RE: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Roger- I agree with your timely addition regarding “science” excluding different thinking. I would note that Hagelstein’s editorial cited below uses the term “science community” instead of your term “science” to designate the social entity which excludes different thinking. The following

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
A follow-up posting by me: Cold fusion is not unique. There are many, many examples of previous claims that were rejected even though the proof was rock solid, and there was no reason to doubt the claims. Lasers, the MRI and h. pylori are good examples. I have studied much of this history,

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread Adrian Ashfield
Jed, I have never stated nor thought that everything Rossi has said or done should be accepted without question. So you are making that up. I think there is significant evidence that some of his E-Cats worked & suggested several times it would be better to wait and see than dismiss

RE: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Dave Roberson
Robin, I guess I do not understand how many far away objects would get information about the conversion that takes place. If the mass equivalent remains the same and its center also is conserved then what is different? Of course the photons would interact differently than the two particles

Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Esa Ruoho
Speaking of Mills - have you guys seen this Cold Fusion Now -produced documentary "Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems Melvin Miles The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium" - the link is at https://youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4 Also, maybe you'd find this Edmund Storms documentary (also

Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread mixent
In reply to Dave Roberson's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:17:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I realize that mass and energy are two different forms of existence, but >should we expect the remainder of the universe to know this has happened other >than by the interactions between the two objects before

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Adrian Ashfield wrote: Jed, I find your comment rather ironic considering your dismissal of > everything that Rossi has done. You imply that I must accept all new claims without question. That would be as irrational as rejecting all of them out of hand. You imply that

RE: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Dave Roberson
Philippe, If you choose a frame of reference that is stationary to the center of mass of the two particles, which is at rest relative to them, then there can be very little motion associated with the two. When the conversion to energy takes place two photons are released exactly in opposite

Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Philippe Hatt
Dave, This is absolutely true and not challenged at all. My point is not that one ,it is about physical modification of mass into energy .Mathematically mass and energy are related through Einstein's equation .Nevertheless mass is physically different from energy .Also the speed of the two

RE: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Dave Roberson
Is it not true that the mass is conserved when an electron and positron combine and two photons emerge? The total mass-energy is the same. Dave Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Philippe Hatt Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:09 AM To: Jürg Wyttenbach Cc: bobcook39...@hotmail.com;

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread Adrian Ashfield
So far so good, said the man after jumping off the top of a skyscraper. Why do you suppose Rossi is building a factory? -Original Message- From: Brian Ahern To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jan 25, 2018 7:25 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Science does

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread Brian Ahern
Dismissal is to kind a word. Rossi should ave been prosecuted. How did that October demo go? I think my 31st Rossi prediction held. I am 31 - 0 since 2009. From: Adrian Ashfield Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 6:10 PM To:

Re: [Vo]:Science does sometimes reject valid discoveries

2018-01-25 Thread ROGER ANDERTON
>There are countless examples of "science" excluding different thinking. This >is what prompted Max Planck to write that progress in science occurs "funeral >by funeral." He explained: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by >convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but

Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

2018-01-25 Thread Philippe Hatt
Dear Jürg, Thank you for your answer. On antimass :I fully agree with what you say .For me antimass is not negative mass ,but positive mass leaving our space time and creating as a consequence a hole of mass .This is what happens between electron and positron when collapsing to yield two