Re: Does anyone know how to stop Siri / Safari from opening a default app in iOS?

[alban hoxha]

ok

From: M. Taylor  on behalf of M. Taylor 
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:07:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Does anyone know how to stop Siri / Safari from opening a default app 
in iOS?

Hello Everyone,

I've been fighting a terrible, terrible cold for the last week and, as a
result, have not been able to post some articles to the list.  I am just now
beginning to feel a tiny bit better and so wanted to use what little energy
I have to post a question to which I cannot find the answer:

Scenario:
1.
Ask Siri to perform a web search by saying something like, "Search the web
for 'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'."

2.
Siri will respond with something like, "OK, I found this on the web for
'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'.  Check it out."

3.
There will now be 3 items on the display.  If you select the first item,
which is usually the answer given by Amazon, instead of opening the answer
in Safari, the Amazon app will open, which has absolutely nothing to do with
your search query.

I find this maddening.  And now, even the Google app is doing the same
thing.  This is to say, instead of opening a web browser, it will launch the
Amazon app.

Does anyone know how to stop this behavior?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Does anyone know how to stop Siri / Safari from opening a default app in iOS?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I've been fighting a terrible, terrible cold for the last week and, as a
result, have not been able to post some articles to the list.  I am just now
beginning to feel a tiny bit better and so wanted to use what little energy
I have to post a question to which I cannot find the answer:

Scenario:
1.
Ask Siri to perform a web search by saying something like, "Search the web
for 'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'."

2.
Siri will respond with something like, "OK, I found this on the web for
'What is Amazon Music Unlimited, single'.  Check it out."

3.
There will now be 3 items on the display.  If you select the first item,
which is usually the answer given by Amazon, instead of opening the answer
in Safari, the Amazon app will open, which has absolutely nothing to do with
your search query.

I find this maddening.  And now, even the Google app is doing the same
thing.  This is to say, instead of opening a web browser, it will launch the
Amazon app.

Does anyone know how to stop this behavior?

All replies greatly appreciated.

Mark


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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Cris Ali]

Hi Sieghard,
I remember the days when one needed to go to a phone store to have them cut the 
full size sim card to the Nano sim size. My first experience was in 2012 in 
Jordan. When the store tech told me he is going to cut the sim card, I got very 
nervous.somehow I thought that he may screw up things.
But truthfully, my experience with using an e-sim for the last three years is 
very positive. When I setup my 14 pro last night I was nervous that the 
transfer of the e-sim from my old phone to the new one may fail, and thus I 
will have no phone service to call the help and support number. Then I was 
happily surprised by the ease the e-sim transfer went.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I remember when the iPhone 5S first came out which had the Nano SIM that I 
> went to the Philippines and had a really hard time finding a Nano SIM since 
> most of the carriers and devices still used full-size SIM's or Micro SIM's. I 
> ended up finding a place where they told me that a Micro SIM can actually be 
> cut to fit a Nano SIM tray and that is what they did, but when technologies 
> change there is always a period of a couple of years when things might not be 
> quite as one would like, certainly keeping your old phone for travel will 
> solve your issue. I think, however, that many carriers in many countries will 
> offer e-SIM options because honestly it is such a superior system that I 
> wonder why nobody came up with it years ago.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
> Ali
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 7:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hi folks,
> I followed this thread with interest, because I travel overseas frequently 
> enough to be concerned about the lack of physical sim tray in iPhone 14 
> series sold in the US. Each time I travel to another country I buy a local 
> sim specific to the country I am visiting. Usually it takes less than two 
> minutes to replace my american with the local sim and start using a local 
> number. Nevertheless, I ordered iPhone 14 Pro and just received it this 
> evening. For the last three years I have been using an ESIM on my XR in order 
> to keep my physical sim tray free for the time of travel overseas. 
> Setting up my new phone was very easy and surprisingly, the automatic 
> transfer of my e-sim from my XR to my 14 Pro went very smoothly. For the time 
> being, I will keep my XR saved for travel overseas, just in case I found it 
> difficult to get e-sims in other countries, and I recommend to any of you who 
> travel frequently overseas to keep your old phones for this purpose if you 
> upgrade to series 14.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
>> 
>> I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
>> instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I 
>> have my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone 
>> gives me problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for 
>> right now. Maybe for all times going forward.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will 
>>> grieve. I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to 
>>> your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as 
>>> easy peasy.
>>> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
>>> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
>>> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 
>>> or 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the 
>>> next. I would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority 
>>> among phone owners.
>>> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Chris,

I remember when the iPhone 5S first came out which had the Nano SIM that I went 
to the Philippines and had a really hard time finding a Nano SIM since most of 
the carriers and devices still used full-size SIM's or Micro SIM's. I ended up 
finding a place where they told me that a Micro SIM can actually be cut to fit 
a Nano SIM tray and that is what they did, but when technologies change there 
is always a period of a couple of years when things might not be quite as one 
would like, certainly keeping your old phone for travel will solve your issue. 
I think, however, that many carriers in many countries will offer e-SIM options 
because honestly it is such a superior system that I wonder why nobody came up 
with it years ago.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 7:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hi folks,
I followed this thread with interest, because I travel overseas frequently 
enough to be concerned about the lack of physical sim tray in iPhone 14 series 
sold in the US. Each time I travel to another country I buy a local sim 
specific to the country I am visiting. Usually it takes less than two minutes 
to replace my american with the local sim and start using a local number. 
Nevertheless, I ordered iPhone 14 Pro and just received it this evening. For 
the last three years I have been using an ESIM on my XR in order to keep my 
physical sim tray free for the time of travel overseas. 
Setting up my new phone was very easy and surprisingly, the automatic transfer 
of my e-sim from my XR to my 14 Pro went very smoothly. For the time being, I 
will keep my XR saved for travel overseas, just in case I found it difficult to 
get e-sims in other countries, and I recommend to any of you who travel 
frequently overseas to keep your old phones for this purpose if you upgrade to 
series 14.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
> instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I 
> have my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone gives 
> me problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for right 
> now. Maybe for all times going forward.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will 
>> grieve. I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to 
>> your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as 
>> easy peasy.
>> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
>> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
>> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
>> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
>> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
>> phone owners.
>> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an 
>> e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward 
>> thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the 
>> physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with 
>> my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to 
>> transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM 
>> between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about 
>> the physical SIM becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may 
>> take is a QR code from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to 
>> transfer the e-SIM and before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I 
>> would certainly want to inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch 
>> e-SIMs between the devices I have.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
&

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Cris Ali]

Hi folks,
I followed this thread with interest, because I travel overseas frequently 
enough to be concerned about the lack of physical sim tray in iPhone 14 series 
sold in the US. Each time I travel to another country I buy a local sim 
specific to the country I am visiting. Usually it takes less than two minutes 
to replace my american with the local sim and start using a local number. 
Nevertheless, I ordered iPhone 14 Pro and just received it this evening. For 
the last three years I have been using an ESIM on my XR in order to keep my 
physical sim tray free for the time of travel overseas. 
Setting up my new phone was very easy and surprisingly, the automatic transfer 
of my e-sim from my XR to my 14 Pro went very smoothly. For the time being, I 
will keep my XR saved for travel overseas, just in case I found it difficult to 
get e-sims in other countries, and I recommend to any of you who travel 
frequently overseas to keep your old phones for this purpose if you upgrade to 
series 14.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 6:25 PM, Michael Irons  wrote:
> 
> I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
> instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I 
> have my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone gives 
> me problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for right 
> now. Maybe for all times going forward.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will 
>> grieve. I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to 
>> your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as 
>> easy peasy.
>> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
>> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
>> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
>> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
>> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
>> phone owners.
>> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an 
>> e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward 
>> thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the 
>> physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with 
>> my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to 
>> transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM 
>> between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about 
>> the physical SIM becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may 
>> take is a QR code from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to 
>> transfer the e-SIM and before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I 
>> would certainly want to inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch 
>> e-SIMs between the devices I have.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
>> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>> 
>> Chris Judge
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
>> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means 
>> that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is 
>> done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about 
>> to

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Richard Turner]

y. Today, each of 
these units will have a SIM card, meaning that if a network change is required, 
an engineer will have to visit each meter to swap out the SIM card – 
logistically complex and expensive. eSIM allows a wholesale change of network 
across the entire meter estate, should that be required, at the touch of a 
button.

"In addition to getting customers connected much quicker and easier, there are 
further benefits for the networks too – the logistic costs of SIM cards, 
including warehousing and postage, which far outweigh the cost of the SIM card 
itself – all but disappear. eSIM allows networks to digitally distribute eSIM 
plans to customers no matter where they are.

"Finally, we should not forget the environmental benefits of eSIM – today, more 
than 6 billion SIM cards are produced every year – that’s a great deal of 
plastic and potentially harmful chemicals going to landfill. eSIM will remove 
this completely."

https://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/guides/what-are-esims-what-do-they-mean-for-switching-network/#esims_switching_network

Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
rick.alf...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although I am a fan of switching sim cards 
to play with other phones, I do imagine that someone will come up with a way of 
easily transferring an ESim from one phone to another. Question is would this 
be a user accessible possibility? I have no idea but I imagine some resourceful 
hacker type person will come up with a way.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[rick.alfaro]

This is exactly what I was thinking. Although I am a fan of switching sim cards 
to play with other phones, I do imagine that someone will come up with a way of 
easily transferring an ESim from one phone to another. Question is would this 
be a user accessible possibility? I have no idea but I imagine some resourceful 
hacker type person will come up with a way.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I c

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I would refuse to have an eSIM unless I was given a specific set of 
instructions as to how to transfer the Sim between one found in another. I have 
my old iPhone six which I would want to go to if my present iPhone gives me 
problems. I would not want to be without that physical Sim card for right now. 
Maybe for all times going forward.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does A

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Star Gazer]

That seems to be correct 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I think, maybe the catch to Face ID is holding the phone at least ten inches 
away from your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button that is a 
problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is still somewhat of an 
issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no big deal.  I just wish I could 
still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone 
> to your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be 
> just as easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have 
> multiple phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another 
> a lot, but I never understood why somebody would want to spend all 
> that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the 
> next. I would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small 
> minority among phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring 
> an e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight 
> forward thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because 
> I wanted the physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to 
> the Philippines with my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then 
> so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy 
> way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to 
> do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a mute point.
> From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
> carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before 
> I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a 
> new one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it 
> means that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time 
> something is done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right 
> or liberty is about to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on 
> this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim 
> tray. For my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working 
> quite nicely and suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to 
>> be able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, 
>> but that's not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my 
>> iPhone 11, the person at the AT store basically just handed me my 
>

