On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
In the years before August 8, 1908, the Wrights often flew before large
crowds of people in Dayton, OH, including leading citizens who signed
affidavits saying they had seen the flights. The longest flight was 24 miles
in
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
Rothwell The data clearly shows that some cells produce heat after death,
and other do not. What does not make sense here is your demand that all
cells do this.
Cude It's not a demand. It's an identification of an
Joshua,
based on our constructive discussions re
testing the E-cat I have sent the sketch of a protiocol for this experiment
to Vortex.but you have not noticed it and have not commented it any way-
even not I ma not interested more Because I think such experiments are
important- here it is again.
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua,
based on our constructive discussions re
testing the E-cat I have sent the sketch of a protiocol for this experiment
to Vortex.but you have not noticed it and have not commented it any way-
even not I ma not
Dear Joshua,
OK, I see our modes of thinking are not compatible. I cannot conceive such
experiments without measurements, I think the large container is a bad idea
and anti-technical, and I believe far analogies are not good in real problem
solving.
But otherwise I have to thank you for
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe you weren't paying attention. Lomax referred to the Mckubre data in a
particular pdf on your site, and I said in that data, which is held in such
high regard, it doesn't make sense that the power drops so quickly when the
current is shut off,
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The data clearly shows that some cells produce heat after death, and other
do not. What does not make sense here is your demand that all cells do
this.
It's not a demand. It's an identification of an inconsistency.
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
But some claims, if real, can be demonstrated in a simple and obvious way.
CF and heavier than air flight are two examples. When such demonstrations
should be possible but are absent, and there is no
From: Joshua Cude
I should add that even if some people consider the results to be
reproducible and theoretically consistent (which is certainly the case), the
absence of a simple demonstration, when one is possible, would still be
cause for skepticism.
Finally at bit of insight
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Everyone on this forum, by now, should realize that nothing short of
closing the loop will convince the majority of skeptics, and with COP in the
range of 6, any grad student could pull that off at one tenth the cost of a
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote
A suspicious observer might say Rossi reduced his promised COP to 6 from 30 to
give him an excuse for requiring an input; for why he can't close the loop.
His problem isn't GETTING the COP -- it's CONTROLLING it. It
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The data clearly shows that some cells produce heat after death, and
other do not. What does not make sense here is your demand that all cells do
this.
It's not a demand. It's an identification of an inconsistency.
It is not inconsistent. You do
Alan Fletcher wrote:
A suspicious observer might say Rossi reduced his promised COP to 6 from
30 to give him an excuse for requiring an input; for why he can't close
the loop.
His problem isn't GETTING the COP -- it's CONTROLLING it. It has to be
unconditionally stable -- and the original
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
No, that is not a bit implausible. This is like saying that because a
racing car can go 150 mph on a track, Jed's 1994 Geo Metro should be able to
drive at 150 mph on Peachtree Industrial Boulevard.
No. It's like saying
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
His problem isn't GETTING the COP -- it's CONTROLLING it. It has to be
unconditionally stable -- and the original eCAT wasn't doing that.
It's very easy to produce stable electricity from extremely unstable
sources. One way
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
For credibility, Rossi must CLOSE THE LOOP – anything less is a waste of
time and resources.
Only if he is trying to prove a point. I don't think he is trying to
prove a point. I think he wants to produce product.
T
Joshua, and all others who are trying to get to the bottom of this -
If there is one report that everyone interested in Rossi/E-Cat should read,
it is the 1994 final Thermacore report to DARPA. Final Report, SBIR Phase
I, Nascent Hydrogen: An Energy Source.
Unfortunately it is not on the Web
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I myself consider this demand absurd. [self-running]
You would have to to continue believing in CF, considering in 22 years no
one has been able to do it.
The experts' outrage vanished that evening when Orville
Jones Beene wrote:If there is one report that everyone interested in
Rossi/E-Cat should read,
it is the 1994 final Thermacore report to DARPA. Final Report, SBIR Phase
I, Nascent Hydrogen: An Energy Source.
