Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Bob Higgins
Lest we not forget ... A field was never a physical thing. Fields have always been a mathematical artifice used to describe/visualize the action at a distance supplied by charges - stationary and in motion. According to Hotson, these actions at a distance are all transmitted by the essentially

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Jones Beene
Well said. I love it when Hotson is quoted. He was intuitive about bringing Dirac’s mathematics down to earth, that he must have addressed the DDL – but a quick google turns up nothing specific. From: Bob Higgins Lest we not forget ... A field was never a physical thing. Fields

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well said. I love it when Hotson is quoted. Especially someone as knowledgeable as Professor Higgins!

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 18 Aug 2014 18:19:53 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Actually no place in the Universe is completely free of fields. Another possibility is that there is no such thing as a field. You've been reading CC.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 18 Aug 2014 23:11:51 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] And, it is possible to create an opposite field to balance out that natural one that is measured within a small location in space. This is done with pairs of coils, etc. Dave There isn't just a

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 18 Aug 2014 23:11:51 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] And, it is possible to create

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
radiation. That acceleration can readily be due to an external electric field or a magnetic field that is directed properly. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread David Roberson
True, and that energy finds itself being radiated into open space. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Circular motion produces

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Circular motion produces acceleration and requires energy to maintain. On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 6:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: At any point in space

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread David Roberson
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 6:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Not necessarily. If the energy can be focused into a tight beam that negates the inverse square law, energy pumped into a rotating particle system can greatly amplify

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-19 Thread Axil Axil
6:54 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Not necessarily. If the energy can be focused into a tight beam that negates the inverse square law, energy pumped into a rotating particle system can greatly amplify both the power carried by photons and the field carried by virtual

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread Axil Axil
momentum into linear momentum or vice versa. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 9 Aug 2014 12:40:38

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread David Roberson
janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 2:36 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism http://arxiv.org/pdf/1212.5465v2.pdf I think what you are looking for is a half soliton or a plasmoid. Both form a majorana spinner type quasiparticle where

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 17 Aug 2014 23:22:45 -0400 (EDT): Hi, Actually no place in the Universe is completely free of fields. Of course a particle moving within a magnetic or electric field emits radiation due to acceleration. This is the normal behavior and I was

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Actually no place in the Universe is completely free of fields. Another possibility is that there is no such thing as a field.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just valleys and hills in a wave On Monday, August 18, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com javascript:; wrote: Actually no place in the Universe is completely free of fields. Another possibility is that there is no such thing

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread Terry Blanton
Couldn't you, being the creative person you are, explain all interactions by some form of quantum entanglement? On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Just valleys and hills in a wave On Monday, August 18, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread ChemE Stewart
Yes, I mean no. Uncertain. On Monday, August 18, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Couldn't you, being the creative person you are, explain all interactions by some form of quantum entanglement? On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:;

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Ooooh, timely. Two Drums and a symbol walk off a cliff Ba-dum-tssst http://instantrimshot.com/ Click the red-button On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I mean no. Uncertain. On Monday, August 18, 2014, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread David Roberson
, Aug 18, 2014 6:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:15 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Actually no place in the Universe is completely free of fields. Another possibility is that there is no such thing as a field.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Another possibility is that there is no such thing as a field. What would we do without fields? If there is no such thing, what replaces them? Eric

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-17 Thread David Roberson
of converting angular momentum into linear momentum or vice versa. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 6:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 9 Aug

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-17 Thread David Roberson
particle. Combinations can radiate if their spin states can be lowered in net energy. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism In reply to David Roberson's

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-16 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 9 Aug 2014 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] I guess that spin energy is strongly associated with angular momentum while thermal energy tends to be considered associated with linear momentum. Off centre linear momentum is angular momentum. Regards,

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-16 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 9 Aug 2014 13:15:37 -0400 (EDT): Hi, That is the model that I try to understand Axil. But I do not believe that an isolated single moving particle can emit thermal energy directly. ...unless it happens to be in a magnetic field, in which case it

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-11 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- You may be right. However, Rossi in later demos was upset at observers trying to monitor the radiation from his 2011 test as I recall. In addition Focardi was advising Rossi at that time and had been helping him for some time before that with theory of the reaction. Focardi

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-11 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, The best answer for the “Celani incident” three years ago - and the burst of radiation detected then, is that initially - Rossi required radiation triggering in order to start the reaction, but once started, the source was not needed. Thus the incident with Celani is fully explained.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-11 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- Thanks for that bit of Vortex history. I tend to believe what Focardi said. I wonder about your best explanation of the Celani incident. Has there been a statement from Rossi or Focardi before his passing to agree with your conclusion? Bob Sent from Windows Mail

