Re: [Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No 468

In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:37 +0300: Hi, [snip] >Now he has shown how you can make and not make contracts >and agreements in the same time.. ...sounds like quantum contract! :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Researcher Preparing Prototype Cars Powered by Heavy-Metal Thorium

In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT): Hi, [snip] >  >I found this link on the Cold Fusion Times website. >What powers the laser that heats the thorium? Is this a parody? >Harry >  >http://wardsauto.com/ar/thorium_power_car_110811/"A U.S. company says it is >

Re: [Vo]:Best Catalytic Fit?

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:39:52 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Potassium is perhaps the most mentioned candidate in the papers, but the >first two IP electrons are at 4.34 and 31.63 eV. What this means >essentially is that the hole only appears when the K(2+) ion takes back the

Re: [Vo]:Best Catalytic Fit?

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:11:24 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Correction. > >Value for strontium is wrong. Thanks Rob. > >Looks like Moly is the best. The best fit has to be Hydrogen itself, which is exact. However that said, it should in reality depend on the temperature, bec

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 04:41 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That's 11 litres or 3 Gallons. I think he'd have noticed that. Lewan found about half the water ended up in the bucket. He noticed it, in other words, he measured it. Unfortunately, he did not examine it closely enough. It would have been far

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Hmm. Not all Arabs are Muslims... In my city, most of them are catholic Christians and there are almost no Muslims. 2011/8/17 Alan J Fletcher > At 04:41 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > >> I'll take on your bet that a 5% Dry fully-atomized stream is possible. >>> One pint of beer/glas

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 04:41 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll take on your bet that a 5% Dry fully-atomized stream is possible. One pint of beer/glass of wine ? I don't drink alcohol. Read the name. My apologies. Equivalent value, then ... say $5. Means of delivery to be determined.

[Vo]:Fw: [jlnlabs] Fw: Wireless Tesla Coil Demonstration

Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Harvey Norris wrote: From: Harvey Norris Subject: [jlnlabs] Fw: Wireless Tesla Coil Demonstration To: "Heinz" Cc: jlnl...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011,

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Whatever the quality of the steam produced is, as far as I can see, going to go over into the hose unchanged. There is no facility in Rossi's device for superheating as far as we know. - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 05:09 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: I don't think so. The quality can be anything from 0 to 1 but it is likely to be very wet. There is no diagram that can tell you the quality as is insinuated in the Nasa article. Chimney overflowing with what? Overflowing with fluid, liquid water.

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > > >Actually, that's not correct. Lewan apparently said that he noticed the same >behavior with the sound each time he went to look at the steam outlet. >   Where did he say that? That is news to me. I am not even aware of Lewan commenting on the scene in his own vid

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

I don't think so. The quality can be anything from 0 to 1 but it is likely to be very wet. There is no diagram that can tell you the quality as is insinuated in the Nasa article. Chimney overflowing with what? - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > No one measured the velocity as far as I know. There were some videos taken >> of it, but they do not prove anything. >> > > To anyone who has studied the volume of steam expected from full > vaporization as claimed, those videos raise substantial suspicion that the

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 04:11 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: The NASA calculations seem to have no validity. It dosen't seem possible to pin down the quality. There is not enough information to do so. That's my whole point. There IS enough information. In fact, the temperatures and pressure don't matter. The inpu

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 05:05 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: What was really unusual for the Rossi "boiler," what threw almost everyone off, was constant water flow. The implications of this were not realized, because it was something that even experts had probably never seen. And Galantini was certainly not

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 04:51 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: A new version is up : http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410B.php I've rewritten it distinguishing FLUID from LIQUID, and replaced Watts by "W". And I found a new diagram for the Drypout, which is explicitly scaled to the flow pattern diagram:

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

No matter what how you thought the plumes compared this does not give an absolute means of determining quality, its only relative. BTW no such shoddily constructed boiler such as Rossi's is going to give dry steam. These 90-95% numbers I've been seeing thrown about are for very well designed bo

