Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
To use the HQ voice turn use compact off. Christopher Hallsworth On 11/05/2012 02:17, paul and paula jordan wrote: Okay, now is the compact voice the high quality premium voice, or should it be turned off? Sorry, still fairly new at all this. God bless! Paula and babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Settings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover and scroll down and you'll see an option for either turning off or on the compact voice. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul and paula jordan Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Hi. Probably a dumb question, but how would I know if I have the high quality premium voice? Just wondering. I've had none of the voice over voice stopping described, but am still running ios5. Thanks. God bless! Paula Jordan and Babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNavfor...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
I confirm that the problem happens also with speed at 40%. -- Iscriviti a Dropbox, il servizio per condividere i tuoi file gratis con uno spazio pari a 3500mb. Clicca: http://db.tt/W6C56gy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
well this all goes to show that it could be what I say it is, we need a few control subjects who use the speed at 100% or at least more than 60%, and who have the issue, to reduce speed for say 48 hours or so and see if it occurred. I use my device at 40%, last night I upped it to 100%, and used it like that for about an hour or so. I rapidly swiped through news apps, switching to letter navigation etc, and swiping like mad. once, and only once, I got Voice Over to hang for about 10 seconds, this has never, ever happened before, and the only change I've made is the speed of my synth. I continued to swipe at my usual forotious rate. Now this is only one test, we need those of you who state you have the issue to drop your speed, just for a day or so, and see if the issue goes away. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 01:50, Kevin Barry wrote: I use my 4s at 100% speech rate. The bug is still present and so far the only common denominator I've noticed is it seems to rear its ugly head when I'm rapidly swiping. Maybe others are just slower with there devices? At 04:45 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote: just because the issue only began with iOS v5.0, this does not exclude it being related to the speed of the synth. it maybe that previous coding of the OS allowed without issue the speed that some users like, but, that coding in iOS v5.0 does not. I'm not saying that it is the speed issue, but, that it seems plausible, and without anyone who has the issue, declaring that they have the issue, with speed below 60% then we cannot rule it out. more over, we know that the iOS device continues to operate normally, only the speech stops, leading me to consider it a synth specific issue. the people who have the issue, seem to have the speed set high, were as, those who say they do not, seem to have it set at 50% or less. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 18:04, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and sounds freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen locking. It cannot be what you say. It only started with 5 but I function between 40 60% speed. I have a 3GS running Samantha but I know of people using 4 4s on Australian voice. Sent from my iPhone On 9 May 2012, at 16:34, Ed Worrell blindworr...@optimum.net wrote: Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive,
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Dan, Do you clear your app switcher daily and power cycle after doing so? at least once a day? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 03:07, Damshe Thomas wrote: I have been experiencing the same loss of speech. Initially, I was using speech at 100 percent. The same thought occurred to me so I reduced my speech rate to sixty percent. Sixty percent didn't solve the issue so I tried fifty percent and have continued to encounter the problem. I went as far as reseting my phone and maintaining speech rate of sixty percent. For me, the issue has persisted. Just reference, I am using an iPhone 4 and have experienced this loss of speech since 5.01 Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Mario, do you clear your app switcher at least once a day and power cycle at least once daily? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 09:34, Mario Loreti wrote: I confirm that the problem happens also with speed at 40%. -- Iscriviti a Dropbox, il servizio per condividere i tuoi file gratis con uno spazio pari a 3500mb. Clicca: http://db.tt/W6C56gy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
So it's happened to me twice in 24 hours. I was about to email and agree but decided to slow speech first, only to discover it already at 50% instead of what I thought of as 65%. I reduxwd it to 40 but can no longer cope with that slow. I'm fairly certain I have hq American though being in uk Daniel might be hq Daniel by default. How do I check? I personally don't think that making the speed down for 48 hrs will be any use as its more sporadic than that. I'm also not sure that though it seems a long time that it is really as long as a minute or more. Sent from my iPhone On 10 May 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Hi. Probably a dumb question, but how would I know if I have the high quality premium voice? Just wondering. I've had none of the voice over voice stopping described, but am still running ios5. Thanks. God bless! Paula Jordan and Babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours
RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Settings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover and scroll down and you'll see an option for either turning off or on the compact voice. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul and paula jordan Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Hi. Probably a dumb question, but how would I know if I have the high quality premium voice? Just wondering. I've had none of the voice over voice stopping described, but am still running ios5. Thanks. God bless! Paula Jordan and Babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix
RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Okay, now is the compact voice the high quality premium voice, or should it be turned off? Sorry, still fairly new at all this. God bless! Paula and babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cristobal Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Settings, general, Accessibility, Voiceover and scroll down and you'll see an option for either turning off or on the compact voice. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of paul and paula jordan Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Hi. Probably a dumb question, but how would I know if I have the high quality premium voice? Just wondering. I've had none of the voice over voice stopping described, but am still running ios5. Thanks. God bless! Paula Jordan and Babe -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 11:59 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug Ricardo, good point, I'm also using the high quality premium voice. which of course all ties into my point about speed. those using higher speeds tend not to use the high quality premium voice synth, as it does not scale as well. so, you have a good point here. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 10 May 2012, at 12:24, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, one more thing. A friend of mine said she had this problem ever since getting her 4S. She recently upgrade to the premium voice, and it hasn't gone silent yet. I was wondering, are those having this issue using the compact or premium voice? I'm using premium, and never encountered this bug. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. Danielle - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Eric, Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster. I keep mine around 50% but never higher. I also clear the switcher daily and restart. in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and restart your iOS device daily. do you do both of these things and what rate do you
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Hello Neil. I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words. However I use Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too. On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. Danielle - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Eric, Do you have your synth speed
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Kawal, But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello Neil. I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words. However I use Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too. On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
No, but at times Bo loses focus when I habe it connected to my braille display and nor have I ever had the issue you describe although I started with the I phone 4 and now use the 4 S. On 9 May 2012, at 03:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Kawal, But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello Neil. I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words. However I use Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too. On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and sounds freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen locking. It cannot be what you say. It only started with 5 but I function between 40 60% speed. I have a 3GS running Samantha but I know of people using 4 4s on Australian voice. Sent from my iPhone On 9 May 2012, at 16:34, Ed Worrell blindworr...@optimum.net wrote: Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it worth it. E Telephone: (614) 522-9725 Skype: sseric57 On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Oh, well, both my ex-wife and my current wife would disagree with the wrong bit, *smile*. Seriously though, thanks for the compliment. Regarding this bug or any other, I don't personally like having to do testing in order for a company to fix the problem unless I'm on their testing team. However, since we are a small minority, I guess part of me feels that whatever we can do to give Apple all the information they need may help in the end. I can't stand speech at lower speeds, but am willing to put up with it for a few hours to see if I can prove or disprove the assumption that slower speeds are not affected and higher speeds are. Because I've been in beta testing situations before, and still am in certain things, this isn't new to me. Still, it's annoying. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip of the day: Never have a heart attack while playing charades. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 5:20 PM, Eric SS wrote: Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it worth it. E Telephone: (614) 522-9725 Skype: sseric57 On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Raul A. Gallegosr...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Eric, No one said, well at least, I certainly did not, that you had to reduce speed forever. In tech support the hardest issues to resolve are those which seemingly have no reason nor rhyme. Apple are likely powerless to fix this, until they know what is causing it. If you read over my messages clearly, you'll see that I recommended reducing speed for 48 hours or so, if the issue persists then its not that, if though it resoles. bingo, you can then report to Apple accessibility, this is how you reproduce the issue, and this is how you fix it. now they have something concrete to work with. Its very, very highly likely that Apple accessibility folk will not be using their demo unit devices at anywhere near the speed some of you are, so they probably are thinking to themselves, no, no issue here. only a hand full of users have it, and we can see no pattern. so, if you want it fixing, find the pattern and demonstrate how it happens and how to fix it. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 20:37, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
you have it on the button. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 22:01, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
the issue is that for all creators of stuff, if only a small minority of your user base have an issue, and none of them are in your beta testing cycle, you rely on those who have the issue to demonstrate it even exists and that it is not, frankly, user operator error. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 22:26, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Oh, well, both my ex-wife and my current wife would disagree with the wrong bit, *smile*. Seriously though, thanks for the compliment. Regarding this bug or any other, I don't personally like having to do testing in order for a company to fix the problem unless I'm on their testing team. However, since we are a small minority, I guess part of me feels that whatever we can do to give Apple all the information they need may help in the end. I can't stand speech at lower speeds, but am willing to put up with it for a few hours to see if I can prove or disprove the assumption that slower speeds are not affected and higher speeds are. Because I've been in beta testing situations before, and still am in certain things, this isn't new to me. Still, it's annoying. -- Raul A. Gallegos Tip of the day: Never have a heart attack while playing charades. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 5:20 PM, Eric SS wrote: Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it worth it. E Telephone: (614) 522-9725 Skype: sseric57 On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Raul A. Gallegosr...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
