Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Looks like they can't reproduce: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/general-updates/348-the-hug-quest-for-gammas-and-more Suspect cosmic / background radiation. Interesting how Jean-Paul Biberian replicated it. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Well no, the

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Mark Gibbs wrote: > I can't find any references to "cnoid" anything let alone "cnoid de > Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages" ... if anyone has any links > or explanations of what this means (or is supposed to mean) I'd love to > hear it. > The Duke of Ellington explained what this means

RE: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

On vortex, we must pay homage to Robert Anton Wilson periodically ... probably preferable to paying cnotes for fromage... -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Mark Gibbs wrote: > I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as "powerful crested cnoid > de Broglie Matter wa

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as "powerful crested cnoid > de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and > followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large > doubly-perio

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

I think the double solitons are as follows: FALACO solitons http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0101/0101098.pdf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyjwZ39EDmw On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as "powerful crested > cnoid d

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

To start with take a look at this : Amini, F., *The Study of Cavitation Bubble-Surface Plasmon Resonance Interaction For LENR and Biochemical processes*. 2013, LENR-CANR.org. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/AminiFthestudyof.pdf On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > I'm not really q

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

https://nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html I kid you not. The LeClair reactor is just a water pump and some plastic pipe. See the pictures at the bottom of the reference for some examples. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > You can replicate anything you please without permissi

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

I'm not really qualified to evaluate phrases such as "powerful crested cnoid de Broglie Matter wave soliton wave packages that were doubly periodic and followed the Jacobi Elliptic functions exactly, mostly in the form of large doubly-periodic vortices" but I can't find any references to "cnoid" an

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because > LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. > One should resist putting LeClair's claims in the same basket as those of McKubre, Miles, Storms, etc., as wel

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

You can replicate anything you please without permission if you're not selling whatever it is. If the patent details how to build a LeClair system and it's clear from the patent how to do it and it only costs $250 then it is inconceivable that someone wouldn't try to replicate it. I call bullshit

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

LeClair wants to use patent law to be a gatekeeper for his technology. But we all know that LENR is not patentable. If you wanted to replicate LeClair's reactor, you might be involved in a legal wrangle with him. But you might have a case to dispute the patent in that LENR does not exist. One mig

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

I was querying Axil's original claim: "If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of their obsession from gamma radiation. They may

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

That's the logical implication of what Axil's saying. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because > LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. > > [m] > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bow

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

So, in reality, the LeClair effect can't be duplicated either because LeClair won't permit it or because it doesn't actually exist. [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM, James Bowery wrote: > I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research > replication as "beneficial use" and m

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

I think what Axil is saying is that LeClair is claiming research replication as "beneficial use" and must, therefore, be licensed by the patent owner. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate > LeClair's experim

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

But that doesn't answer the question: If it only costs $250 to replicate LeClair's experiment why hasn't it been done? [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what > he states, I don't know if this statement h

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

LeClair has patented the whole process including replication. That is what he states, I don't know if this statement holds water. He says that replication is extremely dangerous and he does not want to see anybody go through what he when through.. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Really? Is LeClair's experiment that easily replicated? If it can be done for $250 why has no one else done it? [m] On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to > replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars w

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Yeah, but the vast majority of the universe would probably fail to see the irony. They'd just think it was just science learning something new but not really relevant (since no heat energy was being generated). However, those in the know will get it, and certainly look at this all afresh, which

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Its precisely such humor that would force them to eat their hats if the NRC regulated LENR research. They'd become the butt of jokes in the popular press. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, > because, they

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

The scientific establishment just wants to keep the R&D money coming in for fusion and nuclear research. LENR can be a proliferation danger by enhancing U235 concentration and destroying U232 whose risk their ideology may work to ignore. Paraphrasing POTUS Bush: "Knowing these realities, America

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

"The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because, they said, it might be dangerous. He sent them skeptical comments and articles from the New York Times claiming cold fusion does not exist. He pointed out that if it does not exist, it cannot be dangerous. They admitted he

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

WELL I dunno about eating its hat. They certain didn't freak out when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric_fusion was published. I think until significant heat is generated, the establishment won't feel particularly bad about itself. But this will certainly move things in the right directi

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

James Bowery wrote: Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the > scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat. > True! That would mean it is real. The obverse of that was when the Navy wanted to close down Miles, because, they said, it might be dangerous. He

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Good grief, Axil. If the NRC roadblocks a LENR system, it means the scientific establishment has to immediately eat its hat. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC > roadblock. > > Rossi bent over backward to rid hi

