date:20201031

Sorry, I got my versions of Windows confused. Below when I said Windows 2000, I 
meant Windows XP. Although there was a 64-bit version of Windows XP, it was 
Windows Vista that was released with both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version. This 
happened in the mid-2000's. Here's an article that talks about 64-bit 
computing, including Apple and the iPhone: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit_computing#:~:text=In%202003%2C%2064-bit%20CPUs%20were%20introduced%20to%20the,ARMv8-A%20Apple%20A7%20system%20on%20a%20chip%20%28SoC%29.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Chaltain 
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:48 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> Sorry, I never meant to imply that there weren't machines running the 32-bit
> version of Windows Seven. I just meant that by the time Windows Seven was
> rolling out, virtually all machines being manufactured at the time were 64-bit
> architecture and could run the 64-bit version of Windows Seven. The 
> transaction
> from 32-bit to 64-bit hardware platforms occurred during Windows 2000, and
> there was a 64-bit version of Windows 2000. When  64-bit systems came out
> they could still run 32-bit versions of Windows, otherwise the architecture 
> never
> would have been adopted.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Marty Hutchings
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:41 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> >
> > I have a 32 bit Windows 7 machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Love in Christ
> > Marty
> > If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with
> > William Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full
> > of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1,
> > 2020 -Original
> > Message-
> > From: Christopher Chaltain
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:54 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> >
> > It is hardware dependent, but computers have been able to run 64-bit
> > operating systems for probably more than 15 years. Unless you bought a
> > netbook 10 years ago, any computer you've purchased in the last 15
> > years, if not longer, has been able to run a 64-bit operating system.
> > Computers cut over to a 64-bit architecture during Windows 2000, and
> > like I said, any computer running Windows 7 was almost assuredly a 64-bit
> computer.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher (AKA CJ)
> > Chaltain at Gmail
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > Alan Lemly
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> > >
> > > Simon,
> > >
> > > I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit
> > > Windows was hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what
> > > you suggest if his computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows.
> > > I welcome any correction on this because it was quite a while ago
> > > that I was running a 32-bit Windows machine.
> > >
> > > Alan Lemly
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > >  I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64
> > > bit issue as your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,
> > >
> > > And that doesn't work in most cases.
> > >
> > >  Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,
> > > What about updating to a 64 bit windows version?
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > M. Taylor
> > > Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:09 pm
> > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> > >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit
> > > Desktop as my primary iTunes Library manager.
> > >
> > > As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may
> > > recall, once upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app
> > > store.
> > >
> > > While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no
> > > longer supports device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.
> > >
> > > So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to
> > > remove the app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I
> > > would, once again, prefer to have actual iTunes backups of my
> > > devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 12.6.x to the latest version

RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Sorry, I never meant to imply that there weren't machines running the 32-bit 
version of Windows Seven. I just meant that by the time Windows Seven was 
rolling out, virtually all machines being manufactured at the time were 64-bit 
architecture and could run the 64-bit version of Windows Seven. The transaction 
from 32-bit to 64-bit hardware platforms occurred during Windows 2000, and 
there was a 64-bit version of Windows 2000. When  64-bit systems came out they 
could still run 32-bit versions of Windows, otherwise the architecture never 
would have been adopted.

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Chaltain at Gmail

> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Marty Hutchings
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> I have a 32 bit Windows 7 machine.
> 
> 
> 
> Love in Christ
> Marty
> If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William
> Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
> fury,
> signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020 -Original
> Message-
> From: Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> It is hardware dependent, but computers have been able to run 64-bit operating
> systems for probably more than 15 years. Unless you bought a netbook 10 years
> ago, any computer you've purchased in the last 15 years, if not longer, has 
> been
> able to run a 64-bit operating system. Computers cut over to a 64-bit
> architecture during Windows 2000, and like I said, any computer running
> Windows 7 was almost assuredly a 64-bit computer.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > Alan Lemly
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> >
> > Simon,
> >
> > I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit
> > Windows was hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what
> > you suggest if his computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows. I
> > welcome any correction on this because it was quite a while ago that I
> > was running a 32-bit Windows machine.
> >
> > Alan Lemly
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> >  I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64 bit
> > issue as your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,
> >
> > And that doesn't work in most cases.
> >
> >  Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,
> > What about updating to a 64 bit windows version?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of
> > M. Taylor
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:09 pm
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit
> > Desktop as my primary iTunes Library manager.
> >
> > As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may
> > recall, once upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app
> > store.
> >
> > While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer
> > supports device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.
> >
> > So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to
> > remove the app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would,
> > once again, prefer to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have
> > decided to upgrade iTunes 12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.
> >
> > So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not
> > appear to be a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.
> >
> > Have I waited too long to update?
> >
> > The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site
> > are versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.
> >
> > So, I have two questions:
> >
> > 1.
> > What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I
> > do not have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.
> >
> > 2.
> > Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version
> > of iTunes for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for
> > Windows that allows for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of
> > the operating system that are at least 13.x or higher, that was not
> > downloaded from the Microsoft Store?
> >
> > All replies greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > --
> > The following information is important

RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread Alan Lemly

Hi Mark,

We are of like mind about it not being a good idea to download iTunes 12.10.x 
32-bit from a non-Apple source. I'm sorry my suggestion did not help and I hope 
you're able to figure something out.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Alan,

This was a marvelous idea.

I ran the command.  A couple of years ago, the updater would list both the 
iCloud control panel for Windows and iTunes.  Now, however, it only list the 
iCloud control panel.

I have a lot of 32-bit only software on this computer that I use for work.  
And, while I will certainly have to get a new computer with Windows 10, at 
present, I want to continue using this PC for as long as possible.  

I purchased this particular PC back in 2009 and it runs like a champ.  I 
believe the hardware on the PC is 64-bit but, as I stated, some of the old 
software is running 32-bit. 

I found a site from Tech Crunch that offers iTunes 12.10.x for Windows 7, 
32-bit but I am somewhat leery of sites offering iTunes downloads when Apple, 
itself, does not.  Something just doesn't seem right about that.

Now, I have another Windows 7 PC, that is running 64-bit Windows.  I will 
attempt to run the Apple software updater on that PC and see what happens.  

What I find most interesting is that on the Apple download site, one can find 
much older versions of iTunes for Windows but not iTunes 12.7; this makes no 
sense to me.

I may have to wait until I purchase a new Desktop running Windows 10 before I 
can move forward on this but I never would have guessed that this would be the 
case.  

Had I known that my option to update to the latest version of iTunes would be 
at issue, I would have updated last year, when I had the chance.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Mark,

I don't know whether the latest iTunes for Windows version will run on a 32-bit 
system but I'd recommend you execute your Windows 7 Start button and type Apple 
Software update in the box and see what it offers you. That's how I've gotten 
past iTunes versions on my Windows 7 64-bit system when I had trouble getting 
them from the Microsoft Store.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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what are good battery cases for iPhone SE 2020

2020-10-31 Thread Dennis Long

Hi, if anyone could help with this I would appreciate it.

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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread h.begum99 via VIPhone

That would be great, wouldn’t it? I want his visor as well!!!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 31 October 2020 05:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Forget it, I want at least Geordi La Forge's visor if not his ocular 
prosthetics, a silly iPhone 12 Pro won't cut it.

And for those who are not Star Trek fans, Geordi is one of the main characters 
in Start Trek The Next Generation, he was blind from birth, but became Chief 
Engineer on the Enterprise under Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
karuna Chopra
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:22 PM
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us? 

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

Read the full article here 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/30/iphones-can-now-tell-blind-users-where-and-how-far-away-people-are/

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reading temperature on a Withings thermometer?

2020-10-31 Thread Ann Byrne

the documentation tells me that the temperature is sent immediately 
to the iPhone app; but I'll be derned if I can find it.  I follow the 
procedure, I think.  Press the button lightly, and it bzz-es.  Slide 
the thing from forehead to temple, and it goes bzz-bzz.  then I swipe 
lightly across the thermometer, then press the button again.


which screen do I need in order to see the current reading?  Can I 
delete all the old readings?


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Re: Tribit MaxSound Plus Portable Bluetooth Speaker dimensions was RE: Speakers

2020-10-31 Thread Joshua Hendrickson

I've never had an issue when it comes to bluetooth range of speakers.
I could carry a speaker around my house if I wanted, and the sound
wouldn't drop out.  I'm sure you'll have no trouble with the range of
the speaker.

On 10/31/20, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I’m planning on getting this speaker this week, but this depends on the
> Bluetooth range. If it’s actually close to what’s advertised, it will be
> incredible. I just want to find out if it’s accurate.
>
> Kevin and Jilly the flying doggie
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan
> Lemly
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 3:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Tribit MaxSound Plus Portable Bluetooth Speaker dimensions was RE:
> Speakers
>
>
> The dimensions of this speaker from the Amazon website are: 7.80 x 2.70 x
> 2.80 inches. I believe that is width by height by depth. The info came from
> this website:
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Tribit-MaxSound-Bluetooth-Exceptional-Waterproof/dp/B07MQWG3PR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1=tribit+bluetooth+speaker=1603655092=electronics=1-1-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMk1TNE9RRkxJRERKJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDc5ODY5MThHUUIyT1hEWEpUNSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDA0MDUyMUw3UUgxOE9YU1BKMCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
>
>
>
> Alan Lemly
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 2:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
>
>
> Andrew, I am not very good with dementions, however, the speaker can be used
> with the victor stream no problems.  I don't use mine with the victor
> stream, but this speaker and a lot of others I know about can be used with
> the victor stream.  I've got a lot of speakers I'm trying to sell that would
> be perfect with the victor stream.  I like to use a speaker with my stream
> and watch described movies it works very well.
>
> The tribet speaker is a great speaker and I'm sure you'd like it with your
> stream.
>
>
>
> On 10/25/20, Andrew J. LaPointe
> mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>> Is this the speaker that has a metal grill?  It is rubber?  Do you
>
>> know what the dimensions are?  One more question, can you use it with
>
>> the victor stream with a 3.5 plug?  Thanks so much.  I heard a sample
>
>> on youtube
>
>>
>
>> -Original Message-
>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 12:44 PM
>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>
>> Subject: Re: Speakers
>
>>
>
>> Esther, you'll really enjoy the speaker.  It is a pretty good one
>
>> especially for its price.  Youtube is a pretty good place if you want
>
>> to look up reviews of bluetooth speakers.  It was because of a review
>
>> on youtube that I purchased the tribit speaker.
>
>>
>
>> On 10/25/20, Esther
>> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
>
>>> hey, Joshua, I am a speaker nut! I sent away for that Amazon speaker
>
>>> you told us about. Supposedly, I will get it tomorrow. I can't wait!
>
>>> Thanks for this information. Esther
>
>>>
>
>>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>>>
>
 On Oct 24, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Joshua Hendrickson
 mailto:louv...@gmail.com>>
>
 wrote:
>

>
 ?Here you go.  This link from amazon will take you direct to the
>
 speaker.  The price is $57 and it is totally worth every penny.
>

>
 https://www.amazon.com/Tribit-Bluetooth-Speaker-Portable-Waterproof/
>
 d
>
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RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Simon,

Okay, I fired up my Windows 7 64-bit machine which is currently running iTunes 
12.6.5.x.

