date:20191107

iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find, cNet

2019-11-07 Thread M. Taylor

Hello All, 

Although some of these features have already been discussed, there are a
couple that I absolutely love, including the automatic document scanning
feature which works beautifully with VoiceOver in terms of guiding a blind
person in lining up the camera for the automatic scan.  While I'm not
certain how much use a totally blind person can benefit from this feature,
low vision VoiceOver users will definitely find the Files App auto-document
scanning feature a true treasure.

Mark

iOS 13.2: The 13 best hidden iPhone and iPad features we can find
We combed through the iPhone 11 and iPad Pro -- here's what we found.
November 5, 2019 7:30 AM PST
 
iOS 13 is a pretty significant update. 
Apple's iOS 13 and iPadOS 13 launch has been a whirlwind. Since its initial
release, we've seen several updates released in just over a month. The
latest version is iOS 13.2, which added support for the iPhone 11's Deep
Fusion camera trick, and the new AirPods Pro (read our in-depth AirPods Pro
review here), along with a bunch of new emoji. All of that is in addition to
the core features iOS 13 brought to your devices. After you've updated your
iPhone or iPad to the latest software and caught your breath, make sure to
try out the new dark mode (huzzah!), the gesture keyboard and improvements
made to Safari, along with anything else we cover in our complete guide to
iOS 13. 

Those features are great and all, but we've also found a handful of features
Apple didn't announce that are just as good, if not better. The new volume
indicator alone is -- chef's kiss -- a feature iOS has needed for years. And
iMessage search, well, it's downright amazing. Don't forget about the new
photo-sharing options. 
Below are 13 of the best, hidden features we found in iOS 13. If you haven't
installed iOS 13 yet, make sure you get your phone ready for the update
before taking the plunge. Should something go wrong while it installs,
you'll be glad you took the time. Oh, and if you're still on the fence about
getting an iPhone 11, be sure to read our iPhone 11 review.  

1.
Optimized battery charging 
Routinely charging your iPhone's ($900 at Amazon) battery to full, and
keeping it there for extended amounts of time, can damage your battery over
time. A new option in iOS 13 is intended to help prolong your battery's life
by learning your charging habits and preventing the battery from immediately
charging to 100%. 
If you normally charge overnight while you sleep, Optimized Battery Charging
will keep your iPhone's battery at 80% for most of the night, finishing off
the last 20% of charge right before your alarm goes off.  
To use the new features, go to Settings > Battery > Battery Health and turn
it on. 

2.
Use the new Scroll Bar 
When you're scrolling a webpage in Safari, a new Scroll Bar shows up on the
right side of the screen. Only instead of just being a handy way to see
where you're at on a page, you can now use it to scroll faster. Try it out
by starting to scroll on a page, then long-press on the scroll bar and drag
it up or down. The faster you drag, the faster Safari will scroll.  

3.
Scan documents in the Files app 
The revamped Files app now lets you scan documents and save them directly to
your device or cloud storage with little effort. Open the Files app, select
the Browse tab, tap on the three-dot icon in the top-right corner, then Scan
Documents. Hold your device over the document you want to scan, and it
should automatically capture the page. You can scan multiple pages into one
PDF file and then save to iCloud, or import it into another app once you're
done.  

4.
iMessage search actually works now 
Searching for past messages in the iMessage app has always been horrible. It
simply hasn't worked. That's changed. You can now search for a single word
or phrase, and results are almost instantly displayed. 
It's pretty cool. To try it, open the Messages app, swipe down to reveal the
search field and type. Neat, right? 

5.
Search your iPhone with your voice 
Anywhere you find a search bar in Apple's own apps, you'll notice there's
now a microphone on the far-right side. Tap on the new icon to enter your
search query by voice, instead of having to type it out.  
Apps like Settings, Mail, Messages and the Today View are just a few
examples of where you can find the new voice search option.  

6.
Share photos with or without location information 
You can now strip location information from a photo when you share it
directly from the Photos app. The new option means you can leave the photo
geotagged and you can view where it was captured, but when you share it
across social media, email or messages, you can strip that information and
keep any location information private. 
Select a photo (or photos) you want to share in the Photos app then tap on
Options at the top of the screen and turn off Location under the section
labeled Include. 

7.
New volume indicator 
Another long-overdue feature iOS users have been begging Apple

Re: Are any of You Receiving a Particular Call Saying It's From You?

2019-11-07 Thread 'Gail Selfridge' via VIPhone

I too think it is a scam. I had one I would say a couple of years ago but I 
deleted it and afterword I heard that something like that is a scam. So don’t 
ever answer it. I understand it the way they do it is they get you to say yes 
to something and then they can track your phone and mess with it. Just leave it 
alone and get rid of it.

Gail

Sent from Gail’s iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:57 PM, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 

Shirley, I don't mean to scare you, but this is the way that my friend had her 
Amazon account hacked. It is a scam. Ignore please.

Reggie Alvarado 

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 

Have any of you received a call saying it's from you and your phone starts 
beeping very fast? Normally, I have silence unknown calls on but needed to have 
it turned off today. I wasn't thinking and answered it and it said it was from 
Microsoft, knowing afterwards that it wasn't really them. I got it again a few 
minutes later but declined it at that point. I just hhate how your phone starts 
beeping and ringing at the same time like they are sending a text message. Just 
wondered if any of you are getting stupid calls like this?

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Re: Are any of You Receiving a Particular Call Saying It's From You?

2019-11-07 Thread regina alvarado

Shirley, I don't mean to scare you, but this is the way that my friend had her 
Amazon account hacked. It is a scam. Ignore please.

