Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
,yes i had tryed everything that's not helped. נשלח מה-iPhone שלי > ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 17:40, Richard Turner > כתב/ה: > > > Have you cleared out the app switcher and rebooted? > > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > >>> On Sep 18, 2020, at 7:34 AM, ליאל בן סימון wrote: >>> >> >> Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice Over. When i am. >> Entering to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice >> Over crashing to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my braille display in >> Hebrew language only in English. >> >> נשלח מה-iPhone שלי >> >>> ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, Devin Prater >>> כתב/ה: >>> >>> >>> VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, >>> that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible >>> apps, not system wide. >>> Devin Prater >>> sent from Gmail. >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner >>>> wrote: >>>> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. >>>> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the >>>> drawing board and not released. >>>> It is mostly useless. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >>>> Edward Herbert >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >>>> Applevis.com >>>> >>>> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything >>>> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as >>>> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in >>>> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, >>>> and it seems to be fine. >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Cristóbal Muñoz >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >>>> Applevis.com >>>> >>>> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? >>>> >>>> Cristóbal >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >>>> Applevis.com >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send >>>> anything to Apple. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>>> Cristóbal Muñoz >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >>>> Applevis.com >>>> >>>> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid >>>> of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen >>>> recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as >>>> before. >>>> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO >>>> element bug either. >&
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Have you cleared out the app switcher and rebooted? Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert On Sep 18, 2020, at 7:34 AM, ליאל בן סימון wrote: Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice Over. When i am. Entering to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice Over crashing to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my braille display in Hebrew language only in English. נשלח מה-iPhone שלי ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, Devin Prater כתב/ה: VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, not system wide. Devin Prater sent from Gmail. On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the drawing board and not released. It is mostly useless. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com<mailto:jasmine.kot...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com<mailto:jasmine.kot...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0<https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content=02%7C01%7C%7C0f7cea120f13444a278108d85be00418%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637360364981389689=DYMN2OQJfPuIFdH1yRONqcrXbX4w6fxhqPU4JSCx64o%3D=0> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looke
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Hi, i have an iPhone XS and i have lags with Voice Over. When i am. Entering to Voice Over Settings when braille display is connected Voice Over crashing to me nun stop. I csn't tyeping on my braille display in Hebrew language only in English. נשלח מה-iPhone שלי > ב-18 בספט׳ 2020, בשעה 16:38, Devin Prater כתב/ה: > > > VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that > is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, > not system wide. > Devin Prater > sent from Gmail. > > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner >> wrote: >> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. >> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the >> drawing board and not released. >> It is mostly useless. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward >> Herbert >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything >> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as >> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in >> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, >> and it seems to be fine. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Hi, >> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send >> anything to Apple. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of >> whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition >> feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. >> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO >> element bug either. >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 >> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I >> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. >> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could >> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I >> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said >> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and >> swiped. >> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to >> Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and >> disruptive bug. >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne >> Merritt >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevi
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
I would be interested to know what phones/devices people have who are experiencing many issues, such as with Screen/VO Recognition? I have an iPhone XR and, though there has been some lag with recognition, it is working good for me. Perhaps these issues and sluggishness are happening on older iPhones. Jmt, Wayne Merritt On 9/18/20, Devin Prater wrote: > VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, > that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible > apps, not system wide. > Devin Prater > sent from Gmail. > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner > > wrote: > >> Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. >> The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the >> drawing board and not released. >> It is mostly useless. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass >> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient >> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not >> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - >> Edward Herbert >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything >> that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as >> messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in >> settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, >> and it seems to be fine. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> jasmine.kot...@gmail.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> Hi, >> I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send >> anything to Apple. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Cristóbal Muñoz >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >> Applevis.com >> >> As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid >> of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen >> recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working >> as >> before. >> It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO >> element bug either. >> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 >> I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I >> provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I >> did. >> Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I >> could >> share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. >> I >> needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She >> said >> that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and >> swiped. >> Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out >> to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and >> disruptive bug. >> >> Cristóbal >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Wayne Merritt >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from >>
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
VO Recognition isn't supposed to be kept on. You enable it in settings, that is, download the ML stuff for it, then you turn it on in inaccessible apps, not system wide. Devin Prater sent from Gmail. On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 5:09 PM Richard Turner wrote: > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > drawing board and not released. > It is mostly useless. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > Edward Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as > messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in > settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, > and it seems to be fine. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Hi, > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > anything to Apple. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid > of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen > recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as > before. > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > element bug either. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could > share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I > needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said > that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and > swiped. > Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out > to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and > disruptive bug. > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Wayne Merritt > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's > phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure > there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. > Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to > 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. > > Wayne > > On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > > really does make apps unusable. > > > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > > usually double tap and