As with my 32-bit system, I ran the Apple software updater and, just like on 
the 32-bit system, it does not display iTunes as an option to update, only 
iCloud for Windows.  

So, the proverbial party may be over, as far as my Windows 7 computers are 
concerned.  

I just wonder about the link from Tech crunch that provides links to older 
versions of iTunes and even iTunes 12.10.x in both 64-bit and 32-bit flavors.  

Were I a younger man, I would chance it but, alas, as I have no desire to 
engage in hours of trouble shooting from a corrupted or compromised copy of the 
software ...

So, is there anyone on the list who can make a successful backup of a device 
running iOS 13. Or later on a Windows 7 computer running iTunes 12.6.5?  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 6:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hi Mark,

If your machine is running a 64 bit windows 7 then you should be able to 
download the 64 bit iTunes version,  Everything should be fine with that 
upgrade 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Alan,

This was a marvelous idea.

I ran the command.  A couple of years ago, the updater would list both the 
iCloud control panel for Windows and iTunes.  Now, however, it only list the 
iCloud control panel.

I have a lot of 32-bit only software on this computer that I use for work.  
And, while I will certainly have to get a new computer with Windows 10, at 
present, I want to continue using this PC for as long as possible.  

I purchased this particular PC back in 2009 and it runs like a champ.  I 
believe the hardware on the PC is 64-bit but, as I stated, some of the old 
software is running 32-bit. 

I found a site from Tech Crunch that offers iTunes 12.10.x for Windows 7, 
32-bit but I am somewhat leery of sites offering iTunes downloads when Apple, 
itself, does not.  Something just doesn't seem right about that.

Now, I have another Windows 7 PC, that is running 64-bit Windows.  I will 
attempt to run the Apple software updater on that PC and see what happens.  

What I find most interesting is that on the Apple download site, one can find 
much older versions of iTunes for Windows but not iTunes 12.7; this makes no 
sense to me.

I may have to wait until I purchase a new Desktop running Windows 10 before I 
can move forward on this but I never would have guessed that this would be the 
case.  

Had I known that my option to update to the latest version of iTunes would be 
at issue, I would have updated last year, when I had the chance.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Mark,

I don't know whether the latest iTunes for Windows version will run on a 32-bit 
system but I'd recommend you execute your Windows 7 Start button and type Apple 
Software update in the box and see what it offers you. That's how I've gotten 
past iTunes versions on my Windows 7 64-bit system when I had trouble getting 
them from the Microsoft Store.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the

RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread M. Taylor

Hello All, 

To be honest, I have not been following this thread but I have received some 
off-list comments alerting me to the fact that it has gone off-point.  

So, let’s keep in mind that this forum is to discuss Apple-related technology 
and not social engineering. 

Thanks to those who contacted us, off-list.  I will monitor this thread more 
closely but trust that everyone will stay on point and refrain from making 
general social commentary..

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, for 
your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple and 
obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, 
wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.

I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. You 
can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than six 
feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried 
about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
 wrote:
These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen


On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.
 
I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,
 
If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
 
Otherwise 
People should get out of my way!
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna 
Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone 
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
 
 
 
Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us? 
 
The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.
The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.
Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and

RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi Michael,

Correct but one note,
The flue shot can not help with covid19 protection,
But it reduces your chances of catching the flue strain of this year,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 10:21 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hello everyone I know that at present, we don’t have the technology in place 
that can actually tell us on the phone how far away we are from other people. I 
did take the basic precautions when I do go out. I have gotten the flu shot. 
Just wanted y’all to know that I am doing what I can recently do to try and 
stay safe.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
mailto:chalt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, for 
your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple and 
obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, 
wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.

I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. You 
can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than six 
feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried 
about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!


Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen


On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise
People should get out of my way!

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are



Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?


The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.
The

RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Richard,
I'm pretty sure you can get mini mouse now as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 9:33 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

There sure seems to be a lot of faces available for free on the watch.
I'm leaning toward Mickey Mouse since I never had a Mickey Mouse watch growing 
up, grin.
Besides, since you can have Mickey say the time, my 4 and 6 year old great, 
great, nephews will enjoy that.
Frankly, I don't care what it looks like since I have no vision; I just want it 
to be functional.

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mervin 
Keck
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yu have a pretty good idea of the watch face. I am always looking for a better 
face but I never want to go buying new faces just to see if they are accessible 
or if they have the flexibility that I am looking for. Not all faces allow for 
customization or addition of extra complications. The one I am using now 
allowed me to match the color of the face to my sports watch band. And it 
allowed me to choose five complications plus date in addition to the time which 
is the main attraction as you pointed out. I added battery status, Dark sky 
Weather, Reminders, Workout, and Moving but I can change it any time I feel 
like it. I'm on the lookout for one that emphasizes health and fitness and plan 
on just keeping weather and battery plus maybe four health and fitness related 
widget type complications on the face.
If I press the crown which is that big button on my watch I can bring up the 
home screen where all of my installed apps are ready and waiting. I can then 
just swipe left and right and scroll right through them and tap the one I want 
to activate.
I have found the ECG and blood Oxygen apps to be very handy since getting my 
Series six as I am diabetic and I have a Seizure disorder. I'm hoping not to 
ever use the fall detection during a grand mal. 
Merv

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yes, as I understand it, the watch face is like your traditional watch with 
extras.
The time is pretty obviously the main feature, but you can add 
items/complications, at various points around the watch face to have quick 
access to other information.  If I am right, those are like the widgets on the 
iPhone.
I won't have my watch yet for a couple of weeks, but that is my understanding 
and am happy to hear more and better explanations.

Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper  

Check out my web site at: 
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C7962106628174887215908d87ddba5bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637397729608240341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=wi96A10xwSQ7bzYW3L5uK3bSSvfAgtn5vHOWnmG3uzU%3Dreserved=0

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,

This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend some 
things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and all the things 
I can do with it.

Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are different 
watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.

So here is where I am a bit confused.

What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?

Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.

So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as the 
time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?

I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to a

RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Sorry why is the post dangerous?

The app on the phone is not going to stop covid 19 from spreading,
What will stop it is sensible interaction by members of the public
Social distancing,
And better information provided by the people that run the usA,



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 7:40 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, for 
your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple and 
obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, 
wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.

I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. You 
can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than six 
feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried 
about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen


On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise
People should get out of my way!

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are



Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?


The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.
The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.
Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after

RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hi Mark,

If your machine is running a 64 bit windows 7 then you should be able to 
download the 64 bit iTunes version,
 Everything should be fine with that upgrade 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 6:03 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Alan,

This was a marvelous idea.

I ran the command.  A couple of years ago, the updater would list both the 
iCloud control panel for Windows and iTunes.  Now, however, it only list the 
iCloud control panel.

I have a lot of 32-bit only software on this computer that I use for work.  
And, while I will certainly have to get a new computer with Windows 10, at 
present, I want to continue using this PC for as long as possible.  

I purchased this particular PC back in 2009 and it runs like a champ.  I 
believe the hardware on the PC is 64-bit but, as I stated, some of the old 
software is running 32-bit. 

I found a site from Tech Crunch that offers iTunes 12.10.x for Windows 7, 
32-bit but I am somewhat leery of sites offering iTunes downloads when Apple, 
itself, does not.  Something just doesn't seem right about that.

Now, I have another Windows 7 PC, that is running 64-bit Windows.  I will 
attempt to run the Apple software updater on that PC and see what happens.  

What I find most interesting is that on the Apple download site, one can find 
much older versions of iTunes for Windows but not iTunes 12.7; this makes no 
sense to me.

I may have to wait until I purchase a new Desktop running Windows 10 before I 
can move forward on this but I never would have guessed that this would be the 
case.  

Had I known that my option to update to the latest version of iTunes would be 
at issue, I would have updated last year, when I had the chance.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Mark,

I don't know whether the latest iTunes for Windows version will run on a 32-bit 
system but I'd recommend you execute your Windows 7 Start button and type Apple 
Software update in the box and see what it offers you. That's how I've gotten 
past iTunes versions on my Windows 7 64-bit system when I had trouble getting 
them from the Microsoft Store.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Yes running 64bit operating systems is hardware dependant,

If you have a 32 bit architecture  then you can't run 64 bit systems.

 But if you have a 64 bit system you can run either 32 or 64 bit systems.

 But if you have a 64 bit arch and are running a 32 bit os then you can only 
run 32 bit software,

 If you have a 64 bit architecture running a 64 bit Os then you can run either 
32 or 64 bit software.

 However apple as of within the passed 2 years have made all their operating 
systems and architecture 64 bit only,

So my assumption is that they have done away with 32 bit software because now 
in the 21st century  every machine should be a 64 bit system 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
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Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 4:56 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Simon,

I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit Windows was 
hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what you suggest if his 
computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows. I welcome any correction on 
this because it was quite a while ago that I was running a 32-bit Windows 
machine.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hi Mark,

 I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64 bit issue as 
your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,

And that doesn't work in most cases.

 Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,  What 
about updating to a 64 bit windows version?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:09 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: How to OCRa PDF

As someone that has both voice dream scanner and KNFB reader,

I’d go for voice dream scanner if I had to buy an app
It’s bloody good at what it does and I don’t really use KNFB now as it has no 
where near the quality that vdR does,
Sorry, I said scanner before and meant reader.


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Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

KNFB Reader will work, but I’m not sure if Seeing AI shows up in the share 
sheet.

If you have Voice Dream Reader, what is very slick is that if you add Voice 
Dream Scanner, you can open a PDF in Voice Dream Reader, and if it is an image 
PDF, it will show 0 bytes, 0 minutes and when you double tap on it, it will 
offer to use Scanner to OCR it and then the resulting, accessible file will be 
right there in Voice Dream Reader.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper 

Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of John 
J. Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 6:24 AM
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Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

Thanks, will KNFB reader work or seeing a i?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 08:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner.
The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.
And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.
Another good one is Prizmo Go.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 5:08 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
mailto:fiore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?
Thanks.

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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

what about super gluing your phone to your forehead
so it works like a go pro camera,

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Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 1:43 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen

On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise
People should get out of my way!

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
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Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.
The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.
Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

Read the full article here
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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Sorry which virus?

From: 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
Sent: Sunday, 1 November 2020 1:34 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Kristeen Hughes 
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen

On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise
People should get out of my way!

