headphones. Hey, 
this way, they will be able to sell their own headphones, or, hopefully, 
adapters to make everybody else's headphones usable with the iPhone.  

Arnold Schmidt  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:49 AM
  Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away


  Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.


  There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so 
Apple can make the phone thinner.

  I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.


  I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

  When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s 
Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

  After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

  Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

  Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

  There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

  So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

  There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.

  Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

  You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.

  Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of 
us really, genuinely need it.

  The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

  If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
have been available since 2014.

  According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to 
analogue converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There 
is no word in the story that this Lightning port would be in addition to the 
one already on iPhones, implying that you’ll have one port for both charging 
your device and listening to wired 

RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)]

I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. We 
need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it away 
will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who absolutely 
love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I will pass on 
the feedback link to them as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
proactive.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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http://Mosen.org

On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
> wrote:

Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. Is 
it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone jack? 
Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive messages 
in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my sighted peers. 
They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re doing. I know I’m 
preaching to the choir.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Rose Combs]

How can we express ourselves regarding the subject of the earphone jack?  
Forgive me, I have been away for many days and am way behind, so reading fast 
to get caught up.  Came home to over 800 e-mails, much more in Twitter may 
never catch up there.  Had it on my phone but lost earphones and did not want 
to disturb my hose with a jot of jabber from my phone.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
feeling increasingly trapped.

There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone that 
it's tricky to find an alternative for.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

 

Hi Jonathan,
I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not know 
what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not hearing 
impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this possibility. We 
don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is going to notice one 
stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy some stupid little 
connector to use my headphones with? And they will probably charge $30 for it 
even though the parts cost them five. And then when I lose said connector, 
which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy another one. This just looks like 
a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make more money off of people who are willing 
to keep paying top dollar for increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, 
and android weren't such a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind  
screen reader users, I would really consider switching to android. But, web 
browsing and continuous reading and some other things are still so bad on that 
platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your device 
efficiently. My opinion only of course.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it 

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RE: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Blind Treasures]

When you contact Netflix technical support and request that audio described be 
activated on your account they have to put you into some sort of what they call 
test phase. They told me I wouldn't notice any difference in service and so far 
I haven't and audio described works fine now. Hope this helps.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Grant
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

Once Netflix technical support is consulted and the required feature is active 
on your account, can you then access described content on the Apple TV?

Grant

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Blind Treasures  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
> support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
> Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending 
> on who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Grant
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
> To: Viphone List
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of 
> the Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries about 
> replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described 
> Netflix content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are 
> accessible that you use on a day to day basis?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Grant
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Re: I'm looking for an email sent by the NFL indicating it was possible to get live televised games streamed, a request and a question.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Kevin. No, this is only available to Verizon wireless customers and only 
includes Thursday night, Sunday night, and Monday night games, as well as local 
afternoon games. 

Sent from my iPhone

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>  
> A few days ago I got an email from the NFL indicating that they had available 
> the ability to get live streamed televised games.  I have two questions.  
> First, is this available for the Apple TV?  If so, how do you access it.  If 
> this is possible, I would like someone to send the email that the NFL sent 
> out.  I called NFL support a couple of hours ago, and I’m still on hold with 
> them.
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> Thanks in advance for any help.
>  
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Ed Worrell]

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions that 
Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same thing, 
Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted 
this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple 
removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what 
ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure on a 
product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to leave the 
disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a breath and relax. 
Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
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> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
> what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
> make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. 
> We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it 
> away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who 
> absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I 
> will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>  
> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
> > wrote:
>  
> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
> 
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jewel]

Have done!

Jewel


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones


Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html 
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some context if I 
may.
First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM headphone 
jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making the phone 
thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is publicly 
searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is patenting. It's 
fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going and what they're 
thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering correctly, Apple 
patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is thinner. So we know the 
issue of the size of the jack has been on its radar, and they care about the 
issue enough to have publicly filed a patent for a new kind of jack that's 
totally different from anything on the market.
Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of this 
news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that just interview 
their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical. This particular site is a 
credible Japanese tech news site, who, based on their very good track record 
with Apple exclusives in the past, seems to have a pretty good internal source 
within Apple. This internal Apple source is saying that the discussion about 
the size of the headphone jack has resulted in a compromise. It's saying they 
think the public backlash would be too great if they included a special 
headphone jack, but putting a digital to analogue converter in the Lightning 
connector would be a compromise Apple could live with, and they think the 
public will accept.
Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source enough 
to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they got it 
wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may be early 
enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if we provide 
constructive feedback that we value the jack.
Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of public 
relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common strategy that 
a company will let something leak that they know could be controversial, so 
they can see what the fall-out might be like if they went ahead with a certain 
course of action.
So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a few 
minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value the 
headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely erroneous, I 
sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal. But if Apple are 
thinking about it and can still change their minds at this point, I may have 
made a small difference.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
> one to leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a 
> breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.
> 
> Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.
> 
> Ed Worrell
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I 
>> know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase 
>> software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what 
>> that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and 
>> how taking it away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted 
>> folks who absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as 
>> well. I will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
>> they're 

Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very 
sluggish or slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even 
some of the later updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a 
faster processor will perform better, but I've never considered my 
iPhone 4S to be unusable.


On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and announcements 
from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more
iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became
to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the
older 3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


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-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have
better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen
and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
line.
   From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making
the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb
was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" 
To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the
extra couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music
assorted games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in
general is wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I
do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s
be a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't
decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
:
:
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I'm looking for an email sent by the NFL indicating it was possible to get live televised games streamed, a request and a question.

[Kevin Minor]

Hi.

A few days ago I got an email from the NFL indicating that they had available 
the ability to get live streamed televised games.  I have two questions.  
First, is this available for the Apple TV?  If so, how do you access it.  If 
this is possible, I would like someone to send the email that the NFL sent out. 
 I called NFL support a couple of hours ago, and I'm still on hold with them.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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ITunes, MP3 files, and syncing to an iPhone 5S.

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Hello there, my situation is this, I am not able to sync MP3 files to my 
iPhone. Can anyone give me any tips as to anything I can do about this? Thank 
you.

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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Rajmund,

I would say to use the method that is most convenient for you, knowing that you 
may be offered another means of communication so that your concern reaches the 
right person.

Jonathan has been kind enough to post a link, so unless that is somehow 
prohibitive for you, then that would really be the way to go.

Cheers!

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello Cara,

Do we use accessibil...@apple.com or some kind of other address for this? Its 
not a direct accessibility feature, after all.

- Original Message -
From: Cara Quinn  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

> 
> 
> Hi Marshall;
> 
> You're not stupid! :) That's a great question.
> 
> My point is really that rather than us waiting for more news on things or 
> wishing that something would work for us, that we simply take the first step 
> and really go ahead and start a friendly dialogue with anyone we may know 
> between us and that which we are working toward.
> 
> In regard to Apple, we have an email address and a phone number. Some of us 
> have other connections as well. Use these. That's all.
> 
> For Android and other companies, just take the step to find their contact 
> details and go ahead and follow that. You will find that there are people who 
> will listen.
> 
> It does not mean we need to fight or be confrontational. There are many 
> people in these tech companies as well as small developers alike who are 
> really interested in what we have to say.
> 
> Our job I feel very strongly now, is really to come together and lend our 
> voices, not as iPhone users or Android users, not as Mac users or Windows 
> users, but just as customers who really rely on all of these various 
> technologies (and more) to have a good quality of life or very much enhance 
> or improve our lives..
> 
> So many times, we wish that something was accessible and so many of us just 
> stay at that point, (I've done it myself) when really what would help would 
> be just to add your voice to the mix. Even just one comment, question or 
> tweet can really make a difference because it may start a ball rolling 
> somewhere that you may not even know about.
> 
> We have almost two thousand five hundred people here on this list alone. 
> While that's not many in the grand scheme of the entire world population, it 
> sure is a lot when it comes to a company receiving emails or phone calls or 
> tweets.
> 
> If you were to receive even a thousand emails in a week, all commenting on or 
> asking for the same thing, I guarantee you you would sit up and take notice.
> 
> I am on this journey right along with you and everyone else here. So while I 
> may not personally have every answer we need, I am absolutely confident 
> beyond any doubt that we can do more now to really assure that our voices be 
> heard and that we take that extra step to do all we can to make the 
> technology we need accessible or to make sure it stays usable and beneficial 
> for us.
> 
> As has already been said here, if the touch tone bug had happened to the 
> sighted market, there would have been nothing short of outrage. -But you know 
> that that kind of bug would never have happened to sighted purchasers of the 
> iPhone. So my point is that while yes, we need absolutely, to be thankful for 
> what we have and what some amazing folks are willing to go the extra mile to 
> make available to us, we also need to simply speak up and guide them. -Or in 
> some cases, we need to really bring about the point that these common 
> technologies now are a real need for us.
> 
> This sort of thing is our responsibility. What I am saying is to use the 
> tools that we have in order to connect with the developers or companies that 
> we can connect with and don't give up. Continue to intelligently let them 
> know that you need equal access and how important it is for all of us. 
> Understand that access is not just being able to use a device but it is also 
> being abel to use that device as easily and comfortably as compared to our 
> sighted counterparts in as much as that is possible with current technologies 
> and capabilities. This means making the experience of using that product 
> helpful and enjoyable for us, not an arduous and frustrating process. We can 
> take the definition of accessibility and move it forward and help others to 
> understand that.
> 
> As I said, there are people who are interested and who will listen. If you 
> don't find them on the first try, then just do it again. You *will* find them 
> and they *will * listen.
> 
> There are also organizations that we already have that have been helping us 
> all throughout this 

RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Rose Combs]

I do not want the jack removed either, I don’t use it often when alone but do 
when out in public or visiting someone.  

Prefer something that is not a battery hog.  

 

 

Rose Combs

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A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

I didn't like the idea of the 3.5 mm headphone jack  removal in the future 
iPhones if it were to be true. I was thinking, they may have some sort of 
lightning connector for the headphones, which means that Apple would probably 
sell  a 3.5 mm to lightning connector adapter. Sounds like something they would 
do just to Paten   such adapter.



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On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at  

 Mac Rumours.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the 

Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Regina Alvarado]

I agree Jonathan. If Apple is not thinking of getting rid of the earphone jack 
then I spent 5 minutes explaining why I use it all the time. If they are really 
thinking of not including the jack, well, better to be vocal in the beginning 
and let them know why it is important. At least they may rethink their stance 
if enough people say they use the jack. 

reggie & Lex

On Dec 1, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Message sent. I hope others will do the same. We may not make a difference, and 
the site that Jonathan quoted and others have seen maybe wrong this time. But 
it can't hurt to send him a nice message saying that we don't think a 
millimeter of thickness is worth the loss of the headphone jack and the 
problems that would accrue to people if this were done.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Mary Otten]

I saw another article today the talk about how Apple is supposedly considering 
any number of various combinations for the new iPhone. Again, we don't know. 
But I don't think this rumor about taking away the headphone jack is the same 
as the business about the project keyboard. That may happen at some point. But 
I don't think technology is there. And they may not get rid of the on-screen 
keyboard even if they did the projection one. They're not mutually exclusive. 
This would be a hardware decision which if taken, would be very difficult to 
reverse in a subsequent model without Apple having lots of crow. And Apple is 
not known for eating crow, although Tim Cook has been better at that than jobs 
ever was.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
> one to leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a 
> breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.
> 
> Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.
> 
> Ed Worrell
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I 
>> know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase 
>> software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what 
>> that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and 
>> how taking it away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted 
>> folks who absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as 
>> well. I will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
>> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
>> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
>> proactive.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
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>> http://Mosen.org
>>  
>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
>> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
>> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
>> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
>> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
>> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep 
>> the headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
>> Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Devin Prater]

Seriously? Lol you guys. If the have just the lightning connector, or two of 
them, they plan to have their headphones, and probably other brands too, and an 
adaptor, to have the headphones plug into the lightning port. This will allow 
for better sound, and a smaller phone. Am I worried? Yeah. I like my current 
Apple Earpods just fine, and don't see any need for Apple to push physics with 
smaller, thinner, almost lighter than air phones. They need to work on software 
and more power/battery life and all that. But ah well, I'm not in control of 
Apple and their need to step forward, even if it means leaving some people in 
the dust.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
>> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
>> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
>> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
>> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
>> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>>  
>> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep 
>> the headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
>> Jonathan Mosen
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RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Rose Combs]

I lost my corded headset over the weekend.  I thought I had another one on my 
desk at home, but apparently not.  

Would like to know what is small, either corded or maybe not, that works well 
with a microphone to answer or make calls, but mostly for using the phone in 
private when I am not home.  I can replace the Apple one, of course, but they 
are not that comfortable and I used them either when at the hospital before my 
late husband passed or when I was visiting away from home, especially a cousin 
who like to watch a lot more TV than I do, usually I was reading, sometimes 
doing Facebook or Twitter.   I can’t even find the Bluetooth earphone I once 
had.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cd
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 8:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

I don’t think you are in the minority.  This would be a horrible thing as at 
least for me I find the regular Bluetooth a nightmare with the latest IOS 
update especially.  Give me my corded headset any time!  Yes this would truly 
suck!

