On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Hi John,
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I think the problem is the “audience” you have chosen is one that is
presently looking hard for substantive physical effects, especially in
light of the criticism of LENR (where intuition has met
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:21 AM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.comwrote:
My hand can easily feel the radiant heat from my flat screen. This is
stronger where whiter (brighter?). And so, yes I felt something. (Did
not try other body places, did not notice other sensations.)
Well then
BTW Further observing my own ability to feel, I arch my fingers back,
beyond merely straight.
This increases sensation.
What I wonder is if this is amplifying the sensation that is already there
from such a hand gesture.
It seems from my research that aetheric energy acts in a manner to amplify
and skin on the
surface of your palm, and to move toward and away from the image.
Still I can often feel the energy on my face or eyes.
John
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:11 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
But an important one.
I have had quite a few Vorts report feeling energy from
I got word that the site was down for at least one of you, well it works
for me (5 hours after your email), but if it still isn't working for others:
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/3314/rg.png
Thanks,
John
Reading that page I came across: In peril is the notion of “naturalness,”
Albert Einstein’s dream that the laws of nature are sublimely beautiful,
inevitable and self-contained. Without it, physicists face the harsh
prospect that those laws are just an arbitrary, messy outcome of random
Hey, for those who were open minded enough to explore this subject, I have
made a new image that engineers the aether.
http://aethericsciences.net78.net/
This is based on the flower of life, but has a detail in the center that is
important.
It is the top image. (when I say that I mean the first
Art Show 2013
near the end of the year.
This was the first one we did from last year:
http://coldfusionnow.org/gallery/shift-2012-gallery/
On 6/8/13 7:26 PM, John Berry wrote:
Hey, for those who were open minded enough to explore this subject, I have
made a new image that engineers
These are good questions.
The fine structure constant has been found to be quite inconstant at higher
than normal energies.
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:06 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Roger,
welcome…
You might do a google search using ‘attosecond physics’…
Well that didn't last long.
Comic Sans must be your default.
Also your font is still a bit large.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
John
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote:
So, my idea is still viable? (:-)
Roger
It is interesting that it is seldom the other way round.
Someone who believes in something might want to share with others who are
open minded, but they have little interest in converting so-called
skeptics, they don't seek them out.
Pseudo-skeptics are not just content in stopping people from
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
There is one very very simple truth.
Many will never believe right up until a technology is widely available.
If so, I think
Actually thinking about it. the reason these people reject big new thing is
because the have very small minds/vision, this is why they reject anything
big.
That is not the same as stupid, but literally they have very real limits to
them.
They reject these things because they want to keep a very
If he does not know such a simple thing, I think he can be safely ignored
as plainly he is significantly ignorant of basic physics.
Only toroidal coils/cores have negligible external detectable field.
And actually it is present but cancelled, hence only detected inductively.
Very long solenoids
There is one very very simple truth.
Many will never believe right up until a technology is widely available.
No demonstration could convince them, maybe not even if they ran it
themselves.
And some won't believe even then, there are deniers and skeptics for
everything, moon landings,
Abd seemed reasonable and respectable.
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
I support him back. He is a a man of peace and understanding abd was
defending the religion of his and his friends.
2013/5/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Dear Bill,
Reproducibility is indeed the crux of most alt/fringe science technologies.
Conventional science is not so willing to accept hard to reproduce effects
as real, effects where not all of the requirements for reproducibility are
known or readily controllable.
This does not mean that these effects
If it is down, how am I reading this?
Did you get my pong response to your earlier ping?
Sent to list and you personally.
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 6:11 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
Apparently list servers at eskimo are down. Owner Bob D. had been making
major changes to spam
I'll pong even though you didn't ping.
Maybe I should just take a shower ;)
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 2:04 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
(( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) )))
William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
That sounds more like the religious concept of blind faith over reason.
I have faith that cold fusion isn't possible, therefore there must be an
error in any scientific evidence to the contrary.
It's right up there with the devil put dinosaur bones in the earth to
confuse us.
On Sun, May 19,
Actually skeptics (correctly called pseudo skeptics) are far worse than
that.
They even disbelieve things that can be explained by establishment dogma.
I have heard that they disbelieved the effects of steroids initially
despite evidence.
And to this day vitamins and minerals are often ignored.
Indeed Jones, control of mammals has been long ago perfected :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7dRelyKzes
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
It might be easier to breed or to hybridize a new species of large
hornet or wasp, which are amenable to
Researchers at Cambridge University find proof for the existence of
significant amounts of Zero Point Energy in the non-conforming behavior of
certain molecules.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130426115449.htm
Hey, I have made a new image that might be more apparent for some.
