On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Kowalski does not believe that the tracks he found were caused by
electrolysis. He considers that one possible explanation. Kowalski is quite
careful. He is looking at clusters. Oriani reported some clusters, but
At 05:04 PM 10/11/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote:
Abd,
When a neutrino collides with a hydrogen proton you get a triple
track. See photo on wilkipedia from 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrinohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino
It might produce a triple track with some detectors.
http://www.bubbletech.ca/radiation_detectors_files/bubble_detectors.html
No etching required on this product; real time response. This product may
be easier to use than CR39. Cheers: Axil
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
CR39 is very hard to use. It
At 04:05 PM 10/13/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Abd, your comments prodded me to read Oriani's
paper more closely and to dig around for
Kowalski's attempted replication. Â I see that
there are several papers with Kowalski as author
or coauthor that mention Oriani, and I wasn't
sure which one you
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Actually, you do. Is there a minimum current at which the effect appears?
Does the effect scale with current? If there is no scaling with current,
there would still need to be some minimum current or it's not
I wrote:
The first thing he found was that there were tracks he believed to be
caused by electrolysis and not ambient radioisotopes or cosmic things
That's supposed to be cosmic rays.
Eric
At 06:45 PM 10/14/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman
Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Actually, you do. Is there a minimum current at
which the effect appears? Does the effect scale
with current? If there is no scaling with
At 03:34 PM 10/14/2012, Axil Axil wrote:
http://www.bubbletech.ca/radiation_detectors_files/bubble_detectors.html
No etching required on this product; real time response. This
product may be easier to use than CR39.
In some ways. However, I'm not sure how sensitive it is to neutrons.
The
At 06:47 PM 10/14/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
I wrote:
Â
The first thing he found was that there were
tracks he believed to be caused by electrolysis
and not ambient radioisotopes or cosmic things
That's supposed to be cosmic rays.
Interesting, though. Rays implies, to me,
electromagnetic
Abd, your comments prodded me to read Oriani's paper more closely and to
dig around for Kowalski's attempted replication. I see that there are
several papers with Kowalski as author or coauthor that mention Oriani, and
I wasn't sure which one you had in mind. It might be [1], but in that one
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:41:29 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the
following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could
easily migrate
through the interstitial spaces in solid matter, and
At 04:25 PM 10/8/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:22:22 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
At 03:55 PM 10/7/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
While what you say is true, a track created by a single proton is not
necessarily indicative of neutrons, as
At 04:30 PM 10/8/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:56:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
These materials are not sensitive to energetic photons, i.e., gamma rays.
Gammas are absorbed by all solid matter to some extent, during which process
Abd,
When a neutrino collides with a hydrogen proton you get a triple track.
See photo on wilkipedia from 1970.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino
Cold fusion is the production of neutrinos, which are also considered a
dark matter candidate. They are colliding with Hydrogen and also
At 11:00 AM 10/8/2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Well, one wonders if some of the triple tracks have not been
misidentified, given the known miniscule cross-section of C-12 for thermal
neutrons and lack of fast neutrons in LENR. There are simply too many triple
tracks for even a year of exposure$B!D(J
At 10:15 PM 10/8/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Oriani also talks about tracks generated within
the CR-39 chip itself in his Pd/D and Ni/D
electrolysis experiments [1]. Â He also mentions
tracks appearing in chips that are in the anode
compartment of a subdivided cell, well away from
the cathode,
At 10:15 PM 10/8/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Oriani also talks about ...
Eric
[1]Â
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdfhttp://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol6.pdf,
p. 108 ff. Â See his conclusion on p. 115-16.
I should note that I had not read Oriani's recent review of his own work.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
I don't think Oriani used control cells. I think you made that up, Eric,
by not reading his paper carefully. If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate
correction, but I did review this fairly carefully before, looking as well
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the
following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily
migrate
through the interstitial spaces in solid matter, and then undergo fusion
reactions
That's the behavior I believe can happen if this collapsed state of matter,
call it what you want, can tunnel through collapse/decay other matter.
Best some type of magnetic and/or inertial confinement like Miley has
contracted with NASA to do. Maybe suspend it in a reactor, feed it
hydrogen
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2012 20:10:30 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the
following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily
migrate
In reply to ChemE Stewart's message of Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:18:58 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
That's the behavior I believe can happen if this collapsed state of matter,
call it what you want, can tunnel through collapse/decay other matter.
The Hydrino molecule is extremely stable, to the point of being
Well, one wonders if some of the triple tracks have not been
misidentified, given the known miniscule cross-section of C-12 for thermal
neutrons and lack of fast neutrons in LENR. There are simply too many triple
tracks for even a year of exposure…
WERE IT NOT FOR THE INTERPRETATION. Is it valid
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 07 Oct 2012 23:56:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
These materials are not sensitive to energetic photons, i.e., gamma rays.
Gammas are absorbed by all solid matter to some extent, during which process
energetic electrons are usually produced, which should
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:00:07 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Well, one wonders if some of the triple tracks have not been
misidentified, given the known miniscule cross-section of C-12 for thermal
neutrons and lack of fast neutrons in LENR. There are simply too many triple
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:00:07 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
If you look carefully at the images the bubbles are NOT compatible with
three identical ions (in mass/energy) and they should be if there were
really three alphas.
When a neutron breaks a C12 nucleus into 3 alphas,
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
That may be true according to conventional wisdom, however consider the
following possibility. Severely shrunken Hydrino molecules could easily
migrate
through the interstitial spaces in solid matter, and then undergo fusion
reactions
Robin
The cross-section for alpha emission from carbon is way too small for the
explanation you suggest.
Wiki sez: in the radiation detection application, CR-39 material is exposed
to proton recoils caused by incident neutrons. The proton recoils cause ion
tracks, which are enlarged by an
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 7 Oct 2012 07:32:37 -0700:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
Robin
The cross-section for alpha emission from carbon is way too small for the
explanation you suggest.
Wiki sez: in the radiation detection application, CR-39 material is exposed
to proton recoils caused by
At 04:50 PM 10/6/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
CR39 is very hard to use. It is not for dummies or beginners. That's
the take home lesson I learned after listening to 2 days of
discussion on CR32 by experts.
CR39 is difficult to *interpret*. It's also a pain to etch. As
normally used, CR39 is
At 05:07 PM 10/6/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
AFAIK fast neutrons are detected by the fact that they occasionally
break a C12
nucleus into 3 alpha particles. It is the three alpha particles that produce
three cone shaped tracks in the CR39, with a common origin. Note that only
charged
At 09:32 AM 10/7/2012, Jones Beene wrote:
Robin
The cross-section for alpha emission from carbon is way too small for the
explanation you suggest.
Apparently not. Triple tracks are not common, though. If you are not
familiar with it, you should read the SPAWAR publications, including
the
At 03:55 PM 10/7/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
While what you say is true, a track created by a single proton is not
necessarily indicative of neutrons, as the track could be caused by
any reaction
producing a proton, or any charged particle for that matter. However
the triple
track created
CR39 is very hard to use. It is not for dummies or beginners. That's the
take home lesson I learned after listening to 2 days of discussion on CR32
by experts.
There is a reason people invented electronic particle detectors and stopped
using the analog ones such as CR39. A lot of reasons,
Hi Axil,
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-5655.pdf
Samples are chemically etched then tracks are counted using a microscope.
I guess it'll be hard to find a guide for dummies.
Cheers.
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