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the 

RE: hi all. I also have a 4s and have been thinking of upgrading and would like the lists thoughts.

[Rose Combs]

I upgraded my 4S last year and am glad I did, love my 6 for the most part.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Paganelli
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hi all. i also have a 4s and have been thinking of upgrading and 
would like the lists thoughts.

 

The 5s is a 64 bit phone.  the 4 and the 4s aren't.  The 4 won't go any higher 
then iOS 7.22 or there abouts. and, as far as I know, the 4s and the 5 are also 
32 bit.  The 5s is a 64 bit phone which means it will run iOS 9 plus.

 

Alan

 

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On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:

hello all. i have a 4s and have been thinking of upgrading as well. right now 
telus my phone company has the 5s for0 dollers on a 2 year plan. now my 
contract on my 4s doesn't end untill feb 5 of next year. so i am wondering if i 
should save up and get the 6 or get the 5s now when it is 0 dollers? i would 
like the lists thoughts. to me there is no rush since like others i use my 
phone for things like calling playing games and stuff i will some times use it 
to check e mail etc but mostly use my lap top for that. i just was wondering 
about the lists thoughts. ps i also live in ontario canada as well. from Mich.

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RE: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Rose Combs]

Wrote a message requesting the current configuration of earphone and suggested 
that if we can’t charge and use earphone at same time I might be tempted to 
change despite my use of VO daily!  I hope it does not come to that, I love all 
the things I can do with my iPhone 6, but I would be eligible for a 7… 

Maybe not politic but it is done.  

I spent half my day on phone either on hold or discussing insurance with 
someone who could not understand me and whom I could barely understand so I am 
not politic at this moment.  

 

 

Rose Combs

  roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

 

Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Mary Otten]

Message sent. I hope others will do the same. We may not make a difference, and 
the site that Jonathan quoted and others have seen maybe wrong this time. But 
it can't hurt to send him a nice message saying that we don't think a 
millimeter of thickness is worth the loss of the headphone jack and the 
problems that would accrue to people if this were done.

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
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> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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Re: hi all. i also have a 4s and have been thinking of upgrading and would like the lists thoughts.

[Christopher Chaltain]

IOS 9 also runs on 32-bit phones, such as the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5.

On 01/12/15 10:36, Alan Paganelli wrote:

The 5s is a 64 bit phone.  the 4 and the 4s aren't.  The 4 won't go any
higher then iOS 7.22 or there abouts. and, as far as I know, the 4s and
the 5 are also 32 bit.  The 5s is a 64 bit phone which means it will run
iOS 9 plus.


Alan

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On Nov 30, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Mich Verrier > wrote:


hello all. i have a 4s and have been thinking of upgrading as well.
right now telus my phone company has the 5s for0 dollers on a 2 year
plan. now my contract on my 4s doesn't end untill feb 5 of next year.
so i am wondering if i should save up and get the 6 or get the 5s now
when it is 0 dollers? i would like the lists thoughts. to me there is
no rush since like others i use my phone for things like calling
playing games and stuff i will some times use it to check e mail etc
but mostly use my lap top for that. i just was wondering about the
lists thoughts. ps i also live in ontario canada as well. from Mich.

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RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

Well it'll be behind the times soon.heheheheheh

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:46 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very sluggish or 
slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even some of the later 
updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a faster processor will perform 
better, but I've never considered my iPhone 4S to be unusable.

On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:
> It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>
> I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and 
> announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that 
> IOS
> 9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.
>
> On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:
>> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>
>> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
>> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
>> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
>> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
>>
>> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
>> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
>> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
>> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
>> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
>> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
>> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a 
>> newer phone.
>>
>> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>>>
>>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>>> only one year-old.
>>>
>>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>>>
>>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>>>
>>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more 
>>> iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices 
>>> became to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>>>
>>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the 
>>> older 3GS, or the 4S.
>>>
>>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have 
>>> better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen 
>>> and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews 
>>> on line.
>>>From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making 
>>> the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>>>
>>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
 Thank you all for your comments.
 I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb 
 was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

 I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
 better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

 - Original Message -
 From: "Tessa" 
 To: "VIPhone" 
 Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
 Subject: upgrading from 4s


 : Hi:
 : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
 signifficantly
 : better than the 4s I currently have or 

Re: Leather flip case iPhone 6s

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi. 
I have one... kind of looks like a wallet... in fact, it does have two slots 
for credit cards, ID's... or whatever you want to put in it. I like it. The 
phone is stuck to the back of it with adhesive, and it's nice because you don't 
have to take it out for a docking station or anything. HTH 

Jen Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:16 PM, Traci  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone heard of this case, or has anyone had a flip case for their 
> iPhones?
> 
> 
> 
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> Case Book Folio Cover with Magnetic Closure [Fits like a Glove] Compatible 
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Overcast questions

[Chris Chaffin]

Looking at Overcast, and have some questions for those who are using it.
First, I am running ios 8.4, so I can not run the latest version since I am not 
running ios 9.

First question, how do I get the podcast to download?  I have 4 episodes and 
they say waiting to download.  I went to the download tab, but still could not 
get them to download.

Next question, I thought I have heard that you could speed up how fast you 
listen to the podcast.  If this is possible, where is that setting?  I did not 
see it in the settings.

As I continue to get to know the app, I am sure that I will have more questions.
Thanks for any help!

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Re: Downcast major problem!

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Gary,

Mine was not an automatic update, I started it myself.

I am not sure what you are running, but I am running ios 8.4 on an iphone 6.
It is a very strange thing.  Everything works just fine except the player just 
does not play anything.

It looks like the player somehow got corrupted or something.


Chris




> On Dec 1, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Gary  wrote:
> 
> I have my phone to auto update, and I’m experiencing the same problem of my 
> podcasts not playing.
> Gary
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I downloaded the update to Downcast yesterday, and now nothing will play.  
>> Not old episodes that I was saving, and not new episodes that I just 
>> downloaded.
>> I have tried taking downcast out of the app switcher and restarting my 
>> phone, but nothing has helped.
>> 
>> Since I download my podcast to my device, I really do not want to delete the 
>> app because I do not want to lose all of the episodes that I am saving.
>> Does anyone have any suggestions, or know of a way that I can delete and 
>> reinstall the app without losing all of the episodes I have currently saved.
>> 
>> I did send an email to the developer explaining the problem that has 
>> occurred, but have not heard anything back.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chris
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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Christopher Chaltain]

There's already a standard 2.55MM headphone jack, which I know isn't as 
thin as what Apple has patented. Also, switching to a proprietary jack 
would have some financial benefits for Apple.


On 01/12/15 17:35, Jonathan Mosen wrote:

Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some
context if I may.
First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM
headphone jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making
the phone thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is
publicly searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is
patenting. It's fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going
and what they're thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering
correctly, Apple patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is
thinner. So we know the issue of the size of the jack has been on its
radar, and they care about the issue enough to have publicly filed a
patent for a new kind of jack that's totally different from anything on
the market.
Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of
this news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that
just interview their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical.
This particular site is a credible Japanese tech news site, who, based
on their very good track record with Apple exclusives in the past, seems
to have a pretty good internal source within Apple. This internal Apple
source is saying that the discussion about the size of the headphone
jack has resulted in a compromise. It's saying they think the public
backlash would be too great if they included a special headphone jack,
but putting a digital to analogue converter in the Lightning connector
would be a compromise Apple could live with, and they think the public
will accept.
Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source
enough to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they
got it wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may
be early enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if
we provide constructive feedback that we value the jack.
Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of
public relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common
strategy that a company will let something leak that they know could be
controversial, so they can see what the fall-out might be like if they
went ahead with a certain course of action.
So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a
few minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value
the headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely
erroneous, I sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal.
But if Apple are thinking about it and can still change their minds at
this point, I may have made a small difference.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell > wrote:

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It
is just that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going
to include a projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not
jumping to conclusions that Apple is going to take the on screen
keyboard away… This is the same thing, Apple will not remove the head
phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted this runs on purely
advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple removes the
head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what ever
plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure
on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to
leave the disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a
breath and relax. Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell

On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA)
> wrote:

I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life
because I know what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately
purchase software to make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this
list know what that’s like. We need to let them know now that we want
them to keep this and how taking it away will affect how we use the
phone. I know lots of sighted folks who absolutely love being able to
use headphones with their iphones as well. I will pass on the
feedback link to them as well.
*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Jonathan Mosen
*Sent:*Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:*Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack 

To back up iPhone using windows iTunes

[Mary Otten]

I am writing this on behalf of a friend of mine who has an iPhone 5s running 
iOS 9. He is going to upgrade and wanted to back his iPhone up before so doing. 
He is running Windows 7 with all the updates, and the latest iTunes for 
windows. He is not able to back up his iPhone. He spent two hours on the phone 
with Apple to no avail. So I wonder is anyone else having this problem?
Mary


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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

True, and at that point I will consider upgrading, but to this point I 
don't regret hanging on to my iPhone 4S and the money I've saved each 
year. I do think though that people who don't use an iPhone 4S and just 
assume it's very sluggish and slow are doing other iPhone users a 
disservice.


On 01/12/15 18:56, kimmie parutu wrote:

Well it'll be behind the times soon.heheheheheh

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:46 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

If you're talking about my iPhone 4S, I wouldn't say it was very sluggish or 
slow. Performance actually improved under IOS 9 and even some of the later 
updates to IOS 8. Obviously a newer phone with a faster processor will perform 
better, but I've never considered my iPhone 4S to be unusable.

On 01/12/15 06:03, kimmie parutu wrote:

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and
announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that
IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more
iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices
became to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the
older 3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


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-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have
better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen
and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
line.
From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making
the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb
was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

- Original Message -
From: "Tessa" 
To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the
extra couple
: 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Gerardo Corripio]

 Yes me too! Don't take away the headphone jack! Here in Mexico, where 
Apple-specific adapters and the like are expensive, and sometimes hard 
to come by since there's no Apple Store as of yet, there's nothing 
better to grab any earphones and away connect them to my phone!


El 01/12/2015 10:59 a.m., 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone escribió:

Hi Jonathan,

I agree totally with what you're saying and will certainly be watching 
this space with interest. If anyone hears anything else which they 
consider to be credible, One way or the other, I am sure we will all 
want to know. Obviously, if they are going to take it away then we 
want the opportunity to shout loud and long! :) Carol P

Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 1 Dec 2015, at 4:10 p.m., Jonathan Mosen > wrote:


Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess 
to feeling increasingly trapped.
There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the 
phone that it's tricky to find an alternative for.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten > wrote:


Hi Jonathan,
I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not 
been trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so 
I do not know what the public reaction to that story has been. But, 
while I am not hearing impaired, I absolutely join you in your 
condemnation of this possibility. We don't need thinner iPhones. We 
just don't. And 1 mm? Who is going to notice one stinking millimeter? 
For that, Apple will make me buy some stupid little connector to use 
my headphones with? And they will probably charge $30 for it even 
though the parts cost them five. And then when I lose said connector, 
which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy another one. This just 
looks like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make more money off of 
people who are willing to keep paying top dollar for increasingly 
shoddy products. If they did this, and android weren't such a mess in 
some fairly fundamental ways for blind  screen reader users, I would 
really consider switching to android. But, web browsing and 
continuous reading and some other things are still so bad on that 
platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your 
device efficiently. My opinion only of course.

Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:


Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be 
raised by someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm 
not sure whether Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what 
reaction this idea gets.


There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past 
been credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a 
headphone jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 
72 hours ago. Here goes.


I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion 
that determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the 
performance I need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.


When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m 
on the 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The 
battery life and the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it 
the right choice for me.


After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 
15-inch MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB 
of RAM and 1TB solid state storage.


Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my 
backpack just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to 
take places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having 
OS X for a few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary 
operating system. With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run 
JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still tend to 
iMessages and FaceTime calls.


Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I 
done? This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon 
reminds me that I made the right decision for my particular needs.


There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If 
you want to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina 
MacBook, which is just adorably thin and light, with compromises to 
match. It sports a single USB type C port, which is the only way 
both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. And the keyboard 
is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.


So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the 
needs of the road warrior 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Paula, it wouldn't hurt to let Apple know that you appreciate the headphone 
jack.
YOu'd want to use some sort of general feedback mechanism, since this is a high 
level hardware decision and not accessibility-specific.
Hopefully, they won't take it away. As I said in the article, even the best 
sources get it wrong sometimes. But it's such a horrible prospect that perhaps 
it is good for us to let Apple know that we value the jack.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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> On 2/12/2015, at 5:45 AM, Paul and Paula Jordan  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all.  I completely agree about not losing the earphone input 
> jack.  Is it time to contact Apple and let our voices be heard, or is that 
> premature.  If so, who is the best person or department to contact.  While I 
> could use blue tooth devices, I prefer to use wired headphones and want the 
> freedom to continue to use them.
> Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and Boston
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf 
> Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away
>  
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>  
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
>  
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours 
> 

Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Alan Paganelli]

Keep flicking up or down until you get to delete and then double tap with one 
finger.