And a website however basic/shoddy:
http://aethericsciences.net78.net/
The first image (after the text), open it up in a new window so it displays
are the correct size preferably.
John
A. Stearns Jr.
hoyt-stea...@cox.netwrote:
Surprisingly enough, I did feel a warmth where it says Feel over the
circle even when I had my eyes closed and moved the image to a random
place first!
What's your algorithm for designing these drawings?
** **
** **
*From:* John Berry
it.
** **
** **
** **
*From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:51 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New image, and site
** **
Well that is a pretty good result, Reload the page and recheck the top
image for me, I improved
I, for one, welcome our new robot masters...
I am pretty sure they will watch the Simpsons, then kill you because you
got the quote wrong, imperfection found, eliminate faulty human.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlords.
, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
Even atoms are still just
work at any zoom level? I'm using a 24 inches LCD
monitor.
Mark Jordan
On 19-Apr-13 21:35, John Berry wrote:
Mark, I have made a new one especially for you.
Now this image deals heavily with colour so it may not work if your
monitor or videocard is at fault.
Feel about 1.5 to 2
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
monitor.
Another person from the list has emailed me privately to say they felt
something very subtle in their hand inline with the horizontal line running
through an
To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:00 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
monitor.
Another person from the list has emailed me
working as the light does not
convey far enough.
John
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:05 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:00 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
at 1:21 AM, MJ feli...@gmail.com wrote:
Have tried every image you posted and feel nothing besides the heat
from the monitor's backlight.
In hope,
Mark Jordan
On 19/4/2013 09:51, John Berry wrote:
BTW an added interesting detail.
I am finding that my hand can deflect
All should work, but it does make a difference.
LED/LCD seems best, I have not yet tried it on a CRT.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
wrote:
To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
Does
something. A drawing is supposed to be
generating an energy flow?
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
monitor.
Another person
printing it out?
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
All should work, but it does make a difference.
LED/LCD seems best, I have not yet tried it on a CRT.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:07 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
First off, thank you for at least considering this.
Yes I a bit frustrated that no one new has reported even trying these
images, but I did not mean to show any disrespect.
There is an issue I didn't really want
, MJ feli...@gmail.com wrote:
Have tried every image you posted and feel nothing besides the heat
from the monitor's backlight.
In hope,
Mark Jordan
On 19/4/2013 09:51, John Berry wrote:
BTW an added interesting detail.
I am finding that my hand can deflect the energy
...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
So, let me ask you again for an acceptable control experiment but in
different terms:
What sort of picture does your
The CIA (or it's predecessor) had apparent genuine interest in the ideas
from Get Smart (as crazy as that sound).
I can't help but wonder if the TV Program Person of Interest is causing
similar but more secretive interest.
Of course the TV program could be a fictional disclosure of something
I said that the placebo effect had about doubled in effectiveness over what
it had been.
Someone asked for the source.
I am sure a better search of google will turn up more info on that, but
here is an article about it getting more effective without (I think)
mentioning a doubling:
Actually, it does say that: One estimated that the so-called effect size (a
measure of statistical significance) in placebo groups had nearly doubled
over that time.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I said that the placebo effect had about doubled
This is obviously a complex issue.
But I think that strong belief as with hypnosis and other suggestions can't
be discounted (faith healers).
There are people who have apparently died from being made to think they
they were having blood drain from their bodies.
And if someone goes into surgery
Please read this entire email, but if you don't, just read this:
*So what evidence exists for there not being an entrained aether?*
*None.*
You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
Even atoms are still just considered a theory, sure a popular one with tons
of evidence.
Atoms are of
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
Even atoms are still just considered a theory, sure a popular one with
tons of evidence
Today, we don't have to confine ourselves to mechanical practices when
drawing geometry so we can draw different worlds into existence.
Harry
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:56 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development
:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:05 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?***
*
** **
Harry, thanks for your appreciation.
** **
But it isn't about drawings.
Sure
:14 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
This is not made to effect the eye or brain.
It works with eyes closed.
As do images that look like a solid colour to the eyes, they still work
(due to subtle colour variation the eye can't make out).
If you put the 'shooter' image on screen
control experiment that could distinguish
between placebo and real effect? What about double blind?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
Let me add that I also know that this has nothing to do with visual
effects because this is only one form I have used
.
So how about showing me the respect that I showed you by asking you what
YOU would consider to be an acceptable control experiment?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:09 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Running a control experiment is debunking?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 5:57 PM, John Berry
are unaware of each others differences in inertial
frames until they get back together and realize they were living at
different rates.