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.
The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.
Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

Read the full article here
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Re: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread Marty Hutchings


I have a 32 bit Windows 7 machine.



Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
Shakespeare who said: “Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and 
fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Chaltain

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

It is hardware dependent, but computers have been able to run 64-bit 
operating systems for probably more than 15 years. Unless you bought a 
netbook 10 years ago, any computer you've purchased in the last 15 years, if 
not longer, has been able to run a 64-bit operating system. Computers cut 
over to a 64-bit architecture during Windows 2000, and like I said, any 
computer running Windows 7 was almost assuredly a 64-bit computer.


--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Simon,

I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit 
Windows was
hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what you suggest if 
his
computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows. I welcome any correction 
on

this because it was quite a while ago that I was running a 32-bit Windows
machine.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hi Mark,

 I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64 bit 
issue as

your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,

And that doesn't work in most cases.

 Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,  What
about updating to a 64 bit windows version?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:09 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit 
Desktop

as my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, 
once

upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer 
supports

device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to 
remove the
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, 
prefer
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade 
iTunes

12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear 
to be

a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions

older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do 
not

have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of
iTunes for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows 
that
allows for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating 
system that
are at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft 
Store?


All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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RE: Venmo Questions

2020-10-31 Thread sherrywells1157

I had lunch with my niece today who knew how to enable the pin for Venmo.  I 
think it is under navigation drawer / settings / pin.  But I would advise 
against doing this as the screen to enter your pin upon opening the app is not 
very accessible.  You have to double tap on the enter pin line.  Split tapping 
does not work.  When running your finger over the keyboard voice over only 
sporadically announces the number.  I was able to sign in but with a great deal 
of difficulty.  I will be turning enable pin off assuming I can get back in 
later.  

 

I too was surprised to see transactions from various people.  As Christopher 
mentioned, no amounts are given.  Still, I have no interest in seeing these.  
There is probably a way to turn them off but that is a low priority right now.

 

If I can figure it out, I’ll try enabling a password or touch id rather than a 
pin.  Then maybe I’ll be ready to pay someone some money!

 

Sherry Wells 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Venmo Questions

 

I've never sent money with Venmo but I've spent some time messing with the app 
since Sherry's post. Some of my problems with it are I'm unable to turn on 
Touch ID and passcode. The app takes you through entering a 4-digit PIN and 
verifying it and after completion, the Touch ID and passcode setting is still 
turned off. I've written Venmo Support about this and we'll see what happens. 
When attempting to authorize and remember a device using Venmo, VoiceOver isn't 
clear at identifying which devices if any have been so remembered. Also, I have 
to sign into the app each time I want to use it which is insane in this day and 
age and no doubt relates to my Touch ID setting difficulty. The app will work 
but I find things such as this a little too clunky for my taste. And why anyone 
would let their financial interactions be reported by such an app is beyond me. 
I expect one can turn off this setting but I'm surprised by what was displayed 
by my few contacts using Venmo who have apparently left some sort of public 
setting turned on.

 

Alan Lemly

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

Hi,

I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it isn't 
the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't finish 
syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit field into 
which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. 
Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can choose 
between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up that I can't recall 
if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when executing my first 
payment.

You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.

 

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code and 
Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done all 
within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping on 
the "navigation drawer."

I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the year 
and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She departed 
and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to find out 
what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit 
such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly felt very old 
and last century (laughs). But since it was her favorite though she accepted 
others I learned how to use it quickly and she was never the wiser but I did 
learn something new in 2020 so that's something.

It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.

 

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.

I hope this helps.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi list,

 

Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.

1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over

2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes later.  
I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over

RE: Tribit MaxSound Plus Portable Bluetooth Speaker dimensions was RE: Speakers

2020-10-31 Thread Kevin Minor

Hi.

I’m planning on getting this speaker this week, but this depends on the 
Bluetooth range. If it’s actually close to what’s advertised, it will be 
incredible. I just want to find out if it’s accurate.

Kevin and Jilly the flying doggie

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 3:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Tribit MaxSound Plus Portable Bluetooth Speaker dimensions was RE: 
Speakers


The dimensions of this speaker from the Amazon website are: 7.80 x 2.70 x 2.80 
inches. I believe that is width by height by depth. The info came from this 
website:



https://www.amazon.com/Tribit-MaxSound-Bluetooth-Exceptional-Waterproof/dp/B07MQWG3PR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1=tribit+bluetooth+speaker=1603655092=electronics=1-1-spons=1=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExMk1TNE9RRkxJRERKJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDc5ODY5MThHUUIyT1hEWEpUNSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDA0MDUyMUw3UUgxOE9YU1BKMCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=



Alan Lemly



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 2:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Speakers



Andrew, I am not very good with dementions, however, the speaker can be used 
with the victor stream no problems.  I don't use mine with the victor stream, 
but this speaker and a lot of others I know about can be used with the victor 
stream.  I've got a lot of speakers I'm trying to sell that would be perfect 
with the victor stream.  I like to use a speaker with my stream and watch 
described movies it works very well.

The tribet speaker is a great speaker and I'm sure you'd like it with your 
stream.



On 10/25/20, Andrew J. LaPointe 
mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:

> Is this the speaker that has a metal grill?  It is rubber?  Do you

> know what the dimensions are?  One more question, can you use it with

> the victor stream with a 3.5 plug?  Thanks so much.  I heard a sample

> on youtube

>

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of

> Joshua Hendrickson

> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 12:44 PM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: Speakers

>

> Esther, you'll really enjoy the speaker.  It is a pretty good one

> especially for its price.  Youtube is a pretty good place if you want

> to look up reviews of bluetooth speakers.  It was because of a review

> on youtube that I purchased the tribit speaker.

>

> On 10/25/20, Esther 
> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

>> hey, Joshua, I am a speaker nut! I sent away for that Amazon speaker

>> you told us about. Supposedly, I will get it tomorrow. I can't wait!

>> Thanks for this information. Esther

>>

>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

>>

>>> On Oct 24, 2020, at 11:10 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>> mailto:louv...@gmail.com>>

>>> wrote:

>>>

>>> ?Here you go.  This link from amazon will take you direct to the

>>> speaker.  The price is $57 and it is totally worth every penny.

>>>

>>> https://www.amazon.com/Tribit-Bluetooth-Speaker-Portable-Waterproof/

>>> d

>>> p/B0784ZQFHZ/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?cv_ct_cx=tribit+stormbox+

>>> s

>>> peaker=1=tribit+stormbox+speaker_rd_i=B0784ZQFHZ&

>>> p

>>> d_rd_r=db404f53-9e5e-4e32-a673-98e5e1c3a944_rd_w=WUjKh_rd_wg=T

>>> u

>>> tAz_rd_p=d8781cb2-590e-4599-9299-188f35162ede_rd_r=8TYQ6Q298MX

>>> X

>>> 4QY19CTX=1=1603595344=1-1-791c2399-d602-4248-afbb-8a79de2

>>> d

>>> 236f

>>>

 On 10/24/20, Rebecca Sabo 
 mailto:beckyas...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 Hi

 Where do

Re: Setting up an Apple Watch series 3

Check in the watch app under Face Gallery. That should show you the faces 
immediately available for your specific watch.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Mervin Keck  wrote:

I don't know if it is available for the Series Three. I have the Series Six. 
However, I have the Infograph Modular with six complications. It is free with 
the watch and I like it because I can add so many complications.
Merv

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Verrier
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Setting up an Apple Watch series 3

Hi I also am going to get this moddle of apple watch and would like to know the 
ancer to this question as well. What faces offer the most complications and 
stuff like that. I have some podcasts and text files that some one gladly sent 
me that I am reviewing but I would like to know as mutch as I can about this 
moddle as possible from others before I get it. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mervin 
Keck
Sent: October 30, 2020 11:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Setting up an Apple Watch series 3

I always liked to choose faces that allow for a decent amount of complications. 
Some faces do not have any complications. And I like weather apps like Dark sky 
and of course I keep the battery status and the Workout app on my face.
I had a Series Two which is similar to the Series Three. Now I have a Series 
six.
I half expect apple to figure out how to put a thermometer in the next Series. 
Laughs!
Merv



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Setting up an Apple Watch series 3

Hi I got an Apple Watch Series 3 and wondering if there’s anything special I 
need to know before setting it up also what apps do people like and find 
helpful for using the watch with voiceover

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RE: Question regarding third-party calling.

2020-10-31 Thread Carolyn

Thanks, Richard. You're the one that showed me how to make third-party calls, 
and now this solution. Thanks again. 

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there should have been an icon at the top left that said something like call in 
progress. Double tap that to go back to your original call. 

Richard
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On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Today, I made a third-party call, only the party was not
able to talk at that particular time. 

So, my question is, what was I supposed to have done to try
to get back to my original party, since I could not add a
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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread Yohandy

You probably can't reliably do it from a phone, but I wonder... Has 
anyone here tried the WeWalk smart cane attachment? It has all kinds of 
sensors on it. I wonder if it works. I sorta wanna get one myself haha. 
such a neat concept, and one I'm actually surprised no one came up with 
until now. They're even working with Microsoft AI for accessibility 
program now. This is gonna be seriously innovative.









On 10/31/2020 5:21 PM, Michael Irons wrote:
Hello everyone I know that at present, we don’t have the technology in 
place that can actually tell us on the phone how far away we are from 
other people. I did take the basic precautions when I do go out. I 
have gotten the flu shot. Just wanted y’all to know that I am doing 
what I can recently do to try and stay safe.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain > wrote:


I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US 
have contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. 
Both these numbers far exceed any number of people that have been 
assaulted by someone rioting. You don’t need to stop living your 
life, but when you did get out, for your health and the health of the 
people around you, please take simple and obvious precautions, e.g. 
socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, wear a mask, 
wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.


I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others 
have already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when 
walking around to keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how 
COVID-19 is most commonly spread. The usefulness is when standing or 
sitting with people around you. You can use this app to make sure 
people are standing and sitting more than six feet away from you. If 
someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried about either 
their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.


--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> *On 
Behalf Of *CrazyEyez

*Sent:* Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far 
away people are


Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand 
and my cane in the other.


How am I to carry stuff?

Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if 
there was a chest rig for your phone.


Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than 
you are to contracting the virus by bumping into someone.


Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.

Continue on living your lives.

Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu 
can get you!


Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they
are attractive. They could give you the virus, or they could be
afraid you would give it to them, and that could be unpleasant. I
too would love to have his visor, but we may have to look at the
tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if this could
help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen

On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if
it’s me losing the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so
I can tell where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,

I just hope she is attractive,

Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be
my mother or young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise

People should get out of my way!

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>*On Behalf Of*karuna Chopra
*Sent:*Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
*To:*ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
*Subject:*iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away
people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its
practical use for us?