HTH


Alan

Sent from my iPad Air

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> This is off topic, I know. But, in general, the quality of everything is 
> dropping, even note takers. I have had nothing but keyboard issues with the 
> HIMS braille sense. The IOS devices will never have that (smile)
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Mary Otten  
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:02 pm
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Amen. Apple is the richest tech company in the world. Unless they come out 
>> publicly and say they acknowledged a lot of bugs, but just can't find enough 
>> talented and qualified people to squash them all, they have zero excuse. 
>> None. But as long as we all keep buying this half baked, half finished 
>> software, and let them off the hook for several months, and let some bugs 
>> keep piling up, there will be no incentive. The only thing companies 
>> understand his bottom line. And clearly, the drop in quality is not hurting 
>> Apple one little bit. Not among the blind, and not among the sighted The 
>> whole industry is getting away with sloppiness. It is certainly not just 
>> Apple. I have been experimenting again with android. And believe me, the 
>> grass is definitely not greener on that side of the fence from the blind 
>> person screen reader user point of view. It may have some advantages. But 
>> efficient use is not one of them.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Cristóbal  wrote:
>>> 
>>> These are all salient points to consider, but also considering the sheer 
>>> amount of cash Apple has at its disposal, I'm reluctant to cut Apple much 
>>> if any slack on problematic issues like this. They have the resources 
>>> available to them that if they wanted to make dealing with and avoiding 
>>> accessibility bugs and limitations a priority, they could do so without 
>>> skipping a beat. I mean come on, they have so much available cash on hand 
>>> that they make Scrooge McDuck look like some bum scrounging for quarters in 
>>> the gutter.
>>> There is absolutely no reason why their accessibility department or any 
>>> department under the Apple umbrella should be understaffed or stretched 
>>> thin..
>>> Even with the new Apple TV OS aside, a lot of these bugs already discussed 
>>> are either newly introduced bugs not present in older iterations of 
>>> software or hardware or have solutions to them when using alternative 
>>> assistive technology I.E. Windows screen readers, Android OS, etc. Often 
>>> pretty basic and essential stuff. Cara's highlighting of the dial tone bug 
>>> with VO is a perfect example of this.
>>> I can understand the challenges where you're developing new technologies 
>>> and figuring out stuff as you go along, and maybe in this case, there 
>>> simply aren't enough people or knowledge out there to address all the 
>>> inevitable road blocks that pop up as part of the process, but for well 
>>> established fields and problems that at this point shouldn't be problems 
>>> anymore, again, no slack to be cut.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Marshall Scott
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:29 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
>>> 
>>> I think there are two major reasons for the recent problems with 
>>> accessibility at Apple.  The first is that Apple now has to develop and 
>>> support software and hardware for four product lines.  These lines are OS 
>>> X, iOS for iDevices, the apple Watch and finally Apple TV.  Apple also has 
>>> to support older devices like the iPhone 4S.  The differences between these 
>>> products may be slight but they have to be tested.
>>> The second issue is that Apple has decided on a 12 month release schedule.. 
>>>  As a former programmer, I feel like this is too short a development cycle 
>>> to really fix bugs in software
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> Marshall
>>> 
 On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
 
 ben, I couldn't agree with you more here.
 
 I feel now that the more we are complacent about quietly dealing with the 
 mounting accessibility issues over the various OS roll-outs and new Apple 
 products, the worse this situation is unfortunately likely to become.
 
 The truth is that Apple has been doing incredible things in the access 
 world over the last several years and they really should be settling into 
 their groove now, not out of it.
 
 Unfortunately though, the later seems to be what is happening.
 
 Now I know that the accessibility team is stretched thin and has been for 
 

Apple would be stupid to drop the iPhone headphone jack

[Mary Otten]

Here is an Apple fan publication  that agrees with us about the dropping of the 
headphone jack.

http://www.cultofmac.com/33/apple-would-be-stupid-to-drop-the-iphone-headphone-jack/


Sent from my iPhone

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RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

[Kathy and Wilda]

Thanks for this. One more question. How do you double tap for wxample to send a 
message?  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kim Samco
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I'm typing this now with my iPhone 6 and touch typing with 2 hands.  I used it 
with a 5s before that.

 

It's a strange looking keyboard as there is a covering over the keys so that if 
something spills it does not go down between the keys and ruin the keyboard.  
It is super thin and way super light weight.

 

I was surprised when I received it since I ordered it sight unseen...just went 
on the description and reviews but I'm very happy with it.

 

Someone on this list said that it fits in a pocket...it must be a really big 
pocket.  grin

 

Kim

 


On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Kathy and Wilda  > wrote:

Is this really for the Iphone and can you use both hands?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Samco
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I too have the Keys to Go keyboard and like it.  Yes, I type using both hands 
and I think it has great touch.  I ordered mine from Best Buy but they are also 
on Amazon.

 

Kim

 

 


On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Eva Abbas  > wrote:

Hello Devin,

 

Thank you for your input on bluetooth keyboards.  Is the logitech keys to 
go the kind of keyboard where we can type on it with both hands?  If yes, it 
will be the best.  I don’t like a keyboard too small where I have to type only 
with one hand like the atguys one or too large where I won’t know where to put 
it.  Where do we buy the keys to go keyboard?

Kind regards

 

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com  
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

 

From: Devin Prater   

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:41 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I have the Logitech keys to go. Its a nice little keyboard, can fit into my 
pockets, I can type a little faster on it than a regular keyboard because its 
so small, well not as small as a keyboard from AT guys but small enough to 
work, but not be too bolky. It has a protective layer of a lethery stuff over 
it, so that food or spills won't get in the keys. Regarding the sexiness of the 
Apple keyboard, I'll say this. It wasn't so sexy when I dropped it, and the 
aluminum around the power button bent, so that the keyboard is now perminantly 
off. So no, no more Apple keyboard for me, nor ever. My only problem with the 
keys to go is that I don't know exactly when the keyboard is dying.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 28, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Eva Abbas  > wrote:

Hi Jenn,

 

Thank you very much for your answer to my question.  I appreciate the info 
you wrote to me about the keyboards.

 

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com  
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

 

From: Jennie Facer   

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:41 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

Hi,

 

Apple does have a keyboard. It is about as fig as the L'ogitech keyboard. It 
runs around $70 also. Also, someone else suggested the keyboard from At guys. 
That is a very small keyboard about the size of a small candy bar. You can use 
only one hand for that one. She was right, it runs about $45. As for the 
L'ogitech, just do a search on Amazon for L'ogitech 810 or 811 and it will come 
up. I'm not sure about the other keyboard you mentioned. I'm not sure. I do 
know that they make a lot of different keyboards. 

 

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi


On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Eva Abbas  > wrote:

Hi Jen,

 

Thank you for your advice.  I found a logitech 3.0 keyboard.  What does 
that mean?  Is it an equivalent to 480k or 481 as you had suggested?  It is the 
brand of the source store not an original logitech.  How about apple keyboards? 
 Is there a good size not too large and not too small one?  Where do we find 
them?

Thank you once more

 

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com  
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

 

From: Jennie Facer   

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I recommend the 

Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Ann Smith]

Hello, I love my Apple TV. I bought one three weeks ago back on Veterans Day.
I have found in a lot of situations, but the control center has been plenty 
helpful to me and you're operating different things.
I have QVC, NBC, Netflix, and I'm still trying to get Hulu plus to work I don't 
think that's going to happen now.
PS, I also have YouTube.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 11:32 AM, Grant  wrote:
> 
> Once Netflix technical support is consulted and the required feature is 
> active on your account, can you then access described content on the Apple TV?
> 
> Grant
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Blind Treasures  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
>> support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
>> Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending 
>> on who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Grant
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
>> To: Viphone List
>> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard,
>> 
>> Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of 
>> the Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries 
>> about replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described 
>> Netflix content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are 
>> accessible that you use on a day to day basis?
>> 
>> Thanks so much!
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[rajmund]

Hello,
Is the roomer about the home button also true? Apparently it will be no more?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 1 Dec 2015, at 3:49 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
> 
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
> 
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> 
> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
> of us really, genuinely need it.
> 
> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
> because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
> the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.
> 
> If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
> Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
> have been available since 2014.
> 
> According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to 
> analogue converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There 
> is no word in the story that this Lightning port would be in addition to the 
> one already on iPhones, implying that you’ll have one port for both charging 
> your device and listening to wired headphones or connecting the device to a 
> mixer.
> 
> My first objection to this rumour is a philosophical one. 3.5mm headphone 
> jacks are ubiquitous. The standard is 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Jonathan Mosen]

I guess since these things are rumours, we don't know if any of them are true, 
which is what makes them rumours :).
But I have heard the one about the disappearing Home button for a few years 
now. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens at some point, although I'd have 
thought the arrival of Touch ID may make it less likely.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 2/12/2015, at 5:56 AM, rajmund  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Is the roomer about the home button also true? Apparently it will be no more?
> 
> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
> 
> On 1 Dec 2015, at 3:49 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>> 
>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
>> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>> ago. Here goes.
>> 
>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
>> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
>> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
>> 
>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
>> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and 
>> the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
>> 
>> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
>> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
>> solid state storage.
>> 
>> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
>> therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack 
>> just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and 
>> the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and 
>> functions, but Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop 
>> this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb 
>> results, and still tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
>> 
>> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? 
>> This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I 
>> made the right decision for my particular needs.
>> 
>> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
>> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
>> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
>> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
>> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
>> 
>> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
>> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
>> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty 
>> of grunt and is willing to lug it around.
>> 
>> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
>> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen 
>> sizes. So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm 
>> headphone jack in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
>> 
>> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
>> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
>> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend 
>> to be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site 
>> Mac Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like 
>> this gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple 
>> wants to monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But 
>> there’s no doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, 
>> or probably have already been taken.
>> 
>> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours 
>> .
>> 
>> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
>> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
>> of us really, genuinely need it.
>> 
>> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
>> because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they 
>> removed the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the 
>> phone.
>> 
>> If this 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[rajmund]

Hello,
OK, ∫thanks. :) We shall look out, and see

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 1 Dec 2015, at 5:00 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> I guess since these things are rumours, we don't know if any of them are 
> true, which is what makes them rumours :).
> But I have heard the one about the disappearing Home button for a few years 
> now. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens at some point, although I'd have 
> thought the arrival of Touch ID may make it less likely.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 2/12/2015, at 5:56 AM, rajmund  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Is the roomer about the home button also true? Apparently it will be no more?
>> 
>> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
>> 
>>> On 1 Dec 2015, at 3:49 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>>> 
>>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone 
>>> jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>>> ago. Here goes.
>>> 
>>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
>>> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
>>> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
>>> 
>>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
>>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
>>> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and 
>>> the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
>>> 
>>> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
>>> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
>>> solid state storage.
>>> 
>>> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
>>> therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my 
>>> backpack just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take 
>>> places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a 
>>> few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary operating system. 
>>> With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine 
>>> with superb results, and still tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? 
>>> This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I 
>>> made the right decision for my particular needs.
>>> 
>>> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you 
>>> want to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is 
>>> just adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single 
>>> USB type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it 
>>> and charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
>>> 
>>> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
>>> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
>>> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty 
>>> of grunt and is willing to lug it around.
>>> 
>>> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
>>> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen 
>>> sizes. So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm 
>>> headphone jack in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
>>> 
>>> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no 
>>> official statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a 
>>> rumour. But I read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which 
>>> sources tend to be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese 
>>> technology site Mac Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that 
>>> reports things like this gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also 
>>> possible that Apple wants to monitor customer reaction to the idea, by 
>>> letting it leak. But there’s no doubt that decisions as fundamental as this 
>>> are being taken now, or probably have already been taken.
>>> 
>>> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
>>> 
>>> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
>>> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. 
>>> Some of us really, genuinely need it.
>>> 
>>> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
>>> 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[rajmund]

Hello,
Would be much nicer than having 2 speakers on the same side, actually. I 
thought it was mono, at first.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 1 Dec 2015, at 4:49 p.m., Robert Doc wright  
> wrote:
> 
> I wish that Apple would place speakers on both sides of the device.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul and Paula Jordan
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away
>  
> Hi Jonathan and all.  I completely agree about not losing the earphone input 
> jack.  Is it time to contact Apple and let our voices be heard, or is that 
> premature.  If so, who is the best person or department to contact.  While I 
> could use blue tooth devices, I prefer to use wired headphones and want the 
> freedom to continue to use them.
> Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and Boston
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away
>  
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>  
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
>  
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
> 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Donna]

Oh no! I sure hope that this is just a false rumor! I use the earphone jack on 
my iPhone daily. Guess it is a good thing that I have the iPhone 6, so 
upgrading my phone won't be for at least another almost 2 years. Maybe by this 
time, if this is true, Apple will have realized their mistake. 

DonnaHi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
> 
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
> 
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> 
> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
> of us really, genuinely need it.
> 
> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
> because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
> the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.
> 
> If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
> Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
> have been available since 2014.
> 
> According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to 
> analogue converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There 
> is no word in the story that this Lightning port would be in addition to the 
> one already on iPhones, implying that you’ll have one port for both charging 
> your device and listening to wired headphones or connecting the device to a 
> mixer.
> 
> My first objection to this rumour 

Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Grant]

Once Netflix technical support is consulted and the required feature is active 
on your account, can you then access described content on the Apple TV?