Fran
*From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.comberry.joh...@gmail.com?]
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:42 AM
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
It is worth noting that Yildiz might not have expected his motor to fail.
And as such did not think that the load was very important.
A fan is a perfect load for being unobtrusive, imagine the doubt if he had
it turn an electrical generator?
And unlike a prony brake (plus you would not leave a
which is not meant to break SR since the very fabric of
space is moving.
So really, there is tons of evidence for an aether by various different
names accepted in physics.
John
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:20:59, John Berry
I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
A worthwhile improvement for both images:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should
sensations.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
A worthwhile improvement for both images:
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry
Has no one tried it yet?
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:56 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with
some previous ones.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png
All in an effort to reduce the odds
No replies, hmmm.
I have sent this to 5 people on this list privately.
2 have repoted back, they both felt something. (one of those took a while
before I made one he could feel)
And 3 failed to reply all together, ignoring me outright.
So I can image some peoples minds might be too limited to
on a gram
scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I
am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute.
** **
Jones
** **
*From:* John Berry
** **
Has no one tried it yet?
** **
** **
And a 3rd image to try to feel
permeate everything and so shielding or isolating them could be an
issue. Hence the questions about distance. I may have to bring cards into
range one at a time.
Gibson
--
*From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 17
I have been in Vo's ugly nest of believers for a very long time.
I think in general a more accurate sentence might be a nest of skeptics and
jaded ex-believers (oh, and some nuts and trolls, and nutty trolls).
Anyway I have some developments in the direction of influencing the aether
sufficient
for occupants of
this NAE – car is now toward negative 90 degrees and it is we who appear
to slow down from dilation from the perspective of the occupants in this
lower pressure environment..
Regards
Fran
** **
*From:* John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com]
*Sent
Is earths gravity getting weaker by an apple falling
It is now earth plus an apple, and if enough apples fell, the gravity would
increase further, eventually measurably increasing earths gravity, and
creating an apple sauce layer of course.
And ultimately an very appley black hole.
On Mon,
So there are two somewhat simple possibilities.
1: Magnets become demagnetized, the energy stored in their fields is
depleted.
2: The magnets enter a state of greater attraction or greater repulsion or
both over the run, this is essentially then a high tech spring that is
being unwound.
But do
Well one interesting thought is if we have a magnet, and there is nothing
else magnetic, then no energy can be tapped from it, but it still cost the
same to establish the field.
Additionally it we let iron particle cover our magnet until there is
no observable outside field (still there really,
You have failed to tackle the real question.
If we have say a permanent magnet, and a C core, as we pass the magnet into
the C core, an inductive field is established.
If the inductive field will also effect the atoms, and if the material is
aligned, then the aligned atoms will have energy
I have current interesting evidence for unparticles.
I can generate something that I and most people can feel, and yet is only
very weakly interactive with matter.
It is easy to try if anyone want to give it a shot.
John
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Well there is a theory that goes that a chunk of Antimatter might not
explosively annihilate, but like a drop of water in a hot pan rolling
frictionlessly on a layer of steam.
The outer portion reacts so violently that is stops any large
scale annihilation taking place, leading to a slow burn
3D printers can use metal, glass and various other materials.
Semiconductors can be printed, as can batteries.
Now I don't think there is any that can do all of these things of course.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I wrote:
It seems unlikely to
I previously tried to use the low cost stainless service from shpaeways
and it had issues with hollow parts and dimensional precision.
Indeed, their method can't do hollow, and the other method can't do
overhanging pieces.
So you can design something that is impossible to be made by either
overhang island, or with a temporary suoport making no
detached island then DMLS should be
capable of building any shape.
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:18 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote:
I previously tried to use the low cost stainless service from shpaeways
and it had issues
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I suspect there is an invalid assumption about randomness that we are making
when we go along with the old thought experiment of a corps of eternally
typing monkeys eventually producing Shakespeare's folio or imagining
It is interesting to note that the complete works of Shakespeare must
also occur in Pi somewhere. (irrational, non ending and non
repetitive)
But because you would have to convert the numbers to letters, you
would need to group them and since you would get many numbers over 26
it would take a very
Ok, I think there is something that David and I myself are unclear on...
Let's say you take IR radiation, so what is that?
A high frequency EM wave in the Teraherz range, if you have a nano antenna
and diodes suited it could maybe be rectified directly to usable power,
since this can be done
Interesting.
I had not heard of mirror matter before, Definite shares of a certain Star
Trek episode.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
The unspoken assumption is that the asteroid is composed of normal
matter – and if so, then it would take substantial
True, although it does say that equally charged spheres would always repel.