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I hope that is the case, so that there will still be a choice, not that I want 
it, but I can well remember when I did want it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 4:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I believe the SE models will have a home button as long as there’s a large 
number of people making it down that they really have to be able to go home. Rip

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlo

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I think, maybe the catch to Face ID is holding the phone at least ten inches 
away from your face. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button that is a 
problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is still somewhat of an 
issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no big deal.  I just wish I could 
still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone 
> to your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be 
> just as easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have 
> multiple phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another 
> a lot, but I never understood why somebody would want to spend all 
> that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the 
> next. I would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small 
> minority among phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring 
> an e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight 
> forward thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because 
> I wanted the physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to 
> the Philippines with my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then 
> so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy 
> way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to 
> do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a mute point. 
> From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
> carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before 
> I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a 
> new one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it 
> means that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time 
> something is done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right 
> or liberty is about to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on 
> this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim 
> tray. For my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working 
> quite nicely and suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to 
>> be able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, 
>> but that's not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my 
>> iPhone 11, the person at the AT store basically just handed me my 
>> phone and I could walk out of the store with it. I asked if there was 
>> something we needed to do, like swap the SIM card, and he said no, it 
>> was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been for me to get a new 
>> phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever spent in a carrier's 
>> store.
>>
>>

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Michael Irons]

I believe the SE models will have a home button as long as there’s a large 
number of people making it down that they really have to be able to go home. Rip

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2022, at 2:15 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. 
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
> new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
> peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I 
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I 
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among 
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
> from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
> actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical 
> SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
> haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said 
> e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 
> devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM 
> becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code 
> from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and 
> before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to 
> inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the 
> devices I have.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new 
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
> somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
> the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
> taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
> in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, 
> I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my 
> needs. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be 
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's 
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person 
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of 
>> the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap 
>> the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever 
>> been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've 
>> ever spent in a carrier's store.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Speaking of the home button, it isn't getting used to no home button
that is a problem for me.  I'm getting used to face ID and that is
still somewhat of an issue for me.  Not having a home button, is no
big deal.  I just wish I could still have touch ID instead of face ID.

On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve.
> I wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to
> your new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as
> easy peasy.
> I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple
> phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I
> never understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or
> 3 high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I
> would venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among
> phone owners.
> I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an
> e-SIM from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward
> thing. I actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the
> physical SIM tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with
> my wife. I haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to
> transfer said e-SIM. Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM
> between 2 or 3 devices whenever one wants to do so then the argument about
> the physical SIM becomes a mute point. From the little I did read all it may
> take is a QR code from your carrier and then to scan said QR code to
> transfer the e-SIM and before I would moon over the lack of a physical SIM I
> would certainly want to inform myself as to how easy or not it is to switch
> e-SIMs between the devices I have.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new
> one I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.
>
> Chris Judge
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Julian
> Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means
> that somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is
> done in the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about
> to get taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though.
> Good luck in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For
> my part, I'm going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and
> suiting my needs.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be
>> able to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's
>> not something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person
>> at the AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out
>> of the store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like
>> swap the SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest
>> it's ever been for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of
>> time I've ever spent in a carrier's store.
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card f

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I think it is kind of like the Home Button; there are those who will grieve. I 
wonder how much longer the SE models will have a Home Button? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>&g

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Cara Quinn]

Sieghard and all,

To be fair, I think this thread is actually relevant in that there have been 
other discussions here about accessibility / bugs between iOS versions where 
someone might actually feel like they want to move a sim to another phone 
running a different OS for accessibility reasons. So I personally am finding 
this topic super useful and informative.

Even for the accessibility of the physical process of switching sim cards that 
some folks may not have done before; that kind of discussion would also be 
appropriate here.

For myself, in using different phones for writing / testing software, I'll 
occasionally switch sim cards but as has been said, that sort of situation is 
not for everyone.

Anyway, regardless, the whole topic of esim vs sim can be valuable here, I 
think.

Just my thoughts, and thanks for such a great discussion.

Cheers!

Cara


> On Oct 19, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It maybe perfectly reasonable as far as it goes, but apart from Mark being 
> the list moderator the question also has little or nothing to do with the 
> purpose of this list which is about the iPhone's accessibility features and 
> physical SIM or e-SIM do not factor into accessibility.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with 
> other issues.
> 
> Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable 
> SIM tray.  When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to 
> was far from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go.
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
> 
>> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the 
>> headphone jack.
>> 
>> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, 
>> regardless of from where they were purchased.
>> 
>> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.
>> 
>> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.
>> 
>> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the 
>> greatest wireless carrier flexibility.
>> 
>> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to 
>> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
>> Logan
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 
>> 
>> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or 
>> at the time USBC port goes away ..
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> Well said, Julian.
>> 
>> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
>> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, 
>> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs 
>> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
>> 
>> Just my opinion, of course.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching 
>> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. 
>> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the 
>> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to 
>> switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, 
>> some of us just enjoy that f

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And if all you have to do is transfer your e-SIM from your old iPhone to your 
new one during the setup process of your new phone it would be just as easy 
peasy.
I understand why people who make a living reviewing products have multiple 
phones and want to transfer a SIM from one device to another a lot, but I never 
understood why somebody would want to spend all that money to buy 2 or 3 
high-end phones and use one this day or this week and another the next. I would 
venture a guess and say that this is a pretty small minority among phone owners.
I haven't really read up on this, but I understand that transferring an e-SIM 
from an old phone to a new one is a pretty easy and straight forward thing. I 
actually switched to an e-SIM on my iPhone 11 because I wanted the physical SIM 
tray to be available for when I travel to the Philippines with my wife. I 
haven't bought a new phone since then so I didn't have to transfer said e-SIM. 
Anyways, if there is an easy way to transfer an e-SIM between 2 or 3 devices 
whenever one wants to do so then the argument about the physical SIM becomes a 
mute point. From the little I did read all it may take is a QR code from your 
carrier and then to scan said QR code to transfer the e-SIM and before I would 
moon over the lack of a physical SIM I would certainly want to inform myself as 
to how easy or not it is to switch e-SIMs between the devices I have.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only w

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Kelly Pierce]

Apple makes six variants of each version of the iPhone 14 lineup.  The
different variants have unique cell phone frequencies for the region
of the phone.  For example, American cell phone carriers use
frequencies used in no other part of the world.  Outside the big metro
areas, carriers support fewer frequencies and in some rural areas only
one or two.  While most people won’t notice much of a difference on a
two-week vacation, it could be the case where everyone around you has
signal but you in a given place because you have many fewer
frequencies to use on your device.  Already on my carrier, staff
becomes upset when people swap SIM cards with different phones. That’s
because network services are attached to the unique serial number on
the phone. For example, 5G network services and frequencies are made
available to devices registered to have 5G technology.  eSIM is the
future except in totalitarian regimes like the People’s republic of
China, where freedoms are limited.

Here’s an article with more details:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/which-iphone-models-have-5g/



Kelly




On 10/20/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am
> sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling
> my husband, life goes on whether or not we do.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your
> requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into
> the iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath.
> It would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe
> where they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> Well said, Julian.
>
> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US,
> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me,
> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs
> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
>
> Just my opinion, of course.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Julian
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching
> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier.
> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the
> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to
> switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still,
> some of us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not
> be taken away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go
> through the trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the
> flexibility. Not that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I
> will be watching this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my
> clients will asked similar questions so I would like to have good info to
> give them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wondering that too
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just
>> fine?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
>

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Richard Turner]

Maybe those who really want a physical sim card should check out the new iPad 
that was announced on Thursday.  10.9 inch with a physical SIM on those 
units... much cheaper than an iPhone 14 pro max...




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 2:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am 
sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling my 
husband, life goes on whether or not we do. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your 
requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into the 
iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath. It 
would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe where 
they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if t

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

My guess is that eventually, SIM cards will be like analog - outdated. I am 
sorry for those who feel that SIM cards are important, but as I keep telling my 
husband, life goes on whether or not we do. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 11:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your 
requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into the 
iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath. It 
would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe where 
they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

I have had the same sim card now since my iPhone 5S. Each time I get a new one 
I just pop the card out and put it in the new one. Easy peasy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: October 19, 2022 8:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[chrisjudge1967]

If you did that your iPhone 8 would be your active phone again.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: October 19, 2022 7:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Interesting, Joshua. Are you going to try? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking.
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>>> customers who onl

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It maybe perfectly reasonable as far as it goes, but apart from Mark being the 
list moderator the question also has little or nothing to do with the purpose 
of this list which is about the iPhone's accessibility features and physical 
SIM or e-SIM do not factor into accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Malcolm 
Parfitt
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with 
other issues.

Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable SIM 
tray.  When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to was far 
from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the 
> headphone jack.
> 
> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, 
> regardless of from where they were purchased.
> 
> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.
> 
> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.
> 
> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the greatest 
> wireless carrier flexibility.
> 
> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to 
> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
> Logan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 
> 
> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or at 
> the time USBC port goes away ..
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Well said, Julian.
> 
> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, 
> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs 
> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
> 
> Just my opinion, of course.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching 
> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. 
> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier 
> and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch 
> phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of 
> us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken 
> away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the 
> trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not 
> that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching 
> this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
> similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>> 
>>     Wondering that too 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins:

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Then you should not support Apple by buying a phone which does not meet your 
requirements. Maybe if enough people do this Apple will put a SIM tray into the 
iPhone 15 again although I personally probably wouldn't hold my breath. It 
would seem that e-SIM is where ?Apple thinks the world is going or maybe where 
they should go so they are giving it a helping hand.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
> --
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It will continue to work nicely until you need a new phone in 2, 3, 4 or 5 
years or however long you decide you want to keep your iPhone SE third Gen and 
at that point you will get a phone without SIM tray just as you do now when you 
buy an iPhone 14 Pro.
I predict that in short order many other flagship phones from Samsung, Google 
and so on will be released without a SIM tray just as Samsung did away with the 
3.5mm headphone jack after Apple did (at least on most models). I don't keep up 
with Samsung too much, but I doubt they brought it back.
Anyways, to me it makes total sense that over the next few years the world will 
switch to e-SIM. And here are another couple of Billion less little plastic 
pieces ending up in landfills, oceans and the environment. You have to keep in 
mind that in countries like the Philippines and many other Asian and African 
countries people use cell phones with minimal service and often just a small 
prepaid load which allows them to send text message and what is more to receive 
messages and phone calls. A SIM in the Philippines costs less than a Dollar and 
people switch them like we do our underwear and in many cases they go in the 
trash after a relatively short time when the person decides their next prepaid 
plan should be with a different provider. If everybody did e-SIM that could 
still be just as easy without all the SIM cards ending up in the garbage and 
requiring all sorts of resources during the manufacturing process.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -Original

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

What would happen is that your iPhone 8 would have cell service and  your 
iPhone 13 Pro Max would not and that is the short and the long answer.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 3:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. 
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know y

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[lenron brown]

As it stands even if Mark decides to buy the phone from somewhere else
it should work just fine here in the states. I mean people buy the
phones here all the time and send them to other places. Yes if you
take your sim from your 13 and put it back in your 8 it will just
work.

On 10/19/22, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with
> other issues.
>
> Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable
> SIM tray.  When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to
> was far from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go.
>
> Malcolm Parfitt
>
>> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the
>> headphone jack.
>>
>> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone,
>> regardless of from where they were purchased.
>>
>> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.
>>
>> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.
>>
>> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the
>> greatest wireless carrier flexibility.
>>
>> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to
>> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United
>> States.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Peter Logan
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL
>>
>> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or
>> at the time USBC port goes away ..
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> Well said, Julian.
>>
>> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the
>> US, then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me,
>> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs
>> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
>>
>> Just my opinion, of course.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Julian
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching
>> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier.
>> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the
>> carrier and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted
>> to switch phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but
>> still, some of us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it
>> should not be taken away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark
>> wants to go through the trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows
>> him the flexibility. Not that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone
>> 14, but, I will be watching this discussion with interest. I'm certain
>> that some of my clients will asked similar questions so I would like to
>> have good info to give them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wondering that too
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just
>>> fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Be

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Malcolm Parfitt]

I think Mark’s question is perfectly reasonable and has become confused with 
other issues.

Here in the UK my understanding is that iPhone models come with a removable SIM 
tray.  When I discussed ESIM with my provider EE the person I spoke to was far 
from advising me that an ESIM was the way to go.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 19 Oct 2022, at 22:27, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the 
> headphone jack.
> 
> In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, 
> regardless of from where they were purchased.
> 
> I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.
> 
> Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.
> 
> In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the greatest 
> wireless carrier flexibility.
> 
> So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to 
> purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
> Logan
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 
> 
> Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or at 
> the time USBC port goes away ..
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Well said, Julian.
> 
> In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
> then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, 
> selling a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs 
> the same price as the enhanced model, is insulting.
> 
> Just my opinion, of course.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching 
> our Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. 
> Remember the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier 
> and give them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch 
> phones? I realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of 
> us just enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken 
> away from us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the 
> trouble of finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not 
> that I'm necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching 
> this discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
> similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>> 
>>     Wondering that too 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
>> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> Hello Everyone, 
>> 
>> And so it begins.
>> 
>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
>> Pro Max.  
>> 
>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>> 
>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to 
>> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who 
>>

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Julian]

The sad reality is, every time Apple shows "courage " look out, it means that 
somethings about to get taken away. Just like every time something is done in 
the name of "safety" it usually means some right or liberty is about to get 
taken away, that's as far as I'll go into that on this list though. Good luck 
in being able to get the phone that you want with a Sim tray. For my part, I'm 
going to hold onto my SE3 which is working quite nicely and suiting my needs. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 3:57 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able 
> to use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
> something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
> AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the 
> store with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the 
> SIM card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been 
> for me to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever 
> spent in a carrier's store.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
> time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the 
> sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.
> 
>> On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
>> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
>> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
>> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
>> problems, in theory.
>> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>> 
>> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> lenron brown
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>> 
>> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
>> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
>> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
>> wanting this 14 pro max.
>> 
>>> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>> 
>>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. 
>>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>>> Reggie Alvarado
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have the same question.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE:

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'd expect it to just work. I get the situation where people want to be able to 
use multiple phones by just switching out the SIM card, but that's not 
something I'm interested in doing. When I got my iPhone 11, the person at the 
AT store basically just handed me my phone and I could walk out of the store 
with it. I asked if there was something we needed to do, like swap the SIM 
card, and he said no, it was all good. It was the easiest it's ever been for me 
to get a new phone, and it was the least amount of time I've ever spent in a 
carrier's store.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. 
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>&

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Christopher Chaltain]

For my part, I don't expect the same feature set in all parts of the world for 
the same device, and I wouldn't find this insulting. Just as people have the 
right to choose which product they want to buy, companies have the right to 
choose what product they want to sell, and this includes offering slightly 
different feature sets in different parts of the world. Citizens of different 
countries may expect different things or be willing to pay more or less for the 
same feature. Countries have differing laws and different cultures will have 
different expectations. Bottom line is that companies are going to try to 
maximize their profit, and if this means tweaking the feature set from country 
to country then that's what they're going to do.

Haven't there been times when Apple has released a device worldwide but some 
services were only available in the US to start out with? What about things 
like differing power standards, laws requiring USB support, different frequency 
spectrums and so on.

All just my opinion, but Apple isn't going to change their ways just because I 
want them to. Unless I'm willing to send Apple a message from my wallet, I'll 
just keep looking at my product options and buying something from what's 
currently available and not what I want to be available.

I'm perfectly happy with an ESIM, and in fact I prefer it due to it's ease of 
use for what I want to do with a smart phone. I respect those who want a 
physical SIM though, and I'd never push back against them or expect them to use 
an ESIM just because it works for me.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> ge

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

Interesting, Joshua. Are you going to try? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 6:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for the first 
time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen if I took the sim 
card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in 
> specific countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that 
> country, so if you buy one from outside the United States, you could have 
> problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty 
> much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not 
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a 
>> SIM card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. 
>> I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together 
>> by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and 
>> never have they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, 
>>> Mark, and no response is going to keep you from ge

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

That is exactly what I intend to get, Dave. Fortunately, I don't care about the 
card, but I sympathize with those to whom a card is important. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dandrews...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in specific 
countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that country, so if you 
buy one from outside the United States, you could have problems, in theory. I 
could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.

Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.  

Dave



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty much the 
only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not wanting 
this 14 pro max.

On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM 
> card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not 
> sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together by a 
> person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and never have they 
> ask me for my Sim card.
> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sent from my IPhone.
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have the same question.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>> just fine?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> And so it begins.
>>
>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>> iPhone
>> 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>
>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, Mark, 
>> and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM tray model, if 
>> that is what you want."
>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>
>> So, the search begins.
>>
>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>
>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online 
>> store, without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship 
>> you a model with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate 
>> anyone to 

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

When I got my 13 pro max, I put in my sim card from my iPhone 8 for
the first time.  It was surprisingly easy.  I wonder what would happen
if I took the sim card from my 13 pro max and put it back into my
iPhone 8.

On 10/19/22, dandrews...@comcast.net  wrote:
> I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in specific
> countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that country, so if you
> buy one from outside the United States, you could have problems, in theory.
> I could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.
>
> Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> lenron brown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> 13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty much
> the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
> being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not
> wanting this 14 pro max.
>
> On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of regina alvarado
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13
>> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time.
>> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM
>> card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not
>> sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together by a
>> person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and never have
>> they ask me for my Sim card.
>> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me,
>> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
>> Reggie Alvarado
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have the same question.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone
>>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works
>>> just fine?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> M.
>>> Taylor
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> And so it begins.
>>>
>>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at
>>> iPhone
>>> 14 Pro Max.
>>>
>>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>>
>>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised
>>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by
>>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.
>>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to
>>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a
>>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, Mark,
>>> and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM tray model, if
>>> that is what you want."
>>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>>
>>> So, the search begins.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a
>>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>>
>>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the 

RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[dandrews920]

I am not an expert in these things, but I think that phones in specific 
countries are set up to use the cell bands in use in that country, so if you 
buy one from outside the United States, you could have problems, in theory. I 
could be wrong, but if it were me, I would investigate.

Well, actually if it were me which I am, I just got a simless 14 Pro.  

Dave



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 4:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty much the 
only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not wanting 
this 14 pro max.

On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 
> promax that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time. 
> Is there a way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM 
> card? By the way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not 
> sure I’ve ever had one. I always have my phones Put together by a 
> person at the store for whatever company I’ve been with, and never have they 
> ask me for my Sim card.
> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, 
> and sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sent from my IPhone.
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have the same question.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 
>> 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works 
>> just fine?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro 
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> And so it begins.
>>
>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at 
>> iPhone
>> 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>
>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised 
>> to learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by 
>> customers who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  
>> He told me that they are working on crafting an in-store response to 
>> the enquiries designed to discouraged customers from seeking a 
>> physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by saying, "I know you, Mark, 
>> and no response is going to keep you from getting that SIM tray model, if 
>> that is what you want."
>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>
>> So, the search begins.
>>
>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a 
>> physical SIM tray, from within the United States?
>>
>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online 
>> store, without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship 
>> you a model with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate 
>> anyone to confirm this.
>>
>> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to 
>> pick up a model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>>
>> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of 
>> course, I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that 
>> makes me somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd 
>> rather go to Canada, in person, to grab a model.
>>
>

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[lenron brown]

13 pro max, unless you order from outside the states. This is pretty
much the only way, unless you have someone buy it and send it to you.
being someone that loves having the freedom to swap devices I get not
wanting this 14 pro max.