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-11 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, You are travelling to Bologna soon, correct? I’m sure you will be in a good position to find out exactly what happened. Please let us know. From: Bob Cook Jones-- Thanks for that bit of Vortex history. I tend to believe what Focardi said. I wonder about your

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-11 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I have my list of questions already and need to prioritize I’ll report back.. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎August‎ ‎11‎, ‎2014 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Bob, You are travelling to Bologna soon, correct? I’m sure you

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Bob Cook
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I wrote: If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. Sorry -- +/- 0.21 eV. (I need a personal editor

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook Keep in mind that Rossi claims low energy radiation that could be from positron-electron decay Bob, That claim was dropped years ago. Do you see it after mid-2013? In fact, in an early test at Bologna, an expert was employed with a specialized detector for

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I wrote: If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. Sorry -- +/- 0.21 eV. (I need

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
might have some input that would be helpful. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I wrote: If this value is accurate

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Regarding one of Dave’s questions yesterday regarding spin interactions, it has been my thought that orbital spin momentum can be changed into intrinsic spin angular momentum without any violation of spin conservation.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Both linear and angular momentum are conserved through the emission of muon neutrinos as the meson decays to a negative muon. It is this muon that catalyzes fusion of hydrogen in the proton proton (PP) reaction.

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
Remember the conservation of Byron number. Nature has specific rules for particle interactions and decays, and these rules have been summarized in terms of conservation laws. One of the most important of these is the conservation of baryon number. Each of the baryons is assigned a baryon number

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
In the explanation of the Piantelli reaction , Piantelli has a hydrogen negative ion catalyzing the fusion reaction. I wonder if all the conservation laws are conserved in this reaction? I seems to me that an object as complicated as a negative hydrogen ion would participate in a reaction with all

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Piantelli needs to lay out how all the conservation laws are maintained in his reaction. It would also be nice if someone knowledgeable about hydrinos can explain how an electron (spin=+/- 1/2) becomes a photon (spin=0) at

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-10 Thread Axil Axil
I seems to me that an object as complicated as a negative hydrogen ion would participate in a reaction with all the conservation laws conserved. should read I seems to me that an object as complicated as a negative hydrogen ion would find it very hard to participate in a reaction with all the

Re: [Vo]:An good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Bob Cook
Interesting comparisons. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎8‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎54‎ ‎AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com In automotive engineering, there are several idealized energy transfer cycles which involve four clearly segmented stages of engine

Re: [Vo]:An good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Well done, Jones! Creativity works with bisociations (see Kostler) Peter On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In automotive engineering, there are several idealized energy transfer cycles which involve four clearly segmented stages of engine operation. For

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
Thanks Peter and Bob. Here are a couple of additional thoughts on an emerging nanomagnetism hypothesis. Nanomagnetism can be operational parallel to other processes in any experiment, even a novel form of “fusion” if that exists. Nanomagnetism can be part of a dynamical Casimir effect as

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Peter Gluck
dear Jones This was your second remarkable and citable idea during recent days- the first being your Mizuno D/Ni review/synthesis. ONLY NEW IDEAS CAN SAVE LENR! Peter On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Thanks Peter and Bob. Here are a couple of additional

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
The most important unsolved problem in physics is arguably proton/quark spin dynamics. The superset of this problem is underappreciated – variability of proton mass. It is a surprise to many scientists that quark mass is highly variable and apparently has been for billions of years …

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Very interesting, creates a greater context of our problems, but we have specific problems too. I have just started to write a paper about the roots (more local) of LENR 's problems. Storms considers my air poisoning hypothesis also a silly distraction but we are unable to get reproducible

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
must be available. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 11:20 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism The most importantunsolved problem in physics is arguably proton/quark spin

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
that leads to the release of the stored energy and methods to enhance that process must be available. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 11:20 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson * *I want to ask you about your thougths about the variation in proton mass. Should the variation be measurable with high sensitivity mass spectrometers? Yes and no. This is not unlike the problem of mass-4 similarity between D2 and He but

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism The spin of the proton is the big puzzle in particle physics. The quarks in the proton contribute less than half of the required

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism The spin of the proton is the big puzzle in particle physics. The quarks in the proton contribute less than half of the required proton spin. The gluons contribute

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
as I try to connect the dots. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:14 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From: David Roberson * *I want to ask

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:14 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From: David Roberson * * I want to ask you about your thougths about the variation in proton mass. Should the variation be measurable with high

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
on, but this is the way my mind processes interactive ideas as I try to connect the dots. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:14 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
as I try to connect the dots. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:14 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From: David Roberson * *I want to ask you about

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
, but is the same true for momentum? I suspect not. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I assert that the magnetic component of matter as released

