subject:"Re\: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads\?"

Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-10-01 Thread Craig Werner

After updating to iOS 12, the BARD app is reporting as taking up 147 MB, a
very plausible figure considering the number and size of the books I have
downloaded to my iPhone.

Craig

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 10:35 PM Craig Werner  wrote:

> Hello, Alan and everyone.
>
> I realize what follows may be boring to many since this report will
> not help anyone use the BARD app more effectively; but if anyone is
> interested in more findings about BARD app storage reporting, here's
> the very dry report.  I am writing it out of a sense of duty and not
> because I believe anyone's lives will be changed for the better for
> reading it.
>
> Problem:  When I go to "Settings -> General -> iPhone Storage," my
> iPhone running iOS 11.4.1 seems to include the correct number of
> megabytes the BARD app takes up of total storage.  However, with
> several  books downloaded, if I click on the BARD app's entry, the app
> is shown as taking up 5.5 MB and its documents and data a mere 20 KB.
>
> After an email exchange this morning with NLS BARD support, in which
> my emails were answered courteously, quickly, and thoughtfully, I
> phoned Apple and got the same advice that I did from NLS: re-install
> the app if I liked.  No other theory as to how to remedy the problem
> was given.  I reinstalled the app and got the same behavior.
>
> Later in the day, I decided that instead of again deleting the app and
> re-installing it, I would offload the app, preserving the documents
> and data until such time as I would install the app once more.  As
> soon as I offloaded it, the correct byte count for the documents and
> data of the app was surprisingly  shown: something over 600 MB.  This
> time, though, the total number of gigabytes  of storage reported by
> the iPhone did not seem to take into account the gigabyte count taken
> up by   the BARD app.  Feeling totally confused, I deleted everything
> connected with the BARD app, reinstalled it, and now have the original
> scenario: the total storage of the phone seems to reflect the presence
> of the BARD app, but when I check out the app itself, the documents
> and data count is again only 20 KB.  It is important to stress that
> the app is working correctly.
>
> The bottom line: It does seem as if there is a communications
> disconnect between the BARD app and the phone, but my diagnostic zeal
> has been exhausted.  I'm copying this information  to NLS Support in
> case they want to forward it to BARD's developers.  When I download
> iOS 12, we'll see what happens.
>
> If you are tired of this thread, I don't blame you in the least.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/26/18, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> > Craig,
> >
> >
> >
> > That is curious. I would think it should be fairly straightforward for
> the
> > iPhone to calculate and properly report how much storage each app is
> using.
> > Keep us posted if you learn what's up.
> >
> >
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Craig Werner
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:36 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling
> > that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS
> version
> > and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered something
> > surprising:  even after downloading three more books, two of which are
> over
> > ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only 5.5 MB of
> > storage.  However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone rose by
> > 300 MB.  Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or perhaps I
> > should write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in this way.
> > This odd behavior has me curious.
> >
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD
> > Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of
> > varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit
> less
> > than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space
> which
> > would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are
> > longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work.
> >
> > Alan Lemly
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroup

Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-27 Thread Craig Werner

Hello, Alan and everyone.

I realize what follows may be boring to many since this report will
not help anyone use the BARD app more effectively; but if anyone is
interested in more findings about BARD app storage reporting, here's
the very dry report.  I am writing it out of a sense of duty and not
because I believe anyone's lives will be changed for the better for
reading it.

Problem:  When I go to "Settings -> General -> iPhone Storage," my
iPhone running iOS 11.4.1 seems to include the correct number of
megabytes the BARD app takes up of total storage.  However, with
several  books downloaded, if I click on the BARD app's entry, the app
is shown as taking up 5.5 MB and its documents and data a mere 20 KB.

After an email exchange this morning with NLS BARD support, in which
my emails were answered courteously, quickly, and thoughtfully, I
phoned Apple and got the same advice that I did from NLS: re-install
the app if I liked.  No other theory as to how to remedy the problem
was given.  I reinstalled the app and got the same behavior.

Later in the day, I decided that instead of again deleting the app and
re-installing it, I would offload the app, preserving the documents
and data until such time as I would install the app once more.  As
soon as I offloaded it, the correct byte count for the documents and
data of the app was surprisingly  shown: something over 600 MB.  This
time, though, the total number of gigabytes  of storage reported by
the iPhone did not seem to take into account the gigabyte count taken
up by   the BARD app.  Feeling totally confused, I deleted everything
connected with the BARD app, reinstalled it, and now have the original
scenario: the total storage of the phone seems to reflect the presence
of the BARD app, but when I check out the app itself, the documents
and data count is again only 20 KB.  It is important to stress that
the app is working correctly.

