Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, in short, several teachers (with of course valid degrees and expertise in several areas relevant to this kind of experiment) from the Leopoldo Pirelli industrial high school in Rome with the involvement of some of their students,

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-23 Thread fznidarsic
When I was a teenager I tried to burn some brush with gasoline. I added some gas, It did not lite. I added more, same thing. More then, K-boom, but not in the brush pile but rather in a dip 15 feet away from the brush pile. The fumes, heaver than are went into the dip. Lesson learned the

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-04-23 15:25, Jed Rothwell wrote: A Mizuno electrolytic cell with powder? Not sure what that means. Do you mean the gas loaded cell? An Arata cell perhaps? It is not really clear yet as complete details haven't been provided yet. Here's an excerpt from the email to 22passi by the

RE: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-23 Thread Jones Beene
Curious side note on some of our mistaken assumptions on ignition and combustion. (oxygen free) Did you know that CO2 can be a useful oxidizer? There are actually a few chemicals that will burn quite violently in CO2. The main one is silane - which is a molecule like methane but with

RE: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jones Beene
It is probably plasma electrolysis (aka glow discharge electrolysis) Here is Naudin's replication of Mizuno and Ohmori http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/html/cfrdatas.htm It would be interesting to know if the nanopowder was added to water as a colloid -Original Message- From: Akira

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2012-04-23 Thread Peter Gluck
My dear Friends, Ed Storms' CF Students Guide is discussed intensely in more threads on the Web and it is difficult to join these specialized lines of communication. Therefore I have published my ideas inspired and open questions caused by this opus, here:

RE: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-23 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I’m not sure if this is outdated knowledge, but in order for the liquid fuel to ‘burn’ in the combustion chamber (CC) of an ICE, it must have oxygen attached. One major function of a carburetor is to mix the liquid droplets with O2 from the air. The problem is that the liquid fuel (regardless

RE: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jones Beene
To recap the analysis (tired pun based on the Pirelli name) ... these school kids could get a lot of mileage out of a well-conceived experiment. As to the point that this cannot be both a fluidized bed reactor, if it is using gas supported nanopowder and at the same time be a true electrolysis

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-23 Thread LORENHEYER
Now, all we need to do in-order to get to Mars quickly, so we can colonize or occupy it, would be to dramatically increase our consumption of coal, oil, diesel, gas, right here on Earth,,, thus turning human-compatable atmosphere into that of Mars,,, thus saving the cost and rather lengthy

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
More information: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/cold-fusion-in-italian-high-school/ This is linked to a slide show: http://roma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/04/19/foto/il_reattore_costruito_dagli_studenti-33583028/1/ Auto-translate link:

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
The slide show is nifty. It looks like professional grade equipment to me. I told John Dash about this. I expect he will be gratified. I hope these kids really have 400% excess heat, as claimed. It would be a laugh and a half if they succeed so spectacularly in an experiment that the DoE and so

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Details about power levels or the materials used haven't been provided yet (will be soon), but I personally don't expect anything more than milliwatt-range excess heat. I think that with powder, if you get any heat it is usually more than this. If it is 400% excess, as claimed,

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2012-04-23 Thread pagnucco
Peter, Good post. I have also read your 1992 paper several times. It prompts a few questions: - Do you think the bursty nature of LENR phenomena is due to rapid self-propagating fractal fissure formation on surfaces, perhaps, accelerated by ultrasound or e-m energy? - Do you think surface

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-04-23 20:38, Jed Rothwell wrote: If it is 400% excess, as claimed, it has to be more than milliwatt-range excess heat. Look at the slides of the equipment, meters and power supplies. I do not think it is likely they are inputting ~100 mW and getting out ~400 mW. I doubt they could

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: I hope it is as you say. However, subtle wording details in the original letter sent to 22passi by eng. Ugo Abundo make it look like they don't have clear-cut experimental data . . . It wouldn't surprise me if they don't. I'm being

Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote: Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years, you cannot contain” Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than released at Chernobyl — “It would destroy the world environment and our civilization…

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2012-04-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Lou, Thank you! My 1992 paper was written when I knew only about Pd-D cold fusion so I have to answer considering what we/I know today and this complicates a bit the things - we have two kinds of systems, two lines of research and many modes of trigger LENR as the Guide shows it. Raw answers