Grant

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Blind Treasures  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
> support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
> Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending 
> on who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Grant
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
> To: Viphone List
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of 
> the Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries about 
> replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described 
> Netflix content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are 
> accessible that you use on a day to day basis?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Grant
> 
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RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi Jonathan and all.  I completely agree about not losing the earphone input 
jack.  Is it time to contact Apple and let our voices be heard, or is that 
premature.  If so, who is the best person or department to contact.  While I 
could use blue tooth devices, I prefer to use wired headphones and want the 
freedom to continue to use them.

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and Boston

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at  

 Mac Rumours.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
have been available since 2014.

According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to analogue 
converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There is no word 
in the story that this 

RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Robert Doc wright]

I wish that Apple would place speakers on both sides of the device.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi Jonathan and all.  I completely agree about not losing the earphone input 
jack.  Is it time to contact Apple and let our voices be heard, or is that 
premature.  If so, who is the best person or department to contact.  While I 
could use blue tooth devices, I prefer to use wired headphones and want the 
freedom to continue to use them.

Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and Boston

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at  

 Mac Rumours.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

[Eva Abbas]

Hi Kim,

Thank you once more for your input on the logitech keys to go keyboard.  
Very helpful to hear about your experience.  That was exactly what I wanted to 
hear.

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

From: Kim Samco 
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 11:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

I'm typing this now with my iPhone 6 and touch typing with 2 hands.  I used it 
with a 5s before that.

It's a strange looking keyboard as there is a covering over the keys so that if 
something spills it does not go down between the keys and ruin the keyboard.  
It is super thin and way super light weight.

I was surprised when I received it since I ordered it sight unseen...just went 
on the description and reviews but I'm very happy with it.

Someone on this list said that it fits in a pocket...it must be a really big 
pocket.  grin

Kim


On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Kathy and Wilda  wrote:


  Is this really for the Iphone and can you use both hands?

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kim Samco
  Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 2:31 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

   

  I too have the Keys to Go keyboard and like it.  Yes, I type using both hands 
and I think it has great touch.  I ordered mine from Best Buy but they are also 
on Amazon.

   

  Kim

   

   


  On Nov 30, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Eva Abbas  wrote:

Hello Devin,

 

Thank you for your input on bluetooth keyboards.  Is the logitech keys 
to go the kind of keyboard where we can type on it with both hands?  If yes, it 
will be the best.  I don’t like a keyboard too small where I have to type only 
with one hand like the atguys one or too large where I won’t know where to put 
it.  Where do we buy the keys to go keyboard?

Kind regards

 

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

 

From: Devin Prater 

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:41 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I have the Logitech keys to go. Its a nice little keyboard, can fit into my 
pockets, I can type a little faster on it than a regular keyboard because its 
so small, well not as small as a keyboard from AT guys but small enough to 
work, but not be too bolky. It has a protective layer of a lethery stuff over 
it, so that food or spills won't get in the keys. Regarding the sexiness of the 
Apple keyboard, I'll say this. It wasn't so sexy when I dropped it, and the 
aluminum around the power button bent, so that the keyboard is now perminantly 
off. So no, no more Apple keyboard for me, nor ever. My only problem with the 
keys to go is that I don't know exactly when the keyboard is dying.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 28, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Eva Abbas  wrote:

  Hi Jenn,

   

  Thank you very much for your answer to my question.  I appreciate the 
info you wrote to me about the keyboards.

   

  God bless
  Eva
  ga...@rogers.com
  Your life is God's gift to you
  The way you live it is your gift to God

   

  From: Jennie Facer 

  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:41 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

   

  Hi,

   

  Apple does have a keyboard. It is about as fig as the L'ogitech keyboard. 
It runs around $70 also. Also, someone else suggested the keyboard from At 
guys. That is a very small keyboard about the size of a small candy bar. You 
can use only one hand for that one. She was right, it runs about $45. As for 
the L'ogitech, just do a search on Amazon for L'ogitech 810 or 811 and it will 
come up. I'm not sure about the other keyboard you mentioned. I'm not sure. I 
do know that they make a lot of different keyboards. 

   

  Jenn

  Jenn and Kumi


  On Nov 27, 2015, at 2:01 PM, Eva Abbas  wrote:

Hi Jen,

 

Thank you for your advice.  I found a logitech 3.0 keyboard.  What 
does that mean?  Is it an equivalent to 480k or 481 as you had suggested?  It 
is the brand of the source store not an original logitech.  How about apple 
keyboards?  Is there a good size not too large and not too small one?  Where do 
we find them?

Thank you once more

 

God bless
Eva
ga...@rogers.com
Your life is God's gift to you
The way you live it is your gift to God

 

From: Jennie Facer 

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:37 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: [Bulk] Bluetooth keyboard

 

I recommend 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Hi Jonathan,

I agree totally with what you're saying and will certainly be watching this 
space with interest. If anyone hears anything else which they consider to be 
credible, One way or the other, I am sure we will all want to know. Obviously, 
if they are going to take it away then we want the opportunity to shout loud 
and long! :) Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 1 Dec 2015, at 4:10 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
feeling increasingly trapped.
There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone that 
it's tricky to find an alternative for.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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http://Mosen.org

> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
> trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not know 
> what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not hearing 
> impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this possibility. We 
> don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is going to notice 
> one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy some stupid little 
> connector to use my headphones with? And they will probably charge $30 for it 
> even though the parts cost them five. And then when I lose said connector, 
> which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy another one. This just looks 
> like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make more money off of people who are 
> willing to keep paying top dollar for increasingly shoddy products. If they 
> did this, and android weren't such a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for 
> blind  screen reader users, I would really consider switching to android. 
> But, web browsing and continuous reading and some other things are still so 
> bad on that platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your 
> device efficiently. My opinion only of course.
> Mary
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>> 
>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
>> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>> ago. Here goes.
>> 
>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
>> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
>> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
>> 
>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
>> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and 
>> the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
>> 
>> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
>> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
>> solid state storage.
>> 
>> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
>> therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack 
>> just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and 
>> the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and 
>> functions, but Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop 
>> this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb 
>> results, and still tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
>> 
>> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? 
>> This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I 
>> made the right decision for my particular needs.
>> 
>> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
>> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
>> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
>> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
>> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
>> 
>> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
>> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
>> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty 
>> of grunt and is willing to lug it around.
>> 
>> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
>> usually now two 

Cannot delete text or email messages

[DJ Reese]

Hello list:

Got a iPhone 6 and a iPhone 6 plus running the latest IOS 9.1.  On the 
IPhone 6 I'm able to delete text messages and emails with the swipe 1 finger 
down jester.  However, same doesn't work on the iPhone 6 plus.  Any ideas or 
setting I need to change on the plus in order to get this feature to work as 
it should.  Thanks in advance.

DJ Reese

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Reading Files in Drop Box

[Lynda Ingraham]

Hi Nancy and All, 

 

The files I want to read were created in windows and saved in msword. I
tried to read line by line and still didn't do very well. Should I save the
files as txt files instead of msword? 

 

Thank you, 

 

Lynda 

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Re: Apple would be stupid to drop the iPhone headphone jack

[Monica Jones]

It's strange to think that they would even consider removing the headphone 
jack. I hadn't heard this. What is their reasoning?

I will read this.


-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:58 AM
To: VIPhone 'ChalmersAS' via
Subject: Apple would be stupid to drop the iPhone headphone jack

Here is an Apple fan publication  that agrees with us about the dropping of 
the headphone jack.


http://www.cultofmac.com/33/apple-would-be-stupid-to-drop-the-iphone-headphone-jack/


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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Margaret Booth]

I hope is just a roomor and apple doesn't get rid of the head phone jack. I use 
my head phones all of the time. 

Margaret 


Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Dec 2015, at 11:52 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Yes me too! Don't take away the headphone jack! Here in Mexico, where 
> Apple-specific adapters and the like are expensive, and sometimes hard to 
> come by since there's no Apple Store as of yet, there's nothing better to 
> grab any earphones and away connect them to my phone!
> 
> El 01/12/2015 10:59 a.m., 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone escribió:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> I agree totally with what you're saying and will certainly be watching this 
>> space with interest. If anyone hears anything else which they consider to be 
>> credible, One way or the other, I am sure we will all want to know. 
>> Obviously, if they are going to take it away then we want the opportunity to 
>> shout loud and long! :) Carol P
>> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
>> 
>> On 1 Dec 2015, at 4:10 p.m., Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
>> feeling increasingly trapped.
>> There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone 
>> that it's tricky to find an alternative for.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
>>> trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not 
>>> know what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not 
>>> hearing impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this 
>>> possibility. We don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is 
>>> going to notice one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy 
>>> some stupid little connector to use my   headphones 
>>> with? And they will probably charge $30 for it even though the parts cost 
>>> them five. And then when I lose said connector, which is almost inevitable, 
>>> I will get to buy another one. This just looks like a cheap crappy trick 
>>> for Apple to make more money off of people who are willing to keep paying 
>>> top dollar for increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, and android 
>>> weren't such a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind  screen 
>>> reader users, I would really consider switching to android. But, web 
>>> browsing and continuous reading and some other things are still so bad on 
>>> that platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your 
>>> device efficiently. My opinion only of course.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
 someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
 Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
 
 There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
 credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone 
 jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
 I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 
 hours ago. Here goes.
 
 I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
 determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
 need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
 
 When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
 absolutely   enormous, and I thought I’d never 
 get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and would never go back to a 
 smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen for Braille screen 
 input make it the right choice for me.
 
 After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 
 15-inch MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM 
 and 1TB solid state storage.
 
 Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
 therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my 
 backpack just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take 
 places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a 
 few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary operating system. 
 With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine 
 with superb results, and still tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
 
 Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? 
 This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon 

Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Cara Quinn]

Ed,

While I see your point, I also feel that there is absolutely nothing wrong with 
people expressing what they would like to see in a future product, especially 
since this is not just some off-the-wall rumor from a non-reputable source.

No one is panicking here. It looks to me as if everyone is managing themselves 
quite well in fact and simply considering offering some feedback that Apple can 
use. -Know what I mean?

This is, after all, what the feedback link is for, is it not? This link is for 
anyone to use, be they blind, visually impaired, or simply a non-disabled 
person who wants to share their thoughts.

So why not use it?…

Thanks a bunch for your post and please have a wonderful day / evening!

Cheers!

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:

Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions that 
Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same thing, 
Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that posted 
this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. If Apple 
removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work with what 
ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your displeasure on a 
product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t one to leave the 
disability community in the dark (pun intended). Just take a breath and relax. 
Apple won’t leave us out to dry.

Just my thoughts, so don’t jump down my throat.

Ed Worrell
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. I have said that I am an iphone user for life because I know 
> what it’s like to purchase a phone and then separately purchase software to 
> make it work for me. I’m sure most of us on this list know what that’s like. 
> We need to let them know now that we want them to keep this and how taking it 
> away will affect how we use the phone. I know lots of sighted folks who 
> absolutely love being able to use headphones with their iphones as well. I 
> will pass on the feedback link to them as well.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi Laury, no, it's a rumour. The dilemma we have is that if it's something 
> they're considering, and we do nothing now, it will be too late to change 
> things once Apple announce the new phones. So in my view it's better to be 
> proactive.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>  
> On 2/12/2015, at 11:22 AM, Laury-Johnson, Shawnese (LARA) 
>  wrote:
>  
> Thanks Jonathan I have definitely sent in my comments regarding this issue. 
> Is it a definite that future versions of the phone won’t have a headphone 
> jack? Having the ability to use my headphones allows me to send and receive 
> messages in private. I think it puts me at an even playing field with my 
> sighted peers. They can do this without anyone else knowing what they’re 
> doing. I know I’m preaching to the choir.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones
>  
> Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
> headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
> http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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Re: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Wouldn't the phone's native zoom function do that?
- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:05 PM
Subject: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?


A partially sighted coworker wants to know if there is a way she can use her 
iPhone like a CCTV, in that she wants either to take a 
picture of a document and have it magnified so she can read it from the screen. 
 Or, just have the camera focus on the document and 
magnify it, as does a CCTV.  I told her I thought this was possible, but I 
wasn't sure.  She is not wanting OCR, just to magnify the 
document.  Is this possible, either with the iPhone itself, or with an app, and 
if so, what is the name of the app?  Thanks in 
advance for any information.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Ok, tried this.  2 things though:
It asks about feedback type,  it might be worth us agreeing which is the 
appropriate option, as none  seem to isolate the point we 
want to put over here.
Second,  after clicking send feedback,  I got a page not found error.  I hope 
this is'n't the remote script that is meant to be 
catching this feedback.

Thanks, BobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:05 PM
Subject: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones


Hi everyone, Please take the time to tell Apple directly you want to keep the 
headphone jack on the iPhone. You can do it here. 
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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Re: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?