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

No matter what how you thought the plumes compared this does not give an absolute means of determining quality, its only relative. BTW no such shoddily constructed boiler such as Rossi's is going to give dry steam. These 90-95% numbers I've been seeing thrown about are for very well designed bo

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 03:57 PM 8/17/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Joe Catania wrote: How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? No one measured the velocity as far as I know. There were some videos taken of it, but they do not prove anything. To anyone who has studied the volume of steam expe

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 03:49 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: One thing I think we have to admit is even if the steam flow rate is at the calculated ~10m/sec necessary (which dosen't appear to be the case), at the outlet of the E-Cat, that this would probably be sufficient to entrain high quantities of liquid wate

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Why should I believe anomalous heat is being produced if I don't believe in Rossi's measurements? A good eyeball estimate would seem to be good enough in this case, i.e. its obvious. One does not need to measure the kindling point of paper to know if it has in fact been reached. The point to thi

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

The NASA calculations seem to have no validity. It dosen't seem possible to pin down the quality. There is not enough information to do so. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Answering Kriv

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 02:36 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point at which there is no liquid water on the tube wall. There IS still liquid water in the form of droplets in the vapour. I made a mistake in responding to Mr. Fletcher's work, I didn't actu

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > People are obsessed with meaningless extra decimal digits of precision these > days. After electronic calculators were invented, my mother said it is a > shame people don't learn to use slide rules anymore, because they don't > realize that 3

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Alan J Fletcher wrote: If you mean my numbers -- Given 75% dry I just read off the wattage on the > Nasa diagram. Steam quality on the T-h diagram is linear between points B > and C. I grew up with REAL instruments, where one learns to read a scale to > about 5% accuracy between tick marks. > Am

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Best Catalytic Fit?

Jones, Mill's also promotes that fractional hydrogen can be self catalyzing - I think there is a mechanism where fractional molecules can migrate between different Casimir geometries but still maintain the same fractional state at which they formed, This is the same posit I have named pr

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Joe Catania wrote: The Rossi machine, judging from what comes out of the hose is not producing any anomalous heat. You cannot judge what comes out of the hose. You have not measured it; not the speed, or the temperature, the dryness or any other parameter. You know practically nothing about

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Alan, i am not sure what was the method that you used to end up into 4.4 kW. But there was that youtube video where it was boiled 4.4kW water with Rossi like setup. And there was considerably more steam than with Krivit's E-Cat. Also it is easier to calculate the total output of E-Cat calculating

RE: [Vo]:Best Catalytic Fit?

Correction. Value for strontium is wrong. Thanks Rob. Looks like Moly is the best. I am wondering about how Mills would account for alloys. If the two elements can average their IP somehow, then it might be possible to nail the value closely. Variance

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 12:43 PM 8/17/2011, you wrote: At 02:36 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:05 AM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll answer your points in detail later. As I said, it's a work in progress. But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point at which there is no liquid

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

A new version is up : http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410B.php I've rewritten it distinguishing FLUID from LIQUID, and replaced Watts by "W". And I found a new diagram for the Drypout, which is explicitly scaled to the flow pattern diagram: http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/110816_steam_

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

The Rossi machine, judging from what comes out of the hose is not producing any anomalous heat. My point is (again) if the steam flow rate is ~10 m/sec (as it must be from calculations to give stated anomalous heat) it would be able to entrain some water. Whether the flow rate has actually been

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

The Rossi machine, judging from what comes out of the hose is not producing any anomalous heat. My point is (again) if the steam flow rate is ~10 m/sec (as it must be from calculations to give stated anomalous heat) it would be able to entrain some water. Whether the flow rate has actually been

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

re concise, pointed emphasis on specifics, very objective, by Abd -- thanks anyone yet trying a "dummy" replication of the Rossi device by using an electric, pencil-shape resistor heater in a clear glass tube with fixed input water flow? Peter Gluck and others are talking up Francesco Pianelli:

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 12:26 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? This surely damns 75% dryness? I'm not convinced that has been proved. Please post a link which covers Kettle & Tube boilers and Dryout . Kettle isn't very relevant to the eCat. Follow the W

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Joe Catania wrote: How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? No one measured the velocity as far as I know. There were some videos taken of it, but they do not prove anything. I recently borrowed a steam cleaner trying to fix bathroom grout. I looked at videos of other

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

One thing I think we have to admit is even if the steam flow rate is at the calculated ~10m/sec necessary (which dosen't appear to be the case), at the outlet of the E-Cat, that this would probably be sufficient to entrain high quantities of liquid water in the outflow. - Original Message --

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 02:36 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:05 AM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll answer your points in detail later. As I said, it's a work in progress. But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point at which there is no liquid water on the tube wall. There IS s

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? This surely damns 75% dryness? Please post a link which covers Kettle & Tube boilers and Dryout . - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subjec

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? This surely damns 75% dryness? Please post a link which covers Kettle & Tube boilers and Dryout . - Original Message - From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:30 PM Subjec

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 12:11 PM 8/17/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: BTW, I think Krivit won't accept anything you write. He wants just negative opinions about Rossi. Maybe not but Rossi might !! (and I have another publication channel).

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

BTW, I think Krivit won't accept anything you write. He wants just negative opinions about Rossi.

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

It is 80W per meter. This calculation supports that: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3709appendixa4.shtml So, let's see 740*6=4400. So, 3/4*4400 = 3300.

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 11:18 AM 8/17/2011, you wrote: I have some corrections though. In one of the appendices, I have to find where, the loss in a 4m hose is about 400W. Rossi said that the ecat wastes 100W within the bulk of the device. So, the actual output is 3/4*(4900-500)= 3300W. I suppose there are also was

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 11:05 AM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll answer your points in detail later. As I said, it's a work in progress. But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point at which there is no liquid water on the tube wall. There IS still liquid water in the form of droplets in t

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Daniel Rocha wrote: > I suppose there are also wasted energy to manage the operate the device. You mean, to power the electronics. I believe this is ~30 W. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

I have some corrections though. In one of the appendices, I have to find where, the loss in a 4m hose is about 400W. Rossi said that the ecat wastes 100W within the bulk of the device. So, the actual output is 3/4*(4900-500)= 3300W. I suppose there are also wasted energy to manage the operate the d

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410A.php > (Working Draft) > The hidden portion of the URL is wrong. This should be: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410A.php (looks the same but isn't) - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

At 12:30 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410A.php (Working Draft) Comments and corrections appreciated -- either through vortex or directly Abstract The issue of Steam Quality greatly impacts the calculations on the actual excess energy. This

Re: [Vo]:two publications on my Blog

Yes, Roy's paper was quoted in my posting of yesterday. It emphasizes very important things. Peter On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Another article on Piantelli (although most is already known): > > > http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/roy-virgilio-on-piantelli-

Re: [Vo]:two publications on my Blog

Another article on Piantelli (although most is already known): http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/2011/08/16/roy-virgilio-on-piantelli-plus-the-2008-piantelli-hypothesis/ T

[Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410A.php (Working Draft) Comments and corrections appreciated -- either through vortex or directly AbstractThe issue of Steam Quality greatly impacts the calculations on the actual excess energy. This issue is extensively analyzed by Steven B. Krivit in

[Vo]:Best Catalytic Fit?

Recently, an experimenter asked for the identity of the best "fit" in the periodic table for the catalytic "energy hole" at 2Ry = 27.2 eV based on CQM theory. I dug up an unanswered post from the HSG days. It may need revision. Anyone who reads the BLP experiments can recite the 'usual suspects'

[Vo]:two publications on my Blog

Dear Friends and colleagues, Being old and restless, I have again published two new writings at my blog. I will ask you to read the first, with understanding and empathy (for the subject and for me)- it is the third paper about Prof Piantelli showing how he applies the Scientific Experimental Meth