Il giorno 13/nov/2011 02:23, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
A. Final note
There is a big difference between your efforts on
http://www.lenr-canr.org and the e-cat site. The first is a service to the
community, the other is
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
The difference between a free informative website and a business website
is about selling. On a business if you damage potential sales, you are
doing a poor job with the website. Rossi's site does not look like, and it
is not a business
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/Products/1MW_Plant/index.html NOTICE: November
13, 2011; 9:00 am MST Andrea Rossi has removed his official designation from
this site until he has time to make certain corrections. Only those pages with
the designation: Approved by Andrea Rossi should be
Technical specifications Thermal Output Power 1 MW Electrical Input Power Peak
200 kW Electrical input Power Average 167 kW COP 6 Power Ranges 20 kW-1 MW
Modules 52 Power per Module 20kW Water Pump brand Water Pump Pressure4 Bar
Water Pump Capacity 1500 kg/hr Water Pump Ranges 30-1500 kg/hr
On 12 Nov 2011, at 01:39, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Nothing wrong with old programmers and old engineers. Cut by first code on a
8008 system that I designed and built. Had a whole 256 bytes of ram. Put the
program in with switches. Now that is old code.
Do you still
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:12 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote:
Someone at Ecatnews.com pointed out that the web site is so bad that
someone left in this name:
Prof. George Kelly (University of New Hampshire – USA)
That is a throw back to Rossi's board of directors for his silly
blog he pretends
http://www.blongerbros.com/gang/rag.asp
Vivid details on extremely cunning, well organized, intricate street scam
to catch wealthy tourists one by one within a web of fake stock market
speculation in the 1920's... an education for me...
Hello! Welcome to AptyeryxOz
*Ever wondered what life would be like if electricity cost next to nothing
to generate and the resulting products from the actual generation (The
ashes) was essentially household copper.*
*What if the component materials used to create the heat required to
generate
Like everything I build it was a work in progress and was continually
evolving. The switch panel went when I got an old teletype. Was so
excited that I had a printer and real keyboard. The system code was then
about 1 k. The last work I did on that system involved designing in a
video terminal
Am 12.11.2011 08:12, schrieb Mary Yugo:
Yikes!
Defamation would be: Rossi is a scammer
Whats if we say Rossi is a master scammer ;-)
A personal opinion and perfectly legal: Rossi may be a scammer (also
he may not be one). Freedom of speech on that one, I think.
Really -- I had this issue
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote:
This is why Brady finally was convicted at court in munich.
The Perendev motor operates in repulsion mode. Magnets in repulsion
degrade over time; so, assuming it did work as the videos imply, it
would not last.
T
Jed,
Il giorno 12/nov/2011 02:26, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Digging in to the html code, the headers tell it all about quality...
made with FrontPage software that was discontinued in 2003!
I do not see why that
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
A. Final note
There is a big difference between your efforts on http://www.lenr-canr.organd
the e-cat site. The first is a service to the community, the other is
for selling goods.
What is wrong with selling goods?!?
Do you have some
Peter Heckert's post is interesting! But I still don't think Rossi can
even get a law suit heard in the United States if I were to call him a
scammer which of course I have not done. I said he *may* be scamming.
That isn't really arguable (and also it doesn't say much).
What is wrong with
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and deceptive
advertising.
Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are
talking about Steorn.
Also with saying you sold something when you didn't.
Do you have any
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 7:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course nothing. But there is a lot wrong with misleading and
deceptive advertising.
Rossi has not done any advertising as far as I know. Perhaps you are
talking about
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com
On 2011-11-12 00:39, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
For me this looks like a bad joke. It is not nice to do a fan page
that superficially looks like authentic page.
It turns out it's really an official website:
* * *
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Leonardo-ECat.com Official Website Launched
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com
Gee. I looked all over for an order form, a price list and a PayPal Logo
and darn... no luck. Oh and:
Page posted by Sterling Allan http://sterlingdallan.com/, PES Network,
Inc.
Auch! sorry Akira you already noticed!
2011/11/12 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com:
Look down on the pages:
Page by Hank Mills and Sterling Allan, PES Network, Inc.
Just like PESN: an old fashioned, '90s looking site...
mic
2011/11/12 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
Major
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote:
For me this looks like a bad joke. It is not nice to do a fan page
that superficially looks like authentic page.
It does look like a bad joke but look at this from there:
Welcome to the homepage of Andrea Rossi,
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Major kewl!
Yah. Looks like a camp stove.
I find this very interesting. Where is there a scam here?
http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/Products/1MW_Plant/index.html
*Purchase Terms*
* Price: 2,000 Euros per kilowatt.
* 1 MW plant. Only under approved circumstances will smaller sizes be
considered, but no less than 100 kW.
* Full
Uhho... this is going to cause a lot of trouble for sure. Wait until the
universities hear about it!
Now I really do wonder if Rossi ever saw it before it went live. Ah
well... we'll know soon.