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Probably because the folks testing it didn’t experience what you have experienced. Maybe it’s different in different apps? For instance, somebody put something out on an AppleVis today saying that navigation by line in mail is totally broken. I find the opposite to be true. It’s finally fixed. I can use it. It actually works without me having to go to the top of the message first before I can do anything. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Rajiv Shah wrote: > > > Hi, > > One of the moderate/minor bugs was navigating HTML web views. This is > impossible in apps after the upgrade. I have confirmed with Apple that this > is a serious bug. Apple Vis?? Why have you called this a "minor bug?" Is this > because you've been using this for months and simply adjusted yourselves to > the so-called annoyance? > - Original Message - > From: Holly Anderson > To: viphone list list > Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:58:34 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > See, I don’t agree. I haven’t been using it long, but I like the feature. I > have it turned on, and I’m not having issues. > > But if people are, that’s unfortunate and apple needs to be aware of the > issues. > Holly > > On Sep 17, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Richard Turner > > wrote: > > > > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > > drawing board and not released. > > It is mostly useless. > > > > > > > > Richard > > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - > > Edward Herbert > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > > Applevis.com > > > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as > > messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in > > settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, > > and it seems to be fine. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > > Cristóbal Muñoz > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > > Applevis.com > > > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > > > Cristóbal > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > > Applevis.com > > > > Hi, > > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > > anything to Apple. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > > Cristóbal Muñoz > > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > > Applevis.com > > > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid > > of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen > > recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as > > before. > > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > > element bug either. > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D=0 > > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > > Same issue. When trying to upload
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Hi, One of the moderate/minor bugs was navigating HTML web views. This is impossible in apps after the upgrade. I have confirmed with Apple that this is a serious bug. Apple Vis?? Why have you called this a "minor bug?" Is this because you've been using this for months and simply adjusted yourselves to the so-called annoyance? - Original Message - From: Holly Anderson To: viphone list list Sent: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 18:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com See, I don’t agree. I haven’t been using it long, but I like the feature. I have it turned on, and I’m not having issues. But if people are, that’s unfortunate and apple needs to be aware of the issues. Holly > On Sep 17, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > drawing board and not released. > It is mostly useless. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages > or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I > finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to > be fine. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Hi, > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > anything to Apple. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of > whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition > feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > element bug either. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3D=0 > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could > share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I > needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said > that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and > swiped. > Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to > Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and > disruptive bug. > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne > Merritt > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone > after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no > issues or g
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See, I don’t agree. I haven’t been using it long, but I like the feature. I have it turned on, and I’m not having issues. But if people are, that’s unfortunate and apple needs to be aware of the issues. Holly > On Sep 17, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > drawing board and not released. > It is mostly useless. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages > or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I > finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to > be fine. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Hi, > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > anything to Apple. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of > whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition > feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > element bug either. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could > share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I > needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said > that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and > swiped. > Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to > Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and > disruptive bug. > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne > Merritt > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone > after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no > issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. > Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 > until Apple puts out fixes. > > Wayne > > On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even >> after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It >> really does make apps unusable. >> >> The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary >> language profile. When I w
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
No problems with the Share Sheet losing focus like you describe, on my SE2020 with iOS14 Thank God. That’s weird! What phone do you have? Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 De: Cristóbal MuñozEnviado: jueves, 17 de septiembre de 2020 11:23 a. m.Para: viphone@googlegroups.comAsunto: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It really does make apps unusable. The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. Not… ideal.VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands instead of just one hand which is more annoying.Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now.VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s one of those well intentione things where more description is better, but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary.I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Applevis listed no serious bugs. Moderate BugsOn occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can resolve this behavior.On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you may find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of this behaviour can typically be seen with Google search results when using the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour has also been noticed inside some apps. Our suspicion is that this is when an app uses HTML in the code that generates the page. One example of this behaviour in an app is the App Store app. In this app, if you go to the Today tab; double tap on “My Account”; and then double-tap on your name, the contents of the ‘Account’ page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due to VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’.When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about the text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show the cursor at the top of the document.The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with the movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this tab. This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is nothing more on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover everything which is accessible on this screen, we recommend that you make use of the 3 finger swipe up or down to scroll the screen contents and explore using a combination of touch, the scroll bar, and swiping. Additionally, you are likely to encounter a number of “Play” and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, where the UI element they are associated with is not recognized or spoken by VoiceOver.There are a number of issues with the new widgets introduced with iOS 14 and iPadOS 14. In some cases, this results in VoiceOver focus getting ‘s
