Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-09 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Mary Yugo I dedicate this rap song to you and the skeptics in this list: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAYVY2eLMckfeature=related Giovanni On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo asked a sensible question: Why are these people wearing overcoats

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Yes… after careful consideration, watching your behavior here and other places, and other sources, and numerous attempts to explain to you the purpose of this forum, which you just choose to ignore, that is my conclusion. If you’d care to take an anonymous vote of forum members, I would be happy

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Vorl Bek
I think MY is doing a good job here. If it were not for her, Cude, and a few others, this place would see a frenzy of chicken-counting before the hatching takes place, at least when it comes to Rossi.

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread zer tte
Don't you know ? Vortex is the number one place for Rossi Fans. Ooopps, sorry, i thought you we're talking about Valentino. From: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simple, even

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Vorl Bek I think MY is doing a good job here. If it were not for her, Cude, and a few others, this place would see a frenzy of chicken-counting before the hatching takes place, at least when it comes to Rossi. Ya' know... Vorl is correct about this, but in a

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: Regarding MY: ... No, I do not see your point. Your comment seems idiotic. Why are you quibbling about this? You can see this is a test. You keep demanding tests. When he does one, you demand it should not be a test but a practical application instead. I think you are arguing for

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread francis
[snip] Many of us suspected this all along - that the technology is real but the implementation is ... not just premature, but closer to an abortion. [/snip] I would also put the MAHG in this same category , IMHO the enabling geometry is self destructing in both cases. I don't know if the

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- There has been way too much chicken-counting here. Yet, since this is an advocacy group - its mission is not to prejudge and chastise - and this situation provide an inherent conflict in

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I think you are being silly. Of course I am. I am pointing out that it's also silly to stand in a small room shivering in overcoats in the presence of a machine claimed to make (I forget the claim for that model)

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Vorl, RE: frenzied chicken counting... I suggest you go back in the Vortex-l archive to ~Feb 2011, and start reading. This is long *before* MY showed up, and you will find plenty of skepticism from the usual contributors here, including myself. There were postings about Petroldragon, the

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Alan Fletcher
No, we count the eggs. If some are hidden then we try to estimate how they are packed in the nest, to estimate the total number. We analyze the photographs to determine their size. We try to determine the species from the size, colour and pattern. From the size we calculate the mass, and

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
That was hilarious Alan, and oh so descriptive of what we do here.. or most of us try to do here! Excellent and amusing analogy... -Mark -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher [mailto:a...@well.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:43 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Eric Walker
Hi everyone! Interesting list, to say the least. I like Mary Yugo's contributions, even if some of you feel that she's trolling or quibbling. I don't agree with some of her conclusions, but more often than not she raises interesting points that are helpful to take into account, making her

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Welcome Eric, Thx for the feedback… this seems to be your first post. A few questions if I may… 1) How long have you been monitoring this forum before posting? That is not a bad thing; most are a little timid to post until after having monitored the forum for a little while; getting to know

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi is quite clear that his target is to make a million units in calendar year 2012. Defkalion are quite clear about a target for 300,000 larger and more powerful machines in about the same time frame. That is incorrect. Defkalion hopes to build a

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: No, we count the eggs. If some are hidden then we try to estimate how they are packed in the nest, to estimate the total number. We analyze the photographs to determine their size. . . . Well said! I hope we can do more, soon. I hope to provide more solid

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Eric Walker
Hi Mark, Thanks for the welcome. Replies inline. On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Welcome Eric, Thx for the feedback… this seems to be your first post. A few questions if I may… 1) How long have you been monitoring this forum

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-07 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Thanks for the answers, and welcome aboard! I think 2012 will be a most important turning point… As far as ‘rules’ see: http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html#rules Bill Beaty http://amasci.com/billb.html is the list founder and appreciates any contributions to help pay for keeping

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Mary Yugo asked a sensible question: Why are these people wearing overcoats standing next to a 12 kW heater? She then said: This is sort of a trivial matter and can't be settled for sure without cooperation from

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Hold on a moment. Rossi is SELLING THESE AS HEATERS (if he ever sells them). And also, he claimed to have one HEATING HIS FACTORY when he wrote his patent and he again claimed to have one HEATING A ROOM currently as per his blog. Yes. I have a photo

RE: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-06 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
She's an insignificant troll. nothing more. -m From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things Mary Yugo

Re: [Vo]:Simple, even simple-minded tests can be a great help in understanding these things

2012-01-06 Thread Mary Yugo
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: She’s an insignificant troll… nothing more. Was that a calculated statement? Your behavior is so intelligent and dignified statement, Mark. You should be proud of it and of yourself.