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin? I assert that this is the underlying mechanism of LENR. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM, David Roberson

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
, but is the same true for momentum? I suspect not. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I assert that the magnetic component of matter as released

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism *Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin?* I assert that this is the underlying mechanism of LENR. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM, David Roberson dlrober

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism *Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin?* I assert that this is the underlying mechanism of LENR. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:40 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Thermal motion produces infrared photons that are central to the LENT reaction. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Thermal motion produces infrared photons that are central to the LENT reaction. On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *Can random thermal motion ever be converted into spin?* I assert that this is the underlying

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
forms, but is the same true for momentum? I suspect not. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I assert that the magnetic component

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism If energy comes from the strong force, and gluons, the force carrier of the strong force also carry spin, then magnetic energy can carry the energy derived from the strong force, that energy is nuclear

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism If energy comes from the strong force, and gluons, the force carrier of the strong force also carry spin, then magnetic energy

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:18 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The wiki article seems to tie down the proton mass quite accurately, but it may just be the accuracy of the calculation instead of actual measurements. I would be interested in seeing actual mass measurements by real

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. Sorry -- +/- 0.21 eV. (I need a personal editor.) Eric

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
Another point to add to this thread -- it's kind of a cool idea to think there might be different energy levels for the proton (or neutron). I gather that the idea is that the constituent particles of the proton (currently believed to be quarks) can be in different states of angular momentum (in

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: I gather that the idea is that ... some kind of shell model [is involved]. Another analogy that might be relevant -- there could be different isotopes for protons and neutrons, e.g., bound states with differing numbers of quarks. Eric

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker * The wiki article gives the proton (rest) mass as being 938.272046(21) MeV/c^2 * If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. That is CODATA. Of course, it is no less accurate than any of

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: That is CODATA. Of course, it is no less accurate than any of the others. Unfortunately, it is no more accurate either. How can it be when quarks have variable mass? Variability in the mass of the quark does not prevent an

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
The energy from LENR comes from gluons. The standard model of physics got it right when it predicted where the mass of ordinary matter comes from, according to a massive new computational effort. Particle physics explains that the bulk of atoms is made up of protons and neutrons, which are

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I wrote: If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. Sorry -- +/- 0.21 eV. (I need a personal editor.) Eric

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 9 Aug 2014 06:55:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] We can note that Cravens adds samarium-cobalt to his active mix. This material is permanently magnetized. You might also note that natural Samarium contains two long lived radioactive isotopes, Sm-147 (15%) Sm-148

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker … How can it be when quarks have variable mass? Variability in the mass of the quark does not prevent an accurate proton mass from being specified. What it does is places a bound on the numerical precision that an accurate proton mass value can have You still

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
coupling and magnetic field interaction. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism Another point to add to this thread -- it's kind of a cool

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 5:36 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From:Eric Walker Ø Thewiki article gives the proton (rest) mass as being 938.272046(21) MeV/c^2 Ø Ifthis value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV touse

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread David Roberson
energy over eons. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 6:04 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From:Eric Walker …How can it be when quarks have variable mass

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 6:04 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism *From:* Eric Walker … How can it be when quarks have variable mass? Variability in the mass

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com We can note that Cravens adds samarium-cobalt to his active mix. This material is permanently magnetized. You might also note that natural Samarium contains two long lived radioactive isotopes, Sm-147 (15%) Sm-148 (11%), both of which decay

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil 99% of the proton mass comes from the gluon binding energy. I just want to add more detail about why the proton is heavier than the three constituent quarks that make up the proton… Nonsense. Where did that bogon come from? It must be a typo…

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
Energy states are always quantized based on a quantum number so that there will be ascending levels of energy in the protons.

RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Jones Beene
Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 5:36 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism From: Eric Walker * The wiki article gives the proton (rest) mass as being 938.272046(21) MeV/c^2 * If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: ... the proton which will then constitute a normal proton again with 3 quarks. My recollection is that there are three valence quarks which contribute to the charge and spin of the proton, together with a multitude of sea

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2014/jul/11/gluons-get-in-on-proton-spin Gluons get in on proton spin New research shows that gluons carry most of the protons spin snip In the latest work, a group of theorists – Daniel de Florian http://users.df.uba.ar/deflo/deflo/main.html, from the

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
of being able to somehow extract this source of energy? Jones, I think you might have some input that would be helpful. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy

Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism

2014-08-09 Thread Axil Axil
eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 9, 2014 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A good analogy for nanomagnetism I wrote: If this value is accurate, at that precision I believe we have +/- 1 0.21 eV to use for free energy speculation. Sorry -- +/- 0.21 eV. (I