On 10/19/22, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of regina alvarado
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 promax
> that I don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time. Is there a
> way to get this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM card? By the
> way, what is a SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not sure I’ve ever had
> one. I always have my phones Put together by a person at the store for
> whatever company I’ve been with, and never have they ask me for my Sim card.
> Anyway, just a little confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, and
> sorry that I’m asking a stupid question.
> Reggie Alvarado
>
> On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sent from my IPhone.
>
>> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have the same question.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro
>> Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just
>> fine?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max
>> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> And so it begins.
>>
>> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone
>> 14 Pro Max.
>>
>> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>>
>> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to
>> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers
>> who only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that
>> they are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries
>> designed to discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He
>> followed that up by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to
>> keep you from getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."
>> (smile)  He is a very smart man (smile).
>>
>> So, the search begins.
>>
>> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM
>> tray, from within the United States?
>>
>> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online
>> store, without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a
>> model with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to
>> confirm this.
>>
>> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up
>> a model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>>
>> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of
>> course, I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes
>> me somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to
>> Canada, in person, to grab a model.
>>
>> All replies greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>>
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I do the same, Regina, get the store person to get my phone going. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 promax that I 
don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time. Is there a way to get 
this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM card? By the way, what is a 
SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always 
have my phones Put together by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve 
been with, and never have they ask me for my Sim card. Anyway, just a little 
confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, and sorry that I’m asking a 
stupid question. 
Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:



Sent from my IPhone.

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the same question. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
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> 
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[M. Taylor]

Peter, with all do respect, this is not the same as the removal of the 
headphone jack.

In that instance, the jack was removed from all new models of the phone, 
regardless of from where they were purchased.

I did not start this thread to engage in a debate.

Each person is free to purchase his /her preferred device.

In my case, I will do my best to obtain the model that allows me the greatest 
wireless carrier flexibility.

So, let's keep this thread on point; said point being how, if possible, to 
purchase iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray from within the United States.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Peter 
Logan
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 

Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or at 
the time USBC port goes away ..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not ab

Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[regina alvarado]

It’s an interesting question. I keep getting the message on my 13 promax that I 
don’t have a Sim card, and I Have to say okay each time. Is there a way to get 
this off my phone or am I supposed to have a SIM card? By the way, what is a 
SIM card? My education is lacking. I’m not sure I’ve ever had one. I always 
have my phones Put together by a person at the store for whatever company I’ve 
been with, and never have they ask me for my Sim card. Anyway, just a little 
confused. Thanks for any help you can give me, and sorry that I’m asking a 
stupid question. 
Reggie Alvarado 

On Oct 19, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Peter Logan  wrote:



Sent from my IPhone.

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the same question. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Peter Logan]

This is like the headphone jack controversy all over again ..  LOL 

Get ready for it again in a couple of years when the lightening port .. or at 
the time USBC port goes away ..


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 5:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[M. Taylor]

Well said, Julian.

In addition, if I pay the same money for a product as those outside the US, 
then I expect the same feature set.  It really is that simple.  To me, selling 
a phone model that does not offer the same features but that costs the same 
price as the enhanced model, is insulting.

Just my opinion, of course.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Peter Logan]

Sent from my IPhone.

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I have the same question. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Richard Turner]

Apparently the iPHone isn't expensive enough already so he wants to add the 
cost of going to Canada for the sake of a physical sim tray, which of course is 
his choice.

Perhaps simply calling Apple and asking what happens if you do not specify a 
carrier when ordering instead of mucking around waiting for answers on 
lists?

Only Apple can answer this question.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

I have the same question. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a 
Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 Pro 
Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by 
saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting 
that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a very smart 
man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model with 
a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, I 
could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Carolyn]

I have the same question. 

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with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a 
Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 Pro 
Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by 
saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting 
that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a very smart 
man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model with 
a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, I 
could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[rick.alfaro]

I also would be annoyed by not being able to use a sim tray. What if you have 
another phone that you want to switch to like possibly an Android model? This 
used to be easy because all you have to do is simply switch the sim card from 
one phone to the other. Now, as far as I know, you can't do that any longer 
without jumping through a bunch of hoops. Hopefully, there will be a way of 
achieving the same result easily.

 

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Subject: RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max 
with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a 
Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 Pro 
Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by 
saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting 
that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a very smart 
man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model with 
a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, I 
could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Julian]

For what it's worth, some of us simply just enjoy the freedom of switching our 
Sim card between phones without having to interact with our carrier. Remember 
the good ole days of CDMA? Were you had to interact with the carrier and give 
them your electronic serial number every time you wanted to switch phones? I 
realize that eSIM is nowhere near as draconian, but still, some of us just 
enjoy that freedom and enjoy that method and it should not be taken away from 
us. Therefore, I fully understand why Mark wants to go through the trouble of 
finding an iPhone 14 that still allows him the flexibility. Not that I'm 
necessarily in the market for an iPhone 14, but, I will be watching this 
discussion with interest. I'm certain that some of my clients will asked 
similar questions so I would like to have good info to give them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> Wondering that too 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> llump...@austin.rr.com
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with 
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
> that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
> want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
> working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up 
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from 
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a 
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model 
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, 
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
> uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
> to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Star Gazer]

Wondering that too 

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with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?


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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a 
Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 Pro 
Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by 
saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting 
that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a very smart 
man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model with 
a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, I 
could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Mark, I'm just curious, what's wrong with going the E-sim route?  I
didn't have any trouble changing the physical sim-card from my iPhone
8 to my 13 pro max.  However, if apple is going the e-sim route, then
personally I'd go with that option.  However, again, I hope you can
find what you are looking for.

On 10/18/22, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> And so it begins.
>
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14
> Pro Max.
>
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to
> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers
> who
> only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they
> are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that
> up
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a
> very smart man (smile).
>
> So, the search begins.
>
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM
> tray, from within the United States?
>
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store,
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
>
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up
> a
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of
> course,
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me
> somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada,
> in person, to grab a model.
>
> All replies greatly appreciated.
>
> Mark
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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[lenron brown]

order it outside of the US that is the only way. Honestly if you can
find a deal on the 13 pro max take it.

On 10/18/22, llump...@austin.rr.com  wrote:
> My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just
> fine?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with
> a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> And so it begins.
>
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14
> Pro Max.
>
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
>
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to
> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who
> only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they
> are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a
> very smart man (smile).
>
> So, the search begins.
>
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM
> tray, from within the United States?
>
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store,
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
>
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
>
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course,
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me
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RE: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[llumpkin]

My question, why a physical sim tray when an electronic sim works just fine?


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a 
Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14 Pro 
Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to learn 
that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who only 
want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they are 
working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to 
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up by 
saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from getting 
that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a very smart 
man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM 
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store, 
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model with 
a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a 
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course, I 
could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me somewhat 
uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada, in person, 
to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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Re: And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[CHELA Robles]

To my knowledge, I don’t think there’s a way to get a physical Sim because if I 
remember correctly, they stated that it was gonna be electronic so I could be 
very wrong though. I could be very wrong, but I don’t think the model you’re 
looking at has a physical Sim tray, but I could be very wrong in this as well. 
That’s just what I’ve gathered from the Keynote that I heard or the Apple 
event. Whatever you wanna call it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2022, at 6:39 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone, 
> 
> And so it begins.
> 
> I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14
> Pro Max.  
> 
> It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.
> 
> While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to
> learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who
> only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they
> are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to
> discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up
> by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from
> getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a
> very smart man (smile).
> 
> So, the search begins.
> 
> Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM
> tray, from within the United States?
> 
> Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store,
> without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model
> with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.
> 
> Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a
> model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.
> 
> I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course,
> I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me
> somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada,
> in person, to grab a model.
> 
> All replies greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Mark  
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And So It Begins: Does Anyone Know How to Buy iPhone 14Pro Max with a Physical SIM Tray from within the United States?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone, 

And so it begins.

I was in one of my local Apple stores, yesterday taking a look at iPhone 14
Pro Max.  

It is my hope to purchase an iPhone 14 model with a physical SIM tray.

While discussing this with a store manager, I was somewhat surprised to
learn that, according to him, the store has been inundated  by customers who
only want to buy iPhone 14 with a physical SIM tray.  He told me that they
are working on crafting an in-store response to the enquiries designed to
discouraged customers from seeking a physical SIM tray.  He followed that up
by saying, "I know you, Mark, and no response is going to keep you from
getting that SIM tray model, if that is what you want."  (smile)  He is a
very smart man (smile).

So, the search begins.

Does anyone know away to purchase an iPhone 14 Pro Max with a physical SIM
tray, from within the United States?

Some people are saying that if you buy a model from the Apple online store,
without designating a wireless provider, that Apple will ship you a model
with a physical SIM tray.  However, I cannot locate anyone to confirm this.

Make no mistake, I'm not above taking a short trek up to Canada to pick up a
model but if I can avoid it, I would prefer to do so.

I have a friend who is heading to Japan in a couple of weeks and, of course,
I could have the friend pick up a model, in Japan, but that makes me
somewhat uncomfortable; I don't know why.  I think I'd rather go to Canada,
in person, to grab a model.

All replies greatly appreciated. 

Mark  

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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Kenny Nead]

Not sure when you buy one, if it will still be Honeywell Home, they did change 
there name, just recently. And you will learn, it is really nice on Alexa, like 
when I go to bed, just say Alexa set thermostat to  whatever temp you ask

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Katrina Anderson
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Thank you so much Kenny for sharing.  I too have a Honeywell thermostat, and 
have found the Total Connect Comfort app extremely accessible to operate the 
thermostat.  I never thought that Alexa might connect to it, but after your 
message, I did some research and am now connected.   There is a need for both 
the app and Alexa.  Ther is way easier if you just want to make a quick change 
in programming.  FYI, the model of my thermostat is Focus Pro TH6320WF.

Katrina

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kenny 
Nead
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

I do not have a number right now, but it is a Honeywell Home, series 6. I can 
control it from any where, if I have the app, ormy Alexa connected to wy fy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Do you happen to have a model number?
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Kenny Nead 
mailto:knea...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have a Honeywell thermostat, and I have the app connected to my Alexa.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort Connect 
app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats.
The TCC app is completely accessible.
HTH,




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks, Richard.
The builder did not spell it correctly.
Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have heard 
Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all systems?
Any recommendations greatly appreciated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
See if this link helps:

www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios<http://www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios>





Richard
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com




On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
Amy


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

HTH,


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com<https://www.turner42.com/>
礪

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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Katrina Anderson]

Thank you so much Kenny for sharing.  I too have a Honeywell thermostat, and 
have found the Total Connect Comfort app extremely accessible to operate the 
thermostat.  I never thought that Alexa might connect to it, but after your 
message, I did some research and am now connected.   There is a need for both 
the app and Alexa.  Ther is way easier if you just want to make a quick change 
in programming.  FYI, the model of my thermostat is Focus Pro TH6320WF.
 