The bottom line: It does seem as if there is a communications
disconnect between the BARD app and the phone, but my diagnostic zeal
has been exhausted.  I'm copying this information  to NLS Support in
case they want to forward it to BARD's developers.  When I download
iOS 12, we'll see what happens.

If you are tired of this thread, I don't blame you in the least.

Thanks for reading.

Craig

On 9/26/18, Alan Lemly  wrote:
> Craig,
>
>
>
> That is curious. I would think it should be fairly straightforward for the
> iPhone to calculate and properly report how much storage each app is using.
> Keep us posted if you learn what's up.
>
>
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling
> that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS version
> and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered something
> surprising:  even after downloading three more books, two of which are over
> ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only 5.5 MB of
> storage.  However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone rose by
> 300 MB.  Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or perhaps I
> should write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in this way.
> This odd behavior has me curious.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
> Hi Craig,
>
> Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD
> Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of
> varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit less
> than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space which
> would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are
> longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.
>
> I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't
> assure that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in my
> question is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low storage
> content the same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is odd, I'm
> concluding that this is normal.  I have never before run into a situation
> where an app's downloaded files are not included in the app's storage area
> itself, and I wonder why the

RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Alan Lemly

Craig,

That is curious. I would think it should be fairly straightforward for the 
iPhone to calculate and properly report how much storage each app is using. 
Keep us posted if you learn what's up.

Alan

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling that 
the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS version and a 
previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered something surprising:  
even after downloading three more books, two of which are over ten hours, the 
BARD app is reported as still taking up only 5.5 MB of storage.  However, the 
total number of bytes stored in the iPhone rose by 300 MB.  Perhaps I should 
uninstall and reinstall the app, or perhaps I should write the developers and 
ask why the app is behaving in this way.  This odd behavior has me curious.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:

Hi Craig,

Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD Mobile 
is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of varying 
lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit less than 10MB 
in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space which would work out 
to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are longer than 10 hours 
and the math seems to work.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.

I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't assure 
that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in my question 
is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low storage content the 
same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is odd, I'm concluding that 
this is normal.  I have never before run into a situation where an app's 
downloaded files are not included in the app's storage area itself, and I 
wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in this way.  In the case of the 
Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for instance, I'm pretty sure the app's files 
are embedded where one might expect them.  Oh well, life is too short to ponder 
everything.  The bottom line is that the BARD app works very well overall, and 
I'm glad to have it.

Craig

On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Craig,
>
> You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear answer.
> Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is 
> somewhat of a mystery to most of us.
>
> I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are 
> stored all across the storage device in the most efficient 
> configuration possible.  In short, I don't think the actual files live in any 
> one place on the drive.
> For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on 
> my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of 
> which are over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so 
> much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of 
> course.
>
> This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal 
> storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in 
> order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and 
> apps, installed.  At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on a 
> computer.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  
> Why, then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB 
> of iPhone storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books 
> live on the device?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know 
> this, The books will play with airplane mode turned on.
>
> From: Robert Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> I don t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I 
> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you 
> stream from.
>
> character is found in how you treat

Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Craig Werner

'tis a puzzlement indeed.  All I can say is that the size of the app
appears to be correctly reported, but the megabyte count of the books is
not being shown.  However, this latter number is reflected in the report of
total bytes used by the phone.  I have an iPhone 5 running iOS 10.3, and
the version of BARD I have on that phone reports sensible numbers.  I may
reinstall the app on the iPhone SE running iOS 11.4.1 to see if the issue
clears up; or I may write to the app's developers to ask if they have ever
noted this behavior.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:17 PM Donna  wrote:

> Hi
>
> This topic sparked my interest & curiosity. When going to settings,
> general, iPhone. The Bard Mobile app takes up 5.5MB. The Documents & Data
> in the app uses 4.96GB. This makes sense, being I have 46 books downloaded
> & the average length of each book is 8-12 hours. Not sure why your numbers
> are much lower. 樂樂樂
>
> Donna
>
> Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling
> that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS
> version and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered
> something surprising:  even after downloading three more books, two of
> which are over ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only
> 5.5 MB of storage.  However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone
> rose by 300 MB.  Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or
> perhaps I should write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in
> this way.  This odd behavior has me curious.
>
> Craig
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:
>
>> Hi Craig,
>>
>> Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD
>> Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of
>> varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit
>> less than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space
>> which would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books
>> are longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work.
>>
>> Alan Lemly
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>>
>> Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.
>>
>> I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't
>> assure that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in
>> my question is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low
>> storage content the same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is
>> odd, I'm concluding that this is normal.  I have never before run into a
>> situation where an app's downloaded files are not included in the app's
>> storage area itself, and I wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in
>> this way.  In the case of the Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for
>> instance, I'm pretty sure the app's files are embedded where one might
>> expect them.  Oh well, life is too short to ponder everything.  The bottom
>> line is that the BARD app works very well overall, and I'm glad to have it.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> > Hello Craig,
>> >
>> > You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear
>> answer.
>> > Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is
>> > somewhat of a mystery to most of us.
>> >
>> > I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are
>> > stored all across the storage device in the most efficient
>> > configuration possible.  In short, I don't think the actual files live
>> in any one place on the drive.
>> > For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on
>> > my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of
>> > which are over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so
>> > much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of
>> course.
>> >
>> > This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal
>> > storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in
>> > order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and
>> > apps, installed.  At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes
>> on a computer.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: v

Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Donna

Hi

This topic sparked my interest & curiosity. When going to settings, general, 
iPhone. The Bard Mobile app takes up 5.5MB. The Documents & Data in the app 
uses 4.96GB. This makes sense, being I have 46 books downloaded & the average 
length of each book is 8-12 hours. Not sure why your numbers are much lower. 樂樂樂

Donna
> 
> Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling 
> that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS version 
> and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered something 
> surprising:  even after downloading three more books, two of which are over 
> ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only 5.5 MB of 
> storage.  However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone rose by 300 
> MB.  Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or perhaps I should 
> write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in this way.  This odd 
> behavior has me curious.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:
>> Hi Craig,
>> 
>> Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD 
>> Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of 
>> varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit less 
>> than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space which 
>> would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are 
>> longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Craig Werner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>> 
>> Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.
>> 
>> I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't 
>> assure that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in my 
>> question is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low storage 
>> content the same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is odd, I'm 
>> concluding that this is normal.  I have never before run into a situation 
>> where an app's downloaded files are not included in the app's storage area 
>> itself, and I wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in this way.  In 
>> the case of the Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for instance, I'm pretty 
>> sure the app's files are embedded where one might expect them.  Oh well, 
>> life is too short to ponder everything.  The bottom line is that the BARD 
>> app works very well overall, and I'm glad to have it.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> > Hello Craig,
>> >
>> > You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear answer.
>> > Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is 
>> > somewhat of a mystery to most of us.
>> >
>> > I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are 
>> > stored all across the storage device in the most efficient 
>> > configuration possible.  In short, I don't think the actual files live in 
>> > any one place on the drive.
>> > For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on 
>> > my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of 
>> > which are over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so 
>> > much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of 
>> > course.
>> >
>> > This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal 
>> > storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in 
>> > order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and 
>> > apps, installed.  At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on a 
>> > computer.
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> > Behalf Of Craig Werner
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
>> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>> >
>> > It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  
>> > Why, then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB 
>> > of iPhone storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books 
>> > live on the device?
>> &

Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Craig Werner

Thanks for your reply, Alan.  Spurred by your calculations, and recalling
that the BARD app stored its content in the app under a previous iOS
version and a previous iPhone, I did some testing, and I discovered
something surprising:  even after downloading three more books, two of
which are over ten hours, the BARD app is reported as still taking up only
5.5 MB of storage.  However, the total number of bytes stored in the iPhone
rose by 300 MB.  Perhaps I should uninstall and reinstall the app, or
perhaps I should write the developers and ask why the app is behaving in
this way.  This odd behavior has me curious.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 7:38 PM Alan Lemly  wrote:

> Hi Craig,
>
> Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD
> Mobile is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of
> varying lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit
> less than 10MB in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space
> which would work out to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books
> are longer than 10 hours and the math seems to work.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.
>
> I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't
> assure that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in
> my question is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low
> storage content the same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is
> odd, I'm concluding that this is normal.  I have never before run into a
> situation where an app's downloaded files are not included in the app's
> storage area itself, and I wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in
> this way.  In the case of the Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for
> instance, I'm pretty sure the app's files are embedded where one might
> expect them.  Oh well, life is too short to ponder everything.  The bottom
> line is that the BARD app works very well overall, and I'm glad to have it.
>
> Craig
>
> On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > Hello Craig,
> >
> > You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear
> answer.
> > Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is
> > somewhat of a mystery to most of us.
> >
> > I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are
> > stored all across the storage device in the most efficient
> > configuration possible.  In short, I don't think the actual files live
> in any one place on the drive.
> > For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on
> > my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of
> > which are over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so
> > much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of
> course.
> >
> > This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal
> > storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in
> > order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and
> > apps, installed.  At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on
> a computer.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Craig Werner
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
> >
> > It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.
> > Why, then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB
> > of iPhone storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books
> > live on the device?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> > The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know
> > this, The books will play with airplane mode turned on.
> >
> > From: Robert Wright
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
> >
> > I don t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I
> > believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you
> > stream from.
> >
> > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
> &g

RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Alan Lemly

Hi Craig,

Under Settings, General, iPhone Storage, my iPhone 8 is reporting BARD Mobile 
is using 1.74GB. I've got 13 audiobooks loaded into BARD Mobile of varying 
lengths but if you consider that an hour of BARD audio is a bit less than 10MB 
in size, a book of 10 hours would use about 100MB of space which would work out 
to 1.3GB in my case. So I'm assuming some of my books are longer than 10 hours 
and the math seems to work.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 3:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.

I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer won't assure 
that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate, implicit in my question 
is another one: Is my experience about the BARD app's low storage content the 
same as other people's?  Since no one has said this is odd, I'm concluding that 
this is normal.  I have never before run into a situation where an app's 
downloaded files are not included in the app's storage area itself, and I 
wonder why the BARD folks made the app act in this way.  In the case of the 
Audible, Kindle, and iBooks apps, for instance, I'm pretty sure the app's files 
are embedded where one might expect them.  Oh well, life is too short to ponder 
everything.  The bottom line is that the BARD app works very well overall, and 
I'm glad to have it.

Craig

On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Craig,
>
> You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear answer.
> Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is 
> somewhat of a mystery to most of us.
>
> I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are 
> stored all across the storage device in the most efficient 
> configuration possible.  In short, I don't think the actual files live in any 
> one place on the drive.
> For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on 
> my 8 Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of 
> which are over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so 
> much default storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of 
> course.
>
> This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal 
> storage completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in 
> order to erase all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and 
> apps, installed.  At present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on a 
> computer.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  
> Why, then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB 
> of iPhone storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books 
> live on the device?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know 
> this, The books will play with airplane mode turned on.
>
> From: Robert Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> I don t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I 
> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you 
> stream from.
>
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
>  ***
>
> From: Craig Werner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
> I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to 
> "Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB 
> even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
> "Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of 
> storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?
>
> Thank you very much for all help.
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Craig Werner

Thank you, Mark, for jumping in.

I admit my question is prompted by curiosity.  Knowing the answer
won't assure that I will use the app more skillfully.  At any rate,
implicit in my question is another one: Is my experience about the
BARD app's low storage content the same as other people's?  Since no
one has said this is odd, I'm concluding that this is normal.  I have
never before run into a situation where an app's downloaded files are
not included in the app's storage area itself, and I wonder why the
BARD folks made the app act in this way.  In the case of the Audible,
Kindle, and iBooks apps, for instance, I'm pretty sure the app's files
are embedded where one might expect them.  Oh well, life is too short
to ponder everything.  The bottom line is that the BARD app works very
well overall, and I'm glad to have it.

Craig

On 9/26/18, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Craig,
>
> You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear answer.
> Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is somewhat of
> a mystery to most of us.
>
> I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are stored all
> across the storage device in the most efficient configuration possible.  In
> short, I don't think the actual files live in any one place on the drive.
> For example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on my 8
> Plus, it reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of which are
> over 72 hours of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so much default
> storage space for particular app; this is just a guess, of course.
>
> This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal storage
> completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in order to erase
> all of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and apps, installed.  At
> present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on a computer.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Craig Werner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  Why,
> then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB of iPhone
> storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books live on the
> device?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Craig
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
> The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know this,
> The books will play with airplane mode turned on.
>
> From: Robert Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I
> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream
> from.
>
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
>  ***
>
> From: Craig Werner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
> I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to
> "Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB
> even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
> "Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of
> storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?
>
> Thank you very much for all help.
>
> Craig
>
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RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread M. Taylor

Hello Craig,

You ask an interesting question to which, I think there is no clear answer.  
Apple employs its own file system that, for better or worse, is somewhat of a 
mystery to most of us.

