Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:14 PM 10/6/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Rest to Active metabolism is 8X OK .. to allow breathing room ... take 461/8 = 57 liters. My original document said 50 kJ/day rest. http://www.pnas.org/content/87/6/2324.full.pdf Sustained metabolic scope for mice (mus musculus -- house mouse) is

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:44 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Ok now try to squeeze these mice in the smallest possible space and assume the tails can be placed between the mice requiring no extra space in the volume in a L*B*H box. This results in (10 * 8.5 cm) * (30 x 3 cm) * (20 x 3 cm) + (1 * 8.5 cm) *(1 *

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:58 PM 10/6/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: As a cross-check, their density is very close to that of water.  That gives 142 liters -- which has to fit in the 90 L fatcat. But my 50 kJ/day was for RESTING metabolism. They only have to do it for 4 hours. What's the ACTIVE metabolism?  100

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:44 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Mice reach a head-body-length ranging between 4.5 upto 12.5 cm, added is a 3 upto 11 cm long tail. The weight, sofar known, is between 12 and 35 grams. Lets assume an average length of 8.5 cm with a 7 cm long tail and a diameter of 3 cm and an aver

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:11 PM 10/6/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: You did not specify per hour. I agree with your per hour calc. Gee .. I should have specified kWh/h !!

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:26 PM 10/6/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > The fatcat produced 12,500 kJ 50.4 MJ I calculated 12,500 kJ in one hour (copy of excel cells -- so excuse the formatting) temp 5 A cu m/hr 0.6 m3 to kg 1000 kg/hr 600 B kJ/kG 4.187 C kJ

Re: [Vo]:Practical limits of chemical storage in Rossi reactor

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:35 PM 10/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher has done much more detailed and exhaustive analyses of this issue, but I think the one I just wrote here is more realistic. http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_frames_v401.php I've added the October experiment to my tables. So far I'

Re: [Vo]: eCat mouse-metabolism equivalent

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:29 PM 10/6/2011, Man on Bridges wrote: Hi, On 6-10-2011 23:19, Alan J Fletcher wrote: You're right ... but did they make sure that hordes of mice aren't peeing into the water flow? Here's a chart of mouse body-temperature fluctuations, which you'd better take

Re: [Vo]:Raymond Zreick tweets translated by Google

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:08 PM 10/6/2011, Rich Murray wrote: 5 deg rise in water from input to output thermister -- need to disconfirm the possibility of a small local heater hidden within the thermister... Rich Murray [ never a "pathological skeptic"... -- merely pragmatic ] You're right ... but did they make su

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:42 PM 10/6/2011, vorl bek wrote: Rossi was touting the ecats as putting out 6kw or more each. Now we are down to .875kw. It sounds like this whole ecat OU business is no more than a fantasy. (.875 + 0) / 0 = ..? This test was probably limited by the water flow and heat exchan

Re: [Vo]: Passerini's gone home

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Passerini : 22passi Daniele Passerini Torno a casa! Bellissima giornata, veramente da incorniciare. Grazie a tutti e alla prossima 22passi Daniele Passerini I get home! Beautiful day, very suitable for framing. Thanks to all and the next

Re: [Vo]:Handy online energy converter

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:38 AM 10/6/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: That's no good ... it doesn't convert kWh to Hartrees !!! May bad ... it was scrolled off the bottom of the list!

Re: [Vo]:Handy online energy converter

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:31 AM 10/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: This one has more units than others I have seen, and it is easier to use: http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/units-converter/energy/c/ - Jed That's no good ... it doesn't convert kWh to Hartrees !!! Convert kilowatt-hour to Hartrees ( kWh to Ha ) < htt

Re: [Vo]:Stop fretting about stored heat!

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:22 AM 10/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I advised them not to turn off the calorimetry after the cold fusion reaction is quenched. I suggested they leave the calorimetry running until the cell reaches room temperature and inlet equals the outlet temperature. That should take about 20 min. I

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
22passi Daniele Passerini At 19:00, after 4 hours in continuous self-sustaining mode, the reaction has been interrupted as planned... 3 minutes ago Favorite Gee .. I thought they were going for 12+ hours. 22passi Daniele Passerini ...the end of the operations is planned for 00:00. 3 minutes ag

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:28 AM 10/6/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher <a...@well.com> wrote:   I make it not quite an HOUR : 22passi Daniele Passerini the E-Cat goes on in autosustaining 51 minutes ago Did you auto-translate that somewhere? The Google version says 4 hours, as does the or