Katrina
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kenny 
Nead
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?
 
I do not have a number right now, but it is a Honeywell Home, series 6. I can 
control it from any where, if I have the app, ormy Alexa connected to wy fy.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Amy Ruell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?
 
Do you happen to have a model number?
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Jul 14, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Kenny Nead mailto:knea...@outlook.com> > wrote:
 
I have a Honeywell thermostat, and I have the app connected to my Alexa.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?
 
We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort Connect 
app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats. 
The TCC app is completely accessible.
HTH,
 
 
 
 
Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 



On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell mailto:aru...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Thanks, Richard.
The builder did not spell it correctly.
Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have heard 
Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all systems?
Any recommendations greatly appreciated.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?
 
Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
See if this link helps:
 
www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios <http://www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios> 
 
 
 
 
 
Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 




On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell mailto:aru...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
Amy
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?
 
First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.
 
The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.
 
I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?
 
Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.
 
HTH,
 
 
Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 
礪
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Amy 
Ruell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using 
VoiceOver?
 
Pro one Technologies , Pro t 705
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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Kenny Nead]

I do not have a number right now, but it is a Honeywell Home, series 6. I can 
control it from any where, if I have the app, ormy Alexa connected to wy fy.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Amy Ruell
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Do you happen to have a model number?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 14, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Kenny Nead 
mailto:knea...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have a Honeywell thermostat, and I have the app connected to my Alexa.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort Connect 
app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats.
The TCC app is completely accessible.
HTH,




Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com




On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks, Richard.
The builder did not spell it correctly.
Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have heard 
Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all systems?
Any recommendations greatly appreciated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
See if this link helps:

www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios<http://www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios>





Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com





On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
Amy


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

HTH,


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Amy Ruell]

Do you happen to have a model number?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2022, at 6:07 PM, Kenny Nead  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a Honeywell thermostat, and I have the app connected to my Alexa.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort 
> Connect app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats. 
> The TCC app is completely accessible.
> HTH,
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Richard.
> The builder did not spell it correctly.
> Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
> Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
> Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have 
> heard Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all 
> systems?
> Any recommendations greatly appreciated.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
> See if this link helps:
>  
> www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
> Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
> Amy
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
> Technologies.
>  
> The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.
>  
> I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?
>  
> Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an 
> app and what the name of the app is.
>  
> HTH,
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
>  
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> Ruell
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 9:50 AM
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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Kenny Nead]

I have a Honeywell thermostat, and I have the app connected to my Alexa.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort Connect 
app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats.
The TCC app is completely accessible.
HTH,




Richard
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Thanks, Richard.
The builder did not spell it correctly.
Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have heard 
Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all systems?
Any recommendations greatly appreciated.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
See if this link helps:

www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios<http://www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios>





Richard
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
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On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell 
mailto:aru...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
Amy


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

HTH,


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Richard Turner]

We have a Honeywell thermostat that works great with the Total Comfort Connect 
app, TCC; which I believe works with other thermostats. 
The TCC app is completely accessible.
HTH,





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> On Jul 14, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Richard.
> The builder did not spell it correctly.
> Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!
> Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.
> Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have 
> heard Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all 
> systems?
> Any recommendations greatly appreciated.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
> See if this link helps:
>  
> www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> “What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
> consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
> Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
> Amy
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
> Technologies.
>  
> The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.
>  
> I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?
>  
> Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an 
> app and what the name of the app is.
>  
> HTH,
>  
>  
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amy 
> Ruell
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 9:50 AM
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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Amy Ruell]

Thanks, Richard.

The builder did not spell it correctly.

Turns out this thermostat is not a smart thermostat!

Installed the app, but it is not the most accessible.

Would be interested in recommendations from those who have these. I have heard 
Next and Honeywell mentioned, but know that Nest does not work with all systems?

Any recommendations greatly appreciated.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

 

Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.

See if this link helps:

 

www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios <http://www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios> 

 

 

 

 

 

Richard

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell mailto:aru...@comcast.net> > wrote:



Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.

Builder doesn’t have any additional information.

Amy

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

 

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

 

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

 

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

 

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 

礪

 

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Re: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Richard Turner]

Apparently the spelling is Pro1 with the number sign.
See if this link helps:

www.pro1iaq.com/wifi-help-ios





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> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:49 AM, Amy Ruell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.
> Builder doesn’t have any additional information.
> Amy
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
> using VoiceOver?
>  
> First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
> Technologies.
>  
> The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.
>  
> I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?
>  
> Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an 
> app and what the name of the app is.
>  
> HTH,
>  
>  
> Richard
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> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
>  
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> Ruell
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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Amy Ruell]

Been there, done that. No app isted in the App store.

Builder doesn’t have any additional information.

Amy

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access 
using VoiceOver?

 

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

 

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

 

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

 

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com <https://www.turner42.com/> 

礪

 

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RE: Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

[Richard Turner]

First, see if you find anything in the app store by searching for Pro One 
Technologies.

 

The key will be if there is an app and the app is accessible.

 

I’m assuming this thermostat uses Wi-Fi?

 

Then, if that doesn’t work, ask the seller of the thermostat if there is an app 
and what the name of the app is.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard

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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com

礪

 

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Does anyone know if this thermostat can be programmed and access using VoiceOver?

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Does anyone know how to make a Samsung TV remote control and Apple TV fourth generation

[Jen .]

Hi I have a Samsung smart TV and an Apple TV fourth generation.  When I first 
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Apple TV fourth generation with my Samsung TV remote but cannot do this now so 
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RE: Does anyone know how to create an event on Facebook using your personal profile on IPad/IPhone??

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Well Eleanor, I would assume it’s the same on the phone as it is on the 
computer. I don't know about the app or if you would do this in safari but you 
would flick to where it says events if you are logged into your account, there 
should be a add event and you would just have to fill in your event info and 
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Hi all 

Just wondering if anyone could help with this please. I’ve got an event coming 
up and would like to create it on Facebook. I don’t have a Facebook page of any 
sort, just my own personal profile. So just wondered if anyone could send me 
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Many thanks for any help anyone can give. 

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Does anyone know how to create an event on Facebook using your personal profile on IPad/IPhone??

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Hi all 

Just wondering if anyone could help with this please. I’ve got an event coming 
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Re: does anyone know how to work Twitter live?

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As far as I know, you have to do it from iPhone or iPad, and you have the 
option to do just audio or video.  Haven’t tried it but that’s what the FAQ 
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> Periscope, what Twitter is currently affiliated with, is being discontinued 
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RE: Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Hi,

Have you tried the idea of sending the current drafts to yourself and then 
deleting that once it arrives in your in box?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
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Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

Hi, Everyone,

I think I'll do the same because I couldn't delete drafts either, and I thought 
it was me!  Haha!  I will call Apple Accessibility as well.

Take care.

Esther
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Richard Turner 
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 No one knows, but if you write 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and add your voice to 
those who have complained about this, chances are it will be fixed before iOS 
15.

Richard

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Re: Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

[Esther]

Hi, Everyone,

I think I'll do the same because I couldn't delete drafts either, and I thought 
it was me!  Haha!  I will call Apple Accessibility as well.

Take care.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Jan 19, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  No one knows, but if you write accessibil...@apple.com and add your voice 
> to those who have complained about this, chances are it will be fixed before 
> iOS 15. 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have a draft email  and can't delete it no matter what I try to do and I 
>> know others have mentioned they have this same problem.  Is apple to 
>> anyone's knowledge, doing anything about this? 
>>  
>> Shirley
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Re: Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

[Donna Casteen]

Hi Shirley,

Here are step-by-step instructions on how to delete the draft email. These 
steps will need to be followed each time that you need to delete a draft 
email
1. Open the email app.
2. Tap on compose to open a new blank email.
3. Tap on minimize draft. If you touch the bottom of the screen you should find 
2 drafts.
4. Tap on the drafts. A list of the 2 drafts will be displayed. Do NOT open 
either of the drafts.
5. Swipe down from the top of the screen until you come to Close Draft. Tap on 
this to close the draft.
6. Once again swipe down from the top of the screen until you come to Close 
Draft. Tap on this to close the draft.
Note: To make a draft of an email is saved to the Draft folder, to be completed 
later & sent- Tap on Cancel. You will be asked if you want to Delete or Save 
the email as a draft. Tap on Save. You will find a copy of the draft email that 
you saved at the bottom of the screen. Follow the steps above to get rid of the 
draft. Don’t worry, the draft will be in your draft email folder.

Donna
 
> 
> 
> I have a draft email  and can't delete it no matter what I try to do and I 
> know others have mentioned they have this same problem.  Is apple to anyone's 
> knowledge, doing anything about this? 
>  
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Re: Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

[Richard Turner]

No one knows, but if you write accessibil...@apple.com and add your voice to 
those who have complained about this, chances are it will be fixed before iOS 
15.


Richard

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"I don't know, I didn't listen."
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On Jan 19, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:


I have a draft email  and can't delete it no matter what I try to do and I know 
others have mentioned they have this same problem.  Is apple to anyone's 
knowledge, doing anything about this?

Shirley

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Does Anyone Know If Apple Is Working on Deleting Drafts?

[Shirley Baker]

I have a draft email  and can't delete it no matter what I try to do and I
know others have mentioned they have this same problem.  Is apple to
anyone's knowledge, doing anything about this?  

 

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Re: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in the Quinton play room website

[Robert Doc Wright]

I am chatting with a moderator now.
- Original Message - 
From: "'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Cc: "Kristeen Hughes" 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 3:50 AM
Subject: Re: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved 
in the Quinton play room website



Can I do this too. There are two of us who have been trying to get back on 
the site for over a year now, and they are totally unresponsive.


Kristeen


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I can send a message via the game room. I will need just your username so 
they can look it up. write me off list.


yeshuatalmi...@gmail.com

- Original Message - From: "Jen ." 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 9:08 PM
Subject: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in 
the Quinton play room website



Hi I have created two accounts for the play room game website and cannot 
verify either account I have been doing this on my iPhone and then tried on 
PC and still not having luck verifying the account to sign in.
I emailed The contact I found on the page but that was the beginning of last 
week and still I’ve heard nothing I thought maybe something was wrong with 
my email address so are used a secondary email I have it created another 
account but still I am faced with the same result can’t verify the account 
so I can sign in and play games hoping for any help and would definitely 
appreciate it.