[Pete Nalda]

The native Zoom could be used to magnify images of documents, or what's in the 
camera lens, but it's really more for zooming smaller text on the phone itself. 

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> On Dec 2, 2015, at 1:29 AM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
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> 
> Wouldn't the phone's native zoom function do that?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Arnold Schmidt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:05 PM
> Subject: An iPhone Functioning as a CCTV?
> 
> 
> A partially sighted coworker wants to know if there is a way she can use her 
> iPhone like a CCTV, in that she wants either to take a 
> picture of a document and have it magnified so she can read it from the 
> screen.  Or, just have the camera focus on the document and 
> magnify it, as does a CCTV.  I told her I thought this was possible, but I 
> wasn't sure.  She is not wanting OCR, just to magnify the 
> document.  Is this possible, either with the iPhone itself, or with an app, 
> and if so, what is the name of the app?  Thanks in 
> advance for any information.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: Downcast major problem!

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Try powering down your phone. If this doesn't work uninstall and reinstall the 
app. Mine works fine after the update.

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hello,
> I downloaded the update to Downcast yesterday, and now nothing will play.  
> Not old episodes that I was saving, and not new episodes that I just 
> downloaded.
> I have tried taking downcast out of the app switcher and restarting my phone, 
> but nothing has helped.
> 
> Since I download my podcast to my device, I really do not want to delete the 
> app because I do not want to lose all of the episodes that I am saving.
> Does anyone have any suggestions, or know of a way that I can delete and 
> reinstall the app without losing all of the episodes I have currently saved.
> 
> I did send an email to the developer explaining the problem that has 
> occurred, but have not heard anything back.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Devin Prater]

Oh yes. Even though I'd be fine with using the lightning headphones, what will 
happen when they break? I'm not going to use bluetooth headphones, too much 
latency. The software and new, enovative features like that screen that can 
form braille or shapes feelable by the fingers, that's what Apple needs to work 
on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
> feeling increasingly trapped.
> There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone 
> that it's tricky to find an alternative for.
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>> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
>> trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not 
>> know what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not 
>> hearing impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this 
>> possibility. We don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is 
>> going to notice one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy 
>> some stupid little connector to use my headphones with? And they will 
>> probably charge $30 for it even though the parts cost them five. And then 
>> when I lose said connector, which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy 
>> another one. This just looks like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make 
>> more money off of people who are willing to keep paying top dollar for 
>> increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, and android weren't such a 
>> mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind  screen reader users, I would 
>> really consider switching to android. But, web browsing and continuous 
>> reading and some other things are still so bad on that platform that such a 
>> switch is untenable if you want to use your device efficiently. My opinion 
>> only of course.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>>> 
>>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone 
>>> jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>>> ago. Here goes.
>>> 
>>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
>>> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
>>> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
>>> 
>>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
>>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
>>> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and 
>>> the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
>>> 
>>> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
>>> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
>>> solid state storage.
>>> 
>>> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
>>> therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my 
>>> backpack just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take 
>>> places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a 
>>> few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary operating system. 
>>> With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine 
>>> with superb results, and still tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? 
>>> This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I 
>>> made the right decision for my particular needs.
>>> 
>>> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you 
>>> want to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is 
>>> just adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single 
>>> USB type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it 
>>> and charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
>>> 
>>> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
>>> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
>>> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty 
>>> of grunt and is willing to lug it around.
>>> 
>>> There is not so much flexibility in 

Lightening to VGA cable for iPad

[Cristóbal]

Hello list,

I was wondering if anyone’s used a lightening to VGA cable to connect an
iPad to a TV and whether it offers any advantage than simply buying an Apple
TV and airplaying video for example.

My mother has a Mini, but doesn’t own an Apple TV. I was thinking of getting
her either a connector such as this so she can mirror when she wants to see
something or if it would be simply easier to pick up a refurb third
generation Apple TV for $50 or $40. I think the official Apple VGA cable
already costs $50, but I’m sure if I look around, I can find it cheaper.

A fourth gen Apple TV is more than what she wants or needs and she’d be
happy simply throwing what’s on her iPad to the TV. Be it content in Safari
or any of the iOS streaming apps. Amazon Instant Video, Dish Anywhere, etc.

Just curious what or if at all one method has an advantage over the other.
Be it convenience, reliability or whatever.

The wife and I own two third gen Apple TVs and are perfectly happy with
them, but have never bothered looking into this way of connecting an
i-device to a television.

Thanks,

 

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Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Kerri G]

and if you share your net fix account with folks, they are stuck with the audio 
description being on as well.
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:48 AM, Blind Treasures  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
> support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
> Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending 
> on who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Grant
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
> To: Viphone List
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of 
> the Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries about 
> replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described 
> Netflix content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are 
> accessible that you use on a day to day basis?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Grant
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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Marie]

My opinion is winging it’s way to Apple.
Marie


From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. 
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:13 PM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

I hope everyone who doesn’t like this prospect drop Apple a note.

 

I usually send it to  accessibil...@apple.com, and ask them to forward it to 
the people at Apple who need to hear the message.

 

Keith

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

I feel strongly enough about this that the IPhone 6 could be my last IPhone. I 
absolutely refuse to use BT headphones because I dislike the sound and the 
hesitation when using anything BT. I have Sony headphones with retractable 
cords and fit over the top of my ears and the sound is terrific. I also have a 
Bose headset for times when I need to be able to answer the phone or control 
music, etc. without taking the phone out of my pocket. I actually prefer 
holding my old IPhone 4 because I like the size and even the thicker shape. I 
find it easier to hold on to without the need of any sort of case.

If Apple wanted to offer the phone with or without the headphone jack that 
would be great for those who prefer it without. But eliminating the jack and 
forcing you to use a stupid adapter would be, in my opinion, very foolish of 
them.

Marie

 

 

From: Jonathan Mosen 

Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 7:49 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets. 

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But 

Re: Tell Apple you want to keep the iPhone Jack in future iPhones

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Jonathon,

I understand. I watch the same blogs and patents as you do. I saw the patent a 
couple years ago for a thinner plug that would still use the standard 3.5 mm. 
plug. I am just saying that the internet is making a fire storm out of most 
likely nothing… At the end of the day Apple will do what ever Apple wants to 
do, and honestly we will all flock to Apple stores, and other retailers to 
purchase what ever new device they come out with, I am in this bunch. I love to 
see what is coming out next, and I like to think that watching patents keeps me 
ahead of the game, as it probably doesn’t but it’s kind of fun to watch the 
patent race. I really just think that all of the hype of Apple removing the 
head phone jack is really not that big of a deal, will it be annoying at first, 
definitely. will it change my feelings on the new iPhone, maybe. Will I still 
get the new iPhone at release, yes. I am just not sure why everyone is freaking 
out about it. Apple will give us head phones that work with what ever direction 
they want to go, and I am here for the ride.

JMO

Ed
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ed, not jumping down your throat at all, but let me offer some context if 
> I may.
> First, I know for a fact that Apple has been bothered by the 3.5MM headphone 
> jack, and the perception that it has stopped them from making the phone 
> thinner. I know this because  everything that Apple patents is publicly 
> searchable, and I take the time to monitor what Apple is patenting. It's 
> fascinating, and lets me see where tech might be going and what they're 
> thinking about. Some time ago, 2014 if I am remembering correctly, Apple 
> patented a new, proprietary headphone jack that is thinner. So we know the 
> issue of the size of the jack has been on its radar, and they care about the 
> issue enough to have publicly filed a patent for a new kind of jack that's 
> totally different from anything on the market.
> Second, I would have to disagree with your assessment of the source of this 
> news story. I read a lot of tech sites, and there are some that just 
> interview their own keyboards, so you're right to be skeptical. This 
> particular site is a credible Japanese tech news site, who, based on their 
> very good track record with Apple exclusives in the past, seems to have a 
> pretty good internal source within Apple. This internal Apple source is 
> saying that the discussion about the size of the headphone jack has resulted 
> in a compromise. It's saying they think the public backlash would be too 
> great if they included a special headphone jack, but putting a digital to 
> analogue converter in the Lightning connector would be a compromise Apple 
> could live with, and they think the public will accept.
> Another highly respected site, Cult of Mac, respects the original source 
> enough to have posted an article today, which Mary has posted to this list.
> No site gets it right 100% of the time, and I hope fervently that they got it 
> wrong this time. But the thing is, what if they're right? We may be early 
> enough in the iPhone 7 development process to stop it now, if we provide 
> constructive feedback that we value the jack.
> Finally, it's possible that Apple wants this to leak. I've done a lot of 
> public relations in technology, politics and other fields. It's a common 
> strategy that a company will let something leak that they know could be 
> controversial, so they can see what the fall-out might be like if they went 
> ahead with a certain course of action.
> So, for people like me who feel strongly about this issue, it takes me a few 
> minutes to craft a nicely worded bit of feedback about why I value the 
> headphone jack and send it off. If the rumour is completely erroneous, I 
> sacrificed five minutes of my time and it's no big deal. But if Apple are 
> thinking about it and can still change their minds at this point, I may have 
> made a small difference.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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>> On 2/12/2015, at 11:52 AM, Ed Worrell > > wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly why is everyone jumping to conclusions about this rumor? It is just 
>> that a rumor. Last year there was a rumor that Apple was going to include a 
>> projected keyboard in the iPhone.  People were not jumping to conclusions 
>> that Apple is going to take the on screen keyboard away… This is the same 
>> thing, Apple will not remove the head phone jack… Chances are  the blog that 
>> posted this runs on purely advertising. People clicked on the asinine rumor. 
>> If Apple removes the head phone jack they will include head phones that work 
>> with what ever plug or even bluetooth. Don’t jump ahead and report your 
>> displeasure on a product that still is more than 9 months away. Apple isn’t 
>> one to leave the 

inability to use iMessage

[Kerri G]

Hello, all. My friend has an iPad which is her only Apple device. When she is 
not on her home wifi (cox) but on her parents wifi (AT and T) she cannot send 
iMessages, receiving a message that says undeliverable. She can receive 
iMessages without an issue. What causes this and how can she rectify it/ thanks 
and have a great day. 

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Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Cara Quinn]

Hi Jonathan and all;

I absolutely agree here. I myself have been considering the possibility of 
other phone options in light of what I consider to be a real concern of 
degrading quality and user experience. Yes, I have felt trapped as well so to 
speak.

This is part of the reason I feel that as a community, now more than ever, we 
really need to be seeing ourselves not as iPhone users vs Android users, or 
Apple vs Windows users, but simply as blind or visually impaired people who 
need accessible technology in their lives.

I feel that we all need to really push for a good access experience in all of 
the technologies we need to rely on on a daily basis. I feel this is vitally 
important for us. We need to have choices at this point and companies need to 
know that we need this. This is not a want. This is not a nice-to-have at this 
point, this is a need.

Technology is now not only ubiquitous but is a crucial part of daily life for 
everyone and we absolutely need to stay in the forefront of all of it.

We have been fortunate to have this experience with Apple products and this has 
made so many people’s lives infinitely better. I not only wish to see this 
continue to go forward with Apple but also with Android and other technologies 
as well. Please know how important it is to support companies that are 
providing us with accessible offerings and that they need to know how much you 
need these but also how they can improve these experiences for all of us.

Remember, technology is a need for us now, the days of it being a nice-to-have 
are gone. The landscape has changed. Because of the place that technology now 
occupies in the world and in people’s lives, it is now basically a right. 
Developers and companies need to really understand this in a positive way. We 
can help them to do this.

Thanks for reading, and thanks to you all for such a great thread.

Have a great day!

Cheers!