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Bob Higgins wrote: I believe the MFMP attempt to detect gamma is the correct thing to do. > I agree, for the reasons you listed plus one more: it would help convince some fence-sitting people who are leaning toward belief. > When you first begin generating LENR, you likely will not be optimiz

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

This is true, So what purpose does it serve to show it? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody > mainstream believes that radiation was generated. > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

He (and most cold fusion researchers) are regarded as mad because nobody mainstream believes that radiation was generated. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to > replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 doll

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

If these experimenters wanted to produce gammas, they only need to replicate the LeClair cavitation reactor. $250 dollars will do it. A year in the hospital from radiation exposure should be enough to rid them of their obsession from gamma radiation. They may also get a dose of neutrons and alpha p

RE: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

07, 2013 11:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment! "[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding inside 24 hours Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the ‘Gamma’ blogpost that was sen

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Anyways, the reality is (remember that? reality?) that MFMP is constrained by resources just like everyone else is in the physical real world. If you have experiments that you would like to see done and tools/equipment/materials you can give them, I am pretty sure they'd be all over that.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

We know that wings on airplanes work, and wheels on cars also work, why do you want to build a new aircraft without wings and a new car without wheels? We know how LENR works well and why reinvent it with a new unproven technology?. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > No

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

DGT has replicated Rossi and has gone beyond him. IMHO. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he > does. > > Frankly, that's what's really useless here. > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote:

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Nobody has replicated what Rossi has done and he doesn't share what he does. Frankly, that's what's really useless here. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC > roadblock. > > Rossi bent over backward to rid his sy

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

A LENR reaction that produces gammas is useless because of the NRC roadblock. Rossi bent over backward to rid his system of gammas and for good reasons. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an > interesting con

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

The LENR researcher trying to say what someone else is doing is counterproductive and misguided. Juicy. Reminds me of how african americans were so happy to discriminate against gays. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Axil Axil wrote: > My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Ce

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

My bad assumption, the effort is directed toward the Celani cell. Let me restate. IMHO, working on a non-Nano powder passed reaction is misguided and counterproductive. If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third party test works, a non-nanopowder bases cell has

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

If it generates gamma and its replicated you don't think that's an interesting contribution to science? I think if something strange and unexpected is happening (at least to the wide world of science) even if it is orthogonal to your purpose, I think it makes sense to follow where it leads. Quite

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

IMHO, working on the F&P cell and the Pd/D reaction is misguided and counterproductive. If we cannot convince nuclear engineers that a Ni/H reactor in a third party test works, a F&P cell has nor hope of doing so. On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > "The production of gamm

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

"[UPDATE #1] Jean-Paul Biberian independently replicates MFMP finding inside 24 hours Jean-Paul Biberian, who was forwarded by a follower an advance pdf of the ‘Gamma’ blogpost that was sent out to donors 12 hours earlier, was so interested in the finding, that he put his schedule to one side and

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

"The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is failing, in the same way that smoke is an indicator of a failing wood fire reaction. A hot and vigorous wood fire is smokeless." Your analogy is great cause being able to generate smoke is usually what you generally lear

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

These LENR workers are misguided. These guys want an indicator based on nuclear engineering to prove that LENR is occurring to these nuclear people. This is a misinformed opinion and uneducated. The production of gamma radiation is a sure sign that the LENR reaction is failing, in the same way

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Well no, they have detected gamma rays, but perhaps not yet definitively. >From FB: Gamma - the smoking gun of LENR? http://youtu.be/ehvRxMYczK8 We have seen repeatable bursts of gamma during re-gassing of the EU cells over the last 2 months and we are preparing a highly sensitive Thallium dope

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Of course, my misreading was pre-disposed by having seen this article first: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/11/mfmp-report-detection-of-unusual-gamma-rays/ MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays November 7, 2013 • 1 Comment There is a new blog post on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Projec

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

Good catch, James. I screwed up, misread the article. There's not much doubt that Celani has observed gamma rays, but not MFMP. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:30 PM, James Bowery wrote: > The title of the FR post is (annoyingly) misleading. > > The MFMP team is saying that they are excited about pu

Re: [Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

The title of the FR post is (annoyingly) misleading. The MFMP team is saying that they are excited about putting a more sensitive gamma ray detector into operation -- not that it has, as of now, detected unambiguous gamma rays. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > *MFMP dete

[Vo]:MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment!

*MFMP detects GAMMA rays in LENR experiment* *Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project ^ * | 06 November 2013. | Robert Greenyer *"Well, to put