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:19 AM 10/6/2011, Craig Haynie wrote: I've been reading Passerini's tweets, and it looks like this eCat has been running in self-sustained mode for about 4 hours now. https://twitter.com/#!/22passi I make it not quite an HOUR : 22passi Daniele Passerini the E-Cat goes on in autosustaining

Re: [Vo]:Re: July 7th E-Cat test report

2011-10-06 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:10 AM 10/6/2011, Mattia Rizzi wrote: And we have a university professor that measure Energy with Kwh/h intead of kWh. per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilowatt_hour, that's most likely kWh/Heat -- but doesn't explain the "Kw" instead of "kW"

Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:08 PM 10/1/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: From: BUSHNELL Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 06:55:10 -0500 To: Steven Krivit Subject: Request Put in your Blog. My "well done" remark referred to the accuracy of your reporting of my quotes from the GRC meeting. Period. Was not referring to the veracit

Re: [Vo]:No such thing as a perfect test, but this is shaping up to be pretty good

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:57 PM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Regarding the October 6 test of the Russi device: The controversy will not end tomorrow. Not in this discussion group and certainly not in the mass media. Irrational skeptics will not be convinced. I mean people such as Rich Murray, Robert Park, and th

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:29 PM 10/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: The observers should take a thermal imaging camera. That would quickly reveal any sign of preheating. Harry And any exhaust from combustion or a heat-pump. Both way down in the probabilities, but worth doing. Also, Lewan / April : To safely exclude

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:55 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher <a...@well.com> wrote:   Looks like I goofed ... it's now listing 90 liters, so my volume and times are 3* off : back to the source-code   Your calculations should take into account the fact that people will look

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:48 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess) Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs Diesel/Air : 459 hrs Boron/Air : 1697 hrs Hmmm ... I forgot to

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_v401.php#fakesbyvolume For Lewan's Fat-Cat test (2kW excess) Compressed Hydrogen/Air : 69 hrs Diesel/Air : 459 hrs Boron/Air : 1697 hrs Hmmm ... I forgot to print the total fat-ecat volume in the doc

Re: [Vo]:Energy will be worth nothing in the future

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:26 AM 10/5/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: Since the price of practically everything depends to a greter or lesser degree on the cost of energy, the price of fresh fruit and vegetables will drop. Economic policy will focus on deflation mangement instead of inflation mangement. Desalination/Cl

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:59 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Better NOT do it that way. I just told them: "The secondary cooling loop should be started before the Rossi device is turned on. You should confirm that the inlet and outlet temperatures are the same. In other words confirm that the inlet and outlet

Re: [Vo]:prediction for the Oct 6 Fat Cat demo

2011-10-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:40 AM 10/5/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: As far as I know it never takes more than 10 or 20 minutes. No one has ever reported that takes longer than this. The test will be at least 12 hours so warm up time is irrelevant. No form of stored chemical energy can power a device of this size at that

Re: [Vo]:Russian Roulette, Murphy, and Independent Events

2011-10-03 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Did the Russians ever play Russian roulette? http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1353/did-the-russians-ever-play-russian-roulette Should you use 1/6 or 5/6 (or 6/7) ?

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th (NOT)

2011-09-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
There's a full statement & explanation by Brian Josephson at http://pesn.com/2011/09/26/9501920_NobelPrize_Laureate_to_Test_Cold_Fusion_E-Cat/ Dear Sterling, The article isn't correct actually. What happened was that I received an invitation from Levi giving details of what was planned, inclu

Re: [Vo]:Regarding Rossi and NASA (+ some Piantelli news)

2011-09-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:26 AM 9/30/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: So, Dennis Bushnell is Krivit's acolyte? Received via e-mail: “Well done, as usual. Look forward to your reporting of the upcoming Rossi tests.” Dennis Bushnell luke (luca) says: September 30, 2011 at 14:12 Dr. Bushnell you are going on the record

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

2011-09-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Statistical "blunder" ? http://johncostella.webs.com/neutrino-blunder.pdf From the above, the OPERA result becomes 61 ns with a statistical uncertainty of 24 ns and a systematic uncertainty of 7 ns. Even if we were to take the systematic uncertainty to be accurate, this result is now within tw

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

2011-09-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:45 PM 9/22/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/22/scitech/main20110236.shtml Now that the Higgs doesn't exist they're free to do whatever they want. CERN: Higgs boson 'God particle' likely does not exist

Re: [Vo]: Rossi sells home to finance demo

2011-09-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:26 PM 9/22/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: Lewan couldn't use it? I can't find his statement that he measured the outflow through the T-trap. I don't THINK I imagined it