I suspect that the various app data, such as books for BARD, are stored all 
across the storage device in the most efficient configuration possible.  In 
short, I don't think the actual files live in any one place on the drive.  For 
example, when I look at the amount of BARD storage space used on my 8 Plus, it 
reports 5.5GB; I have over 30 titles downloaded two of which are over 72 hours 
of audio, each.  Perhaps the OS reserves so much default storage space for 
particular app; this is just a guess, of course.

This is why I assert that if one truly wants to wipe the internal storage 
completely clean, the phone much be setup as a new device in order to erase all 
of the current data and fresh copies of the OS and apps, installed.  At 
present, one can only accomplish this via iTunes on a computer.

Mark





From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Craig Werner
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  Why, then, 
does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB of iPhone storage 
with two downloaded books?  Where do these books live on the device?

Thanks.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:
The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know this, The 
books will play with airplane mode turned on.
 
From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
 
I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I believe 
that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream from.
 
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
  ***
 
From: Craig Werner
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
 
Greetings to the list.
 
I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to
"Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB
even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
"Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of
storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?
 
Thank you very much for all help.
 
Craig
 
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Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Craig Werner

It seems certain the BARD books are downloaded to the iOS device.  Why,
then, does the BARD app still appear to be taking up only 5.5 MB of iPhone
storage with two downloaded books?  Where do these books live on the device?

Thanks.

Craig

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 9:59 AM Russ Kiehne  wrote:

> The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know this,
> The books will play with airplane mode turned on.
>
> *From:* Robert Wright
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
>
> I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I
> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream
> from.
>
>
>
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
> ***
>
>
>
> *From: *Craig Werner
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
> *To: *viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
>
>
>
> Greetings to the list.
>
>
>
> I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to
>
> "Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB
>
> even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
>
> "Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of
>
> storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?
>
>
>
> Thank you very much for all help.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-26 Thread Russ Kiehne

The books are downloaded to your ios device.  The reason I know this, The 
books will play with airplane mode turned on.

From: Robert Wright 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I believe 
that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream from.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
  ***

From: Craig Werner
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Greetings to the list.

I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to

"Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB

even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.

"Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of

storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?

Thank you very much for all help.

Craig

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Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-25 Thread Christopher Chaltain

Both the BARD Mobile documentation and the description in the App Store 
refer to downloading books to your iPhone.



* App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bard-mobile/id705229586?mt=8

* BARD Mobile user manual: 
https://nlsbard.loc.gov/apidocs/BARDMobile.userguide.iOS.1.0.html



On 09/25/2018 09:05 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I think it must download, because you can play bard books when you do 
not have any kind of connection. If it was streaming from somewhere, 
that shouldn’t be possible.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2018, at 7:03 PM, Robert Wright > wrote:


    I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. 
I believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that 
you stream from.


character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for 
you! 
 
***


*From: *Craig Werner 
*Sent: *Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
*To: *viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject: *Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Greetings to the list.

I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to

"Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB

even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.

"Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of

storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?

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Re: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-25 Thread Mary Otten

I think it must download, because you can play bard books when you do not have 
any kind of connection. If it was streaming from somewhere, that shouldn’t be 
possible.
Mary


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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 7:03 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:
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> I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I 
> believe that there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream 
> from.
>  
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
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> From: Craig Werner
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
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> Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?
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> Greetings to the list.
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> I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to
> "Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB
> even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
> "Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of
> storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?
>  
> Thank you very much for all help.
>  
> Craig
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RE: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

2018-09-25 Thread Robert Wright

I don’t think it actually downloads to your iDevice. I believe that 
there may be a sort of temporary cloud storage that you stream from.

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!  
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From: Craig Werner
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 9:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Where Does the BARD App Store Its Downloads?

Greetings to the list.

I am using the BARD app on iOS 11.4.1, and I notice that when I go to
"Settings -> General -> iPhone Usage," the BARD app fills only 5.5MB
even though two relatively full-length books have been dowloaded.
"Documents and Data" under the app take up only a few kilobytes of
storage.  Where on the iPhone are my two books kept?

Thank you very much for all help.

Craig

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