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
I'm not going to be updating just yet. I kind of like 13.7. On 9/17/20, Richard Turner wrote: > Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. > The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the > drawing board and not released. > It is mostly useless. > > > > Richard > "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass > himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient > hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not > granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward > Herbert > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything > that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as > messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in > settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, > and it seems to be fine. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? > > Cristóbal > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > jasmine.kot...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > Hi, > I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send > anything to Apple. > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Cristóbal Muñoz > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of > whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition > feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. > It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO > element bug either. > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 > I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I > provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. > Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could > share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I > needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said > that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and > swiped. > Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to > Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and > disruptive bug. > > Cristóbal > > -----Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne > Merritt > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone > after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no > issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. > Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 > until Apple puts out fixes. > > Wayne > > On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: >> The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even >> after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It >> really does make apps unusable. >> >> The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary >> language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll >> usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another >> finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked >> fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Even if you report that to Apple Accessibility, it can help. The Voice Recognition stuff, in my opinion, should have been kept on the drawing board and not released. It is mostly useless. Richard "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 3:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.applevis.com%2Fforum%2Fios-ipados%2Fsevere-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-contentdata=02%7C01%7C%7C792b2a7e5228451fb5cd08d85b550d3a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637359768130129235sdata=QkzAoNvtQp0VJCgRTtkhXrFSaMbIs7Le1jOTFOV4RMY%3Dreserved=0 I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts &g
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
My issue was that after turning the voiceover recognition, and everything that goes with it, on, it was not easy to navigate my phone, such as messages or Whatsapp. I even had a hard time turning things on and off in settings. I finally got Voiceover recognition off and restarted my phone, and it seems to be fine. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/severe-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should > be noted that not all of our testers expe
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Ok...? so, which issue and how did you resolve it? Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of jasmine.kot...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 2:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/severe-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should > be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we > believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One > workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit > this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a > voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to > add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in > that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to > switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our > experience indicates that t
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
Hi, I had the same issue, but since I've already resolved it, I can't send anything to Apple. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cristóbal Muñoz Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/severe-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should > be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we > believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One > workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit > this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a > voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to > add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in > that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to > switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our > experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and > your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same > voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested > that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can resolve > this behavior. > *
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
As I mentioned previously, in my case, I did restart the phone to get rid of whatever funkiness was still going on after disabling the screen recognition feature. This was the only way I could get the apps working as before. It looks like I'm not the only one dealing with the really annoying VO element bug either. https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/severe-voiceover-bug-when-navigating-html-content I reached out to Apple accessibility regarding the same. They requested I provide a screen recording as well as system log of the event. Which I did. Same issue. When trying to upload both items to my Google Drive so I could share it with them, VO got stuck after selecting Drive in the sharesheet. I needed my sighted wife's help to complete the process both times. She said that it looked like VO was getting stuck no matter how much I flicked and swiped. Goes without saying, if others are experiencing the same issue. Reach out to Apple to let them know. This is proving to be a rather annoying and disruptive bug. Cristóbal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Wayne Merritt Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 9:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even > after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It > really does make apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary > language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll > usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another > finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked > fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. > Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the > phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted > to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke > dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands > instead of just one hand which is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts > of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets > stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s > one of those well intentione things where more description is better, > but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should > be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we > believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One > workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit > this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a > voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to > add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in > that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to > switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our > experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and > your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same > voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested > that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can resolve > this behavior. > * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you > may > find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. > This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make > navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of > this behaviour can typically