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On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
feeling increasingly trapped.
There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone that 
it's tricky to find an alternative for.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
> trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not know 
> what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not hearing 
> impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this possibility. We 
> don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is going to notice 
> one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy some stupid little 
> connector to use my headphones with? And they will probably charge $30 for it 
> even though the parts cost them five. And then when I lose said connector, 
> which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy another one. This just looks 
> like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make more money off of people who are 
> willing to keep paying top dollar for increasingly shoddy products. If they 
> did this, and android weren't such a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for 
> blind  screen reader users, I would really consider switching to android. 
> But, web browsing and continuous reading and some other things are still so 
> bad on that platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your 
> device efficiently. My opinion only of course.
> Mary
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>> 
>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
>> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>> ago. Here goes.
>> 
>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
>> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
>> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
>> 
>> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
>> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
>> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and 
>> the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Marshall Scott]

I may be particularly stupid this morning, but how do you suggest that we do 
so.  Do organizations like ACB and NFB do anything to make these kind of 
suggestions?
Thanks,
Marshall

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all;
> 
> I absolutely agree here. I myself have been considering the possibility of 
> other phone options in light of what I consider to be a real concern of 
> degrading quality and user experience. Yes, I have felt trapped as well so to 
> speak.
> 
> This is part of the reason I feel that as a community, now more than ever, we 
> really need to be seeing ourselves not as iPhone users vs Android users, or 
> Apple vs Windows users, but simply as blind or visually impaired people who 
> need accessible technology in their lives.
> 
> I feel that we all need to really push for a good access experience in all of 
> the technologies we need to rely on on a daily basis. I feel this is vitally 
> important for us. We need to have choices at this point and companies need to 
> know that we need this. This is not a want. This is not a nice-to-have at 
> this point, this is a need.
> 
> Technology is now not only ubiquitous but is a crucial part of daily life for 
> everyone and we absolutely need to stay in the forefront of all of it.
> 
> We have been fortunate to have this experience with Apple products and this 
> has made so many people’s lives infinitely better. I not only wish to see 
> this continue to go forward with Apple but also with Android and other 
> technologies as well. Please know how important it is to support companies 
> that are providing us with accessible offerings and that they need to know 
> how much you need these but also how they can improve these experiences for 
> all of us.
> 
> Remember, technology is a need for us now, the days of it being a 
> nice-to-have are gone. The landscape has changed. Because of the place that 
> technology now occupies in the world and in people’s lives, it is now 
> basically a right. Developers and companies need to really understand this in 
> a positive way. We can help them to do this.
> 
> Thanks for reading, and thanks to you all for such a great thread.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Cara
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> 
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> 
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> 
> https://twitter.com/ModelCara
> 
> On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary, yes, when it comes to mobile phones at least, I must confess to 
> feeling increasingly trapped.
> There are excellent alternative tablets and computers, but it's the phone 
> that it's tricky to find an alternative for.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 2/12/2015, at 5:02 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
>> trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not 
>> know what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not 
>> hearing impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this 
>> possibility. We don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is 
>> going to notice one stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy 
>> some stupid little connector to use my headphones with? And they will 
>> probably charge $30 for it even though the parts cost them five. And then 
>> when I lose said connector, which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy 
>> another one. This just looks like a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make 
>> more money off of people who are willing to keep paying top dollar for 
>> increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, and android weren't such a 
>> mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind  screen reader users, I would 
>> really consider switching to android. But, web browsing and continuous 
>> reading and some other things are still so bad on that platform that such a 
>> switch is untenable if you want to use your device efficiently. My opinion 
>> only of course.
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
>>> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
>>> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>>> 
>>> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
>>> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone 
>>> jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
>>> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
>>> ago. Here goes.
>>> 
>>> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 

Re: Changing email address

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Is this in any kind of instructions elsewhere?  I've never heard of this before.
I can understand the need to keep 'bots off a list, but making users jump 
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The listserve checks this with a confirmation message user has to respond to.

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Re: Zedge version 2.5 app accessible

[Gerald Mader]

What is the link to the ZEDGE website? This is really my first time ever using 
this for ringtones. Are used to use
 Audiko but I can't anymore because they have their own app and every time you 
try to go to the website it immediately pops up something about a new app but 
whenever you try to download it says that it can't be downloaded in the US App 
Store. Do you know if there's any other sites like this when you can get free 
ringtones? While  zedge is a pretty popular One  I've heard it doesn't have 
that many good ringtones that I like and I'm just trying to find other places 
to go get ringtones. Thanks again. Jerry Mader
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:25 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry,
> 
> The only way to get ringtones from the Zedge app to your phone is via iTunes. 
> If you double tap on a ringtone there is a "Save" button on that screen. This 
> will save the ringtone in the app, you then have to connect the iPhone to 
> itunes, go to the File Sharing area, find the Zedge app which will be listed 
> as an app for which file sharing is available and then save the shared files 
> to a location on your computer. I guess if you do in fact get there it would 
> be easiest to save them directly to the automatically Add to iTunes folder. 
> If you successfully save a ringtones or multiple ringtones, they would then 
> be moved to the Tones folder and automatically added to your tones library, 
> then all you have to do is sync your phone.
> 
> I have not tried this recently, but I understand from other posts I have read 
> that in the current version of iTunes the file sharing area is rather 
> inaccessible. I am not sure if it is completely inaccessible or simply not 
> easy to use. 
> 
> As I said in my previous post, I find it much easier to download the 
> ringtones from the Zedge website. I use Jaws 17 and don't know anything about 
> NVDA, but I assume it has some of the same features as in quick navigation to 
> headings, buttons and so on. A really useful feature to find the required 
> buttons and links on the Zedge website is the virtual find feature in Jaws. 
> If NVDA has something like that, you can just search for the word "View" once 
> you have activated the link for a ringtone. Activating the "View|" link will 
> play the tone, then there is a "get" button or link, but it is Get followed 
> by a bunch of information. Once you activarte that there will be a Download 
> link and once you activate it you just have to interact with the Internet 
> Explorer information bar (if IE is what you use) and tell it to "Open" or 
> "Save" the tone. I usually choose Save, this saves it in my Downloads folder 
> and from there I copy it to my Automatically Add to ITunes folder.
> 
> I was all happy when I saw the Share button in the Zedge app and thought I 
> could now simply email the tone to myself or, even better, use the "Save to 
> Dropbox" option. However, after I saved what I thought were a bunch of 
> ringtones I went to my Dropbox only to discover that all the app saves is a 
> small text file with a link to the ringtone on the Zedge app. The same goes 
> for when you select to share via email or text message,, all you get is the 
> link. But it may still be useful since this will go straight to the ringtone 
> on the Zedge website and since at that point you most likely already listened 
> to it on the iPhone, you can then just download it.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gerald Mader
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Zedge version 2.5 app accessible
> 
> I have a question about this app. How do I get the ring tones from this app 
> into my ringtones folder? Instead of downloading them from the website is 
> there any other way to do it? And is that way accessible for those of us who 
> have the NVDA screen reading application? Thank you. Jerry Mader
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jed,
>> 
>> When you say that you "download" the ringtone, do you mean you use a PC and 
>> the Zedge website? If so the ringtone will be saved in your downloads 
>> folder. Before it will be available on your iPhone as a ringtone under 
>> Sounds > Ringtones you have to first copy or move the file from the 
>> downloads folder to the Automatically Add to iTunes folder which is located 
>> in \music\iTunes\iTunes Media (in the case of a PC). After that go to 
>> iTunes, connect your phone, go to the device section, find Tones in the 
>> treeview which starts with Summary at the top and then sync the ringtone.
>> Also, make sure what you are downloading is in M4R format. There is a way on 
>> the Zedge website to tell it that you are using an iPhone and then all the 
>> ringtones you download will be in the correct format with 

RE: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Blind Treasures]

I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending on 
who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!


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Grant
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
To: Viphone List
Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

Hi Sieghard,

Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of the 
Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries about 
replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described Netflix 
content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are accessible 
that you use on a day to day basis?

Thanks so much!

Grant

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Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Jonathan Mosen]

Cara's post was very well stated.
One thing I would add is that some of us have paid to be iOS testers before 
public betas were available, and diligently reported bugs before release. So 
even if Apple's own QA people missed issues like the touch tone bug in iOS 8, 
or the call answering bugs in iOS 9 that completely incapacitated the phone for 
some of us, they had the data from users. They made a conscious choice to 
release product with those bugs unfixed. Every software has bugs, but it isn't 
acceptable that such mission critical bugs are deemed OK to impose on blind 
people, when if they had affected sighted people, there would have been 
mass-media outrage.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 30/11/2015, at 6:27 PM, Cristóbal  wrote:
> 
> These are all salient points to consider, but also considering the sheer 
> amount of cash Apple has at its disposal, I'm reluctant to cut Apple much if 
> any slack on problematic issues like this. They have the resources available 
> to them that if they wanted to make dealing with and avoiding accessibility 
> bugs and limitations a priority, they could do so without skipping a beat. I 
> mean come on, they have so much available cash on hand that they make Scrooge 
> McDuck look like some bum scrounging for quarters in the gutter.
> There is absolutely no reason why their accessibility department or any 
> department under the Apple umbrella should be understaffed or stretched thin.
> Even with the new Apple TV OS aside, a lot of these bugs already discussed 
> are either newly introduced bugs not present in older iterations of software 
> or hardware or have solutions to them when using alternative assistive 
> technology I.E. Windows screen readers, Android OS, etc. Often pretty basic 
> and essential stuff. Cara's highlighting of the dial tone bug with VO is a 
> perfect example of this.
> I can understand the challenges where you're developing new technologies and 
> figuring out stuff as you go along, and maybe in this case, there simply 
> aren't enough people or knowledge out there to address all the inevitable 
> road blocks that pop up as part of the process, but for well established 
> fields and problems that at this point shouldn’t be problems anymore, again, 
> no slack to be cut.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marshall Scott
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
> I think there are two major reasons for the recent problems with 
> accessibility at Apple.  The first is that Apple now has to develop and 
> support software and hardware for four product lines.  These lines are OS X, 
> iOS for iDevices, the apple Watch and finally Apple TV.  Apple also has to 
> support older devices like the iPhone 4S.  The differences between these 
> products may be slight but they have to be tested.
> The second issue is that Apple has decided on a 12 month release schedule.  
> As a former programmer, I feel like this is too short a development cycle to 
> really fix bugs in software
> Just my opinion.
> Marshall
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
>> 
>> ben, I couldn’t agree with you more here.
>> 
>> I feel now that the more we are complacent about quietly dealing with the 
>> mounting accessibility issues over the various OS roll-outs and new Apple 
>> products, the worse this situation is unfortunately likely to become.
>> 
>> The truth is that Apple has been doing incredible things in the access world 
>> over the last several years and they really should be settling into their 
>> groove now, not out of it.
>> 
>> Unfortunately though, the later seems to be what is happening.
>> 
>> Now I know that the accessibility team is stretched thin and has been for 
>> some time now, and they are truly committed people who really do work hard 
>> to make these technologies work for us, but some of these issues are QA 
>> (quality assurance) issues in my opinion. Some of these obvious issues need 
>> to be given higher priority than they seem to be receiving. Now I know that 
>> there is a lot going on inside Apple that I am not aware of so some of what 
>> I say may be well out of line here, (and I do apologize if this is the case) 
>> but as a consumer and long-time advocate of Appel’s efforts, I feel I do 
>> have some right to express these sentiments.
>> 
>> The people on the accessibility team are awesome folks but the fact is that 
>> more and more, visually impaired consumers are having to deal with what I do 
>> feel is becoming somewhat second-rate access experiences with some Apple 
>> products and /or OS releases. This is simply unacceptable.
>> 
>> I know this is anything but intentional on the part of the access team but 
>> it is still simply 

Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Wayne, it's useful when you want to bypass VO gestures. So let's say you 
have a virtual piano, and all you want to do is press on the keys and play. You 
wouldn't want to have to double tap each key.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 2/12/2015, at 3:22 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> I've observed that Direct Touch is appearing more and more in my
> rodar, such as in the TuneIn Radio app. I often come across it. What
> are some examples of where it can be useful? I'm not completely
> understanding how it would work or benefit me to turn on in the rodar.
> 
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> 
> On 11/30/15, Monica Jones  wrote:
>> Oh, I see, and, yes, you got the feature right. Itleft my brain the other
>> night. Thanks bunches.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Jonathan Mosen
>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:46 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6
>> 
>> Hi Monica, sounds like you're thinking of 3D Touch. This feature I'm
>> describing isn't related to that.
>> Yes, this is an iOS feature rather than a feature specific to any model, so
>> it'll be on your 5s too. What happens is that developers have the
>> opportunity to disable typical VO gestures for certain parts of the screen,
>> in specific situations where it makes sense to do so. That's how the
>> gestures work in the Blindfold Games, and also how a VO user can use Garage
>> Band. So in the rare cases when they enable this feature, this new rotor
>> option becomes available automatically.
>> 
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>  On 28/11/2015, at 5:09 PM, Monica Jones  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi Jonathan, I haven’t seen this before; is it in 5S too? I know the
>> dimensiontouch things aren’t here for us so wondered. I called this the
>> wrong thing, but I can’t think of the correct thing but I first read of it
>> in your wonderful book and saw podcasts from AppleVis. Oh, it’s the thing
>> with pop and peak, etc.
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Jonathan Mosen
>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:23 PM
>>  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>  Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6
>> 
>>  Hi Chris, when you're in game play in one of the Blindfold games, use your
>> rotor. You'll find a rotor option that's not usually there called Direct
>> touch. It will be set to off. You want to turn it on.
>> 
>>  Jonathan Mosen
>>  Mosen Consulting
>>  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>  http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>On 26/11/2015, at 6:33 AM, Chris Chaffin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>I am having a major problem with voice over in a couple of situations.
>>Now all of a sudden, in order to play any of the Blindfold games, I have
>> to turn off voice over in order to play the game, but I have to have voice
>> over on to do the menus and make my selections.  It is only during actually
>> playing the game that with voice over on does nothing.
>> 
>>The only other app that does not now work with voice over on is
>> MBraille.  Now of the gestures work, and if I try typing with MBraille
>> nothing happens at all.
>> 
>>At first, I just thought maybe one of the blindfold games just needed to
>> be reinstalled.  But this happens no matter which of the games I try to
>> play.
>> 
>>I have restarted voice over, cleaned out my app switcher and restarted
>> my phone, and I even tried to reset network settings.
>>It does not make sense tome, but the on screen braille input does still
>> work.  I am not sure why that works and not MBraille.
>> 
>>If anyone has seen this before, or knows anything that might help things
>> work normal again, please let me know!!
>> 
>>Thanks for any help,
>> 
>>Chris
>> 
>> 
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Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6

[Alex Stone]

I must admit, it doesn't appear in my rotor as often as I'd like it to. 
There are a few apps I use where I need gestures to go directly to the 
app, and  they often won't.