Reggie Alvarado 

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 

Have any of you received a call saying it's from you and your phone starts 
beeping very fast? Normally, I have silence unknown calls on but needed to have 
it turned off today. I wasn't thinking and answered it and it said it was from 
Microsoft, knowing afterwards that it wasn't really them. I got it again a few 
minutes later but declined it at that point. I just hhate how your phone starts 
beeping and ringing at the same time like they are sending a text message. Just 
wondered if any of you are getting stupid calls like this?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Let's not forget that Steve Jobs passed away on October 5, 2011 and that he was 
quite sick for some time. I can't remember if he was still briefly in the 
September keynote that year or not, but just as a reference iOS 5 was released 
6 days after he passed away and while he was instrumental in the release of the 
iPhone in 2007 and probably controlled many aspects of hardware and software 
development for the 3 years or so afterwards before he got too sick, Voiceover 
did not show up until 2009 so at best he was part of iOS development for 1 or 
at most 2 versions afterwards. Back then there were a lot less devices and even 
though they are Apple's devices, they still need to be supported. There were a 
lot less apps and I would probably not be wrong in saying that many apps were 
maybe less complicated, nowadays the sheer processing power of the iPhone 
allows for a lot more possibilities. I don't want to totally give Apple the get 
out of jail free card here and those who know me also know that I have 
criticized Apple on many occasions, but I was simply making a case for the fact 
that Apple in my opinion is certainly not abandoning accessibility.
For me one of the worst bugs in iOS 13 is that dictation is extremely 
compromised if you are bi-lingual and maybe it's even worse if you are 
multi-lingual. I speak German and English fluently and have both keyboards 
installed. Dictation in German for the most part seems fine although I don't 
use it as often, but when my keyboard is set to English it's absolutely 
horrible because often SIRI will try to interpret what I dictate in English as 
German and the result is pure gibberish. Sometimes I dictate a shorter part of 
a sentence and it's perfect, then I continue and I speak a bit longer and SIRI 
inserts what I say half in English and half in what it thinks I said is German. 
Like I said, it's horrible and one of these days I will have to turn off 
Voiceover and ask a sighted person to start dictation for me to see if this is 
only happening when Voiceover is running. I somehow can't see why it would, but 
if it isn't and all sighted users also have this experience I am surprised it 
wasn't fixed yet and if it is Voiceover related then I have to start bugging 
Apple Accessibility about it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make 
a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, Apple is 
focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that when Steve 
Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS 
upgrades were first released. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I

Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Ryan Mann

I agree.  I would also like to add that Apple is putting more focus on 
accessibility in their development frameworks.  SwiftUI, Apple’s latest 
framework for developing the user interface for apps allows developers to make 
a lot of apps accessible without much work.  I would say if anything, Apple is 
focused on accessibility more than ever before.  I will say that when Steve 
Jobs was running the company it seems like there were less bugs when IOS 
upgrades were first released. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically 
> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I 
> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take 
> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major 
> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so 
> there are better choices eventually.
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I agree.
>> 
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>> until I can flick away from it.
>> 
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>> back to Alex.
>> 
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about 
>> this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it 
>> is definitely buggy still.
>> 
>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
>> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>>> Best, Keith
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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Christopher Chaltain

For me, it's not as bad as IOS 9 was. I had to reboot my phone every 
time I answered a phone call for like four months with IOS 9. I had to 
restart VoiceOver every time I replied to an email message for two 
years. I'm not seeing those problems myself with IOS 13, but unlike all 
of those unsympathetic people who didn't have the same issues I did with 
IOS 9, I feel the pain of those of you who are running into similar 
issues in IOS 13.




On 11/7/19 7:25 AM, kelby carlson wrote:

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.


On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:

Hi, I agree.

First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
can flick away from it.

The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go back 
to Alex.

And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this.  
The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
definitely buggy still.

Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have to 
had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than earlier 
versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of problems 
with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently due to a 
heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
Best, Keith

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

Interesting, I've never run into that.
Could you send an example?




Richard
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 6:07 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:

One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the 
em dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel  wrote:

Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the 
bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I 
bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR.  I'm pleased to report that after 
turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found 
that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order 
to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency.  I see that the Native Email app 
does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's 
not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently.  
I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen 
after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third 
of the way down and my focus is right back where it was.  Although I might not 
have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do 
actually add beneficial functionality.

I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope 
that Apple will bring that back for folks.

BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 
13.  Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and 
what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the 
new/changed app functionality.  You've helped make the transition a breeze.

Thx, Albert

***

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
it's snappy and responsive.
The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down.
Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, 
some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I 
have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages 
like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not 
committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting 
old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a 
topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or 
others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued 
development and improvement.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.

On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:

Hi, I agree.

First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
can flick away from it.

The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go

Annoying Facebook App Issue and a VoiceOver Question

2019-11-07 Thread Tom Lange

Hi,
For quite some time now, I’ve had this annoying issue when posting or 
commenting on people’s posts in the Facebook app. The scenario goes like this:
I’m typing away, either on the onscreen keyboard, or, more frequently on my 
Braille display. I’ll enter part or all of a word and WHAM! up pops someone’s 
name, completely stealing focus away from my eloquent prose, ha ha. At that 
instant I verbally utter some eloquent and dare I say vociferous curses which 
fortunately won’t make it into my post or comment. I then have to do a lot of 
fiddling about to regain focus on the edit field where I was writing. My 
question, therefore, is whether there’s a way to stop Facebook from popping up 
what it thinks are contact suggestions? If not, is there a way to tell 
VoiceOver to ignore those popups and maintain focus where I’m editing? Thanks 
in advance for any suggestions.
Tom  

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread kelby carlson

One extremely odd bug that still remains is Voiceover's pronunciation of the em 
dash as "to the power of", which seems impossible to change.