I use my 4s at 100% speech rate. The bug is still present and so far the only common denominator I've noticed is it seems to rear its ugly head when I'm rapidly swiping. Maybe others are just slower with there devices? At 04:45 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote: just because the issue only began with iOS v5.0, this does not exclude it being related to the speed of the synth. it maybe that previous coding of the OS allowed without issue the speed that some users like, but, that coding in iOS v5.0 does not. I'm not saying that it is the speed issue, but, that it seems plausible, and without anyone who has the issue, declaring that they have the issue, with speed below 60% then we cannot rule it out. more over, we know that the iOS device continues to operate normally, only the speech stops, leading me to consider it a synth specific issue. the people who have the issue, seem to have the speed set high, were as, those who say they do not, seem to have it set at 50% or less. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 18:04, Kirsten Edmondson wrote: If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and sounds freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen locking. It cannot be what you say. It only started with 5 but I function between 40 60% speed. I have a 3GS running Samantha but I know of people using 4 4s on Australian voice. Sent from my iPhone On 9 May 2012, at 16:34, Ed Worrell blindworr...@optimum.net wrote: Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
I have been experiencing the same loss of speech. Initially, I was using speech at 100 percent. The same thought occurred to me so I reduced my speech rate to sixty percent. Sixty percent didn't solve the issue so I tried fifty percent and have continued to encounter the problem. I went as far as reseting my phone and maintaining speech rate of sixty percent. For me, the issue has persisted. Just reference, I am using an iPhone 4 and have experienced this loss of speech since 5.01 Sent from my iPhone On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Chris, In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set very fast. The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed. I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S. So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate set to just 40%. Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more moderate level say, 60% or less? If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to have in common. That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote: If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient not to use it under a
Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
Neil, I completely agree with you that finding what is causing the problem should help the cause and it would be really nice to be able to confirm that it is a speech rate issue. I keep my speech rate at 45%, not because I do not want it faster, but because I can live with 45% and have come to strongly believe that faster rates subject us to more usability issues than just adjusting to a lower speed. I have limited myself to 45% for that reason and choose not to get accustomed to a higher speech rate on IOS for the reasons stated above and because it is so much harder to accept a lower rate once you have gotten use to a higher one. I do experience the issue, but so far it has not been to near the extent that others describe in frequency and savarity. So far mine does not happen all that frequently and so far has not been for 60 to 90 seconds on any regular occasion. Once it really seemed like a long time, but I still don't think that long. 60 to 90 seconds is a very long time when you are waiting to do something, especially when interacting with an interface. I don't even think it takes the banking machine tipically that long to process your transaction and spit out your cash and that is a lengthy process. Jim On 5/9/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: you have it on the button. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 9 May 2012, at 22:01, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me. -- Raul A. Gallegos Q: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one ... but the light bulb has to really want to change. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74 On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote: Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know it and knowing why you have it really does nothing. If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well. I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever hear anything on our little issue. Eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug
If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't addressed either. I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time. Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across various iPhone and iPad models. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I mean turn it off and back on again? I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote: I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out. I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol. Danielle On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com wrote: Danielle, It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps running at the time etc. one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the issue resolves. A: speech rate no more than 60%, clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle. It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see. if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote: Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't. Danielle - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Eric, Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster. I keep mine around 50% but never higher. I also clear the switcher daily and restart. in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and restart your iOS device daily. do you do both of these things and what rate do you have VO set to? Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather www.neilbarnfather.com TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 8 May 2012, at 11:48, Eric SS wrote: I am amazed and confounded that so many who have been here for so long and speak as though they have such great knowledge act as though this is an unheard of experience that is brand new and only happening with a very few. This has been going on since IOS5. I know I have discussed it at length and probably too much. Apple has never acknowledged the issue, although they did once ask for clarification of what situations caused it. Trust me, I am a very heavy user and fairly knowledgeable and the issue is real and is not limited just to a few new occurrences on this list. I have tested it under all situations I can come up with on a 4S and old ITouch, with both quality voices and even alternate accents. I have restored both devices on several occasions; complete restores and not merely from backup. I have methodically added applications to the devices