Leonardo Corp Personnel
Ing. Andrea A.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
I find this very interesting. Where is there a scam here?
Oh ok. Let's order one. How do I do that exactly? (medium to small
please, one each)
Digging in to the html code, the headers tell it all about quality...
made with FrontPage software that was discontinued in 2003!
head
meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=windows-1252
meta name=GENERATOR content=Microsoft FrontPage 4.0
meta name=ProgId
Site says 100 kw min.
Rossi gets nothing until the unit meets specifications.
AG
On 11/12/2011 10:23 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
I find this very interesting. Where is there a
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Site says 100 kw min.
Rossi gets nothing until the unit meets specifications.
Right. Steorn said something like that too. They never delivered and they
have kept and spent €20 million of investor money along
The money goes into a escrow account. You understand what that means?
AG
On 11/12/2011 10:34 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Site says 100 kw min.
Rossi gets nothing until the
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Major kewl!
Yah. Looks like a camp stove.
It actually looks like a Coleman camp stove had sex with a Honda generator!
T
Mary I can 100% assure you that if I was ordering a plant from Rossi and
my money was in a escrow account, Rossi would not get 1 dollar of that
money until the plant fully passed the pre agreed performance
conditions. I would expect every other purchaser would be the same.
I would suggest
The design is dated, as is the software used to create it: Microsoft
Frontpage 4.0 (circa 2000).
The domain appears to be hosted on pair.com, which is a step up from
stayhosted ...
I suspect that Mr. Rossi is following the advice of friends, and is
not providing the best possible
venue for his
Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck does
the validity of the E-Cat have to do with the software that was used to
create the web site or who the web site was created by or who it is
administered by?
I suggest the sales and payment conditions has just totally taken
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
Digging in to the html code, the headers tell it all about quality...
made with FrontPage software that was discontinued in 2003!
I do not see why that matters.
For LENR-CANR.org I use Borland Delphi 4, discontinued in 1999. I sometimes
tweak
Oct / Nov sure has been interesting:
06 Oct - Single E-Cat module demo
28 Oct - 1 MW E-Cat plant demo with first sales announcement
10 Nov - NI announcement
12 Nov - E-Cat web site up with sales / payment conditions that destroys
those that call scam / fraud
This E-Cat powered train has left
Nothing wrong with old programmers and old engineers. Cut by first code
on a 8008 system that I designed and built. Had a whole 256 bytes of
ram. Put the program in with switches. Now that is old code.
AG
On 11/12/2011 11:56 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
Kullander will talk about the ecat on 11/23.
2011/11/11 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Oct / Nov sure has been interesting:
06 Oct - Single E-Cat module demo
28 Oct - 1 MW E-Cat plant demo with first sales announcement
10 Nov - NI announcement
12 Nov - E-Cat web site up with
On 11/12/2011 11:36 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck does
the validity of the E-Cat have to do with the software that was used to
create the web site or who the web site was created by or who it is
administered by?
Because it indicates
Hey! I still use FP 2003 too!
I don't have time to upgrade. Higher priorities.
Regards
Svj
Orionworks.com
Sent from my iPad
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It actually looks like a Coleman camp stove had sex with a Honda
generator!
I love it!
What is really exciting is the anxiety among the s(c)eptics. It is
far more entertaining than any reality show on the boobtube!
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck does the
validity of the E-Cat have to do with the software that was used to create
the web site or who the web site was created by or who it is
Mary you don't get it do you? Rossi is not selling to the public.
Rossi's customers are engineering firms that I will assure you will not
part with 1 dollar unless the E-Cat plant meets their min agreed conditions.
Spin this any way you try but your time here claiming scam / fraud is
over.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It actually looks like a Coleman camp stove had sex with a Honda
generator!
I love it!
What is really exciting is the anxiety among the
Spin this any way you try but your time here claiming scam / fraud is over.
Sure. When you can name one customer with some reputation for credibility
and they prove they've done a proper test -- but not before, OK?
Someone at Ecatnews.com pointed out that the web site is so bad that
someone
You mean this:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=svsl=svtl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oru.se%2FKalendarium%2FStartsida-Kalendarium%2Foffentliga-forelasningar%2FOffentliga-forelasningar-Morgondagens-karnkraft---blir-den-kall-eller-varm-%2F
Should be interesting but I expect more news to surface
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It actually looks like a Coleman camp stove had sex with a Honda
For us Aussies, yesterday was Remembrance Day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day
Whole country stopped for 1 minute to remember fallen mates. :(
AG
On 11/12/2011 12:39 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
... Today has been declared National Corduroy Day since 11/11/11/
looks so much like
On 2011-11-12 02:26, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[...]
You got a problem with retro-looking HTML? You got a problem with old
programs, and old programmers?
The problem is not only that it's retro-looking (it actually is,
however, since this is definitely not an intentional thing), but mainly
that
If Steorn was operating a scam, why have they not been charged?