Re: [Vo]: Rossi sells home to finance demo

2011-09-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:18 PM 9/22/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: Fit a transparent silicone rubber hose to this steam outlet, so we can see the water overflow and remove all doubts. He sort-of did this for Lewan's September demo. The white section at the outlet has a transparent T-connection. (Video 4:22). Lewan

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-21 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:19 AM 9/21/2011, Joe Catania wrote: The constriction dosen't necessarily matter as flow will tend to spped up when constricted. So you agree that there's no significant extra pressure? Mats Lewan told me that his video cut off prematurely, but he thinks the total draining time was about 3 m

RE: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:31 PM 9/20/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Alan wrote: “We can't see inside the tap (or know what type it is), or if it's only partly open…”   By the looks of the orange handle on the valve, I’d say that this is the type of valve that uses only a 90degree turn of the handle to go from f

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:19 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: Have it your way. We can't see inside the tap (or know what type it is), or if it's only partly open  -- it is probably more constricted than the outlet. Still there is little pressure necessary. I put up the full table at : http://lenr.qumbu.com/ross

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:00 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: But look at the size of the orifice in the video. http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/110920_sept_0007.jpg http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/110920_sept_0009.jpg 1cm diameter, maximum.

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 03:36 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: BTW you should run those time-to-drain numbers again. The outlet looks like its about 2cm in diameter. The sound seems to be mostly water impacting on the side of the pail. Tank height 25 Radius 0.20Time 1 Bar 44.94 minTime 2 Bar 3.52 min Radius 0.30Time

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:33 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: Clearly your calculations are a bit off. The running time on video is more like 1:20, still greater than drain time for 2 atm, showing there is less than 2atm pressure. But since we don't know for how long the draining continues we dont know how much less

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:56 PM 9/20/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 02:33 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_f.php I seem to have broken my file ... back soon! It's back ... I added a table of draining time vs tap radius, and corrected the video time. I'm sti

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:33 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_f.php I seem to have broken my file ... back soon!

Re: [Vo]:stopping

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:24 PM 9/20/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: I have just lost about 50% (left side) of my left eye. It may be a retinal detachment. It seems to be coming back. I may not respond for a bit. Sorry to hear that good luck!

Re: [Vo]:Calculations for 1 MW plant. + Time to Drain the eCat

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:49 PM 9/20/2011, Joe Catania wrote: The point is that a gallon empties very quickly even though not vented at the top. The sound it makes is immaterial and is most like caused by the water hitting the barrel. I don't know why you feel the water is under inordinate pressure. The E-CAt is ope

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-20 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:41 AM 9/20/2011, Michele Comitini wrote: About multiple e-kittens in a box, question 2) from the exchange below on JONP: Alessandro Casali The 27MW e-cats are single core or do they have multiple cores? Andrea Rossi 2- multiple I missed that one! Now I really, really don't know how to ge

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam : New version

2011-09-19 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've updated my Sept ecat  analysis http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_e.php No radical new conclusions, but I shifted the analysis point from 130C to 118C, when the output fluid measurement was made, and interleaved the calculations with the explanatory text. (And the pressure calculations

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-19 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:52 PM 9/18/2011, Colin Hercus wrote: Woops, sorry Alan. I should be more careful. Good grief ... no problem!! The "superheater chamber" idea was directly from Lewan's report (and the literature).. All I added was direct overflow (which may or may not be true).

Re: [Vo]:130C steam : Lotsa Rossi Updates, Running out of Cash?

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:22 PM 9/16/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: Possibly he will not create overpressure in the 1MW system. We dont know. Only Rossi knows. So if you have the guts and go into this big 1 MW box under full operation then your health and live is subject to god's grace and Rossis skills if something une

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:26 PM 9/16/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I still think that the 2-chamber design explains more than the 1-chamber 3-bar design.  The core could easily be engineered with a water-efficient heat exchanger in one chamber, and a steam-efficient heat exchanger in the other. From Lewan's r

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam : Pressure drop

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:13 PM 9/16/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I'm still looking for the 'orifice' needed to create 3 Bar internal pressure. Napier's formula (accurate to about 3%) for steam going through an orifice in a flat plate, to atmospheric pressure. W = p * a / 70 Where W i

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam : Pressure drop

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:26 PM 9/16/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: To maintain an internal pressure of 3 Bar (needed for 130C) you'd need a pretty small orifice : less than 1/32 inch ?. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/steam-flow-orifices-d_1158.html (Unfortunately, that's in engineering units .. I