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video.
Each dot reports back the precise distance of what it reflects
off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all.
If someone is there, it will then say how far away the closest
person is in feet or meters, updating regularly as they approach
or move further away. The sound corresponds in stereo to the
direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain
distances. For

Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread Michael Irons

Hello everyone I know that at present, we don’t have the technology in place 
that can actually tell us on the phone how far away we are from other people. I 
did take the basic precautions when I do go out. I have gotten the flu shot. 
Just wanted y’all to know that I am doing what I can recently do to try and 
stay safe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
> contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
> numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
> rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, 
> for your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple 
> and obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as 
> possible, wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.
>  
> I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
> already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
> keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
> spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. 
> You can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than 
> six feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re 
> worried about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder 
> for the COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people 
> are
>  
> Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
> cane in the other.
> How am I to carry stuff?
> Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there 
> was a chest rig for your phone.
> Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
> contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
> Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
> Continue on living your lives.
> Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
> you!
>  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are 
> attractive. They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would 
> give it to them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his 
> visor, but we may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time 
> being. I wonder if this could help us with regard to staying distanced from 
> people.
>  
> Kristeen
>  
>  
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
> the plot.
>  
> I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
> where the closest person is,
>  
> If I walk in to someone,
> I just hope she is attractive,
> Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
> young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
>  
> Otherwise 
> People should get out of my way!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna 
> Chopra
> Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
> To: ViPhone 
> Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
>  
>  
>  
> Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical 
> use for us? 
>  
> The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
> reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
> 
> First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone 
> is there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or 
> meters, updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound 
> corresponds in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
> Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. 
> For example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
> person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. 
> After all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they 
> care about is staying two paces away.
> The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
> hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets 
> closer.
> Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the 
> world around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
> Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
> make a person want a bit of help in that

RE: changing 24-hour clock to 12-hour clock

2020-10-31 Thread CJ & AA MAY

Thanks Richard. I will tell her. 
I have read so many messages about problems with IOS 14, I personally have 
updated yet.
Alison


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: 31 October 2020 20:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing 24-hour clock to 12-hour clock

Yes.
Open settings, General, Date and Time.
The first item is 24 hour clock, it has an on/off toggle.
Mine is off.
So, your friend should be able to simply double tap and turn it off.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper  

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & AA 
MAY
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: changing 24-hour clock to 12-hour clock

I'm asking on behalf of a friend who recently upgraded to the latest version of 
IOS. Since doing so, her phone is using the 24-hour clock, which she really 
doesn't get on with. Is it possible to change it back to a 12-hour clock in the 
clock settings in IOS 14?Alison


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RE: Setting up an Apple Watch series 3

2020-10-31 Thread Mervin Keck

I don't know if it is available for the Series Three. I have the Series Six. 
However, I have the Infograph Modular with six complications. It is free with 
the watch and I like it because I can add so many complications. 
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Hi I also am going to get this moddle of apple watch and would like to know the 
ancer to this question as well. What faces offer the most complications and 
stuff like that. I have some podcasts and text files that some one gladly sent 
me that I am reviewing but I would like to know as mutch as I can about this 
moddle as possible from others before I get it. From Mich.

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I always liked to choose faces that allow for a decent amount of complications. 
Some faces do not have any complications. And I like weather apps like Dark sky 
and of course I keep the battery status and the Workout app on my face.
I had a Series Two which is similar to the Series Three. Now I have a Series 
six. 
I half expect apple to figure out how to put a thermometer in the next Series. 
Laughs!
Merv



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Hi I got an Apple Watch Series 3 and wondering if there’s anything special I 
need to know before setting it up also what apps do people like and find 
helpful for using the watch with voiceover

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Re: Question regarding third-party calling.

there should have been an icon at the top left that said something like call in 
progress. Double tap that to go back to your original call.




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On Oct 31, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Today, I made a third-party call, only the party was not
able to talk at that particular time.

So, my question is, what was I supposed to have done to try
to get back to my original party, since I could not add a
call? Thanks.

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Question regarding third-party calling.

2020-10-31 Thread Carolyn

Today, I made a third-party call, only the party was not
able to talk at that particular time. 

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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread Dennis Long

I agree with CrazyEyez on this one. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, for 
your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple and 
obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, 
wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.

I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. You 
can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than six 
feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried 
about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.

How am I to carry stuff?

Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.

Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.

Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.

Continue on living your lives.

Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen

On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,

I just hope she is attractive,

Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise 

People should get out of my way!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us? 

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

Read the full article

RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

There sure seems to be a lot of faces available for free on the watch.
I'm leaning toward Mickey Mouse since I never had a Mickey Mouse watch growing 
up, grin.
Besides, since you can have Mickey say the time, my 4 and 6 year old great, 
great, nephews will enjoy that.
Frankly, I don't care what it looks like since I have no vision; I just want it 
to be functional.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mervin 
Keck
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yu have a pretty good idea of the watch face. I am always looking for a better 
face but I never want to go buying new faces just to see if they are accessible 
or if they have the flexibility that I am looking for. Not all faces allow for 
customization or addition of extra complications. The one I am using now 
allowed me to match the color of the face to my sports watch band. And it 
allowed me to choose five complications plus date in addition to the time which 
is the main attraction as you pointed out. I added battery status, Dark sky 
Weather, Reminders, Workout, and Moving but I can change it any time I feel 
like it. I'm on the lookout for one that emphasizes health and fitness and plan 
on just keeping weather and battery plus maybe four health and fitness related 
widget type complications on the face.
If I press the crown which is that big button on my watch I can bring up the 
home screen where all of my installed apps are ready and waiting. I can then 
just swipe left and right and scroll right through them and tap the one I want 
to activate.
I have found the ECG and blood Oxygen apps to be very handy since getting my 
Series six as I am diabetic and I have a Seizure disorder. I'm hoping not to 
ever use the fall detection during a grand mal. 
Merv



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yes, as I understand it, the watch face is like your traditional watch with 
extras.
The time is pretty obviously the main feature, but you can add 
items/complications, at various points around the watch face to have quick 
access to other information.  If I am right, those are like the widgets on the 
iPhone.
I won't have my watch yet for a couple of weeks, but that is my understanding 
and am happy to hear more and better explanations.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,


This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend some 
things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and all the things 
I can do with it.


Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are different 
watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.


So here is where I am a bit confused.


What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?


Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.


So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as the 
time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?


I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to a 
point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much 
appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

2020-10-31 Thread Mervin Keck

Yu have a pretty good idea of the watch face. I am always looking for a better 
face but I never want to go buying new faces just to see if they are accessible 
or if they have the flexibility that I am looking for. Not all faces allow for 
customization or addition of extra complications. The one I am using now 
allowed me to match the color of the face to my sports watch band. And it 
allowed me to choose five complications plus date in addition to the time which 
is the main attraction as you pointed out. I added battery status, Dark sky 
Weather, Reminders, Workout, and Moving but I can change it any time I feel 
like it. I'm on the lookout for one that emphasizes health and fitness and plan 
on just keeping weather and battery plus maybe four health and fitness related 
widget type complications on the face.
If I press the crown which is that big button on my watch I can bring up the 
home screen where all of my installed apps are ready and waiting. I can then 
just swipe left and right and scroll right through them and tap the one I want 
to activate.
I have found the ECG and blood Oxygen apps to be very handy since getting my 
Series six as I am diabetic and I have a Seizure disorder. I'm hoping not to 
ever use the fall detection during a grand mal. 
Merv



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yes, as I understand it, the watch face is like your traditional watch with 
extras.
The time is pretty obviously the main feature, but you can add 
items/complications, at various points around the watch face to have quick 
access to other information.  If I am right, those are like the widgets on the 
iPhone.
I won't have my watch yet for a couple of weeks, but that is my understanding 
and am happy to hear more and better explanations.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper  

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,


This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend some 
things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and all the things 
I can do with it.


Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are different 
watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.


So here is where I am a bit confused.


What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?


Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.


So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as 
the time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?


I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to 
a point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much 
appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: changing 24-hour clock to 12-hour clock

Yes.
Open settings, General, Date and Time.
The first item is 24 hour clock, it has an on/off toggle.
Mine is off.
So, your friend should be able to simply double tap and turn it off.



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I'm asking on behalf of a friend who recently upgraded to the latest version of 
IOS. Since doing so, her phone is using the 24-hour clock, which she really 
doesn't get on with. Is it possible to change it back to a 12-hour clock in the 
clock settings in IOS 14?Alison


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RE: changing 24-hour clock to 12-hour clock

2020-10-31 Thread CJ & AA MAY

I'm asking on behalf of a friend who recently upgraded to the latest version of 
IOS. Since doing so, her phone is using the 24-hour clock, which she really 
doesn't get on with. Is it possible to change it back to a 12-hour clock in the 
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Re: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Is this something anyone can access? If so, what would the link be?




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On Oct 31, 2020, at 11:59 AM, Mich Verrier  wrote:

Hi Terri I just put a zip folder of apple watch info in our folder on dropbox. 
It includes different podcasts dun by David woodbrige and text files. My thanks 
to john pearson for this info. From Mich.

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Sent: October 31, 2020 1:56 PM
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Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,


This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend
some things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and
all the things I can do with it.


Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are
different watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.


So here is where I am a bit confused.


What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?


Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well
several of them. And I can of course access them.


So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as
the time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?


I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to
a point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much
appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: What exactly is a widget?

On a home page, which includes the today screen, I just flick down on an icon 
and double tap when I hear edit mode. At the top of the resulting dialog you'll 
have the option to add a widget. This will give you the list of available 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> how do you find out if your app has a wigit please
> 
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> 
> Hi here's how someone described it to me, hope its clear.
> A widget is a small icon that you place on your home page to get the
> information you need that updates all the time. For instance, I have my 
> calendar
> widget and my weather widget on my home screen so I can flick to either widget
> and get real time information. My weather one gives me the current
> temperature as well as the high and low. My calendar gives me my next event. 
> If
> I need more detail, I can double tap on the widget and it opens the app. Very
> practical for things you check quite often. Note that not all apps yet have a
> widget but they will come soon. I am thinking of putting my Parcel widget 
> there
> so I can track my parcels location in real time. The thing you have to 
> remember
> is that adding widgets to your home screen will need space so they will push 
> the
> apps at the bottom of your screen to the next page.
> 
> HTH
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> So what exactly is a wigit?
> 
> Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?
> 
> And what might be some benefits of using them?
> 
> 
> I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
> understand
> as to why now my whole main screen seems covered in them.
> 
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
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RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

2020-10-31 Thread Mich Verrier

Hi Terri I just put a zip folder of apple watch info in our folder on dropbox. 
It includes different podcasts dun by David woodbrige and text files. My thanks 
to john pearson for this info. From Mich.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: October 31, 2020 1:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,

This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend 
some things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and 
all the things I can do with it.

Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are 
different watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.

So here is where I am a bit confused.

What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?

Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.

So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as 
the time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?

I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to 
a point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much 
appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri

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RE: Venmo Questions

You’ll have to enter your banking information before you can use Venmo. It’ll 
definitely save this information. You can set it up to both pay out of this 
bank account as well as receive money to this bank account, in case someone 
wants to pay you for something. I only have it set up with one account, but I 
assume you could configure it to use multiple accounts and probably choose 
between them.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 9:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Venmo Questions

 

Hello Robin,

 

Thanks for this info.  It took me a while to figure out that navigation drawer 
is what you need to click to get to settings.  What I want is to have Venmo 
prompt me for a pin or password when I open the app.  I found the devices 
setting & mine shows my iphone & says I won’t be prompted for a password if I 
use this device.  I  can find no way to change this.  I created a password when 
signing up but can find no way to get Venmo to use it.  

 

I don’t mind typing in a name when I want to send someone money.  Is there a 
way to add individuals to a list within Venmo?  I’m not on Facebook & adding 
contacts didn’t work.

 

Lastly, I have not used Venmo yet.  Will it prompt me for my bank info when I 
try to pay someone?  I’m guessing it will save this info so I don’t have to 
enter it every time.  I don’t want to do this until I make sure the app is 
password protected.

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 3:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

Hi,

I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it isn't 
the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't finish 
syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit field into 
which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. 
Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can choose 
between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up that I can't recall 
if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when executing my first 
payment.

You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.

 

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code and 
Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done all 
within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping on 
the "navigation drawer."

I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the year 
and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She departed 
and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to find out 
what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit 
such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly felt very old 
and last century (laughs). But since it was her favorite though she accepted 
others I learned how to use it quickly and she was never the wiser but I did 
learn something new in 2020 so that's something.

It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.

 

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.

I hope this helps.

Take good care.

Robin

 

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  wrote:

Hi list,

 

Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.

1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over

2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes later.  
I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I finally 
skipped this step.

3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself

4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password.  
One of the early steps in the install was to enter a password.  The app opened 
without my entering a password.

 

I have not tried to transfer money yet.  Perhaps when I do, I will be prompted 
for bank info then.  I want to wait until the app only opens with a password 
before I enter any bank info.  Or maybe you only get prompted for a password 
when you try to transfer money? 

 

Has anyone else had these kinds of problems?  Is there

RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

It is hardware dependent, but computers have been able to run 64-bit operating 
systems for probably more than 15 years. Unless you bought a netbook 10 years 
ago, any computer you've purchased in the last 15 years, if not longer, has 
been able to run a 64-bit operating system. Computers cut over to a 64-bit 
architecture during Windows 2000, and like I said, any computer running Windows 
7 was almost assuredly a 64-bit computer.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
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> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> Simon,
> 
> I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit Windows 
> was
> hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what you suggest if his
> computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows. I welcome any correction on
> this because it was quite a while ago that I was running a 32-bit Windows
> machine.
> 
> Alan Lemly
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
>  I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64 bit issue 
> as
> your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,
> 
> And that doesn't work in most cases.
> 
>  Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,  What
> about updating to a 64 bit windows version?
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop
> as my primary iTunes Library manager.
> 
> As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, 
> once
> upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.
> 
> While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports
> device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.
> 
> So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove 
> the
> app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer
> to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes
> 12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.
> 
> So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to 
> be
> a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.
> 
> Have I waited too long to update?
> 
> The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
> versions
> older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.
> 
> So, I have two questions:
> 
> 1.
> What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not
> have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.
> 
> 2.
> Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of
> iTunes for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that
> allows for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system 
> that
> are at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated.
> 
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RE: Venmo Questions

Note that when you’re looking at a public feed, you don’t see the amounts of 
the transactions. You just see that someone paid Mark for mowing their lawn or 
Christopher tipped Alex for her show Thursday night.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

When you send money with Venmo you get choices between public, friends, or 
private feed. I believe it defaults to public feed and if you don’t change that 
then any of your friends who are using Venmo can see your transactions. I 
always change mine to private.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.





On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Alan Lemly mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



I've never sent money with Venmo but I've spent some time messing with the app 
since Sherry's post. Some of my problems with it are I'm unable to turn on 
Touch ID and passcode. The app takes you through entering a 4-digit PIN and 
verifying it and after completion, the Touch ID and passcode setting is still 
turned off. I've written Venmo Support about this and we'll see what happens. 
When attempting to authorize and remember a device using Venmo, VoiceOver isn't 
clear at identifying which devices if any have been so remembered. Also, I have 
to sign into the app each time I want to use it which is insane in this day and 
age and no doubt relates to my Touch ID setting difficulty. The app will work 
but I find things such as this a little too clunky for my taste. And why anyone 
would let their financial interactions be reported by such an app is beyond me. 
I expect one can turn off this setting but I'm surprised by what was displayed 
by my few contacts using Venmo who have apparently left some sort of public 
setting turned on.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

Hi,

I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it isn't 
the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't finish 
syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit field into 
which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. 
Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can choose 
between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up that I can't recall 
if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when executing my first 
payment.

You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.

 

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code and 
Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done all 
within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping on 
the "navigation drawer."

I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the year 
and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She departed 
and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to find out 
what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit 
such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly felt very old 
and last century (laughs). But since it was her favorite though she accepted 
others I learned how to use it quickly and she was never the wiser but I did 
learn something new in 2020 so that's something.

It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.

 

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.

I hope this helps.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi list,

 

Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.

1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over

2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes later.  
I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I finally 
skipped this step.

3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself

4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password.  
One of the early steps in the install

RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

I find this to be a very dangerous post. 8 million people in the US have 
contracted COVID-19 and over 200,000 people have died from it. Both these 
numbers far exceed any number of people that have been assaulted by someone 
rioting. You don’t need to stop living your life, but when you did get out, for 
your health and the health of the people around you, please take simple and 
obvious precautions, e.g. socially distance, stay outside as much as possible, 
wear a mask, wash your hands, get a flu shot and so on.

 

I’m not sure how useful this app would be, for the reasons as others have 
already posted, but the usefulness isn’t in using it when walking around to 
keep from bumping into people, since this isn’t how COVID-19 is most commonly 
spread. The usefulness is when standing or sitting with people around you. You 
can use this app to make sure people are standing and sitting more than six 
feet away from you. If someone is closer then six feet, and you’re worried 
about either their safety or yours, you can move to make it harder for the 
COVID-19 carrying droplets to span the distance.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 7:43 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

 

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.

How am I to carry stuff?

Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.

Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.

Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.

Continue on living your lives.

Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

 

Kristeen

 

 

On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

 

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

 

If I walk in to someone,

I just hope she is attractive,

Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

 

Otherwise 

People should get out of my way!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

 

 

 

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us? 

 

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

 

 

 

Read the full article here 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/30/iphones-can-now-tell-blind-users-where-and-how-far-away-people-are/

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RE: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Yes, as I understand it, the watch face is like your traditional watch with 
extras.
The time is pretty obviously the main feature, but you can add 
items/complications, at various points around the watch face to have quick 
access to other information.  If I am right, those are like the widgets on the 
iPhone.
I won't have my watch yet for a couple of weeks, but that is my understanding 
and am happy to hear more and better explanations.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

Hello everyone,


This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend some 
things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and all the things 
I can do with it.


Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are different 
watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.


So here is where I am a bit confused.


What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?


Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.


So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as 
the time, and your calendar, and so forth?

How can having several complications set up, come in handy?


I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to 
a point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much 
appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: What exactly is a widget?

Are you on iOS 14?
If so, page 1 is now back to being the main home screen.
When you do the 3 finger swipe left to right, you are on the Today screen or 
whatever you want to call it where some default widgets show up.
To remove a Widget, swipe to the very bottom of that screen and double tap on 
Edit.
Then, again swipe to the bottom and double tap on customize.
Then, when you touch a widget you wish to remove, flick down with one finger 
until you hear Remove and double tap.
It is now gone from that screen.

HTH,

Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What exactly is a widget?

Hello everyone,

Thank you to all who responded to my questions. I really appreciate the help. 
This has helped me to understand more what wigits are, and how they work.

I don't plan to use them. I don't have any vision at all. While I can see how 
they would be helpful for some people, I think they would just frustrate me.

Also, what I was calling my main home screen, is the today screen. I wasn't 
realizing that's what it was. So I was saying my main home screen.

On the today screen, I can see several different wigits. I think one is 
for maps. But one is for my battery status.

I was wondering, can I remove wigits? Is this possible?

Or can I somehow make my today screen look differently, still showing 
what I need, but without wigits?

Thank you all again for the help. This list really is a big help to me. 
I do try to Google stuff at times. But as much as I know it can be 
frustrating for some, it's easier just to ask here, and get responses 
from others.

Thank you,

Terri

On 10/30/2020 7:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> A widget is something you can place on your home page that will display some 
> information to you without opening the app. You could see the forecast for 
> the day with a weather app, or the newest podcast that's shown up with the 
> widget for your podcast app. Tapping on an widget can also behave differently 
> then tapping on an app.
>
> All of the widgets I've tried have worked well with VoiceOver. Widgets aren't 
> as convenient for a blind person as they are for a sighted person, since you 
> still need to touch the screen and give a widget focus to see what it's 
> telling you, as opposed to a sighted person, who just has to glance at their 
> screen to get that information. I still find some widgets useful, but not as 
> many as I do on Android, where widgets seem a bit more mature to me, and you 
> seem to have so many more choices. Whether you'll find any widgets useful or 
> not, especially on one of your home pages, is something that only you'll be 
> able to decide for yourself.
>
> In IOS 14, you have the option to add a widget to any home screen. They seem 
> to always take up a two by two grid, so you have to give up the real estate 
> of four app icons for one widget. The today screen, which is the screen to 
> the left of your first home page, has always been made up of widgets. The 
> difference in IOS 14 is that you can now place widgets on any home page. I 
> suspect that what you're calling your main home page is the today screen.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Terri Stimmel
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 4:04 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What exactly is a wigit?
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>>
>> So what exactly is a wigit?
>>
>> Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?
>>
>> And what might be some benefits of using them?
>>
>>
>> I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
>> understand
>> as to why now my whole main screen seems covered in them.
>>
>>
>> Any help is appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>>
>> Terri
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Differences between watch face, and home of the watch

2020-10-31 Thread Terri Stimmel


Hello everyone,


This might seem like a silly question. But I am trying to comprehend 
some things. I am trying to get better at understanding my watch, and 
all the things I can do with it.



Ok, so I know I have the watch face. And I understand that there are 
different watch faces I can have, with different complications on them.



So here is where I am a bit confused.


What is the difference between the watch face, and the home screen?