Re: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
For what it's worth, I think it is always a good idea to restart one's phone after an update, whether it's a minor or major update, to insure there's no issues or glitches. Sorry you've had a bad go of it. Hopefully 14.1 will resolve some of your issues, or you can get back to 13.7 until Apple puts out fixes. Wayne On 9/17/20, Cristóbal Muñoz wrote: > The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even after > turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It really does make > apps unusable. > > The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary language > profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll usually double tap > and hold on the delete button and with another finger, split tap as many > times as I want to go back. This has worked fine, but now, if I do that, I’m > taken to the beginning of the edit field. Not… ideal. > > VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just > flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the phone’s > doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted to using the > two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke dictation which means I > more often than not have to now use two hands instead of just one hand which > is more annoying. > > Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts of > buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets stuck on > elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. > > VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s one > of those well intentione things where more description is better, but after > the umpteenth time… So not necessary. > > I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. > > > > Cristóbal > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from > Applevis.com > > > > Applevis listed no serious bugs. > > > > Moderate Bugs > > * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device > might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should be > noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we believe the > severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One workaround is to > switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit this behaviour, though > this may take some trial and error to find a voice that works for you. A > slightly more involved workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's > language rotor; set the voice in that secondary language to your preferred > voice; then use the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary > language. Our experience indicates that the latter workaround can make > VoiceOver and your device more responsive, even though you are still using > the same voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been > suggested that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice > can resolve this behavior. > * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you > may > find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. > This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make navigation > difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of this behaviour > can typically be seen with Google search results when using the VoiceOver > rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour has also been noticed inside > some apps. Our suspicion is that this is when an app uses HTML in the code > that generates the page. One example of this behaviour in an app is the App > Store app. In this app, if you go to the Today tab; double tap on “My > Account”; and then double-tap on your name, the contents of the ‘Account’ > page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due to > VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’. > * When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about the > text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show the > cursor at the top of the document. > * The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI > elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with the > movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this tab. > This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is nothing more > on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover everything which is > accessible on this screen, we recommend that you make use of the 3 finger > swipe up or down to scroll the screen contents and explore using a > combination of touch, the scroll bar, and swiping. Additionally, you are > likely to encounter a number of “Play” and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, > where the UI element they are associated with is not recognized or spoken by > VoiceOver. > * There are a number of issues with the
RE: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com
The only way I was able to get rid of the screen recognition even after turning it back off was to completely restart the phone. It really does make apps unusable. The text editing bugs are a real pain even if using the secondary language profile. When I want to delete multiple characters, I’ll usually double tap and hold on the delete button and with another finger, split tap as many times as I want to go back. This has worked fine, but now, if I do that, I’m taken to the beginning of the edit field. Not… ideal. VO can’t seem to maintain focus on the dictate button either. It just flickers and studders and the haptic feedback goes off as if the phone’s doing the jitterbug if trying to navigate to it. I’ve resorted to using the two finger double tap in the edit field to invoke dictation which means I more often than not have to now use two hands instead of just one hand which is more annoying. Don’t’ even try to share an item via the share sheet. VO is all sorts of buggy to the point where you can’t do anything. It’s jumpy, gets stuck on elements and in short makes this feature completely useless now. VoiceOver says toolbar when on the toolbar. I mean… it seems like it’s one of those well intentione things where more description is better, but after the umpteenth time… So not necessary. I’m really considering rolling back to iOS 13.7. Cristóbal From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 7:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Moderate and minor bugs plus Accessibility improvements from Applevis.com Applevis listed no serious bugs. Moderate Bugs * On occasions, there may be a ‘lag’ in VoiceOver speech; or your device might feel generally less responsive than it was on iOS 13. It should be noted that not all of our testers experienced this issue, and we believe the severity of the issue is likely somewhat subjective. One workaround is to switch to a VoiceOver voice that does not exhibit this behaviour, though this may take some trial and error to find a voice that works for you. A slightly more involved workaround is to add a second voice to VoiceOver's language rotor; set the voice in that secondary language to your preferred voice; then use the rotor to switch to your preferred voice in the secondary language. Our experience indicates that the latter workaround can make VoiceOver and your device more responsive, even though you are still using the same voice - just not as the "default" language. It has also been suggested that deleting and re-downloading your preferred VoiceOver voice can resolve this behavior. * On some web pages in Safari; web views in apps; and pages in apps, you may find that VoiceOver focus will spontaneously ‘jump’ to another UI element. This behaviour does not appear to be widespread, but can make navigation difficult and confusing when it does occur. One example of this behaviour can typically be seen with Google search results when using the VoiceOver rotor to navigate by heading. Similar behaviour has also been noticed inside some apps. Our suspicion is that this is when an app uses HTML in the code that generates the page. One example of this behaviour in an app is the App Store app. In this app, if you go to the Today tab; double tap on “My Account”; and then double-tap on your name, the contents of the ‘Account’ page and many that it link to are extremely difficult to navigate due to VoiceOver focus constantly ‘jumping’. * When editing a typed note using a braille display, information about the text field will randomly display and cause VoiceOver to wrongly show the cursor at the top of the document. * The ‘Radio’ tab in the native Music app contains some graphical UI elements which are not recognized by VoiceOver and can interfere with the movement of VoiceOver focus when swiping through the contents of this tab. This behaviour may understandably have you assume that there is nothing more on this screen, when in fact there is. To fully discover everything which is accessible on this screen, we recommend that you make use of the 3 finger swipe up or down to scroll the screen contents and explore using a combination of touch, the scroll bar, and swiping. Additionally, you are likely to encounter a number of “Play” and “Schedule” buttons on this tab, where the UI element they are associated with is not recognized or spoken by VoiceOver. * There are a number of issues with the new widgets introduced with iOS 14 and iPadOS 14. In some cases, this results in VoiceOver focus getting ‘stuck’ when swiping through widgets on the Today view or the Today view not scrolling to make all widgets accessible to VoiceOver. Also, on occasions, the VoiceOver rotor's Action menu may not be present or work as expected on stacked widgets. * The performance of Apple's new VoiceOver recognition features is inconsistent and