Harry
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote:
For us Aussies, yesterday was Remembrance Day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day
Whole country stopped for 1 minute to remember fallen mates. :(
Australia has always been an ally in the fight for
Please tell me how Rossi can scam a engineering firm E-Cat sales
customer with his payment terms? He can't. Everything else you say has
no real meaning or value. Rossi knows the meat in the sandwich is the
meeting the claimed COP 6 performance. No one really cares who is or who
is not on the
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
If Steorn was operating a scam, why have they not been charged?
I don't know. If you look at their history, it's clearly a scam. They
also have contempt for their marks because they joke about them tacitly.
Perhaps
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
Please tell me how Rossi can scam a engineering firm
Perhaps I wasn't clear. I suggested he may have scammed investors, not an
engineering firm. Was some part of that in need of further elaboration?
You have suggested Rossi may have scammed investors? Bold statement
there Mary. Care to disclose your proof as otherwise you may have just
committed Defamation and I'm sure the Vortex administrators will not
wish to be involved in hosting defamatory comments.
A bit of advise Mary, if I may,
Rossi does not have investors and doesn't need them right now.
2011/11/12 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
You have suggested Rossi may have scammed investors? Bold statement there
Mary. Care to disclose your proof as otherwise you may have just committed
Defamation and I'm sure the
You have suggested Rossi may have scammed investors? Bold statement there
Mary. Care to disclose your proof as otherwise you may have just committed
Defamation and I'm sure the Vortex administrators will not wish to be
involved in hosting defamatory comments.
A bit of advise Mary, if I may,
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice to see the web site is registered to Rossi but what the heck does the
validity of the E-Cat have to do with the software that was used to create
the web site or who the web site was created by or who it is administered
by?
I agree, very little.
You claimed Rossi may have scammed investors. Prove it or stop making up
statement that you may wish to be real.
BTW to engineers, he has proved the E-Cat works and that is all he needs
to do. Why? Because his customers are engineering firms who do know how
to measure the heat the E-Cat
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat
aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote:
You claimed Rossi may have scammed investors. Prove it or stop making up
statement that you may wish to be real.
You're making stuff up. I already said I wish Rossi would be real. And
yes, he may have scammed
Rossi does not have investors and never asked for them
-- Forwarded message --
From: Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/11/12
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi E-Cat web site up
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
You claimed Rossi may have scammed investors. Prove it or stop making
I think Steorn stumbled upon a real anomally but they erred in assuming
that measurement alone was sufficient to demonstrate the reality of energy
creation.
Harry
at 9:34 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:
If
Mary you just do not get it do you? You can't go around saying you think
Rossi may have scammed investors. That is defamation. You don't know if
he has any investors, do you? You don't know how he raised his funding
do you? Well he did that by selling a business and selling his house.
AG
On
Aussie Guy, if you keep insisting that Rossi asked around for investors,
you are provoking troll attacks, because you are creating a strawman for
Rossi. Thus, you are helping with the mess around here.
2011/11/12 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Mary you just do not get it do you? You
Ka? I never said Rossi was looking for investors or had any. From what I
have read he doesn't need them and has self funded this project.
AG
On 11/12/2011 2:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Aussie Guy, if you keep insisting that Rossi asked around for
investors, you are provoking troll attacks,
You answer to someone as you were acknowledging such fact.
2011/11/12 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Ka? I never said Rossi was looking for investors or had any. From what I
have read he doesn't need them and has self funded this project.
AG
On 11/12/2011 2:26 PM, Daniel Rocha
I cautioned that making statements of scamming investors, when those
statement can not be proven, is defamation. My statements in no way give
support to those making scamming statements.
AG
On 11/12/2011 2:41 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
You answer to someone as you were acknowledging such fact.
But you cannot say that is defamatory if there is no investors.
2011/11/12 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
I cautioned that making statements of scamming investors, when those
statement can not be proven, is defamation. My statements in no way give
support to those making scamming
Defamation is the act of making a false statements with the intent to
cause loss of reputation plus a few more. Suggesting to someone that the
statement they just made may be defamatory, in no way supports the
defamatory statement.
AG
On 11/12/2011 2:57 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
But you
Would you give me a practical example? I just cannot understand how can
someone lose reputation with something it doesn't exist.
2011/11/12 Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com
Defamation is the act of making a false statements with the intent to
cause loss of reputation plus a few more.
That is the point. Rossi committed no act of scamming, so claiming Rossi
had scammed is the act of defamation with intent to cause loss of
reputation.
AG
On 11/12/2011 3:29 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
Would you give me a practical example? I just cannot understand how
can someone lose
Yikes!
Defamation would be: Rossi is a scammer
A personal opinion and perfectly legal: Rossi may be a scammer (also he
may not be one). Freedom of speech on that one, I think.
Really -- I had this issue come up before and I checked with an attorney
who specializes in it. There's no
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