Now I know when I go to the home screen that I can see all my Apps. Well 
several of them. And I can of course access them.



So is the watch face there just so you can see different things? Such as 
the time, and your calendar, and so forth?


How can having several complications set up, come in handy?


I know this all might seem simple for most. And it is. I get the idea to 
a point. I guess just somehow I am a bit confused. So any help is much 
appreciated.



Thank you,


Terri

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Re: What exactly is a widget?

2020-10-31 Thread Terri Stimmel


Hello everyone,


Thank you to all who responded to my questions. I really appreciate the 
help. This has helped me to understand more what wigits are, and how 
they work.


I don't plan to use them. I don't have any vision at all. While I can 
see how they would be helpful for some people, I think they would just 
frustrate me.



Also, what I was calling my main home screen, is the today screen. I 
wasn't realizing that's what it was. So I was saying my main home screen.



On the today screen, I can see several different wigits. I think one is 
for maps. But one is for my battery status.


I was wondering, can I remove wigits? Is this possible?

Or can I somehow make my today screen look differently, still showing 
what I need, but without wigits?



Thank you all again for the help. This list really is a big help to me. 
I do try to Google stuff at times. But as much as I know it can be 
frustrating for some, it's easier just to ask here, and get responses 
from others.



Thank you,


Terri

On 10/30/2020 7:10 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

A widget is something you can place on your home page that will display some 
information to you without opening the app. You could see the forecast for the 
day with a weather app, or the newest podcast that's shown up with the widget 
for your podcast app. Tapping on an widget can also behave differently then 
tapping on an app.

All of the widgets I've tried have worked well with VoiceOver. Widgets aren't 
as convenient for a blind person as they are for a sighted person, since you 
still need to touch the screen and give a widget focus to see what it's telling 
you, as opposed to a sighted person, who just has to glance at their screen to 
get that information. I still find some widgets useful, but not as many as I do 
on Android, where widgets seem a bit more mature to me, and you seem to have so 
many more choices. Whether you'll find any widgets useful or not, especially on 
one of your home pages, is something that only you'll be able to decide for 
yourself.

In IOS 14, you have the option to add a widget to any home screen. They seem to 
always take up a two by two grid, so you have to give up the real estate of 
four app icons for one widget. The today screen, which is the screen to the 
left of your first home page, has always been made up of widgets. The 
difference in IOS 14 is that you can now place widgets on any home page. I 
suspect that what you're calling your main home page is the today screen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What exactly is a wigit?

Hello everyone,


So what exactly is a wigit?

Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?

And what might be some benefits of using them?


I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
understand
as to why now my whole main screen seems covered in them.


Any help is appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread Dennis Long

Ninite is a safe and good site.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Alan,

This was a marvelous idea.

I ran the command.  A couple of years ago, the updater would list both the 
iCloud control panel for Windows and iTunes.  Now, however, it only list the 
iCloud control panel.

I have a lot of 32-bit only software on this computer that I use for work.  
And, while I will certainly have to get a new computer with Windows 10, at 
present, I want to continue using this PC for as long as possible.  

I purchased this particular PC back in 2009 and it runs like a champ.  I 
believe the hardware on the PC is 64-bit but, as I stated, some of the old 
software is running 32-bit. 

I found a site from Tech Crunch that offers iTunes 12.10.x for Windows 7, 
32-bit but I am somewhat leery of sites offering iTunes downloads when Apple, 
itself, does not.  Something just doesn't seem right about that.

Now, I have another Windows 7 PC, that is running 64-bit Windows.  I will 
attempt to run the Apple software updater on that PC and see what happens.  

What I find most interesting is that on the Apple download site, one can find 
much older versions of iTunes for Windows but not iTunes 12.7; this makes no 
sense to me.

I may have to wait until I purchase a new Desktop running Windows 10 before I 
can move forward on this but I never would have guessed that this would be the 
case.  

Had I known that my option to update to the latest version of iTunes would be 
at issue, I would have updated last year, when I had the chance.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Mark,

I don't know whether the latest iTunes for Windows version will run on a 32-bit 
system but I'd recommend you execute your Windows 7 Start button and type Apple 
Software update in the box and see what it offers you. That's how I've gotten 
past iTunes versions on my Windows 7 64-bit system when I had trouble getting 
them from the Microsoft Store.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

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M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark

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RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Alan,

This was a marvelous idea.

I ran the command.  A couple of years ago, the updater would list both the 
iCloud control panel for Windows and iTunes.  Now, however, it only list the 
iCloud control panel.

I have a lot of 32-bit only software on this computer that I use for work.  
And, while I will certainly have to get a new computer with Windows 10, at 
present, I want to continue using this PC for as long as possible.  

I purchased this particular PC back in 2009 and it runs like a champ.  I 
believe the hardware on the PC is 64-bit but, as I stated, some of the old 
software is running 32-bit. 

I found a site from Tech Crunch that offers iTunes 12.10.x for Windows 7, 
32-bit but I am somewhat leery of sites offering iTunes downloads when Apple, 
itself, does not.  Something just doesn't seem right about that.

Now, I have another Windows 7 PC, that is running 64-bit Windows.  I will 
attempt to run the Apple software updater on that PC and see what happens.  

What I find most interesting is that on the Apple download site, one can find 
much older versions of iTunes for Windows but not iTunes 12.7; this makes no 
sense to me.

I may have to wait until I purchase a new Desktop running Windows 10 before I 
can move forward on this but I never would have guessed that this would be the 
case.  

Had I known that my option to update to the latest version of iTunes would be 
at issue, I would have updated last year, when I had the chance.

Thank you all for your feedback on this.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alan Lemly
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Mark,

I don't know whether the latest iTunes for Windows version will run on a 32-bit 
system but I'd recommend you execute your Windows 7 Start button and type Apple 
Software update in the box and see what it offers you. That's how I've gotten 
past iTunes versions on my Windows 7 64-bit system when I had trouble getting 
them from the Microsoft Store.

Good luck.

Alan Lemly

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M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 11:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: Venmo Questions

2020-10-31 Thread Kimberly

When you send money with Venmo you get choices between public, friends, or 
private feed. I believe it defaults to public feed and if you don’t change that 
then any of your friends who are using Venmo can see your transactions. I 
always change mine to private.

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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've never sent money with Venmo but I've spent some time messing with the 
> app since Sherry's post. Some of my problems with it are I'm unable to turn 
> on Touch ID and passcode. The app takes you through entering a 4-digit PIN 
> and verifying it and after completion, the Touch ID and passcode setting is 
> still turned off. I've written Venmo Support about this and we'll see what 
> happens. When attempting to authorize and remember a device using Venmo, 
> VoiceOver isn't clear at identifying which devices if any have been so 
> remembered. Also, I have to sign into the app each time I want to use it 
> which is insane in this day and age and no doubt relates to my Touch ID 
> setting difficulty. The app will work but I find things such as this a little 
> too clunky for my taste. And why anyone would let their financial 
> interactions be reported by such an app is beyond me. I expect one can turn 
> off this setting but I'm surprised by what was displayed by my few contacts 
> using Venmo who have apparently left some sort of public setting turned on.
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Robin Frost
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Venmo Questions
>  
> Hi,
> 
> I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it 
> isn't the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't 
> finish syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit 
> field into which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it 
> within its users. Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then 
> you can choose between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up 
> that I can't recall if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when 
> executing my first payment.
> 
> You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
> viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
> can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.
> 
>  
> 
> It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
> device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code 
> and Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done 
> all within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping 
> on the "navigation drawer."
> 
> I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the 
> year and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She 
> departed and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to 
> find out what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't 
> want to admit such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I 
> suddenly felt very old and last century (laughs). But since it was her 
> favorite though she accepted others I learned how to use it quickly and she 
> was never the wiser but I did learn something new in 2020 so that's something.
> 
> It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
> still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
> competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.
> 
>  
> 
> I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
> many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Take good care.
> 
> Robin
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi list,
>  
> Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.
> 1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over
> 2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes 
> later.  I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I 
> finally skipped this step.
> 3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself
> 4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password. 
>  One of the early steps in the install was to enter a password.  The app 
> opened without my entering a password.
>  
> I have not tried to transfer money yet.  Perhaps when I do, I will be 
> prompted for bank info then.  I want to wait until the app only opens with a 
> password before I enter any bank info.  Or maybe you only get prompted for a 
> password when you try to transfer money?
>  
> Has anyone else had these kinds of

RE: Venmo Questions

2020-10-31 Thread Alan Lemly

I've never sent money with Venmo but I've spent some time messing with the app 
since Sherry's post. Some of my problems with it are I'm unable to turn on 
Touch ID and passcode. The app takes you through entering a 4-digit PIN and 
verifying it and after completion, the Touch ID and passcode setting is still 
turned off. I've written Venmo Support about this and we'll see what happens. 
When attempting to authorize and remember a device using Venmo, VoiceOver isn't 
clear at identifying which devices if any have been so remembered. Also, I have 
to sign into the app each time I want to use it which is insane in this day and 
age and no doubt relates to my Touch ID setting difficulty. The app will work 
but I find things such as this a little too clunky for my taste. And why anyone 
would let their financial interactions be reported by such an app is beyond me. 
I expect one can turn off this setting but I'm surprised by what was displayed 
by my few contacts using Venmo who have apparently left some sort of public 
setting turned on.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

Hi,

I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it isn't 
the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't finish 
syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit field into 
which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. 
Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can choose 
between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up that I can't recall 
if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when executing my first 
payment.

You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.

 

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code and 
Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done all 
within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping on 
the "navigation drawer."

I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the year 
and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She departed 
and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to find out 
what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit 
such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly felt very old 
and last century (laughs). But since it was her favorite though she accepted 
others I learned how to use it quickly and she was never the wiser but I did 
learn something new in 2020 so that's something.

It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.

 

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.

I hope this helps.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi list,

 

Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.

1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over

2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes later.  
I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I finally 
skipped this step.

3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself

4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password.  
One of the early steps in the install was to enter a password.  The app opened 
without my entering a password.

 

I have not tried to transfer money yet.  Perhaps when I do, I will be prompted 
for bank info then.  I want to wait until the app only opens with a password 
before I enter any bank info.  Or maybe you only get prompted for a password 
when you try to transfer money? 

 

Has anyone else had these kinds of problems?  Is there something I can do?  Any 
info would be helpful.

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells

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RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

2020-10-31 Thread Alan Lemly

Simon,

I might be wrong about this but I thought the ability to run 64-bit Windows was 
hardware dependent. I'm not convinced Mark could do what you suggest if his 
computer isn't capable of running 64-bit Windows. I welcome any correction on 
this because it was quite a while ago that I was running a 32-bit Windows 
machine.