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:45 AM 9/16/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Still I find it baffling why there was no bump in the graph, when power was cut off? Do you Alan or anyone else have any ideas? There isn't a bump in the graph when it's heating up, either. Previously we've seen a distinct increase in the slope whe

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:57 AM 9/16/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: The important information is: There is no superheated steam because inside the ecat is everything almost at boiling temperature. For superheated steam you need an extra heater that heats the steam and there is none. Because the temperature inside the

Re: [Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:24 AM 9/16/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Thanks for your comments I'm still looking at the whole picture. This is also the reason, why I do not believe that two chambered inner structure. We do not have any evidence that would support the idea of superheated steam and also I do not se

RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:34 AM 9/16/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > From: Jones Beene [ mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] > Hey guys - isn't Rossi-mania already reading like a geek gossip column? You mean a greek geek gossip column! For Defkalion, it's a piqued greek geek gossip column!

[Vo]:Thoughts on the eCat and 130C steam

2011-09-16 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I'm still trying to figure out what's going on! The outlet port is very high on the unit ... if it was just the overflow from a kettle boiler then there wouldn't be any room for steam. I might have to go back to thinking of it as a Tube boiler, where the flow of the steam carries the water with i

Re: [Vo]:Simply using the facts on Rossis new e-cat and nothing else

2011-09-15 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:21 PM 9/15/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:19 AM 9/15/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: So we know all input conditions and we know all output condition and therefore we can calculate the energy. I've coded up the data -- http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_a.php -- displayed both

Re: [Vo]:Simply using the facts on Rossis new e-cat and nothing else

2011-09-15 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:19 AM 9/15/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: So we know all input conditions and we know all output condition and therefore we can calculate the energy. I've coded up the data -- http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_sep11_a.php -- displayed both as a table and as CSV data which you can load into

Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat

2011-09-15 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:45 AM 9/15/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: WTH?!?! http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/15/collected-comments-on-sept-7-afternoon-rossi-test/ Krivit posted an Horace's post without the context, that is, Jouni's post and answer to that! It looks like Krivit is trying to smear someone he disag

Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat Volume

2011-09-15 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:25 AM 9/15/2011, Joe Catania wrote: > There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored in the E-Cat. Rossi said the reactor volume is 30L -- but this includes space for water and for steam. Taking the time from when the pump was started to when overflow started --  1.77 hrs x The in

RE: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik

2011-09-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:55 PM 9/14/2011, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: We know that the ‘Setting’ is referring to the duty cycle, but we do not know exactly what the relationship is… since 9 is the MAXimum setting, and Lewan states ‘power was at this point constantly switched on’, then a setting of ‘9’ is pres

Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik

2011-09-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:52 AM 9/14/2011, Rich Murray wrote: Richard M.  <  Any relation, I wonder? September 14th, 2011 at 3:33 AM Dear Mr. Andrea Rossi, If you could spare a bit of time, I have a few questions. 1)Could you please inform us as to the reactor core volume of the new E-Cat modules?

Re: [Vo]:E-cat news at Nyteknik

2011-09-14 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:00 AM 9/14/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: These test results are indeed difficult to explain. And (regrettably) incomplete. We know that the power to the resistor was being cycled on and  off, but not the actual duty ratio! Water came out -- but we don't know its temperature. I have one quest

Re: [Vo]:Grimshaw paper

2011-09-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:21 PM 9/9/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Grimshaw, T., Evidence-Based Public Policy toward Cold Fusion: Rational Choices for a Potential Alternative Energy Source. 2008, The University of Texas at Austin. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GrimshawTevidenceba.pdf A good read ... but doubt that any M

[Vo]:eCat Steam Calculator

2011-09-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I finally got round to finishing my ecat steam calculator, and entered all of the steam experiments. http://lenr.qumbu.com/steam_calc.php See the Help file for details. I have most of the important steam parameters available, so I could easily add other calculations -- eg I could calculate the

[Vo]:Rossi quotes

2011-09-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Jason Le Leivre September 8th, 2011 at 6:17 AM In the past you have indicated that your Ni fuel charge is prepared by a single elderly gentleman in his 90 s. Has he been responsible for the fuel for all 300 reactors in your 1MW device or do you have a new preparation system better suited to ma

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 02:14 PM 9/2/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Krivit's picture of the control box shows no transformers Maybe there IS a transformer in there (hard to tell).