Thanks.
Jen

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Re: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in the Quinton play room website

['Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone]

Can I do this too. There are two of us who have been trying to get back on the 
site for over a year now, and they are totally unresponsive.

Kristeen


On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
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I can send a message via the game room. I will need just your username so they 
can look it up. write me off list.

yeshuatalmi...@gmail.com

- Original Message - From: "Jen ." 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 9:08 PM
Subject: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in the 
Quinton play room website


Hi I have created two accounts for the play room game website and cannot verify 
either account I have been doing this on my iPhone and then tried on PC and 
still not having luck verifying the account to sign in.
I emailed The contact I found on the page but that was the beginning of last 
week and still I’ve heard nothing I thought maybe something was wrong with my 
email address so are used a secondary email I have it created another account 
but still I am faced with the same result can’t verify the account so I can 
sign in and play games hoping for any help and would definitely appreciate it.
Thanks.
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Re: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in the Quinton play room website

[Robert Doc Wright]

I can send a message via the game room. I will need just your username so 
they can look it up. write me off list.


yeshuatalmi...@gmail.com

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 9:08 PM
Subject: Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in 
the Quinton play room website



Hi I have created two accounts for the play room game website and cannot 
verify either account I have been doing this on my iPhone and then tried on 
PC and still not having luck verifying the account to sign in.
I emailed The contact I found on the page but that was the beginning of last 
week and still I’ve heard nothing I thought maybe something was wrong with 
my email address so are used a secondary email I have it created another 
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Does anyone know how I would get in touch with someone involved in the Quinton play room website

[Jen .]

Hi I have created two accounts for the play room game website and cannot verify 
either account I have been doing this on my iPhone and then tried on PC and 
still not having luck verifying the account to sign in.
I emailed The contact I found on the page but that was the beginning of last 
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Re: Does anyone know about Tunein stations no longer available

[Richard Turner]

Sadly, radio has been on a downhill slide for 40 years or mWhen I first moved 
to Salem Oregon, for college, which gets most of its radio from the Portland 
radio market, there were something like 40 or 50 different owners.Move ahead 
about 20 years and there were about 5 owners.The large conglomerates were/are 
buying up the small stations.It is now difficult to find any consistent local 
news,traffic etc.The internet is going the same way.I canceled my TuneIn 
premium because they lost the NFL and I think MLB.SSo back to the MLB app, and 
the Gameday football app, and the world goes on.

Richard

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airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep 
space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was 
young."
"Why, what did she tell you?"
"I don't know, I didn't listen."
-- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:
> 
> Kathy, and others who may be interested, Unfortunately, there's a struggle 
> going on with all of the internet radio services, especially TuneIn and 
> iHeart Radio. Over the past year, iHeart Radio has bought many of TuneIn's 
> stations... a prime example, WBZ in Boston. I have a really good friend who 
> keepsup with all the changes in radio, and he tells me that all of the 
> internet radio streaming services are in a virtual struggle to gain the upper 
> hand when it comes to internet streaming. I have seen changes also when I try 
> to stream radio with my second generation Victor Stream. Sorry to share such 
> bad news. But radio, overall seems to be headed on a downward spiral, except 
> perhaps for SiriusXm.
> 
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
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>> At least for now? I am getting errors for different ones in my local area, 
>> both on my devices and on my echo. 
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Re: Does anyone know about Tunein stations no longer available

[Duane Steele]

Kathy, and others who may be interested, Unfortunately, there's a struggle 
going on with all of the internet radio services, especially TuneIn and iHeart 
Radio. Over the past year, iHeart Radio has bought many of TuneIn's stations... 
a prime example, WBZ in Boston. I have a really good friend who keepsup with 
all the changes in radio, and he tells me that all of the internet radio 
streaming services are in a virtual struggle to gain the upper hand when it 
comes to internet streaming. I have seen changes also when I try to stream 
radio with my second generation Victor Stream. Sorry to share such bad news. 
But radio, overall seems to be headed on a downward spiral, except perhaps for 
SiriusXm.
 

Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
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Does anyone know about Tunein stations no longer available

[Kathy Brandt]

At least for now? I am getting errors for different ones in my local area, both 
on my devices and on my echo. 

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Re: Does anyone know?

[Wayne Merritt]

Hello. When searching on Amazon for "Apple Watch series 5 case 42mm,"
I found cases for between $7 and $22. From what I could see in the
first 10 or so results, none were from Otterbox. However, and this is
speculation, if Otterbox makes a case for the Apple Watch, it likely
costs a bit more. I'm sure it would protect the watch, but Otterbox
seems to make more premium priced items. Anyway, here's the Amazon
search results link for your consideration:
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=apple+watch+series+5+case+42mm=nb_sb_noss_1

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 10/21/20, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I was wondering, does anyone know if they make an Otterbox case for the
> series 5 watch, for a 42 MM?
>
> I would think that they would. But if they do, I can't seem to find one.
> However, maybe a different sized model works with the 42 MM?
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> Any help is much appreciated.
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> Thank you,
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Does anyone know?

[Terri Stimmel]

Hello everyone,


I was wondering, does anyone know if they make an Otterbox case for the 
series 5 watch, for a 42 MM?


I would think that they would. But if they do, I can't seem to find one. 
However, maybe a different sized model works with the 42 MM?



Any help is much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: Does anyone know if Mark Taylor is still moderating, and is Cara Quinn still the owner?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Richard,

I assure you, we are still here and monitoring the list, everyday (smile).

Mark



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still the owner?

They have both been rather silent for weeks.




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They have both been rather silent for weeks.




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RE: Does Anyone Know Which Watches Will Still Be Available in IOS 14?

[Robin]

This is NOT Verified & Only MyOpinion:
I  "think"  Apple's Series3 AppleWatch  will Support its  WatchOS7, 
but  I  "think" Apple  will Cease & Stop Sellin' the Series3 
AppleWatch   in September2020 if not Earlier

At 07:13 PM 6/23/2020, you wrote:
I wouldn't think the 3 will be out as it's still a sold device in 
the apple range.


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Does anyone know which apple watches will be available in IOS 14? I 
have the series 3 but was thinking about getting the series 5 but 
still would like to know if the 3 will be out?


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Re: Does Anyone Know Which Watches Will Still Be Available in IOS 14?

[Peter Logan]

Series 3 and above… However not all new features will be back to the series 3…

Sent from my IPhome.

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:13 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> I wouldn't think the 3 will be out as it's still a sold device in the apple 
> range.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> Does anyone know which apple watches will be available in IOS 14? I have the 
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> know if the 3 will be out? 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Which Watches Will Still Be Available in IOS 14?

[Simon A Fogarty]

I wouldn't think the 3 will be out as it's still a sold device in the apple 
range.

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Does anyone know which apple watches will be available in IOS 14? I have the 
series 3 but was thinking about getting the series 5 but still would like to 
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RE: Does Anyone Know Which Watches Will Still Be Available in IOS 14?

[Richard Turner]

According to the preview link on Apple's page, Watch OS 7 will work on Series 
3,4 and 5, with at least an iPhone 6S or later.
Here is the link for the full details:
https://www.apple.com/watchos/watchos-preview/



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Does anyone know which apple watches will be available in IOS 14? I have the 
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Does anyone know which apple watches will be available in IOS 14? I have the 
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Evan Reese]

Hi Chris,
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you on this.
I tried signing in to my Tune-in account, but apparently, even though I 
downloaded the app, I don’t have a Tune-in account.
I thought that I could sign in using my email address and my Apple password, 
which is how I generally download apps. That didn’t work, so I hit the Forgot 
Password button and entered my email address and Tune-in doesn’t recognize it. 
So I didn’t have a Tune-in account, even though I have the app.
So I decided to create an account. But when I created an account, I had no 
Favorites. So there’s no way to delete a Favorite from that account because I 
hadn’t entered any Favorites via the Tune-in account, only via the app on my 
iPad Mini.
As I said, they apparently didn’t think of providing a way of deleting a 
station that no longer streams. It seems that it has to play first before you 
have the option of deleting it via the app.
So I guess I’m stuck with it unless I uninstall the app and then reinstall it. 
But then I would lose all my other Favorites.
Thanks anyway for trying to help.
Evan

From: Chris Chaffin 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

Hello Evan,

I just logged in on my computer using the Google Chrome browser and found how 
to remove a favorite.

When you first go to the site, you will have to arrow down the page to find 
where it says sign in.  It is not a link or button, but if you just hit enter 
on it, it will bring up the sign in page where you can sign in.
Also, at the top of the page, right before it says search, you will find a 
slash link.  This is a navigation menu link, and if you hit enter on it, it 
will bring up a list of navigation links at the top of the page.

Once you get to your favorites page.  after each favorite, you will find a 
button that says zero.  If you hit enter on this button, you will get some 
choices that pop up, one of these choices is remove.  Just hit enter on remove, 
and this should remove the station from your favorites.

Hope this has been helpful.  Let me know if you have questions.

Chris


On Jun 21, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


  Hi Chris,
  I never thought of that. I have never logged into that site, just used the 
Tune-In app on my iPad Mini.
  I’ll try it out and see what happens and let you know.
  Evan

  From: Chris Chaffin 
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:05 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

  Hello Evan,

  Have you tried logging in and seeing if you could delete it from the website?
  Here is the address:

  https://tunein.com

  Chris


  On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


Hi Chris,
Unfortunately, that method doesn’t work because the station went off the 
air. So when I double tap it, I get an error message saying:
Error
We’re sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later.
Then an OK button below that.
That’s all that’s on the screen. All I can do is hit the OK button and go 
back to my list of Favorites. I wonder if they neglected to think of a way to 
delete a Favorite that no longer works. Seems unlikely  but it’s possible I 
suppose.
Thanks for trying though.
Any other ideas?
Evan 

From: Chris Chaffin 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

Hello Evan,

If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double 
tap on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites button 
that is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to unselect 
it and remove it from your favorites.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


  Hey Guys,
  I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but 
that station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to 
delete it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
  Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
  Thanks very much.
  Evan
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Evan,

I just logged in on my computer using the Google Chrome browser and found how 
to remove a favorite.