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Albert Ruel  wrote:
> 
> Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the 
> bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I 
> bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR.  I'm pleased to report that after 
> turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've 
> found that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn 
> in order to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency.  I see that the 
> Native Email app does require me to do some things differently than it did 
> before, however it's not the first time a major update caused me to have to 
> operate differently.  I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to 
> the top of the screen after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the 
> screen about one third of the way down and my focus is right back where it 
> was.  Although I might not have asked for some of these changes, most are 
> just fine to use, and many do actually add beneficial functionality.  
> 
> I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and 
> hope that Apple will bring that back for folks.  
> 
> BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about 
> iOS 13.  Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work 
> with and what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use 
> many of the new/changed app functionality.  You've helped make the transition 
> a breeze.  
> 
> Thx, Albert
> 
> *** 
> 
> Albert A. Ruel, Parksville BC, Canada
> albertr...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 10:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
> First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
> was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
> Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
> annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
> to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
> and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
> Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
> work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
> it's snappy and responsive.
> The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
> impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
> that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing 
> down.
> Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial 
> bugs, some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is 
> how long I have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I 
> read messages like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage 
> and Apple is not committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, 
> but it's getting old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too 
> prominent of a topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, 
> Google, Amazon or others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in 
> its continued development and improvement.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
> carlson
> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?
> 
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically 
> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I 
> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take 
> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major 
> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so 
> there are better choices eventually.
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I agree.
>> 
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>> until I can flick away from it.
>> 
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>> back to Alex.
>> 
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows

Re: Braille Table in the Rotor

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

I'm not sure about the first part of your question, but I've never found a way 
to get braille table or language, for that matter, out of the rotor.




Richard
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:

Hi,
I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my iPhone 
with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have input set 
to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched over to using 
UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s absolutely necessary. 
So, my questions are these:
1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if I 
want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I want 
to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in 
the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to 
change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?

These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.

Tom

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Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

navigating by line was fixed for me in iOS 13.2.
Which mail bug are you talking about?
The focus issue for me where when deleting emails and being put back at the top 
left on the back button is virtually gone.
It's happened maybe twice since 13.2.




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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Feliciano Godoy  wrote:

 Mail issue is still a problem with iOS 13.2.2. On the bright side, navigating 
line by line using the rotor when composing or replying to emails is fixed.

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Tom Lange  wrote:


Hi,
Nope, the focus issue in Mail is still there as far as I can tell. I just 
updated to 13.2.2 a couple hours ago so I need to fiddle with it for a while 
before concluding that the focus bug is deceased. I don’t think the Raid has 
killed him off yet.  Iince I remember first encountering him back in IOS 5 or 
6, and he disappeared, only to rear his ugly head  again
in IOS 13, it might take a nuclear blast to completely do him in, lol.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 3:55 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:


Most of the bugs I encountered in updating to iOS 13.2 are still there, though 
the focus problems in mail seem to be gone. Still getting the misspelled words 
rotor action is still there when it doesn't need to be.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
Davy

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Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Mail issue is still a problem with iOS 13.2.2. On the bright side, navigating
line by line using the rotor when composing or replying to emails is fixed.

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On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Tom Lange wrote:

Hi,
Nope, the focus issue in Mail is still there as far as I can tell. I just
updated to 13.2.2 a couple hours ago so I need to fiddle with it for a while
before concluding that the focus bug is deceased. I don’t think the Raid has
killed him off yet. Iince I remember first encountering him back in IOS 5 or
6, and he disappeared, only to rear his ugly head again
in IOS 13, it might take a nuclear blast to completely do him in, lol.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 3:55 PM, kelby carlson wrote:

Most of the bugs I encountered in updating to iOS 13.2 are still there, though
the focus problems in mail seem to be gone. Still getting the misspelled words
rotor action is still there when it doesn't need to be.

On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Hi folks

Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
Davy

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Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Tom Lange

Hi,
Nope, the focus issue in Mail is still there as far as I can tell. I just 
updated to 13.2.2 a couple hours ago so I need to fiddle with it for a while 
before concluding that the focus bug is deceased. I don’t think the Raid has 
killed him off yet.  Iince I remember first encountering him back in IOS 5 or 
6, and he disappeared, only to rear his ugly head  again
in IOS 13, it might take a nuclear blast to completely do him in, lol.

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 3:55 PM, kelby carlson  wrote:
> 
> 
> Most of the bugs I encountered in updating to iOS 13.2 are still there, 
> though the focus problems in mail seem to be gone. Still getting the 
> misspelled words rotor action is still there when it doesn't need to be.
> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi folks
>>  
>> Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
>> Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
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RE: Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

2019-11-07 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Yes, it does, have used it myself.
Just hold your phone near the area on the faregate where you normally tap  your 
card and authorize with Touch Id (or Face Id if you have an iPhone X or later). 
Your payment method will be preauthorized, but nothing will be charged until 
you arrive at your destination and tap out. At that point the correct fare will 
be calculated and it is then charged to your card via Apple Pay.



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Hi, list.
My question is to those in Vancouver, Canada.
Does Sky Train ticket machine accept Apple Pay?
Thanks!


