Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-12 Thread John Berry
: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:13:28 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR Philip wrote.. In fact we all do it; when we meet someone, we know almost immediately who or what we're dealing with, although we more often than not deny what we're seeing or hide from it. Human stuff

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-12 Thread John Berry
your answer. P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:13:28 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR Philip wrote.. In fact we all do it; when we meet someone, we know almost

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-11 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: Nice stuff... But kind of circular... Nah, it's more like martial arts technique. :) See what needs doing, see from all angles simultaneously, then go knock heads together as needed. I've gone through the stages of: 1. being an asshole who attacks

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-11 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
with, although we more often than not deny what we're seeing or hide from it. Human stuff. P. - Original Message From: William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 4:58:57 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, PHILIP

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-11 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Philip wrote.. In fact we all do it; when we meet someone, we know almost immediately who or what we're dealing with, although we more often than not deny what we're seeing or hide from it. Human stuff. Howdy Philip and Bill, Been an interesting and revealing thread. Remember I was born

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-11 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Philip wrote.. In fact we all do it; when we meet someone, we know almost immediately who or what we're dealing with, although we more often than not deny what we're seeing or hide from it. Human stuff. Howdy Philip

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Us, and them And after all were only ordinary men. Me, and you. God only knows its not what we would choose to do. Forward he cried from the rear And the front rank died. And the general sat and the lines on the map Moved from side to side. Black and blue And who knows which is which and who is

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-08 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
: Sunday, October 7, 2007 9:50:54 PM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: How about refuse to tolerate all conscious dishonesty in ourselves? We all lie to ourselves - mostly unconsciously - about a myriad of things... something I won't

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread William Beaty
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, R.C.Macaulay wrote: The first pier must be intellectual honesty, identify the minimum two other piers. Ah, but the first one has two parts: 1. Refuse to tolerate intellectual dishonesty in yourself. (The mote in your own eye can cause you to mistakenly see large

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
, 2007 9:32:16 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, R.C.Macaulay wrote: The first pier must be intellectual honesty, identify the minimum two other piers. Ah, but the first one has two parts: 1. Refuse to tolerate intellectual dishonesty in yourself

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, So I gather from Philip and Bill that demanding a continious self audit is a prerequisite to characterizing the intellectual integrity of others. This is interesting because, from these comments we discover that we cannot go further until the first pier of the tripod is firmly

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
are considering what is apparently LENR. We've all seen the anti-LENR lies; why waste time agonizing over the perpetrators of these lies? P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2007 10:23:15 AM Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread Harry Veeder
Learn to ride the pogo stick! http://www.pogostickusa.com/pogo/index.htm Harry - Original Message - From: "R.C.Macaulay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 7, 2007 10:23 am Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR Howdy Vorts, So I gather from Phili

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread Harry Veeder
Theethics ofa lie depends on the context. Harry - Original Message - From: PHILIP WINESTONE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, October 7, 2007 11:43 am Subject: Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR Well I tried to say it in a few different ways. The simple answer is that we have to do

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: My own view of life, including the LENR fiasco (back to LENR), is that there's nothing worse than someone who is being CONSCIOUSLY dishonest, and who tries to sell this dishonesty to others, as honesty, by whatever means and for whatever reasons. I agree, but my

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-07 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: How about refuse to tolerate all conscious dishonesty in ourselves? We all lie to ourselves - mostly unconsciously - about a myriad of things... something I won't get into in detail, but perhaps worthy of some thought. But this is about being a

[VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-06 Thread R.C.Macaulay
BlankHowdy Vorts, This group overshadows others in the cultivating of an intellectual honesty toward candid discussion of the technical merits, pitfalls and inspirational hopes for various new forms of energy. New energy is an essential for the future and will be achieved by preparing a

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-06 Thread PHILIP WINESTONE
PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2007 8:28:48 AM Subject: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR Blank BODY { MARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:25px;COLOR:#00;FONT-FAMILY:Arial, Helvetica;} P.msoNormal { MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Open and free discussion is certainly a necessity. One must not allow those ideas which one considers to be true to cloud the ability to consider that the idea might need refinement or, indeed, be flawed. If a claimant says that a measurement was taken a certain way and was verified by others, a

Re: [VO]: Tripod base required for LENR

2007-10-06 Thread R.C.Macaulay
This group overshadows others in the cultivating of an intellectual honesty toward candid discussion of the technical merits, pitfalls and inspirational hopes for various new forms of energy. New energy is an essential for the future and will be achieved by preparing a solid foundation, a