On 01/12/2015 15:35, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Wayne, it's useful when you want to bypass VO gestures. So let's 
say you have a virtual piano, and all you want to do is press on the 
keys and play. You wouldn't want to have to double tap each key.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

On 2/12/2015, at 3:22 AM, Wayne Merritt > wrote:


I've observed that Direct Touch is appearing more and more in my
rodar, such as in the TuneIn Radio app. I often come across it. What
are some examples of where it can be useful? I'm not completely
understanding how it would work or benefit me to turn on in the rodar.

Thanks,
Wayne

On 11/30/15, Monica Jones > wrote:
Oh, I see, and, yes, you got the feature right. Itleft my brain the 
other

night. Thanks bunches.


From: Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6

Hi Monica, sounds like you're thinking of 3D Touch. This feature I'm
describing isn't related to that.
Yes, this is an iOS feature rather than a feature specific to any 
model, so

it'll be on your 5s too. What happens is that developers have the
opportunity to disable typical VO gestures for certain parts of the 
screen,

in specific situations where it makes sense to do so. That's how the
gestures work in the Blindfold Games, and also how a VO user can use 
Garage

Band. So in the rare cases when they enable this feature, this new rotor
option becomes available automatically.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

 On 28/11/2015, at 5:09 PM, Monica Jones  wrote:

 Hi Jonathan, I haven’t seen this before; is it in 5S too? I know the
dimensiontouch things aren’t here for us so wondered. I called this the
wrong thing, but I can’t think of the correct thing but I first read 
of it
in your wonderful book and saw podcasts from AppleVis. Oh, it’s the 
thing

with pop and peak, etc.


 From: Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:23 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6

 Hi Chris, when you're in game play in one of the Blindfold games, 
use your

rotor. You'll find a rotor option that's not usually there called Direct
touch. It will be set to off. You want to turn it on.

 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

   On 26/11/2015, at 6:33 AM, Chris Chaffin 
wrote:


   I am having a major problem with voice over in a couple of 
situations.
   Now all of a sudden, in order to play any of the Blindfold games, 
I have
to turn off voice over in order to play the game, but I have to have 
voice
over on to do the menus and make my selections.  It is only during 
actually

playing the game that with voice over on does nothing.

   The only other app that does not now work with voice over on is
MBraille.  Now of the gestures work, and if I try typing with MBraille
nothing happens at all.

   At first, I just thought maybe one of the blindfold games just 
needed to

be reinstalled.  But this happens no matter which of the games I try to
play.

   I have restarted voice over, cleaned out my app switcher and 
restarted

my phone, and I even tried to reset network settings.
   It does not make sense tome, but the on screen braille input does 
still

work.  I am not sure why that works and not MBraille.

   If anyone has seen this before, or knows anything that might help 
things

work normal again, please let me know!!

   Thanks for any help,

   Chris



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Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.
I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours 
.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
have been available since 2014.

According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to analogue 
converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There is no word 
in the story that this Lightning port would be in addition to the one already 
on iPhones, implying that you’ll have one port for both charging your device 
and listening to wired headphones or connecting the device to a mixer.

My first objection to this rumour is a philosophical one. 3.5mm headphone jacks 
are ubiquitous. The standard is supported by a massive number of manufacturers. 
It would be sad if Apple required its users to carry a proprietary adapter, 
probably sold separately, to connect standard equipment to their single 
proprietary port. But they’ve done this before. Even on my maxed out MacBook 
Pro, I have to buy a 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Feliciano Godoy]

I didn't like the idea of the 3.5 mm headphone jack  removal in the future 
iPhones if it were to be true. I was thinking, they may have some sort of 
lightning connector for the headphones, which means that Apple would probably 
sell  a 3.5 mm to lightning connector adapter. Sounds like something they would 
do just to Paten   such adapter.


Regards,
Feliciano
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> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
> 
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
> 
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> 
> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
> of us really, genuinely need it.
> 
> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
> because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
> the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.
> 
> If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
> Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
> have been available since 2014.
> 
> According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to 
> analogue converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There 
> is no word in the story that this 

RE: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[cd]

I don’t think you are in the minority.  This would be a horrible thing as at 
least for me I find the regular Bluetooth a nightmare with the latest IOS 
update especially.  Give me my corded headset any time!  Yes this would truly 
suck!

 

Carla

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

 

Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether Apple 
may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.

 

There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been credible, 
that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, so Apple can 
make the phone thinner.

I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
ago. Here goes.

 

I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.

When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed absolutely 
enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 6s Plus and 
would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the bigger screen 
for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.

After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB solid 
state storage.

Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.

Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
right decision for my particular needs.

There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want to 
go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB type 
C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and charge it. 
And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.

So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of the 
road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word processing, 
email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of grunt and is 
willing to lug it around.

There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are usually 
now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. So when I 
read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack in iPhone 7 
models, it had me concerned.

Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt 
that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.

You can read an English summary of the story at  

 Mac Rumours.

Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of the 
headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some of us 
really, genuinely need it.

The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If they removed 
the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the thickness of the phone.

If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning port 
have been available since 2014.

According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to analogue 
converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm headphones. There is no word 
in the story that this Lightning port would be in addition to the one already 
on iPhones, implying that you’ll have one port for both charging your device 
and 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Alex Stone]

Jonathan, I completely agree. I too thought the 6plus was enormous when 
I bought it, and like you I wouldn't want to have to go back to a 
smaller iPhone now unless I absolutely had to.


On 01/12/2015 15:49, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised 
by someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure 
whether Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this 
idea gets.


There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone 
jack, so Apple can make the phone thinner.
I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 
hours ago. Here goes.


I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion 
that determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the 
performance I need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.


When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m 
on the 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The 
battery life and the bigger screen for Braille screen input make it 
the right choice for me.


After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 
15-inch MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of 
RAM and 1TB solid state storage.


Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve 
therefore given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my 
backpack just fine when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take 
places, and the thing is, it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X 
for a few apps and functions, but Windows is still my primary 
operating system. With a laptop this fast and powerful, I can run JAWS 
in a virtual machine with superb results, and still tend to iMessages 
and FaceTime calls.


Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I 
done? This thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds 
me that I made the right decision for my particular needs.


There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If 
you want to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, 
which is just adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It 
sports a single USB type C port, which is the only way both to connect 
peripherals to it and charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it 
charitably, an acquired taste.


So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the 
needs of the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit 
of word processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who 
needs plenty of grunt and is willing to lug it around.


There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen 
sizes. So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm 
headphone jack in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.


Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no 
official statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a 
rumour. But I read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know 
which sources tend to be more reliable. The source of this story, the 
Japanese technology site Mac Otakara, has a good track record. No news 
site that reports things like this gets it right 100% of the time 
though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to monitor customer 
reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no doubt that 
decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably have 
already been taken.


You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours 
.


Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a 
defence of the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be 
a big deal. Some of us really, genuinely need it.


The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed 
with, because it’s preventing Apple from making the iPhone thinner. If 
they removed the jack, they could shave more than 1mm off the 
thickness of the phone.


If this rumour is correct, Apple would probably include Earpods with a 
Lightning connector, since specs for headphones that use the Lightning 
port have been available since 2014.


According to the story, the Lightning port would include a digital to 
analogue converter, so you’d still be able to connect 3.5mm 
headphones. There is no word in the story that this Lightning port 
would be in addition to the one already on iPhones, implying that 
you’ll have one port for both charging your device and listening to 
wired headphones or connecting the device to a mixer.


My first objection to this rumour is a philosophical one. 3.5mm 
headphone jacks are ubiquitous. The standard is supported by a massive 
number of 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Mary Otten]

Hi Jonathan,
I saw the same article you did in mac rumors. I admit that I have not been 
trolling the Apple forums or the MacRumors comment sections, so I do not know 
what the public reaction to that story has been. But, while I am not hearing 
impaired, I absolutely join you in your condemnation of this possibility. We 
don't need thinner iPhones. We just don't. And 1 mm? Who is going to notice one 
stinking millimeter? For that, Apple will make me buy some stupid little 
connector to use my headphones with? And they will probably charge $30 for it 
even though the parts cost them five. And then when I lose said connector, 
which is almost inevitable, I will get to buy another one. This just looks like 
a cheap crappy trick for Apple to make more money off of people who are willing 
to keep paying top dollar for increasingly shoddy products. If they did this, 
and android weren't such a mess in some fairly fundamental ways for blind  
screen reader users, I would really consider switching to android. But, web 
browsing and continuous reading and some other things are still so bad on that 
platform that such a switch is untenable if you want to use your device 
efficiently. My opinion only of course.
Mary

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:49 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
> 
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
> 
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> 
> Even if the story is wrong, 

Re: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away

[Mary Otten]

I certainly agree about the current state of Bluetooth. With iOS 9 and my 
iPhone, it is horrible. There are weird volume issues among other things, along 
with the ridiculous latency, which instead of getting better with the new 
Bluetooth standard, has actually gotten worse. Rather than screw around trying 
to make something unnoticeably thinner, Apple needs to dig in and fix the 
problems that they keep not fixing as new iterations of software roll out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 7:59 AM, cd  wrote:
> 
> I don’t think you are in the minority.  This would be a horrible thing as at 
> least for me I find the regular Bluetooth a nightmare with the latest IOS 
> update especially.  Give me my corded headset any time!  Yes this would truly 
> suck!
>  
> Carla
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:49 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple, Don't Take my Headphone Jack Away
>  
> Hi everyone, I waited a few days to see if this issue might be raised by 
> someone else. But I'll raise it here myself, because I'm not sure whether 
> Apple may be flying a kite here and seeing what reaction this idea gets.
>  
> There's an unconfirmed rumour from a source that has in the past been 
> credible, that the next generation iPhone will not include a headphone jack, 
> so Apple can make the phone thinner.
> I'm pasting a blog post that I wrote and published on this subject 72 hours 
> ago. Here goes.
>  
> I like thin, lightweight technology, but it isn’t the only criterion that 
> determines what I use. If thin and light doesn’t give me the performance I 
> need, I’m happy to choose something heavier or bigger.
> 
> When the iPhone 6 Plus came out, I bought one. Initially, it seemed 
> absolutely enormous, and I thought I’d never get used to it. Now I’m on the 
> 6s Plus and would never go back to a smaller iPhone. The battery life and the 
> bigger screen for Braille screen input make it the right choice for me.
> 
> After being a MacBook Air user for three years, I recently bought a 15-inch 
> MacBook Pro with all the specs maxed out. It includes 16GB of RAM and 1TB 
> solid state storage.
> 
> Compared to my MacBook Air, the Pro feels heavy and thick, and I’ve therefore 
> given it the nickname “The Big Kahuna”. But it fits in my backpack just fine 
> when I travel, it isn’t really that arduous to take places, and the thing is, 
> it goes like a rocket. I enjoy having OS X for a few apps and functions, but 
> Windows is still my primary operating system. With a laptop this fast and 
> powerful, I can run JAWS in a virtual machine with superb results, and still 
> tend to iMessages and FaceTime calls.
> 
> Sometimes I pick up my old MacBook Air and think, “oy, what have I done? This 
> thing is so cute!” But the performance factor soon reminds me that I made the 
> right decision for my particular needs.
> 
> There’s plenty of choice of form factor in the MacBook line now. If you want 
> to go ultra-portable, there’s the new 12-inch retina MacBook, which is just 
> adorably thin and light, with compromises to match. It sports a single USB 
> type C port, which is the only way both to connect peripherals to it and 
> charge it. And the keyboard is, to put it charitably, an acquired taste.
> 
> So when it comes to Mac, Apple now has a line-up that can meet the needs of 
> the road warrior who wants something really light for a bit of word 
> processing, email and web surfing, all the way to someone who needs plenty of 
> grunt and is willing to lug it around.
> 
> There is not so much flexibility in the iPhone stable, where there are 
> usually now two current models with similar specs but different screen sizes. 
> So when I read a rumour that Apple may dispense with the 3.5mm headphone jack 
> in iPhone 7 models, it had me concerned.
> 
> Before I explain why, let me be clear that Apple itself has made no official 
> statement about the future of the headphone jack. It’s only a rumour. But I 
> read a lot of technology sources, and have come to know which sources tend to 
> be more reliable. The source of this story, the Japanese technology site Mac 
> Otakara, has a good track record. No news site that reports things like this 
> gets it right 100% of the time though. It’s also possible that Apple wants to 
> monitor customer reaction to the idea, by letting it leak. But there’s no 
> doubt that decisions as fundamental as this are being taken now, or probably 
> have already been taken.
> 
> You can read an English summary of the story at Mac Rumours.
> Even if the story is wrong, and I hope it is, I want to write a defence of 
> the headphone jack for those who think its loss wouldn’t be a big deal. Some 
> of us really, genuinely need it.
> 
> The story suggests that the 3.5mm headphone jack will be dispensed with, 
> because it’s preventing Apple from making the 

Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts

[Gianni]

I would like to watch live sport events.