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Braille Table in the Rotor

2019-11-07 Thread Tom Lange

Hi,
I have a couple of questions about Braille Table in the rotor. I use my iPhone 
with a Braille display frequently; in fact, I’m using one now. I have input set 
to eight-dot and output set to contracted. I have NOT switched over to using 
UEB yet and, frankly, I don’t plan to do it until it’s absolutely necessary. 
So, my questions are these:
1. Apple has set the system Braille table to UEB and I can add English US if I 
want to, so I did. Can I set the system Braille table  to English US if I want 
to? Last I checked, I couldn’t find a way to do that.
2. Regardless of the answer to question 1, can I get rid of Braille Table in 
the rotor? If I’ve set my preferred Braille table and don’t see a need to 
change it on the fly, why would I need Braille table in the rotor?

These questions have been bugging me since IOS 13 came out.

Tom 

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RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Albert Ruel

Sieghard,I was one of the holdouts because of all the drama around the 
bugs/inconveniences that iOS 13.X dragged us through, and on Friday evening I 
bit the bullet and updated my iPhone XR.  I'm pleased to report that after 
turning off the Slide To Type keyboard and the extra Haptic feedback I've found 
that I had little in the way of new strategies and techniques to learn in order 
to re-gain an appropriate level of efficiency.  I see that the Native Email app 
does require me to do some things differently than it did before, however it's 
not the first time a major update caused me to have to operate differently.  
I've already figured out that when my focus jumps to the top of the screen 
after I've deleted a message I merely have to touch the screen about one third 
of the way down and my focus is right back where it was.  Although I might not 
have asked for some of these changes, most are just fine to use, and many do 
actually add beneficial functionality.  

I do empathize with the hearing aid users who have lost functionality and hope 
that Apple will bring that back for folks.  

BTW, thanks to all of you on this list for the discussions you've had about iOS 
13.  Through your discussions I sorted out what I was willing to work with and 
what needed to be turned off, and more importantly how I would use many of the 
new/changed app functionality.  You've helped make the transition a breeze.  

Thx, Albert

*** 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
it's snappy and responsive.
The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down.
Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, 
some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I 
have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages 
like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not 
committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting 
old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a 
topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or 
others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued 
development and improvement.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I agree.
> 
> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
> stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
> what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
> can flick away from it.
> 
> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
> back to Alex.
> 
> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this. 
>  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
> definitely buggy still.
> 
> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>>

Re: ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread kelby carlson

Most of the bugs I encountered in updating to iOS 13.2 are still there, though 
the focus problems in mail seem to be gone. Still getting the misspelled words 
rotor action is still there when it doesn't need to be.

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi folks
>  
> Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
> Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
> Davy
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ios13.2.2 is out

2019-11-07 Thread Davy Cuppens

Hi folks 

Please report any solutions if there are some for voiceover usage.
Apple nolonger mentions fixes for accessibility in their release notes.
Davy 

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Apple Pay for Sky Ticket Train?

2019-11-07 Thread Fazil

Hi, list.

My question is to those in Vancouver, Canada.

Does Sky Train ticket machine accept Apple Pay?

Thanks!

 

 

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RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Louise Johnson

Hi all: 

I haven't updated as I not looking forward to any of the problems others have 
faced. I will also do it when I feel that I am ready and I hear that there are 
not as many bugs in it. Yes there will be always small bugs that doesn't upset 
me it is when there are many small ones still.

My eight plus is working fine now and why have a headache from updating Louise 
and princess Kiara 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 7:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is.
The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just fine for 
me.  I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll keep using my 
phone the way it is.

On 11/7/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I 
> wish I had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it 
> basically worked. And, because I have to download updates over public 
> wi-fi since I don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy 
> version is will take forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away 
> from accessibility as a major concern and into other areas. I hope 
> other phones become more accessible so there are better choices eventually.
>
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I agree.
>>
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat 
>> and I get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  
>> It doesn’t matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It 
>> repeats and repeats until I can flick away from it.
>>
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I 
>> perform a triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into 
>> settings and go back to Alex.
>>
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows 
>> about this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly 
>> better.  But it is definitely buggy still.
>>
>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, 
>> you have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better 
>>> than earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are 
>>> still lots of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on 
>>> the list much recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive 
>>> if this has been well covered.
>>> Best, Keith
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RE: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Saying Apple is moving away from accessibility is complete nonsense.
First of all, iOS 12 even it's earlier versions were better than iOS 11 ever 
was so I am not sure why iOS 11 seems to hold such a mystical value for you.
Second, iOS 13.2 still has a few bugs, but overall they are more minor 
annoyances for most users, e.g. the fact when you delete emails focus goes up 
to the back button etc. Yes, I know there are some more issues around braille 
and hearing aids, but as I said, I mean for "most:" users. The problem with 
Voiceover going away after a phone call is gone, third party keyboards again 
work correctly and all in all iOS 13.2 is stabile, battery usage is good and 
it's snappy and responsive.
The addition of Voice Control which probably benefits users with motor 
impairments more currently than users who also need Voiceover to me indicates 
that Apple's commitment to accessibility is far form dead or even slowing down.
Lastly, every year when a new version of iOS comes out there are initial bugs, 
some worse than others and every year for the last 10 years which is how long I 
have been using Voiceover (basically since it's first debut) I read messages 
like yours where somebody says the new iOS is complete garbage and Apple is not 
committed to accessibility any longer so it's nothing new, but it's getting 
old. Accessibility is not going away any more, it's far too prominent of a 
topic now with most major companies be it Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon or 
others being fairly majorly invested in it as well as in its continued 
development and improvement.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kelby 
carlson
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 5:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I agree.
> 
> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
> stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
> what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
> can flick away from it.
> 
> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
> back to Alex.
> 
> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this. 
>  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
> definitely buggy still.
> 
> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>> Best, Keith
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My email to Apple: FW: IOS 13.01, 02, 03, 13.2 hearing aid issue

2019-11-07 Thread Terri Hedgpeth

From: Terri Hedgpeth  
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 11:09 AM
To: accessibil...@apple.com
Cc: Terri Hedgpeth 
Subject: IOS 13.01, 02, 03, 13.2 hearing aid issue

Hello Apple,

I wear Oticon hearing aids and up to IOS v12.4.1, my hearing aids connected
with my iPhone without a problem routing all sounds through my hearing aids
just like any other Bluetooth ear pieces.