When you first go to the site, you will have to arrow down the page to find 
where it says sign in.  It is not a link or button, but if you just hit enter 
on it, it will bring up the sign in page where you can sign in.
Also, at the top of the page, right before it says search, you will find a 
slash link.  This is a navigation menu link, and if you hit enter on it, it 
will bring up a list of navigation links at the top of the page.

Once you get to your favorites page.  after each favorite, you will find a 
button that says zero.  If you hit enter on this button, you will get some 
choices that pop up, one of these choices is remove.  Just hit enter on remove, 
and this should remove the station from your favorites.

Hope this has been helpful.  Let me know if you have questions.

Chris


> On Jun 21, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> I never thought of that. I have never logged into that site, just used the 
> Tune-In app on my iPad Mini.
> I’ll try it out and see what happens and let you know.
> Evan
>  
> From: Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?
>  
> Hello Evan,
>  
> Have you tried logging in and seeing if you could delete it from the website?
> Here is the address:
>  
> https://tunein.com
>  
> Chris
>  
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> Unfortunately, that method doesn’t work because the station went off the 
>> air. So when I double tap it, I get an error message saying:
>> Error
>> We’re sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later.
>> Then an OK button below that.
>> That’s all that’s on the screen. All I can do is hit the OK button and go 
>> back to my list of Favorites. I wonder if they neglected to think of a way 
>> to delete a Favorite that no longer works. Seems unlikely  but it’s possible 
>> I suppose.
>> Thanks for trying though.
>> Any other ideas?
>> Evan
>>  
>> From: Chris Chaffin
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 2:35 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?
>>  
>> Hello Evan,
>>  
>> If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double 
>> tap on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites 
>> button that is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to 
>> unselect it and remove it from your favorites.
>>  
>> Hope this helps.
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Guys,
>>> I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but 
>>> that station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to 
>>> delete it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing 
>>> it.
>>> Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
>>> Thanks very much.
>>> Evan
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Evan Reese]

Hi Chris,
I never thought of that. I have never logged into that site, just used the 
Tune-In app on my iPad Mini.
I’ll try it out and see what happens and let you know.
Evan

From: Chris Chaffin 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 3:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

Hello Evan,

Have you tried logging in and seeing if you could delete it from the website?
Here is the address:

https://tunein.com

Chris


On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


  Hi Chris,
  Unfortunately, that method doesn’t work because the station went off the air. 
So when I double tap it, I get an error message saying:
  Error
  We’re sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later.
  Then an OK button below that.
  That’s all that’s on the screen. All I can do is hit the OK button and go 
back to my list of Favorites. I wonder if they neglected to think of a way to 
delete a Favorite that no longer works. Seems unlikely  but it’s possible I 
suppose.
  Thanks for trying though.
  Any other ideas?
  Evan 

  From: Chris Chaffin 
  Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 2:35 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

  Hello Evan,

  If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double 
tap on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites button 
that is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to unselect 
it and remove it from your favorites.

  Hope this helps.

  Chris


  On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


Hey Guys,
I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but 
that station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to 
delete it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
Thanks very much.
Evan
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Evan,

Have you tried logging in and seeing if you could delete it from the website?
Here is the address:

https://tunein.com

Chris


> On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> Unfortunately, that method doesn’t work because the station went off the air. 
> So when I double tap it, I get an error message saying:
> Error
> We’re sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later.
> Then an OK button below that.
> That’s all that’s on the screen. All I can do is hit the OK button and go 
> back to my list of Favorites. I wonder if they neglected to think of a way to 
> delete a Favorite that no longer works. Seems unlikely  but it’s possible I 
> suppose.
> Thanks for trying though.
> Any other ideas?
> Evan
>  
> From: Chris Chaffin
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 2:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?
>  
> Hello Evan,
>  
> If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double 
> tap on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites  
> button that is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to 
> unselect it and remove it from your favorites.
>  
> Hope this helps.
>  
> Chris
>  
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Guys,
>> I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but that 
>> station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to delete 
>> it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
>> Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
>> Thanks very much.
>> Evan
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Evan Reese]

Hi Chris,
Unfortunately, that method doesn’t work because the station went off the air. 
So when I double tap it, I get an error message saying:
Error
We’re sorry. An error occurred with this stream. Please try again later.
Then an OK button below that.
That’s all that’s on the screen. All I can do is hit the OK button and go back 
to my list of Favorites. I wonder if they neglected to think of a way to delete 
a Favorite that no longer works. Seems unlikely  but it’s possible I suppose.
Thanks for trying though.
Any other ideas?
Evan 

From: Chris Chaffin 
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 2:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

Hello Evan,

If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double tap 
on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites button that 
is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to unselect it and 
remove it from your favorites.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:


  Hey Guys,
  I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but that 
station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to delete 
it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
  Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
  Thanks very much.
  Evan
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Re: Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Chris Chaffin]

Hello Evan,

If you are wanting to delete or remove it from your favorites, just double tap 
on the station, then on the play screen, you will find a favorites button that 
is currently selected.  Just double tap the favorites button to unselect it and 
remove it from your favorites.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Jun 21, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Evan Reese  wrote:
> 
> Hey Guys,
> I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but that 
> station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to delete 
> it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
> Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
> Thanks very much.
> Evan
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Does Anyone Know How to Delete a Tune-In Favorite?

[Evan Reese]

Hey Guys,
I added a custom stream to my Tune-In Favorites a couple years ago, but that 
station went off the air last year. I can’t seem to figure out how to delete 
it. It seems like there should be an easy way, but I’m just missing it.
Could someone tell me how to delete a Tune-In Favorite?
Thanks very much.
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Re: does anyone know how?

[Angie Nutt]

It maybe so one can get quick access to it if needed in the dark when out and 
about for instance.

All the best
Angie

> On 15 May 2019, at 19:44, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> Thank you for this, as I searched and searched, but I couldn’t find anything 
> related to the annoying flash light or the camera. 
> Again thank you as now I can stop beating myself over the head trying to find 
> or figure out how to get rid of this!  I still don’t understand the whole 
> purpose of having the flash light or the camera on the locked screen though, 
> but I guess this is what Apple wants and what Apple wants Apple gets 
> regardless of what customers might want! 
>  
> Janet
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Keith Bierman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: does anyone know how?
>  
> in iOS 11 this could be disabled. In iOS 12 it seems not.
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/308344/how-to-remove-flashlight-from-iphone-x-lock-screen
>  
> <https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/308344/how-to-remove-flashlight-from-iphone-x-lock-screen>
>  
> I don't understand Sieghard's claim that it isn't part of his lockscreen 
> (unless he's running iOS 11 and disabled 3d touch). it certainly is on all my 
> families phones.
>  
>  
> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:05 AM Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>  
> I am a bit confused here, I don’t have either Flashlight nor Camera on the 
> lock screen. The Camera can be accessed from the lock screen if you do a 
> 3-finger swipe from right to left, but even then there is no Flashlight 
> unless maybe you have the camera’s flash turned on permanently which of 
> course you can change, you can set it to come on automatically or not at all.
> The actual Flashlight as far as I know can only be turned on either by asking 
> SIRI or by swiping up to the Control Centre and then you do of course have 
> both the camera and flashlight buttons there. Do you maybe mean the Control 
> Centre instead of the lock screen?
> As far as the Control Centre is concerned you can in fact decide what is on 
> it or not, just go to Settings > Control Centre > Customize Controls and 
> select or deselect the items you want or do not want. You can definitely take 
> the f;lashlight and camera off if they are on the Control Centre.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: does anyone know how?
>  
> Hello folks,
> Does anyone know how to remove the flash light and the camera buttons from 
> the locked phone screen?  As you know, when the phone is locked, the flash 
> light and the camera buttons are still accessible.  I do not want them to be 
> there.  Very often, as I put the phone in my pocket, my finger touches one of 
> them by mistake and activates it. That drains my phone battery out.  The 
> other day while I was in the train in the underground, Someone alerted me 
> that my phone flash light is on because he can see strong light coming out of 
> my pocket.  It was funny in a way, but also annoying. 
> I looked through all the phone’s settings to see if I can remove these 
> buttons but I was not able to locate the setting to hide these buttons from 
> the locked screen.
>  
> If anyone knows how, I will extremely appreciate it.
>  
> Regards,
>  
>  
>  
> Cris
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Re: does anyone know how?

[Angie Nutt]

I got fed up of the screen activating if say I’m reading a book and I put it in 
a pocket. I felt sure I could stop this and sure enough, in Accessibility 
there’s something called tap to wake. I switched that off. Hopefully this will 
stop things activating by accident. Worked for me

All the best
Angie

> On 15 May 2019, at 19:33, janet gross  wrote:
> 
> HI Cris, 
> I completely understand what you are saying about the annoying flash light 
> and the camera.  I have the exact samething on my XR phone 12.2, and lock 
> screen, and when I put my phone in my purse, sometimes the flash light comes 
> on, and I lose quite a bit of my battery, but I don’t know this until I take 
> my phone out of my purse, and the phone is extremely warm.  When the flash 
> light is on, my phone is all lit up, and as a blind person, I only know this 
> when a sighted person is around, and they tell me Janet you must have the 
> flash light on because your phone is lit up like a Christmas Tree, and then I 
> realize that is why my phone is so warm!  I then check my battery, and sure 
> enough, I’ve lost quite a bit of battery!  I don’t need the camera on the 
> lock screen either because when I go to my home screen, there is the camera 
> as well.  This drives me crazy, and I’ve asked other people how to remove the 
> flash light, but I never get an answer.  I didn’t have this when I used my 
> iPhone 6 either!  
> I’ve looked all through my phone, but I can’t find anything about the flash 
> light or how to remove it from the locked screen.  This causes to much 
> battery loss!  I’m constantly checking my phone when the phone is in my purse 
> to be for sure it doesn’t feel warm because the flash light might be on 
> again, because I don’t want to have to try to make a call, but the battery is 
> drained! 
> Janet  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: does anyone know how?
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I am not talking about the control center, I am talking about the locked 
> screen.  Unfortunately I have both the flash light button and the camera 
> button on my iPhone XR using iOS 12.3.  I wish I could at least remove the 
> flash light button.  It happened quite few times that I turned the flash 
> light on as I put the phone in my pocket.  Sometimes just a simple light 
> touch turn it on.  I would only realize that the flash light is on when I 
> feel my pocket heating up or if someone tells me to turn the flash light off.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Cris
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 12:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: does anyone know how?
>  
> Hi Chris,
>  
> I am a bit confused here, I don’t have either Flashlight nor Camera on the 
> lock screen. The Camera can be accessed from the lock screen if you do a 
> 3-finger swipe from right to left, but even then there is no Flashlight 
> unless maybe you have the camera’s flash turned on permanently which of 
> course you can change, you can set it to come on automatically or not at all.
> The actual Flashlight as far as I know can only be turned on either by asking 
> SIRI or by swiping up to the Control Centre and then you do of course have 
> both the camera and flashlight buttons there. Do you maybe mean the Control 
> Centre instead of the lock screen?
> As far as the Control Centre is concerned you can in fact decide what is on 
> it or not, just go to Settings > Control Centre > Customize Controls and 
> select or deselect the items you want or do not want. You can definitely take 
> the f;lashlight and camera off if they are on the Control Centre.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris Ali
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: does anyone know how?
>  
> Hello folks,
> Does anyone know how to remove the flash light and the camera buttons from 
> the locked phone screen?  As you know, when the phone is locked, the flash 
> light and the camera buttons are still accessible.  I do not want them to be 
> there.  Very often, as I put the phone in my pocket, my finger touches one of 
> them by mistake and activates it. That drains my phone battery out.  