What are the apps you guys use on a day to day basis on the apple tv 4?


Gianni

Skype: giannijuve
Sent from my iPhone

> Op 1-dec.-2015 om 11:48 heeft Blind Treasures  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> I'm not Sieghard, but keep in mind that right now the apple TV 4 does not 
> support described audio from Netflix out of the box. You will need to call 
> Netflix technical support and request that they enable it for you. Depending 
> on who you call it could be a struggle. Good luck!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Grant
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:36 PM
> To: Viphone List
> Subject: Re: apple tv 4th generation thoughts
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> Following the discussion on the Viphone list about the latest generation of 
> the Apple TV, I am writing to you to ask a couple questions. No worries about 
> replying if you’re too busy. Do you find that you can access described 
> Netflix content from your Apple TV? Also, have you found any apps which are 
> accessible that you use on a day to day basis?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> 
> Grant
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Hardware: Talking Clock Radio with iPhone Dock

[Craig Borne]

Hello list,

I went through the archives and couldn't find any past messages on point.
Does anyone know of a talking clock radio that is accessible and that also
has an iPhone dock for an iPhone 6 or higher?  I searched the web but can't
find this combination.

Thank you for any suggestions you have.

Craig

 

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EJust added outlook to my phone and have some questions about email sorry can't get to the body of the email so how do I do that. Thanks. God bless, Wren Langley

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Re: Changing email address

[Christopher Chaltain]

The confirmation message will guarantee it's a valid email address, and 
it'll help keep people from subscribing someone else, but it's not a 
guard against bots.


I seem to recall joining the list on line and was prompted for a reason.

On 01/12/15 02:43, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote:

Is this in any kind of instructions elsewhere?  I've never heard of this before.
I can understand the need to keep 'bots off a list, but making users jump 
through hoops too is pushing the envelope of credibility a
teeny bit much.

The listserve checks this with a confirmation message user has to respond to.

R!
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Send another subscription request, including at least one sentence such as you 
are already a member who wishes to add another email
address and I will approve it.

I’m fighting a terrible cold so it may take a day or so before I can do so.

Mark

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Hello all,
I tried to subscribe to the list with my new email address and for some reason 
it was denied. My new email address is:
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How can I subscribe with my new email address?

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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Christopher Chaltain]

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and 
announcements from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS 
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the 
case.


On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:

How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?

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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.

It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to be 
the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 4S. 
I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that things 
took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was released. 
That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer phone.

On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:

It's the same as buying a computer.

Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's
release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be
the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's
only one year-old.

The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle
the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.

You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system
will have greater demands put on the device.

So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was
running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS
updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to
the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.

When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older
3GS, or the 4S.

Good luck in what ever you choose to do.


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-Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you
define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better
specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a
longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
  From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the
same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.

On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:

Thank you all for your comments.
I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was
all they could get shall have to ask more questions.

I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly
better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa

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From: "Tessa" 
To: "VIPhone" 
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: upgrading from 4s


: Hi:
: My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it
signifficantly
: better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra
couple
: hundred for a newer model?
: I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music
assorted games
: and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general
is wrong
: more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is
vastly
: improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I
do very
: limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s be
a
: signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told
the 5s
: only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't
decide LOL.
: Any thoughts? Thanks.
: Tessa
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Re: upgrading from 4s

[Gerardo Corripio]

Let's hope this second-hand 4s can get maybe at least minimum a year and a half 
use! I want to get the most out of it! Here in Mexico going for the most recent 
IPhone model is expensive! And if I can, I wouldn't wamt to have to go back to 
ny Motoroloa G 2nd! But that's for another forum! Anyway, I'm hoping to get the 
most out of this 4s as possible!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El 01/12/2015, a las 1:38 a.m., 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
>  escribió:
> 
> I don't know, but think that by the end of this year people are going to have 
> to think seriously about upgrading. For me, I am glad I have made the move, 
> because my for S was getting a little slow and sluggish with speech. I don't 
> think it would be quite so bad for those who do not need voice-over. Anyway, 
> that's just a guess!
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P
> Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
> 
> On 1 Dec 2015, at 5:00 a.m., kimmie parutu  wrote:
> 
> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
> 
> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
> 
> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer 
> phone.
> 
>> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>> 
>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>> only one year-old.
>> 
>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>> 
>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>> 
>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more iOS 
>> updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became to 
>> the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>> 
>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the older 
>> 3GS, or the 4S.
>> 
>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>> 
>> 
>> Victor Gouveia
>> Vice-President
>> Training Coordinator
>> VIP Tech
>> Tel: 1-888-640-6661
>> Fax: 1-888-640-6669
>> Home: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
>> Work: viptrain...@rogers.com
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>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>> 
>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have better 
>> specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen and a 
>> longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on line.
>> From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making the 
>> same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>> 
>>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>>> Thank you all for your comments.
>>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb was 
>>> all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>>> 
>>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tessa" 
>>> To: "VIPhone" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
>>> Subject: upgrading from 4s
>>> 
>>> 
>>> : Hi:
>>> : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
>>> signifficantly
>>> : better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the extra 
>>> couple
>>> : hundred for a newer model?
>>> : I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music 
>>> assorted games
>>> : and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in general 
>>> is wrong
>>> : more often than right and so use 

RE: upgrading from 4s

[kimmie parutu]

It was probably very sluggish though and slow yeah?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2015 1:00 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s

I suspect it won't be supported after IOS 9, but only time and announcements 
from Apple will tell. Most people would have said that IOS
9 wouldn't have been supported on the 4S, but this obviously wasn't the case.

On 30/11/15 23:00, kimmie parutu wrote:
> How long do you think the 4S is going to handle future changes?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 3:38 p.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>
> The pace of advancement in computers has slowed down. It isn't true that a 
> computer is obsolete in six months any more. That being said, the reason 
> advancements in computers has slowed down is because the effort has moved to 
> mobile devices. So what you say is still true for mobile devices.
>
> It's also a fallacy that newer operating systems mean older devices will run 
> slower. This is true when new features are added and enough attention isn't 
> paid to performance, but IOS 9 is a good example where this doesn't need to 
> be the case. IOS 9 has breathed life into older devices such as the iPhone 
> 4S. I've been using an iPhone 4S since it came out, and I never found that 
> things took forever, but it did get a boost in performance when IOS 9 was 
> released. That doesn't mean it isn't going to suffer when compared to a newer 
> phone.
>
> On 30/11/15 15:52, Victor Gouveia wrote:
>> It's the same as buying a computer.
>>
>> Remember that technology becomes obsolete within six months of it's 
>> release, so, if you think of it in terms of a computer, it would be 
>> the same as buying a two year-old computer, versus a computer that's 
>> only one year-old.
>>
>> The younger computer has newer technology, and can therefore handle 
>> the demands of the computer more easily than the older two year-old system.
>>
>> You might also have to think that the more advanced operating system 
>> will have greater demands put on the device.
>>
>> So, when I first got my iPhone 4S, it was running iOS 6.0, and was 
>> running much better than my older iPhone 3GS, but as more and more 
>> iOS updates came along, the slower and more lagging my devices became 
>> to the point that doing anything on my iPhone 4S takes forever.
>>
>> When I use my new iPhone 6S, the speed can't even compare to the 
>> older 3GS, or the 4S.
>>
>> Good luck in what ever you choose to do.
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:02 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: upgrading from 4s
>>
>> I wouldn't say significantly better, but that depends on how you 
>> define significantly. It will be supported longer, it does have 
>> better specs so it will perform a bit better, it has a larger screen 
>> and a longer battery life. I'd suggest checking out the specs and reviews on 
>> line.
>>   From an accessibility stand point, it's a wash, so you're making 
>> the same decision any iPhone user would, blind or sighted.
>>
>> On 30/11/15 06:52, Tessa wrote:
>>> Thank you all for your comments.
>>> I had gone to look at phones on the weekend and was told the 16gb 
>>> was all they could get shall have to ask more questions.
>>>
>>> I guess what I was wondering is whether the 6 is signifficantly 
>>> better than the 5s, Thanks Tessa
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tessa" 
>>> To: "VIPhone" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 6:04 PM
>>> Subject: upgrading from 4s
>>>
>>>
>>> : Hi:
>>> : My parents are buying me an iphone 5s for christmas. Is it 
>>> signifficantly
>>> : better than the 4s I currently have or should I shell out the 
>>> extra couple
>>> : hundred for a newer model?
>>> : I use my phone for calls of course but for mail limited music 
>>> assorted games
>>> : and a few other things. I find for me siri and dictation in 
>>> general is wrong
>>> : more often than right and so use it rarely and not sure if this is 
>>> vastly
>>> : improved in newer models. I also use my phone to take pictures. I 
>>> do very
>>> : limited internet as I find it slow and frustrating. Would the 5s 
>>> be a
>>> : signifficant improvement or should I get something newer. I'm told 
>>> the 5s
>>> : only comes in 16gb, I had been thinking of going 32 but can't 
>>> decide LOL.
>>> : Any thoughts? Thanks.
>>> : Tessa
>>> :
>>> :
>>> : ---
>>> 

Re: Changing email address

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I'm a  fairly new subscriber, and I have no problems with the idea, but I was 
accepted with just a sent from a braille sense message. 

- Original Message -
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 8:43 am
Subject: Re: Changing email address

>
>
> Is this in any kind of instructions elsewhere?  I've never heard of this 
> before.
> I can understand the need to keep 'bots off a list, but making users jump 
> through hoops too is pushing the envelope of credibility a 
> teeny bit much.
> 
> The listserve checks this with a confirmation message user has to respond to.
> 
> R!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 7:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Changing email address
> 
> 
> Greg,
> 
> Your subscription request was denied because you failed to put any kind of 
> explanation as to why you want to subscribe to the group.
> 
> As we sometimes have spammers attempt to subscribe to the list, if there is 
> not some kind of an explanation, sentence, as to why you 
> wish to join, the subscription request will most likely be denied.
> 
> Send another subscription request, including at least one sentence such as 
> you are already a member who wishes to add another email 
> address and I will approve it.
> 
> I'm fighting a terrible cold so it may take a day or so before I can do so.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Greg Wocher
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 3:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Changing email address
> 
> Hello all,
> I tried to subscribe to the list with my new email address and for some 
> reason it was denied. My new email address is:
> gwoc...@gwocher.com
> How can I subscribe with my new email address?
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
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Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6

[Wayne Merritt]

I've observed that Direct Touch is appearing more and more in my
rodar, such as in the TuneIn Radio app. I often come across it. What
are some examples of where it can be useful? I'm not completely
understanding how it would work or benefit me to turn on in the rodar.

Thanks,
Wayne

On 11/30/15, Monica Jones  wrote:
> Oh, I see, and, yes, you got the feature right. Itleft my brain the other
> night. Thanks bunches.
>
>
> From: Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6
>
> Hi Monica, sounds like you're thinking of 3D Touch. This feature I'm
> describing isn't related to that.
> Yes, this is an iOS feature rather than a feature specific to any model, so
> it'll be on your 5s too. What happens is that developers have the
> opportunity to disable typical VO gestures for certain parts of the screen,
> in specific situations where it makes sense to do so. That's how the
> gestures work in the Blindfold Games, and also how a VO user can use Garage
> Band. So in the rare cases when they enable this feature, this new rotor
> option becomes available automatically.
>
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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>
>   On 28/11/2015, at 5:09 PM, Monica Jones  wrote:
>
>   Hi Jonathan, I haven’t seen this before; is it in 5S too? I know the
> dimensiontouch things aren’t here for us so wondered. I called this the
> wrong thing, but I can’t think of the correct thing but I first read of it
> in your wonderful book and saw podcasts from AppleVis. Oh, it’s the thing
> with pop and peak, etc.
>
>
>   From: Jonathan Mosen
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:23 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: Re: Major Problem, iPhone 6
>
>   Hi Chris, when you're in game play in one of the Blindfold games, use your
> rotor. You'll find a rotor option that's not usually there called Direct
> touch. It will be set to off. You want to turn it on.
>
>   Jonathan Mosen
>   Mosen Consulting
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>
> On 26/11/2015, at 6:33 AM, Chris Chaffin 
> wrote:
>
>
> I am having a major problem with voice over in a couple of situations.
> Now all of a sudden, in order to play any of the Blindfold games, I have
> to turn off voice over in order to play the game, but I have to have voice
> over on to do the menus and make my selections.  It is only during actually
> playing the game that with voice over on does nothing.
>
> The only other app that does not now work with voice over on is
> MBraille.  Now of the gestures work, and if I try typing with MBraille
> nothing happens at all.
>
> At first, I just thought maybe one of the blindfold games just needed to
> be reinstalled.  But this happens no matter which of the games I try to
> play.
>
> I have restarted voice over, cleaned out my app switcher and restarted
> my phone, and I even tried to reset network settings.
> It does not make sense tome, but the on screen braille input does still
> work.  I am not sure why that works and not MBraille.
>
> If anyone has seen this before, or knows anything that might help things
> work normal again, please let me know!!
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Chris
>
>
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