Since IOS V13. most sounds are routing through my hearing aids including
Voice Over VO, phone calls, audio books, music, but not the screen clicks
beeps and other audio accessibility cues or what refer to as "earCons."
These earcons are very helpful in providing navigation and icon status
information to those of us who are blind and who rely on VO to access our
phones. I have an iPhone Xr. 

I went to my Audiologist yesterday and explained to her what was going on
with the IOS update and she got the tech staff from Oticon on the phone and
I explained to them the issue I was having with V13.2. They put us on hold
for a few minutes to check with the Bluetooth team. When they came back on
the line, they shared with us that this is an issue that only Apple can
resolve. They explained that Apple decides what can be played through the
hearing aids. Now typically I would be quite skeptical of such an answer
thinking they were just passing the buck. However, I believe them because I
have heard from numerous people who are blind that wear hearing aids from
many different manufactures having the exact same experience as I described.
Thus, the ball is in your court to address this huge issue. I can no longer
do anything on my iPhone without others around knowing that I am accessing
my phone. Yes, I could turn those sounds off, however, I need those earcons
to help me do what I do on my phone efficiently. Please feel free to contact
me if you have any questions.

Best,

Terri Hedgpeth, Ed.D.

480-231-9557

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Opening Links in New Tabs

2019-11-07 Thread kelby carlson

After updating, double tapping and holding on a link no longer presents the 
option to open the link in a new tab or share it. Is there a way to still do 
this? iPhone 7, iOS 13.2.

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Holly


Hi Josh:

I feel the same way.  I have heard too many complaints and lots of problems 
related to the latest update and voice over, so am sticking with the earlier 
version for now. 


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RE: Voice Over Help Please.

2019-11-07 Thread Carolyn

Have yu tried charging battery? Have you tried Volume UP?
You probably have, but just in case...

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Subject: Voice Over Help Please.

Hi Everyone, 
My xr phone was working an hour ago, but as I just turned it
on, there is no sound at all coming from the phone!  I've
tried everything I know to try to get voice over to talk,
but no go!  I tried the three finger double tap just in case
I might have muted it without knowing, but still that didn't
work.  I tried two finger double tap, but still no go!  I
tried pressing the side power button three times, but still
no go!  I can't even get Siri to respond by pressing the
side button!  I don't have the hey Siri feature turned on.
The phone appears to be completely dead!  Although, I did
get a phone call, and the phone did ring, but when I tried
to answer it, it stopped ringing, I did get an alert because
whoever they were they left a message.  Any suggestions
please!  
Thank you all!  
Janet 

Peace Be With You. 

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Email 
accessibil...@apple.com 
with your issue as well as iOS version and iPhone model.

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> On Nov 7, 2019, at 8:06 AM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Where do you send the report?  I’ll gladly do that.  Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Feliciano Godoy  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s 
>> response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please 
>> report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response 
>> was that they have not received any reports on this.
>> 
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>> 
 On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I agree.
>>> 
>>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>>> until I can flick away from it.
>>> 
>>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>>> back to Alex.
>>> 
>>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about 
>>> this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it 
>>> is definitely buggy still.
>>> 
>>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you 
>>> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
 
 hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
 earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots 
 of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much 
 recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well 
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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Lynn White

Where do you send the report?  I’ll gladly do that.  Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:00 AM, Feliciano Godoy  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s 
> response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please 
> report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response 
> was that they have not received any reports on this.
> 
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> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I agree.
>> 
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I 
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t 
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats 
>> until I can flick away from it.
>> 
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
>> back to Alex.
>> 
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about 
>> this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it 
>> is definitely buggy still.
>> 
>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
>> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>>> Best, Keith
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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Dave

Hi Joshua. It was 12.4.1, and i am staying there too. Until things are 
looking better.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2019 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is.
The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just
fine for me.  I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll
keep using my phone the way it is.

On 11/7/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish 
I

had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically
worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I
don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take
forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a 
major
concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible 
so

there are better choices eventually.


On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:

Hi, I agree.

First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I
get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t
matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and
repeats until I can flick away from it.

The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform 
a

triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go
back to Alex.

And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about
this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But 
it

is definitely buggy still.

Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you
have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone
 wrote:

hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than
earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots
of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much
recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been
well covered.
Best, Keith

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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Feliciano Godoy

Hi, 
please report the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple‘s 
response was that they have not received any reports on this.Hi, please report 
the notification bug to Apple. I have reported it, Apple’s response was that 
they have not received any reports on this.

Feliciano
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> On Nov 6, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I agree.
> 
> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
> stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
> what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
> can flick away from it.
> 
> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
> back to Alex.
> 
> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this. 
>  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
> definitely buggy still.
> 
> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>> Best, Keith
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Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread Joshua Hendrickson

I'm still using version 12.42 or whatever the last number after 12 is.
The reason why I'm not updating is because my iPhone 8 is working just
fine for me.  I know I'll eventually have to update, but for now, I'll
keep using my phone the way it is.