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:54 PM 9/2/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: That was just a first-order calculation. I presumed the maximum wattages are for the same input voltages. You can do the whole V=IR foo if you want to, but you don't know the voltages applied to the resistors or the resistor values thems

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:04 PM 9/2/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: So we have either  "9+3" :   9/9 * 300W  + 3/9 * R2 = (770W - 65W)  giving R2 =  1215W  and maximum power at "9+9" is 1515W  "3+9" :   3/9 * 300W  + 9/9 * R2 = (770W - 65W)  giving R2 =   605W  and maximum power at "9+9" is  905W If we could trace th

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:57 PM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: The total power of resisters (in your drawing) at 300 W + 300 W = 600 W seems low. Rossi states in Krivit's film he is using 748 watts, from which I did the following computations: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/KrivitFilm.pdf In another demo the

Re: [Vo]:September 22 might be Rossi's final deadline

2011-09-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Enzo September 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 AM Dear Dr. Rossi, good luck for tomorrow Andrea Rossi September 2nd, 2011 at 3:10 AM Dear Enzo: I always am delighted of good luck wishes, but…what happens tomorrow of special? Warm Regards, A.R.

Re: [Vo]:Structure of Rossi device

2011-09-01 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:01 AM 9/1/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: This post is just to check my understanding of the supposed structure of the Rossi device. I think that this (speculative!) diagram best shows the location of the heating resistors. http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3724appendixc8.shtml o

Re: [Vo]:Levi interview Part 3 is available at a new URL

2011-08-31 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 10:57 AM 8/31/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:The URLs for all interviews are listed here: http://rossiportal.com/ - Jed Sources that Support the Rossi Claim? < http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/08/26/sources-that-support-the-rossi-claim/ > A few days ago he was soliciting information on sites sup

[Vo]:Steam : Temperature-Enthalpy Diagrammer

2011-08-29 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've been working on a javascript program for generating Temperature-Enthalpy Diagrams. http://lenr.qumbu.com/jsxgraph_h.php Following NASA's diagram in Krivit's Appendix 9 the Enthalpy is scaled to kWh, for the given input flow. I've set it up so that I can draw a "path" on the diagram --

Re: [Vo]:Lomax argument that detailed data is required to confirm unknown phenomena

2011-08-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:48 AM 8/25/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: No one has raised a valid objections to the flowing water test as far as I know. Your objection seem to be that you want to see the number "5°C" repeated a thousand times. Go ahead and use a word processor to repeat it yourself: 5°C 5°C 5°C 5°C 5°C 5°C 5

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-23 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:43 AM 8/23/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: Some consolidated and clarified text follows. ... I'm heading out for a couple of days, so I don't have time to check your method or numbers (assuming a 94 °C boiling point) of: Isn't that a bit low? You still need to take into account the fact that th

[Vo]:Rossi Steam Quality Updates

2011-08-22 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've been having some off-vortex action with this. Latest version is at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410E.php My attention was drawn to an excellent Rossi eCat simulator by a Rick Cantwell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTl8z_2Uqo (It's main deficiency is that he's measuring tempera

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-18 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've put up a new version at http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410C.php Scroll down to 11 "Work in Progress" -- where I review some stuff on flow diagrams. Unfortunately the calculations needed to derive the drypoint (and other stages) are beyond my capability and resources. However,

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-18 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 08:08 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Your figure of 75% you seem to have made up. You wrote: No, I read it off this chart by Steiner-Taborek : http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/110816_steam_0014.png I have presented ample evidence that dryout occurs, that it correlates with steam q

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:41 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That's 11 litres or 3 Gallons. I think he'd have noticed that. Lewan found about half the water ended up in the bucket. He noticed it, in other words, he measured it. Unfortunately, he did not examine it closely enough. It would have been far

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:41 PM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll take on your bet that a 5% Dry fully-atomized stream is possible. One pint of beer/glass of wine ? I don't drink alcohol. Read the name. My apologies. Equivalent value, then ... say $5. Means of delivery to be determined.

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 05:09 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: I don't think so. The quality can be anything from 0 to 1 but it is likely to be very wet. There is no diagram that can tell you the quality as is insinuated in the Nasa article. Chimney overflowing with what? Overflowing with fluid, liquid water.