Alan Lemly

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 2:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hi Mark,

 I'm wondering if your back up issue for your phone is simply a 64 bit issue as 
your OS and iTunes are 32 bit,

And that doesn't work in most cases.

 Apart from having to pretty much wipe your machine and start again,  What 
about updating to a 64 bit windows version?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 5:09 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iTunes for Windows 7, on a 32-bit PC, anyone?

Hello Everyone,

Okay, up until now, I have continued to use my old Windows 7, 32-bit Desktop as 
my primary iTunes Library manager.

As a result, I have iTunes 12.6.5.x on a Windows 7 PC.  As you may recall, once 
upon a time, this version allowed one to access the app store.

While it continues to allow one to access the App Store, it no longer supports 
device backup on anything running iOS 13 or later.

So, reluctantly, given that it would appear that Apple's decision to remove the 
app store from iTunes is permanent; and given that I would, once again, prefer 
to have actual iTunes backups of my devices, I have decided to upgrade iTunes 
12.6.x to the latest version of iTunes.

So, I went to apple.com/itunes and, to my surprise, there does not appear to be 
a 32-bit version of iTunes 12.7 available.  

Have I waited too long to update?

The only older versions of iTunes I can find on that particular site are 
versions older than 12.6 and all appear to be 64-bit only.

So, I have two questions:

1.
What is the latest version of iTunes for Windows?  Keep in mind that I do not 
have access to the Microsoft store on a Windows 7, 32-bit PC.

2.
Does anyone know from where I may download the latest 32-bit version of iTunes 
for Windows 7?  Is anyone running a version of iTunes for Windows that allows 
for backing up iOS / iPad OS running versions of the operating system that are 
at least 13.x or higher, that was not downloaded from the Microsoft Store?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: Venmo Questions

2020-10-31 Thread Kimberly

Once you use the app to send someone money their name, or the one they use in 
Venmo, will be in a list of suggestions once you edit the to field.

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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 10:18 AM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Robin,
>  
> Thanks for this info.  It took me a while to figure out that navigation 
> drawer is what you need to click to get to settings.  What I want is to have 
> Venmo prompt me for a pin or password when I open the app.  I found the 
> devices setting & mine shows my iphone & says I won’t be prompted for a 
> password if I use this device.  I  can find no way to change this.  I created 
> a password when signing up but can find no way to get Venmo to use it. 
>  
> I don’t mind typing in a name when I want to send someone money.  Is there a 
> way to add individuals to a list within Venmo?  I’m not on Facebook & adding 
> contacts didn’t work.
>  
> Lastly, I have not used Venmo yet.  Will it prompt me for my bank info when I 
> try to pay someone?  I’m guessing it will save this info so I don’t have to 
> enter it every time.  I don’t want to do this until I make sure the app is 
> password protected.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
> Frost
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 3:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Venmo Questions
>  
> Hi,
> 
> I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it 
> isn't the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't 
> finish syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit 
> field into which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it 
> within its users. Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then 
> you can choose between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up 
> that I can't recall if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when 
> executing my first payment.
> 
> You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
> viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
> can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.
> 
>  
> 
> It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
> device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code 
> and Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done 
> all within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping 
> on the "navigation drawer."
> 
> I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the 
> year and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She 
> departed and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to 
> find out what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't 
> want to admit such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I 
> suddenly felt very old and last century (laughs). But since it was her 
> favorite though she accepted others I learned how to use it quickly and she 
> was never the wiser but I did learn something new in 2020 so that's something.
> 
> It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
> still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
> competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.
> 
>  
> 
> I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
> many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Take good care.
> 
> Robin
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi list,
>  
> Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.
> 1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over
> 2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes 
> later.  I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I 
> finally skipped this step.
> 3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself
> 4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password. 
>  One of the early steps in the install was to enter a password.  The app 
> opened without my entering a password.
>  
> I have not tried to transfer money yet.  Perhaps when I do, I will be 
> prompted for bank info then.  I want to wait until the app only opens with a 
> password before I enter any bank info.  Or maybe you only get prompted for a 
> password when you try to transfer money?
>  
> Has anyone else had these kinds of problems?  Is there something I can do?  
> Any info would be helpful.
>  
> Thanks,
> Sherry Wells
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RE: How to OCRa PDF

KNFB Reader will work, but I’m not sure if Seeing AI shows up in the share 
sheet.

If you have Voice Dream Reader, what is very slick is that if you add Voice 
Dream Scanner, you can open a PDF in Voice Dream Reader, and if it is an image 
PDF, it will show 0 bytes, 0 minutes and when you double tap on it, it will 
offer to use Scanner to OCR it and then the resulting, accessible file will be 
right there in Voice Dream Reader.



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others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

Live long and prosper 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John J. 
Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

Thanks, will KNFB reader work or seeing a i?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 08:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner.
The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.
And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.
Another good one is Prizmo Go.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 5:08 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. 
mailto:fiore...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?
Thanks.

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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread Maria Campbell


Who's not a Star trek fan?


Maria Campbell
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All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 10/31/2020 1:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Forget it, I want at least Geordi La Forge's visor if not his ocular 
prosthetics, a silly iPhone 12 Pro won't cut it.
And for those who are not Star Trek fans, Geordi is one of the main characters 
in Start Trek The Next Generation, he was blind from birth, but became Chief 
Engineer on the Enterprise under Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

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Chopra
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:22 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are



Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?


The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.



Read the full article here
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RE: Venmo Questions

2020-10-31 Thread sherrywells1157

Hello Robin,

 

Thanks for this info.  It took me a while to figure out that navigation drawer 
is what you need to click to get to settings.  What I want is to have Venmo 
prompt me for a pin or password when I open the app.  I found the devices 
setting & mine shows my iphone & says I won’t be prompted for a password if I 
use this device.  I  can find no way to change this.  I created a password when 
signing up but can find no way to get Venmo to use it.  

 

I don’t mind typing in a name when I want to send someone money.  Is there a 
way to add individuals to a list within Venmo?  I’m not on Facebook & adding 
contacts didn’t work.

 

Lastly, I have not used Venmo yet.  Will it prompt me for my bank info when I 
try to pay someone?  I’m guessing it will save this info so I don’t have to 
enter it every time.  I don’t want to do this until I make sure the app is 
password protected.

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin 
Frost
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 3:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Venmo Questions

 

Hi,

I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it. Perhaps it isn't 
the most intuitive but it is certainly usable. Even if it doesn't finish 
syncing contacts if you tap on request or send money there's an edit field into 
which you can type someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. 
Then there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can choose 
between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up that I can't recall 
if I could add info in settings or if I had to do it when executing my first 
payment.

You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients involved can be 
viewed by other friends who are users by the public or completely private and 
can also be set globally or on a transaction by transaction basis.

 

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to remember my 
device I use most often but if that is turned off it can employ a pass code and 
Face ID when available and managing trusted devices is very easily done all 
within the settings area of the app itself which you access after tapping on 
the "navigation drawer."

I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service earlier in the year 
and when I asked what payment methods she accepted she said venmo. She departed 
and I quickly made a B-line for the search engine of my choosing to find out 
what she was speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit 
such.  She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly felt very old 
and last century (laughs). But since it was her favorite though she accepted 
others I learned how to use it quickly and she was never the wiser but I did 
learn something new in 2020 so that's something.

It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but the two are 
still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of Procter and Gamble making 
competing brands of soaps and the like and I giggled.

 

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App but as with 
many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's mileage might vary.

I hope this helps.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM, sherrywells1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Hi list,

 

Is anyone using Venmo?  I tried installing it today & have some issues.

1) Some of the privacy info & options were not readable with voice over

2) I clicked on load my contacts & the app was still loading 45 minutes later.  
I don’t have an excessive number of contacts, a little over 100.  I finally 
skipped this step.

3) I was never prompted to enter any bank info for myself

4) when I went back into Venmo later, I expected to have to enter a password.  
One of the early steps in the install was to enter a password.  The app opened 
without my entering a password.

 

I have not tried to transfer money yet.  Perhaps when I do, I will be prompted 
for bank info then.  I want to wait until the app only opens with a password 
before I enter any bank info.  Or maybe you only get prompted for a password 
when you try to transfer money? 

 

Has anyone else had these kinds of problems?  Is there something I can do?  Any 
info would be helpful.

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells

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Re: What exactly is a wigit?

They are VoiceOver friendly. Note, they may take up more room than one normal 
app icon.




Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

Do you have some vision?  Just trying to assess if it is a voice over friendly 
tool?


-Original Message-
From: 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 5:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What exactly is a wigit?

   Hi here's how someone described it to me, hope its clear.
A widget is a small icon that you place on your home page to get the 
information you need that updates all the time. For instance, I have my 
calendar widget and my weather widget on my home screen so I can flick to 
either widget and get real time information. My weather one gives me the 
current temperature as well as the high and low. My calendar gives me my next 
event. If I need more detail, I can double tap on the widget and it opens the 
app. Very practical for things you check quite often. Note that not all apps 
yet have a widget but they will come soon. I am thinking of putting my Parcel 
widget there so I can track my parcels location in real time. The thing you 
have to remember is that adding widgets to your home screen will need space so 
they will push the apps at the bottom of your screen to the next page.

HTH

-Original Message-
From: Terri Stimmel
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What exactly is a wigit?

Hello everyone,


So what exactly is a wigit?

Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?

And what might be some benefits of using them?


I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
understand as to why now my whole main screen seems covered in them.


Any help is appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: How to OCRa PDF

2020-10-31 Thread John J. Fioravanti, Jr.

Thanks, I'll do that.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 09:26 AM
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Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

If you wish to purchase anapp, I’d consider voicedream scanner. 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of John 
J. Fioravanti, Jr.
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Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

Thanks, will KNFB reader work or seeing a i? 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 08:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner. 

The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.

And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.

Another good one is Prizmo Go.

Richard

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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 5:08 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. mailto:fiore...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?

Thanks.  

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RE: What exactly is a widget?

2020-10-31 Thread Tom Rash

Thanks for the explanation  with widgets and voice over.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What exactly is a widget?

A widget is something you can place on your home page that will display some 
information to you without opening the app. You could see the forecast for the 
day with a weather app, or the newest podcast that's shown up with the widget 
for your podcast app. Tapping on an widget can also behave differently then 
tapping on an app.

All of the widgets I've tried have worked well with VoiceOver. Widgets aren't 
as convenient for a blind person as they are for a sighted person, since you 
still need to touch the screen and give a widget focus to see what it's telling 
you, as opposed to a sighted person, who just has to glance at their screen to 
get that information. I still find some widgets useful, but not as many as I do 
on Android, where widgets seem a bit more mature to me, and you seem to have so 
many more choices. Whether you'll find any widgets useful or not, especially on 
one of your home pages, is something that only you'll be able to decide for 
yourself.