On 11/7/19, kelby carlson  wrote:
> iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I
> had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically
> worked. And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I
> don't have it at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take
> forever. It's clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major
> concern and into other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so
> there are better choices eventually.
>
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I agree.
>>
>> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I
>> get stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t
>> matter what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and
>> repeats until I can flick away from it.
>>
>> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a
>> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go
>> back to Alex.
>>
>> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about
>> this.  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it
>> is definitely buggy still.
>>
>> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you
>> have to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than
>>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots
>>> of problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much
>>> recently due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been
>>> well covered.
>>> Best, Keith
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Re: Rename file/folder name in Files app

2019-11-07 Thread Anna Dresner

Hi,

You can also triple-tap instead of double-tap and holding.

Best,
Anna


> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
> 
> The voiceover command is similar to the one you found. The differennce  is 
> that with voiceover you double tap and hold then swipe right to rename and DT.
>  
> **
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
> 
>  
> From: Christina 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Rename file/folder name in Files app
>  
> Hello,
>  
> How do I rename a folder or file name in Apple’s File app with Voice Over? I 
> googled it and found directions for non VO users. It says to tap on the name 
> of the file and then then start typing the new name. That won’t work with VO 
> on. I can’t figure out how to do it. I used the actions menu by swiping up  
> while VO focus is on the file, but I didn’t find any options to rename.
>  
> Thanks ahead of time for anyone who helps me out. ☺️ 
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Re: youtube tv and audio description

2019-11-07 Thread Shirley Baker

How do you find audio description using Amazon prime?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> 
> netflicks has it. so does prime. not all shows are described but a lot of 
> them are. you have to select the audio description option. You can go on the 
> netflicks site or the amazon prime site to get a full listing.
> shirley
> - Original Message - From: "Eden" 
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> 
> Ok, so I have youtube Tv. I hear it has audio description. I thought ow 
> selected the secondary audio programming but also lt happened is I got closed 
> captioning. I know what I was listening to had audio description. I just 
> wondered what I could be doing wrong. Also, are there other live tv streaming 
> services with audio description?
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RE: When Apple Suggests The Iphone, iPad And Mac Are Crafted For Privacy, They Are Not Kidding - Assume Tech

2019-11-07 Thread 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone

Great article. This is definitely something to recommend these devices.

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: When Apple Suggests The Iphone, iPad And Mac Are Crafted For 
Privacy, They Are Not Kidding - Asume Tech

When Apple Suggests The Iphone, iPad And Mac Are Crafted For Privacy, They Are 
Not Kidding

November 7, 2019 

when-apple-suggests-the-iphone,-ipad-and-mac-are-crafted-for-privacy,-they-are-not-kidding

brenda davis

brenda davis

When Apple Says The iPhone, iPad And Mac Are Built For Privacy, They Are Not 
Kidding

You would be shocked how numerous apps request for Bluetooth access, maybe with 
the motive of monitoring your locale. (Image: News18)

At a time when a good deal of tech companies are taking part in quickly and 
loose with our info on their platforms, as buyers we really are at a loss to

find what can perhaps be classified as a mirage. Which is why when Apple 
suggests that it can make the program and the components products with user 
information

privateness in brain, they are basically not kidding Across the board, the firm 
has made a large amount of advancements and additions to the whole privateness

facet, be it iOS 13, macOS Catalina, the Safari net browser as perfectly as a 
bunch of its individual applications such as Photographs, Obtain My and the

Overall health knowledge that the Apple iphone and the Apple Observe may well 
generate. At the very same time, Apple has also up-to-date its privacy internet

site.

Apple is betting seriously on what it phone calls Private Federated Studying. 
The easy plan driving this is to not only obscure and scramble a user’s private

and non-public facts from the depths of the globe broad 
world-wide-web-primarily based apps and providers, but to also localize the 
customization of the

expertise by learning and examining the consumer details, but domestically and 
on the unit. The way Apple deploys this is that all of the processing comes

about on your Iphone by itself, for instance, with no facts ever becoming 
uploaded to a server or shared with Apple or any other app developer. The Hey

Siri personalization and the synthetic intelligence-based mostly options in the 
Shots application are two examples of that. “The Apple Neural Engine in

the A13 chip performs around 100 billion operations per image to recognize 
faces and spots devoid of ever leaving your product,” says Apple.

At a time when well-known quick messaging apps these types of as the Fb-owned 
WhatsApp are beneath huge scrutiny for not fully securing user messages and

also getting susceptible to spy ware injections, iMessage could just be capable 
to make a strong situation for alone. Apple claims that just about every

solitary concept that you send out utilizing iMessage to a different iMessage 
user, is encrypted. This incorporates text messages, pictures, videos, emojis,

GIFs, you title it. And regardless of what contextual recommendations that 
iMessage delivers through your conversations, all those are generated on the

system by itself.