RE: [Vo]:Was Ignition; now Mars

2012-04-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
The Martians may not take kindly to that. Frank Lloyd Wright inspired house: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Structures/Diamond_00 1b.png Other bizarrities: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_26.html

Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher wrote: The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE, Research Associate at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University. Koide is a long-standing outspoken opponent of nuclear power. People paid no attention to him before the accident. I saw one of

RE: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Mark Goldes
Arnie Gunderson, an expert on these matters, suggests smaller cranes be used to lower the fuel rods to the ground on an urgent basis. Senator Wyden has urged our government to push hard for the Japanese to greatly accelerate the present, totally inadequate, effort. I've provided some

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Michele Comitini
As Akira already stated the wording is not very clear even for Italian speakers. I share same feelings as Akira on the success of further testing. I think the most important question, as always in this field, is about reproducibility, but Eng. Abundo, seems quite clear about this and says that

RE: [Vo]:Was Ignition; now Mars

2012-04-23 Thread Robert Lynn
One of best rocket fuel combinations for Mars is actually carbon monoxide and oxygen made directly from the Martian atmosphere using a solar or nuclear heat source. It gives an exhaust velocity of about 2700m/s (about the same as an old Saturn F1 at sea level) which is good enough for a rocket to

Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Looking at the news commentary and Sunday Morning talk shows in Japan, it is stunning how sharply public opinion has turned against nuclear power. The government is struggling to persuade local politicians and community groups to allow some of the ~50 shuttered reactors to reopen. Small town

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: The patent idea to protect further open source development with this setup is just wonderful. I agree! If this works it will send a strong message to Rossi that he should stop sitting around hatching one scheme after another. He should get serious, file patents,

Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare

2012-04-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
someone make an article to debunk some exagerations http://djysrv.blogspot.fr/2012/04/argh-debunking-some-nuclear-nonsense.html 2012/4/23 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote: Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years, you

RE: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-23 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
The Roll Royce RR300 produces 300 HP with 1.1 megawatts of heating power, so 45 megawatts would be more than 13,500 HP. Assuming 10 lbf lift per horsepower ( true for a helicopter, the giant A400M lifts 7 lbf/HP ), the aircraft could weigh 135,000 pounds or 67 tons. From:

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I love this! It is a feel-good story. It is wonderful to see young people doing this. As I said, even if they turn out to be wrong . . . hey, no big deal, good job, keep trying. If anyone should be allowed to make an experimental error it is a high school kid. I hope the claims are confirmed

[Vo]:Hot fusion crowd trying to justify continued funding...

2012-04-23 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Wouldn't you know it. Princeton's Plasma Fusion Lab is trying to hang on to funding. Physicists see solution to critical barrier to fusion http://phys.org/news/2012-04-physicists-solution-critical-barrier-fusion.htm l An in-depth analysis by scientists from the U.S. Department of

[Vo]:Lets go to Venus

2012-04-23 Thread Harry Veeder
Mars gets all attention, but Venus is actually more hospitable in the clouds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus Despite the harsh conditions on the surface, the atmospheric pressure and temperature at about 50 km to 65 km above the surface of the planet is nearly the same as that

Re: [Vo]:Lets go to Venus

2012-04-23 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtmZ-P2KWc Harry On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:25 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Mars gets all attention, but Venus is actually more hospitable in the clouds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus Despite the harsh conditions on the

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is definitely an Ohmori-Mizuno style glow discharge experiment. I heard from one of the authors. It employs confined free powders of tungsten in a reaction chamber by natural convection with a plasma between the powder and an anode jacketed by a porous sintered borosilicate glass filter.

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-04-24 02:46, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is definitely an Ohmori-Mizuno style glow discharge experiment. I heard from one of the authors. [...] Do you mean directly from one of the authors from the L.Pirelli institute? That's great if yes, I guess we will have more reliable information

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Do you mean directly from one of the authors from the L.Pirelli institute? Yup. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Was Ignition; now Mars

2012-04-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:59:06 +0100: Hi, [snip] Silane also requires hydrogen to make (apart from silicon) that is only available in trace quantities in the Martian atmosphere (.03% Water) [snip] There is probably plenty of water ice in the ground though. Regards,

Re: [Vo]:Hot fusion crowd trying to justify continued funding...

2012-04-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 3:45 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: “An in-depth analysis by scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy's Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory (PPPL) zeroed in on tiny, bubble-like islands that appear in the hot, charged gases—or plasmas—during