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 04:11 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: The NASA calculations seem to have no validity. It dosen't seem possible to pin down the quality. There is not enough information to do so. That's my whole point. There IS enough information. In fact, the temperatures and pressure don't matter. The inpu

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:43 PM 8/17/2011, you wrote: At 02:36 PM 8/17/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 11:05 AM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll answer your points in detail later. As I said, it's a work in progress. But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point a

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
A new version is up : http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410B.php I've rewritten it distinguishing FLUID from LIQUID, and replaced Watts by "W". And I found a new diagram for the Drypout, which is explicitly scaled to the flow pattern diagram: http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/110816_steam_

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:26 PM 8/17/2011, Joe Catania wrote: How do you explain the low velocity of steam at exit of E-Cat? This surely damns 75% dryness? I'm not convinced that has been proved. Please post a link which covers Kettle & Tube boilers and Dryout . Kettle isn't very relevant to the eCat. Follow the W

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:11 PM 8/17/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: BTW, I think Krivit won't accept anything you write. He wants just negative opinions about Rossi. Maybe not but Rossi might !! (and I have another publication channel).

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:18 AM 8/17/2011, you wrote: I have some corrections though. In one of the appendices, I have to find where, the loss in a 4m hose is about 400W. Rossi said that the ecat wastes 100W within the bulk of the device. So, the actual output is 3/4*(4900-500)= 3300W. I suppose there are also was

Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:05 AM 8/17/2011, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'll answer your points in detail later. As I said, it's a work in progress. But I specifically indicate that the "dryout" is the point at which there is no liquid water on the tube wall. There IS still liquid water in the form of droplets in t

[Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts)

2011-08-17 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_steam_v410A.php (Working Draft) Comments and corrections appreciated -- either through vortex or directly AbstractThe issue of Steam Quality greatly impacts the calculations on the actual excess energy. This issue is extensively analyzed by Steven B. Krivit in

Re: [Vo]:USA Partner + 1MW Test

2011-08-13 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:26 PM 8/13/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: JCCoLDS?  Well they certainly have the money.  And the distribution channel. Next time the young missionaries knock on your door, they might say, "We just came here to share our point of view and sell you a Hyperion at our cost if you just give us a few

[Vo]:JNP Cold Nuclear Fusion paper

2011-08-12 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi August 12th, 2011 at 10:58 AM TO ALL OUR READERS: TODAY HAS BEEN PUBLISHED ON THE JOURNAL OF NUCLEAR PHYSICS THE VERY INTERESTING PAPER “COLD NUCLEAR FUSION” OF E.N. TSYGANOV, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS SOUTHWESTERN, TEXAS, USA. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion clearly states that Rossi showed them how to make the powder

2011-08-11 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:13 PM 8/11/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: Doesn't mean they don't know the sauce. I'm with Terry on this one. They've could just have designed the correct hoppers, feeds, mixers etc etc to add the sauce, They can do this from a technical specification without knowing the secret. If and wh

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

2011-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:46 PM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher wrote: Rossi could have hand-carried a core to Defkalion, run tests, and then taken it way with him. No regulator or government agency in the EU, the U.S. or Japan would allow that. It is unthinkable. These organizations have many

RE: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein\'s Relativity Theory

2011-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:30 PM 8/10/2011, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: That's exactly what Larson's Reciprocal System unified theory says:  particles are in contact if they are either adjacent in 3D space or 3D time. Space/Time? That's SO last-millenium! Beyond space-time: Welcome to phase space http://www.newscien

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

2011-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 11:05 AM 8/10/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ Andrea Rossi August 10th, 2011 at 4:02 AM Dear Luke Mortensen: No one in the world holds any E-Cat, but us, so far. Warm Regards, A.R. Hard to well if it's act

[Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

2011-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ Sorry if it's already here ... I looked for it. Hard to well if it's actually conflicting with what Rossi as said (technically).  They say it's built AROUND the core (not that they have one), AND that they have (are?)

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

2011-08-10 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:26 AM 8/10/2011, Michael Ivanov wrote: BTW - what about Ampenergo who supposed to be a sole distributor in US? No -- they're the middle-man. It was always said that they would license others.

Re: [Vo]:Recent comments from Rossi

2011-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Q1) Is your new customer going to produce e-cats under licence or is it just going to buy e-cats from you? (ajf: Presumably US customer) 1- Buy from Leonardo Corporation Q2) When do you think will the R&D with Bologna University start? before or after the 1MW plant? 2- We didn't deci

Re: [Vo]:The dream is over? Rossi - Defkalion ran out of money?

2011-08-08 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:01 PM 8/8/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Andrea Rossi August 8th, 2011 at 1:38 PM the only problem has been that they were delaying from months their financial duties, until it has not been possible to go ahead. Of course, since they have not respected what due, Which contradicts

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