Then there is the total debate about how you are tracked throughout website 
browsers and apps, to be served contextual advertisements based mostly on your

internet use heritage, what you have been looking for and even any solutions 
that you may possibly have been wanting up on searching websites. The Safari

world wide web browser, for occasion, has one thing recognized as Smart 
Tracking Security. “It operates by separating the 3rd-bash information applied

to track you from other searching facts, so what you search at on the internet 
continues to be your enterprise — not an advertiser’s,” states Apple. The

AI and machine finding out function is carried out on the system itself (which 
suggests no info is shared with any third-get together companies) and this

element is on by default on all Safari browsers. I can say with certainty that 
with Safari as my default browser on the Iphone and on the Mac (those people

are the two devices only that I did web searching on to check how perfectly 
this functions), apps this sort of as Facebook and Instagram have been totally

thrown off my scent. I look through for some products on the internet or lookup 
anything on a shopping web-site, and contrary to in advance of when working

with Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox browser, no identical adverts pop up for 
me on Instagram and Fb, for example. Even the adverts that other web-sites

serve up are not an ode to my precise world-wide-web searches. Envision, lousy 
previous Instagram is caught in an limitless loop serving me adverts for

a Charcoal toothpaste I searched for 2 months in the past, mainly because it 
doesn’t know anything immediately after that!

But you can’t normally do everything on the gadget itself. Permit us get the 
case in point of

FW: When Apple Suggests The Iphone, iPad And Mac Are Crafted For Privacy, They Are Not Kidding - Asume Tech

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

When Apple Suggests The Iphone, iPad And Mac Are Crafted For Privacy, They Are 
Not Kidding
November 7, 2019
when-apple-suggests-the-iphone,-ipad-and-mac-are-crafted-for-privacy,-they-are-not-kidding
brenda davis
brenda davis
When Apple Says The iPhone, iPad And Mac Are Built For Privacy, They Are Not 
Kidding

You would be shocked how numerous apps request for Bluetooth access, maybe with 
the motive of monitoring your locale. (Image: News18)

At a time when a good deal of tech companies are taking part in quickly and 
loose with our info on their platforms, as buyers we really are at a loss to
find what can perhaps be classified as a mirage. Which is why when Apple 
suggests that it can make the program and the components products with user 
information
privateness in brain, they are basically not kidding. Across the board, the 
firm has made a large amount of advancements and additions to the whole 
privateness
facet, be it iOS 13, macOS Catalina, the Safari net browser as perfectly as a 
bunch of its individual applications such as Photographs, Obtain My and the
Overall health knowledge that the Apple iphone and the Apple Observe may well 
generate. At the very same time, Apple has also up-to-date its privacy internet
site.

Apple is betting seriously on what it phone calls Private Federated Studying. 
The easy plan driving this is to not only obscure and scramble a user’s private
and non-public facts from the depths of the globe broad 
world-wide-web-primarily based apps and providers, but to also localize the 
customization of the
expertise by learning and examining the consumer details, but domestically and 
on the unit. The way Apple deploys this is that all of the processing comes
about on your Iphone by itself, for instance, with no facts ever becoming 
uploaded to a server or shared with Apple or any other app developer. The Hey
Siri personalization and the synthetic intelligence-based mostly options in the 
Shots application are two examples of that. “The Apple Neural Engine in
the A13 chip performs around 100 billion operations per image to recognize 
faces and spots devoid of ever leaving your product,” says Apple.

At a time when well-known quick messaging apps these types of as the Fb-owned 
WhatsApp are beneath huge scrutiny for not fully securing user messages and
also getting susceptible to spy ware injections, iMessage could just be capable 
to make a strong situation for alone. Apple claims that just about every
solitary concept that you send out utilizing iMessage to a different iMessage 
user, is encrypted. This incorporates text messages, pictures, videos, emojis,
GIFs, you title it. And regardless of what contextual recommendations that 
iMessage delivers through your conversations, all those are generated on the
system by itself.


Then there is the total debate about how you are tracked throughout website 
browsers and apps, to be served contextual advertisements based mostly on your
internet use heritage, what you have been looking for and even any solutions 
that you may possibly have been wanting up on searching websites. The Safari
world wide web browser, for occasion, has one thing recognized as Smart 
Tracking Security. “It operates by separating the 3rd-bash information applied
to track you from other searching facts, so what you search at on the internet 
continues to be your enterprise — not an advertiser’s,” states Apple. The
AI and machine finding out function is carried out on the system itself (which 
suggests no info is shared with any third-get together companies) and this
element is on by default on all Safari browsers. I can say with certainty that 
with Safari as my default browser on the Iphone and on the Mac (those people
are the two devices only that I did web searching on to check how perfectly 
this functions), apps this sort of as Facebook and Instagram have been totally
thrown off my scent. I look through for some products on the internet or lookup 
anything on a shopping web-site, and contrary to in advance of when working
with Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox browser, no identical adverts pop up for 
me on Instagram and Fb, for example. Even the adverts that other web-sites
serve up are not an ode to my precise world-wide-web searches. Envision, lousy 
previous Instagram is caught in an limitless loop serving me adverts for
a Charcoal toothpaste I searched for 2 months in the past, mainly because it 
doesn’t know anything immediately after that!

But you can’t normally do everything on the gadget itself. Permit us get the 
case in point of the place information, for occasion. Locale monitoring on
our phones, as we know, if a pretty typical issue now. Google will track your 
location and create a ‘history’, Fb will keep track of your locale and do
a thing with it and so on. Not every app tracks your area with malicious 
intent, but this piece of info does give a in depth insight into your behavior
and easier to create a character sketch about you—where

Re: how buggy does iOS 13.2 remain?

2019-11-07 Thread kelby carlson

iOS 13 is by far the worst update to Apple software I've ever seen. I wish I 
had stuck with iOS 11—there were some minor annoyances but it basically worked. 
And, because I have to download updates over public wi-fi since I don't have it 
at home, getting whatever the non-buggy version is will take forever. It's 
clear that Apple is moving away from accessibility as a major concern and into 
other areas. I hope other phones become more accessible so there are better 
choices eventually.