Still there are other bits of evidence, for example:
http://www.rexresearch.com/ev/ev.htm
Semi-stable clusters of electrons.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice article.
I think it should be noted that black holes are not known to exit.
They are based on Einsteins theories and he didn't believe they existed.
They are an unproven theory.
John
Unless it breaks a different law of conservation of energy.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 6:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Robin, do you actually have to check to see if it gets cooler? Would it
not be necessary for this to happen if heat energy is taken out of the
system and put
You are reminding me of an idea I had long ago.
Take 2 hot radiating objects.
Place then in a perfect thermal insulating container (for fun).
Now I have heard that a magnet can rotate the plane of polarization of
photons.
The second fact this is based on is that if you have 2 polarized lenses
signals in one direction. It could allow RF to be sent from one device to
the other but have no return path. It is a neat way to stabilize negative
resistance devices. Perhaps this is a way to achieve your plan.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
Only if you don't feed it any info from natural therapies (and alternative).
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Whoa! I just thought of an interesting scenario.
That article says that the first application they intend to use Watson for
his cancer
Hey Hamdi, Long time.
I am re-interested in a coil that you reported generating Ozone at low
voltages.
Can you give some more detail on that one please?
Thanks,
John
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Hamdi Ucar u...@verisoft.com wrote:
Hello everybody remembering me,
I had difficulty to
I am reluctant to ask, but what makes you believe that this is a useful
form of communication?
What is it about this list that attracts such non-sense?
I am all for fringe science, but this is all straight jacket stuff.
Ugh.
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Jack Harbach-O'Sullivan
Maybe acid.
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 10:49 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Medical marijuana?
On Thursday, January 10, 2013, John Berry wrote:
I am reluctant to ask, but what makes you believe that this is a useful
form of communication?
What is it about this list
Consider though that inspiration is very vital to uplifting humanity.
Nothing is more inspirational in my books than reaching literally for the
stars.
A bigger picture might be just what they are lacking.
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:04 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:
I dropped off my mother at a
While I think banning one or 2 might be a good idea.
Since Bill has shown a reluctance to do this maybe setting up a filter is
the best way.
I would rather have a list owner that allowed freedom over a dictator that
micromanaged it.
Maybe those who have actually contributed to the running cost
(according to most physicists) that it is not possible?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 1:54 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
...
My
toward solving the issues without panic.
Do not worry, as long as we make it past the 21 st, all will be fine.
Optimism trumps pessimism every time. Careful planning beats panic in
just about every case.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
Good idea, I have filtered him so I am no longer able to be provoked by his
trolling.
Never setup a filter in gmail before, but not hard.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:55 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Abd:
...
... Jojo shows no sign of
having the
as
required and to find solutions.
You believe.
Enough said about this issue.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
Ransom, it makes sense when you consider that there is more money in oil
than the survival of the earth and humanity.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
**
Jojo:
I don't understand your passionate position on this issue. Given some
evidence either way,
What is the worst case scenario if there is a problem and we don't do
anything about it?
What is the worst case scenario if there isn't and we do something about it?
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
Randy,
It seems to me that before we institute
The science will never be settled as long as there is a large financial
interest opposing it.
Consider that the science has not been settled for the efficacy of many
vaccinations and pharmaceuticals especially when the placebo effect has
apparently doubled in it's efficacy.
You are erring on the
for you.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:New Data Worrying 2000 climatologists about Global
Warming
What is the worst case scenario
: Expensive and draconian to protect against. We don't
even know if it is indeed happening.
So, a lot of may, if and possibility. Why should we implement
draconian measures to correct these may, if and possibility?
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
Not super-nova, not nova, no explosion as such.
In 4-5 billion years it will expand to a red giant apparently, then
collapse into a white dwarf.
But the argument is so dishonest it really shows you are not worth
communicating with.
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com
Jed, you see the problem.
None of that is profitable to oil barons.
Did the US invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or sand?
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess you could use this argument in other ways
Are we sure that new stars will not be born?
If so then when could the last of those stop forming and burn out?
This is of course all based on the Big bang theory,which is not the only
theory nor the only possibility.
If you decide to listen to the minority not the majority this theory too
could
every winter. The misery, the
widespread property damage, the crop failures, etc. A slight increase in
temperature would make severe winters very mild, allowing for a better
life. Haven't we learned this from history?
Jojo
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*From:* John Berry berry.joh
, but not with me.
Maybe, it's best you do stop discussing with me cause the more you do, the
more fallacious your arguments become and people can see that you are
arguing from emotions rather than facts.
Jojo
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*From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com
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