>>>Just because I do not spoon-feed you examples of people who use the legal
>>>system to steal and commit crimes, that does not mean they do not exist.
Unfortunately the "people" that would say that a crime has been committed by
the legal system would generally be the "people" that the
I think Jed and Jones are hopelessly deadlocked with A.A. and other Rossi fans.
Neither side will yield or gain influence and it may be best to desist. Both
sides cannot possibly understand each perspective.
Changing the topic:
I am close to completing a repetition of the 1996 Thermacore
a.ashfield wrote:
> You are getting desperate if the Mafia is the only example you can come up
> with.
>
There are plenty of other examples. You can do your own homework and find
them. Just because I do not spoon-feed you examples of people who use the
legal system to
Jed,
You are getting desperate if the Mafia is the only example you can come
up with. News to me that Rossi goes around threatening physical harm to
IH personnel.
As for Santilli, "It was then made clear to me (Film director John
Jopson) that if the footage was exposed as a hoax before the
a.ashfield wrote:
> I would have thought you could tell the difference between some one who
> has set up a long running fraud and someone trying to take advantage of the
> legal system who had no part in causing the problem.
>
> I asked you for one example of the former
Perhaps someone could remind me of the terms of the GPT.
I thought I remembered that the GPT had to achieve at least a COP>=4 for
250 days continuously. I don't think it required anything like the 1 MW
output. Perhaps Rossi created the 1MW array of devices as a "reactor" to
give himself the
Jones,
I don't find it incredible that you believe any bad fake news you can
find on Rossi.
According to what I've read the waste was reclassified as toxic
retroactively.
In order to prove your point you need to show a photo copy of the final
sentences and appeals, not the charges. I won't
Jed.
I would have thought you could tell the difference between some one who
has set up a long running fraud and someone trying to take advantage of
the legal system who had no part in causing the problem.
I asked you for one example of the former who has then taken the victim
to court and
Adrian,
Incredibly, you state as fact that
As for "Petroldragon," he was cleared of all charges. Doesn't that
count?
It might count, but he was NOT cleared. This is another Rossi deceit.
How it stays online is incredible and indicative of blind followers who,
like yourself, reinforce his
Jones,
Of course truth is a defense against libel. Why act like this is
kindergarten?
The problem, as you well know, is whether the accusation you made WERE
true. You have no proof of it and it is just malicious speculation
"an ongoing scam" (There's no need of a trial as you KNOW the answer
a.ashfield wrote:
Jed,
> It is you who is missing my point. Show me one case where the fraudster
> took his victim to court.
>
It happens all the time! Using the court system to commit fraud is a very
common M.O. For example, people suit for fake damage claims, hoping
Adrian,
Why do I have to keep reminding you that in the USA, truth is a defense
to libel?
Do you simply not understand this, or do you not want to understand it
because you adore Rossi to such a strange and unhealthy degree?
As for "defamation of character" - Rossi has no favorable
Jones,
Probably. Probably this and probably that. Never give any proof, just
libelous speculation
AA
On 2/3/2017 12:31 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
I would add this to what Giovanni has observed.
Rossi probably sued first because not only was his failure to perform
obvious to all insiders at
I would add this to what Giovanni has observed.
Rossi probably sued first because not only was his failure to perform
obvious to all insiders at IH, but moreover - he considered Industrial
Heat to be his actual partner in an ongoing scam which "could have"
dragged on for far longer (had they
Giovanni,
You seem to be one of those who can't resist trying to pull down anyone
in the news. Rossi has never defrauded you.
There is a lot of evidence that Rossi has in fact discovered something.
See http://www.e-catworld.com/why-i-believe-in-the-e-cat/
The evidence from IH is all second
The courts are full of frivolous lawsuits and crazy claims of all types.
People spin the truth or straight lie all the time in court proceedings
from divorce to business cases.
And it is well known that filing first gives you a psychological advantage.
So Rossi could have simply anticipated he
Jed,
It is you who is missing my point. Show me one case where the fraudster
took his victim to court.
That is the last thing a fraudster would want to do, to have all the
facts come out IN COURT.
AA
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On 2/2/2017 8:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield
a.ashfield wrote:
I don't recall either of them taking their victims to court.
> It was the other way around.
>
Your analysis is too narrow. You are missing the point. The point is,
people such as Madoff and Rossi have enormous chutzpah, and they are
reckless. They will
I don't recall either of them taking their victims to court.
It was the other way around.
AA
On 2/2/2017 7:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
a.ashfield > wrote:
At this point it strikes me that it is extraordinarily unlikely
that a
a.ashfield wrote:
> At this point it strikes me that it is extraordinarily unlikely that a
> fraudster would take the supposed victim (IH) to court.
>
Your personal level of incredulity is not a valid metric. Look at famous
scams such as Ponzi or Bernie Madoff. They
Giovanni,
This "valid customer" detail should come out during deposition.
I suspect the IH Attorney will be relentless with tough questions, and
for once, Rossi will be cautioned not to throw a tantrum and walk out.
(he could do so nevertheless).
The most unfortunate possibility of all -
Not just a customer, but a valid, legit, independent customer, not a
Rossi's agent.
Giovanni
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> To cut to the chase ... Rossi's claim for supplying a massive amount of
> steam to a customer in an adjoining space (which
Jones,
I understand the legal system well enough. Like in England, the law is
an ass (as stated by the Chief Justice.)
What I said was that, relatively speaking, the customer is unimportant.
What really matters is if there is a commercial LENR plant. I've read
the supposed contract (I
Adrian,
Perhaps the problem is that you do not understand the US legal system,
insofar as you maintain that it "doesn't matter" that Rossi may have
committed fraud by inventing a fake customer and fake manufacturing
plant to use the steam.
Note - I am not saying he did or didn't invent
Jones, contrary to what you wrote, I don't think it matters a damn
whether the customer was real of not. IH failed to find a customer for
a year and possibly Rossi decided just to find a suitable heat sink.
What matters is how the 1 MW plant performed. Did it really produce 1
MW with a COP of
To cut to the chase ... Rossi's claim for supplying a massive amount of
steam to a customer in an adjoining space (which no one from IH was
allowed to visit) could be instantly validated if there was indeed a
real customer using the steam.
If there was no customer, and the steam was not
Has there yet been published in the court documents, a schematic of Rossi's
system showing the location of the pumps and flow gauge?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Brian Ahern wrote:
> Yesterday I corrected the Rossi calculations. I failed to note the water
> was above
Yesterday I corrected the Rossi calculations. I failed to note the water was
above 100C with no pressure to keep it in the liquid phase. The metering device
cannot function with a compressible fluid. It will always measure higher values
than measuring it as a single liquid phase at the input.
The enthalpy calculations of Ahern do not appear to account for the change of
the phase of water to steam at about 100 C. This is about 540 calories per
gram and should add to the heating of the liquid phase over about 30 C.
This amounts to 540 /30 or about 1800% additional enthalpy—joules
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