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 10:00 PM, Lynn White  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I agree.
> 
> First thing I have noticed is that notifications continue to repeat and I get 
> stuck in the notification and have to flick away from it.  It doesn’t matter 
> what the app is that sends the notification.  It repeats and repeats until I 
> can flick away from it.
> 
> The other is a new issue.  My default voice is Alex.  But when I perform a 
> triple click, Samantha is the voice and I have to go into settings and go 
> back to Alex.
> 
> And, of course, there is the mailbox.  But Apple supposedly knows about this. 
>  The focus issues really aren’t fix.  Maybe slightly better.  But it is 
> definitely buggy still.
> 
> Having said all this, version 13 is not a show stopper.  Of course, you have 
> to had version 13 with the iPhone 11 which I really like.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:20 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi, I have updated to iOS 13.2. This certainly is somewhat better than 
>> earlier versions of iOS 13, but it seems to me that there are still lots of 
>> problems with it. Do others agree? I haven’t been on the list much recently 
>> due to a heavy work load, so please forgive if this has been well covered.
>> Best, Keith
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Re: youtube tv and audio description

2019-11-07 Thread Shirley Healy

netflicks has it. so does prime. not all shows are described but a lot of 
them are. you have to select the audio description option. You can go on the 
netflicks site or the amazon prime site to get a full listing.

shirley
- Original Message - 
From: "Eden" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 6:19 AM
Subject: youtube tv and audio description

Ok, so I have youtube Tv. I hear it has audio description. I thought ow 
selected the secondary audio programming but also lt happened is I got 
closed captioning. I know what I was listening to had audio description. I 
just wondered what I could be doing wrong. Also, are there other live tv 
streaming services with audio description?

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Re: BT mic for iphone/Pad

2019-11-07 Thread Richard Turner

Dolby On is working on the UK license, but no idea when that will happen.
MTSR is another recording app that is accessible and it is a multi-track 
recorder, and free.
Audio Memos is very good, but the labeling of the various elements could be a 
lot better. It does allow you to turn off the Apple filters so you get a better 
recording.
Some people swear by Ferrite but I find it way complicated.
Just Press Record I think is around $5 US, and it can automatically save to the 
cloud, and can be used to try and get text dictation out of the spoken words, 
but I find it only works well if a person is speaking like they are dictating, 
using punctuation etc.
Turning off the transcription, then works like other recorders.
For really good quality, I'd go with Audio Memos, which will cost around $10 US 
for the full featured version or DolbyOn when you can get it.




Richard
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 3:36 AM, 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone  
wrote:

Hi all

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I am in the UK, but I will watch out 
in case the Dolby app becomes available.

In the meantime,, we were thinking about using audio mmemos.

I’ve just seen another post about Audacity not being accessible. Are there any 
other apps with a similar function which are accessible?

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I’ve been suffering from horrible lurgy 
and Siri was having a hard time hearing me.

Best

Adrienne

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BT mic for iphone/Pad

2019-11-07 Thread 'ChalmersAS' via VIPhone

Hi all

Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, I am in the UK, but I will watch out 
in case the Dolby app becomes available.

In the meantime,, we were thinking about using audio mmemos.

I’ve just seen another post about Audacity not being accessible. Are there any 
other apps with a similar function which are accessible?

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I’ve been suffering from horrible lurgy 
and Siri was having a hard time hearing me.

Best

Adrienne 

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Re: simplifying the rotor

2019-11-07 Thread Arnold Schmidt

When I first started using the rotor, I found the method of putting two fingers 
onto the screen, spread slightly apart, and turning the phone to be the most 
effective way to use it. I now can turn the rotor with my two fingers alone. 
Once you get use to using it, then go into voice over settings, rotor, and 
customize what you want to access with the rotor, it adds a whole new realm to  
using your phone. It definitely is worth learning to use the rotor. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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On Nov 6, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:

Hi Anthony,

One way to think of the rotor is a knob. Put two fingers on the screen and 
imagine there is a small knob between them. Then turn the knob.

If that doesn't help, put one finger from each hand on the screen. Slide one 
toward the top of the screen, and at the same time, slide the other toward the 
bottom. Switch directions with both fingers to go in the other direction.

A third way is to put two fingers on the screen and hold them still while you 
turn the phone with the other hand.

I hope that helps.

best,
Anna

> On Nov 6, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Anthony Borg  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks 
> Does anyone can explain to me how to simplifying the rotor movements please?
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> Anthony 
> 
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Re: Voice Over Help Please.

2019-11-07 Thread Arlene

Janet, if you don't already have itunes installed on your computer, having 
itunes set up on your computer, you could see what you could figure out that 
way. It will let you turn voice over on amoungst several other things, such 
as checking your phone number, battery status and other things. Most 
importantly it will let you back up your phone and restore your iphone, so 
itunes is quite useful to have on your computer.
- Original Message - 
From: "janet gross" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2019 9:16 PM
Subject: Voice Over Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
My xr phone was working an hour ago, but as I just turned it on, there is no 
sound at all coming from the phone!  I've tried everything I know to try to 
get voice over to talk, but no go!  I tried the three finger double tap just 
in case I might have muted it without knowing, but still that didn't work. 
I tried two finger double tap, but still no go!  I tried pressing the side 
power button three times, but still no go!  I can't even get Siri to respond 
by pressing the side button!  I don't have the hey Siri feature turned on. 
The phone appears to be completely dead!  Although, I did get a phone call, 
and the phone did ring, but when I tried to answer it, it stopped ringing, I 
did get an alert because whoever they were they left a message.  Any 
suggestions please!

Thank you all!
Janet

Peace Be With You.

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