Re: does anyone know how?

[Cris Ali]

No, unfortunately the control center settings do not control the icons on the 
locked screen.

Sent from my iPad

On May 15, 2019, at 11:14 PM, Donna 
mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:

Sieghard is correct. If you go to Settings, control panel, custom, you can add 
or deselect the items that you want quick access to, by doing the 3 finger 
swipe up from the bottom of the screen. You can also have flashlight in the 
control panel for quick access. By doing the 3 finger swipe up; you can turn 
flashlight off until you need it again.  I’m curious..Do you use the app Seeing 
AI? If so, do you leave the app in the app switcher? If you answered yes to the 
above questions; Open the Seeing AI app, tap on menue at the top left, swipe 
down to settings & tap to open, swipe down to manage lighting & tap to select . 
This allows you to decide when the flashlight is needed. With the feature 
deselected the app decides when the flashlight is needed, because more light is 
necessary to complete a task. Hope this is helpful. Oh, & as for having access 
to  the camera from the lock screen..I don’t know a fix for that annoyance for 
you.



Donna

in iOS 11 this could be disabled. In iOS 12 it seems not.
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/308344/how-to-remove-flashlight-from-iphone-x-lock-screen

I don't understand Sieghard's claim that it isn't part of his lockscreen 
(unless he's running iOS 11 and disabled 3d touch). it certainly is on all my 
families phones.


On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:05 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
Hi Chris,

I am a bit confused here, I don’t have either Flashlight nor Camera on the lock 
screen. The Camera can be accessed from the lock screen if you do a 3-finger 
swipe from right to left, but even then there is no Flashlight unless maybe you 
have the camera’s flash turned on permanently which of course you can change, 
you can set it to come on automatically or not at all.
The actual Flashlight as far as I know can only be turned on either by asking 
SIRI or by swiping up to the Control Centre and then you do of course have both 
the camera and flashlight buttons there. Do you maybe mean the Control Centre 
instead of the lock screen?
As far as the Control Centre is concerned you can in fact decide what is on it 
or not, just go to Settings > Control Centre > Customize Controls and select or 
deselect the items you want or do not want. You can definitely take the 
f;lashlight and camera off if they are on the Control Centre.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: does anyone know how?

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how to remove the flash light and the camera buttons from the 
locked phone screen?  As you know, when the phone is locked, the flash light 
and the camera buttons are still accessible.  I do not want them to be there.  
Very often, as I put the phone in my pocket, my finger touches one of them by 
mistake and activates it. That drains my phone battery out.  The other day 
while I was in the train in the underground, Someone alerted me that my phone 
flash light is on because he can see strong light coming out of my pocket.  It 
was funny in a way, but also annoying.
I looked through all the phone’s settings to see if I can remove these buttons 
but I was not able to locate the setting to hide these buttons from the locked 
screen.

If anyone knows how, I will extremely appreciate it.

Regards,



Cris
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Re: does anyone know how?

[Donna]

Sieghard is correct. If you go to Settings, control panel, custom, you can add 
or deselect the items that you want quick access to, by doing the 3 finger 
swipe up from the bottom of the screen. You can also have flashlight in the 
control panel for quick access. By doing the 3 finger swipe up; you can turn 
flashlight off until you need it again.  I’m curious..Do you use the app Seeing 
AI? If so, do you leave the app in the app switcher? If you answered yes to the 
above questions; Open the Seeing AI app, tap on menue at the top left, swipe 
down to settings & tap to open, swipe down to manage lighting & tap to select . 
This allows you to decide when the flashlight is needed. With the feature 
deselected the app decides when the flashlight is needed, because more light is 
necessary to complete a task. Hope this is helpful. Oh, & as for having access 
to  the camera from the lock screen..I don’t know a fix for that annoyance for 
you. 



Donna
> 
> in iOS 11 this could be disabled. In iOS 12 it seems not.
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/308344/how-to-remove-flashlight-from-iphone-x-lock-screen
> 
> I don't understand Sieghard's claim that it isn't part of his lockscreen 
> (unless he's running iOS 11 and disabled 3d touch). it certainly is on all my 
> families phones.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:05 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I am a bit confused here, I don’t have either Flashlight nor Camera on the 
>> lock screen. The Camera can be accessed from the lock screen if you do a 
>> 3-finger swipe from right to left, but even then there is no Flashlight 
>> unless maybe you have the camera’s flash turned on permanently which of 
>> course you can change, you can set it to come on automatically or not at all.
>> 
>> The actual Flashlight as far as I know can only be turned on either by 
>> asking SIRI or by swiping up to the Control Centre and then you do of course 
>> have both the camera and flashlight buttons there. Do you maybe mean the 
>> Control Centre instead of the lock screen?
>> 
>> As far as the Control Centre is concerned you can in fact decide what is on 
>> it or not, just go to Settings > Control Centre > Customize Controls and 
>> select or deselect the items you want or do not want. You can definitely 
>> take the f;lashlight and camera off if they are on the Control Centre.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Sieghard
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
>> Ali
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: does anyone know how?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hello folks,
>> 
>> Does anyone know how to remove the flash light and the camera buttons from 
>> the locked phone screen?  As you know, when the phone is locked, the flash 
>> light and the camera buttons are still accessible.  I do not want them to be 
>> there.  Very often, as I put the phone in my pocket, my finger touches one 
>> of them by mistake and activates it. That drains my phone battery out.  The 
>> other day while I was in the train in the underground, Someone alerted me 
>> that my phone flash light is on because he can see strong light coming out 
>> of my pocket.  It was funny in a way, but also annoying. 
>> 
>> I looked through all the phone’s settings to see if I can remove these 
>> buttons but I was not able to locate the setting to hide these buttons from 
>> the locked screen.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If anyone knows how, I will extremely appreciate it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cris
>> 
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RE: does anyone know how?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Janet, have you contacted Apple Accessibility to address this problem with the 
flashlight? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 4:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: does anyone know how?

Hi Cris, 

Thank you for this, but I already have raise to wake turned off.  I also have 
tap to wake turned off, but still the flash light can still come on if I 
accidentally put my phone in my purse the wrong way, and a few hours later if I 
take my phone out of my purse, it is extremely warm, and that is how I know the 
flash light has been on since I put the phone in my purse.  

This is so annoying!  I still just don’t get what is the whole point to having 
the flash light on a locked screen!  Guess I’ll never know as it makes no sense 
to me, now, if I wanted it on my locked screen, I would add it to the locked 
screen.  

 

Janet  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: does anyone know how?

 

Hi Janet,

I guess for the time being, and until apple decide to listen to customer’s 
wishes, the only advice is to change two settings on your iPhone.  First you go 
to settings, and go to display and brightness and turn raise to wake off.  The 
second is to go to settings, general accessibility and turn tap to wake off.  
This way, once you lock your phone, you won’t be inadvertently activating the 
camera or turning the flash light on as you put the phone in your purse or take 
it out.

 

Regards,

 

Cris

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 2:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: does anyone know how?

 

Hi Keith, 

Thank you for this, as I searched and searched, but I couldn’t find anything 
related to the annoying flash light or the camera.  

Again thank you as now I can stop beating myself over the head trying to find 
or figure out how to get rid of this!  I still don’t understand the whole 
purpose of having the flash light or the camera on the locked screen though, 
but I guess this is what Apple wants and what Apple wants Apple gets regardless 
of what customers might want!  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Bierman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: does anyone know how?

 

in iOS 11 this could be disabled. In iOS 12 it seems not.

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/308344/how-to-remove-flashlight-from-iphone-x-lock-screen

 

I don't understand Sieghard's claim that it isn't part of his lockscreen 
(unless he's running iOS 11 and disabled 3d touch). it certainly is on all my 
families phones.

 

 

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:05 AM Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Chris,

 

I am a bit confused here, I don’t have either Flashlight nor Camera on 
the lock screen. The Camera can be accessed from the lock screen if you do a 
3-finger swipe from right to left, but even then there is no Flashlight unless 
maybe you have the camera’s flash turned on permanently which of course you can 
change, you can set it to come on automatically or not at all.

The actual Flashlight as far as I know can only be turned on either by 
asking SIRI or by swiping up to the Control Centre and then you do of course 
have both the camera and flashlight buttons there. Do you maybe mean the 
Control Centre instead of the lock screen?

As far as the Control Centre is concerned you can in fact decide what 
is on it or not, just go to Settings > Control Centre > Customize Controls and 
select or deselect the items you want or do not want. You can definitely take 
the f;lashlight and camera off if they are on the Control Centre.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: does anyone know how?

     

Hello folks,

Does anyone know how to remove the flash light and the camera buttons 
from the locked phone screen?  As you know, when the phone is locked, the flash 
light and the camera buttons are still accessible.  I do not want them to be 
there.  Very often, as I put the phone in my pocket, my finger touches one of 
them by mistake and activates it. That drains my phone battery out.  The other 
day while I was in the train in the underground, Someone alerted me that my 
phone flash light is on becaus