In IOS 14, you have the option to add a widget to any home screen. They seem to 
always take up a two by two grid, so you have to give up the real estate of 
four app icons for one widget. The today screen, which is the screen to the 
left of your first home page, has always been made up of widgets. The 
difference in IOS 14 is that you can now place widgets on any home page. I 
suspect that what you're calling your main home page is the today screen.

> -Original Message-
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> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> So what exactly is a wigit?
> 
> Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?
> 
> And what might be some benefits of using them?
> 
> 
> I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
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> 
> 
> Any help is appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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RE: What exactly is a wigit?

2020-10-31 Thread Tom Rash

Do you have some vision?  Just trying to assess if it is a voice over friendly 
tool?  

-Original Message-
From: 'Simon Wong' via VIPhone  
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What exactly is a wigit?

Hi here's how someone described it to me, hope its clear.
A widget is a small icon that you place on your home page to get the 
information you need that updates all the time. For instance, I have my 
calendar widget and my weather widget on my home screen so I can flick to 
either widget and get real time information. My weather one gives me the 
current temperature as well as the high and low. My calendar gives me my next 
event. If I need more detail, I can double tap on the widget and it opens the 
app. Very practical for things you check quite often. Note that not all apps 
yet have a widget but they will come soon. I am thinking of putting my Parcel 
widget there so I can track my parcels location in real time. The thing you 
have to remember is that adding widgets to your home screen will need space so 
they will push the apps at the bottom of your screen to the next page.

HTH

-Original Message-
From: Terri Stimmel
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What exactly is a wigit?

Hello everyone,

So what exactly is a wigit?

Also, how well do they work with Voiceover?

And what might be some benefits of using them?

I am very curious to learn more. I don't understand them. I also don't 
understand as to why now my whole main screen seems covered in them.

Any help is appreciated.

Thank you,

Terri

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RE: How to OCRa PDF

2020-10-31 Thread Larry Lumpkin

If you wish to purchase anapp, I’d consider voicedream scanner. 

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Fioravanti, Jr.
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Subject: RE: How to OCRa PDF

Thanks, will KNFB reader work or seeing a i? 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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Subject: Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner. 

The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.

And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.

Another good one is Prizmo Go.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?

Thanks.  

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RE: How to OCRa PDF

2020-10-31 Thread John J. Fioravanti, Jr.

Thanks, will KNFB reader work or seeing a i? 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 08:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner. 

The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.

And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.

Another good one is Prizmo Go.

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?

Thanks.  

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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone

Yes, holding the phone is way difficult. It would have to  be a different type 
of technology. As for the virus, I was thinking more of hoe people react to our 
running into them, than the other way round. People are turning bizarre in a 
very big way in the world right now.

Kristeen


On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:42 AM, CrazyEyez  wrote:

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are 
> attractive. They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would 
> give it to them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his 
> visor, but we may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time 
> being. I wonder if this could help us with regard to staying distanced from 
> people.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
> the plot.
>  
> I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
> where the closest person is,
>  
> If I walk in to someone,
> I just hope she is attractive,
> Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
> young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
>  
> Otherwise 
> People should get out of my way!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of karuna Chopra
> Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
> To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
>  
>  
>  
> Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical 
> use for us? 
>  
> The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
> reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
> 
> First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone 
> is there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or 
> meters, updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound 
> corresponds in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
> 
> Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. 
> For example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
> person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. 
> After all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they 
> care about is staying two paces away.
> 
> The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
> hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets 
> closer.
> 
> Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the 
> world around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
> Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
> make a person want a bit of help in that regard.
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Read the full article here 
> https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/30/iphones-can-now-tell-blind-users-where-and-how-far-away-people-are/
>  
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Re: How to OCRa PDF

In my opinion, Voice Dream Scanner.
The problem with image PDF files is that if they are not an excellent quality 
image of the print, you will get less than optimum results.
And, some PDF files run words together which the OCR program cannot separate.
Another good one is Prizmo Go.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Oct 31, 2020, at 5:08 AM, John J. Fioravanti, Jr.  wrote:


Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?
Thanks.

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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread CrazyEyez

Honestly, I'm not going to walk around with my phone in my left hand and my 
cane in the other.
How am I to carry stuff?
Only way this could maybe work is if they had this in glasses, or if there was 
a chest rig for your phone.
Also, You're more likely to get beat up by an american rioter than you are to 
contracting the virus by bumping into someone.
Unless you kiss the hell out of them as an apology, you're fine.
Continue on living your lives.
Don't worry about the virus or you will die of stress before the flu can get 
you!



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 8:34 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are 
> attractive. They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would 
> give it to them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his 
> visor, but we may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time 
> being. I wonder if this could help us with regard to staying distanced from 
> people.
> 
> Kristeen
> 
> 
> On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
> the plot.
>  
> I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
> where the closest person is,
>  
> If I walk in to someone,
> I just hope she is attractive,
> Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
> young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
>  
> Otherwise 
> People should get out of my way!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of karuna 
> Chopra
> Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
> To: ViPhone 
> Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
>  
>  
>  
> Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical 
> use for us? 
>  
> The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
> reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.
> 
> First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone 
> is there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or 
> meters, updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound 
> corresponds in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.
> 
> Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. 
> For example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
> person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. 
> After all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they 
> care about is staying two paces away.
> 
> The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
> hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets 
> closer.
> 
> Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the 
> world around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
> Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
> make a person want a bit of help in that regard.
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Read the full article here 
> https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/30/iphones-can-now-tell-blind-users-where-and-how-far-away-people-are/
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Re: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

2020-10-31 Thread 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone

These days, it's dangerous to walk into someone, even if they are attractive. 
They could give you the virus, or they could be afraid you would give it to 
them, and that could be unpleasant. I too would love to have his visor, but we 
may have to look at the tech that's out there for the time being. I wonder if 
this could help us with regard to staying distanced from people.

Kristeen


On Oct 31, 2020, at 3:24 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.
 
I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,
 
If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).
 
Otherwise 
People should get out of my way!
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of karuna Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are
 
 
 
Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us? 
 
The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

 
 
 
Read the full article here 
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How to OCRa PDF

2020-10-31 Thread John J. Fioravanti, Jr.

Hi: which App is recommended to OCR a PDF and be able to read it with the 
iPhone?

Thanks.  

 

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Hi,
I send money with it regularly and have had no issues with it.
Perhaps it isn't the most intuitive but it is certainly usable.
Even if it doesn't finish syncing contacts if you tap on request
or send money there's an edit field into which you can type
someone's name or number and it'll find it within its users. Then
there are edit fields for amount and purpose and then you can
choose between request or pay. It's been so long since i set it up
that I can't recall if I could add info in settings or if I had to
do it when executing my first payment.
You can also set whether your transactions I.E. recipients
involved can be viewed by other friends who are users by the
public or completely private and can also be set globally or on a
transaction by transaction basis.

It never asks me for any sort of password because i set it to
remember my device I use most often but if that is turned off it
can employ a pass code and Face ID when available and managing
trusted devices is very easily done all within the settings area
of the app itself which you access after tapping on the
"navigation drawer."
I discovered it when hiring someone to provide me a service
earlier in the year and when I asked what payment methods she
accepted she said venmo. She departed and I quickly made a B-line
for the search engine of my choosing to find out what she was
speaking about as I'd no knowledge of it and didn't want to admit
such. She's only maybe 9 years younger than I am but I suddenly
felt very old and last century (laughs). But since it was her
favorite though she accepted others I learned how to use it
quickly and she was never the wiser but I did learn something new
in 2020 so that's something.
It's interesting to me that Venmo is a subsidiary of Pay Pal but
the two are still kept as separate entities. It reminded me of
Procter and Gamble making competing brands of soaps and the like
and I giggled.

I find Venmo quite a bit easier and more preferable to Cash App
but as with many things opinions and perceptions therein and one's
mileage might vary.
I hope this helps.
Take good care.
Robin

On 10/28/2020 7:59 PM,
sherrywells1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi list,
Is anyone using Venmo? I tried
installing it today & have some issues.
1) Some of the privacy info &
options were not readable with voice over
2) I clicked on load my contacts &
the app was still loading 45 minutes later. I don’t have an
excessive number of contacts, a little over 100. I finally
skipped this step.
3) I was never prompted to enter any
bank info for myself
4) when I went back into Venmo later, I
expected to have to enter a password. One of the early
steps in the install was to enter a password. The app
opened without my entering a password.
I have not tried to transfer money yet.
Perhaps when I do, I will be prompted for bank info then. I
want to wait until the app only opens with a password before
I enter any bank info. Or maybe you only get prompted for a
password when you try to transfer money?
Has anyone else had these kinds of
problems? Is there something I can do? Any info would be
helpful.
Thanks,
Sherry Wells

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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

And he wore funky glass like things that weren’t glasses but what I think 
Google glasses should be like.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:32 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Forget it, I want at least Geordi La Forge's visor if not his ocular 
prosthetics, a silly iPhone 12 Pro won't cut it.
And for those who are not Star Trek fans, Geordi is one of the main characters 
in Start Trek The Next Generation, he was blind from birth, but became Chief 
Engineer on the Enterprise under Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of karuna 
Chopra
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:22 PM
To: ViPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?

The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.

Read the full article here
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/30/iphones-can-now-tell-blind-users-where-and-how-far-away-people-are/
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RE: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are

I’m starting to wonder if the world is just going crazy or if it’s me losing 
the plot.

I don’t see myself walking around with a phone in front of me so I can tell 
where the closest person is,

If I walk in to someone,
I just hope she is attractive,
Smart and holds a good conversation  and is not old enough to be my mother or 
young enough to be my daughter (if I had a kid).

Otherwise
People should get out of my way!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of karuna 
Chopra
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2020 6:22 pm
To: ViPhone 
Subject: iPhones can now tell blind users where and how far away people are



Hi! This sounds quite promising! What is everybody’s view on its practical use 
for us?


The lidar in the iPhone 12 Pro shows up in this infrared video. Each dot 
reports back the precise distance of what it reflects off of.

First, it tells the user whether there are people in view at all. If someone is 
there, it will then say how far away the closest person is in feet or meters, 
updating regularly as they approach or move further away. The sound corresponds 
in stereo to the direction the person is in the camera’s view.

Second, it allows the user to set tones corresponding to certain distances. For 
example, if they set the distance at six feet, they’ll hear one tone if a 
person is more than six feet away, another if they’re inside that range. After 
all, not everyone wants a constant feed of exact distances if all they care 
about is staying two paces away.

The third feature, perhaps extra useful for folks who have both visual and 
hearing impairments, is a haptic pulse that goes faster as a person gets closer.

Last is a visual feature for people who need a little help discerning the world 
around them, an arrow that points to the detected person on the screen. 
Blindness is a spectrum, after all, and any number of vision problems could 
make a person want a bit of help in that regard.



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