Unfortunately it is not on the Web anymore, nor even on LENR/CANR, it seems
- although
The following was said:
From Rothwell:
I myself consider this demand absurd. [self-running]
Joshua responded with:
You would have to to continue believing in CF, considering
in 22 years no one has been able to do it.
Joshua,
Setting the self-running debate and is it really Memorex aside
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:30 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
As a matter of principal, hiding behind a pseudo name is not regarded in
high esteem
within this group list, particularly when the poster posts copious
quantities of lengthy exposes that show a highly
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Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
The experts' outrage vanished that evening when Orville finally took to
the air. They were awestruck.
Because, once in the air, it no longer used the derrick. It was a matter of
duration. Similarly, if Rossi's device can take to the air, and stay
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
retracted. About 150 groups investigated but found nothing.
450 publications about finding nothing? I've already given quotes showing
you are wrong.
I suggest you read the book by Felix Franks, Polywater, (MIT, 1981). I
have read it; you have not.
At 11:27 AM 6/3/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.comjedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
The data clearly shows that some cells
produce heat after death, and other do not.
What does not make sense here is your demand that all cells do
Say, Abd, Jed, and Joshua, I'd like to offer a path beyond the
lengthly 'Tis--Taint debate -- members of Vortex-L could plan and
carry out a simple, repeatable, low-cost LENR demonstration, including
standard kits (for which, except for deserving young students, could
be priced at $ 1,000, since
From Joshua:
From Steven V Johnson - OrionWorks
As a matter of principal, hiding behind a pseudo name
is not regarded in high esteem within this group list,
particularly when the poster posts copious quantities
of lengthy exposes that show a highly selective agenda:
From Joshua:
The
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
The agenda is not selected by me. With a regrettable
exception or two (one in a rather orthogonal thread on
perpendicular fields), I have only *responded* to threads
with my name on them, in
At 11:33 PM 6/1/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
(a comment that is diagnostic as to his condition and extreme bias.)
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman
Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Cude ... as long as Rossi uses his own
designates to report measurements,
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
CudeMaybe, but Rossi OK'd them.
Lomax Yes, he did. However, the point was that this was not simply what
Cude claimed, using his own designates.
OK. I used the wrong word. I don't think my message is
Dear Joshua
Please answer the message re our Protocol. Let's
focus on future- we are not historians and cannot change the Past.
Peter
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
wrote:
At 02:06 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
CudeMaybe, but Rossi OK'd them.
Lomax Yes, he did. However, the point was that this was not simply
what Cude claimed, using his own designates.
At 03:04 PM 6/2/2011, Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Joshua
Please answer the message re our Protocol. Let's
focus on future- we are not historians and cannot change the Past.
If we were, perhaps we would change it cheerfully?
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Rossi isn't in the least interested in pleasing Joshua.
True. But he's doing demos. And I'm free to explain why they don't convince
me, and what would.
Which, by the way, would include opprobrium and even
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
So, the best evidence you have for CF is from an experiment in 1994, in
which the excess heat is a few per cent . . .
A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom.
One problem I have with those results. When the current shuts off,
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Cude So, the best evidence you have for CF is from an experiment in 1994,
in which the excess heat is a few per cent . . .
Rothwell A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom.
A few percent of the
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Rothwell A few percent of what? The error margin? Look at the bottom.
A few percent of the input (5 to 10), and total of about 1/2 watt.
Well, I would not call 10% a few, but okay. McKubre observed 300% in other
cases, which I would definitely not
At 07:17 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:
Reputable scientists won't even look at the evidence!
Most looked a long time ago,
No. Most never actually looked at it, after
enough evidence had accumulated to allow some
kind of reasonable decision. That didn't happen
until something like the
- Original Message
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 11:05:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude and a repeated misrepresentation, patents, and
a
discussion of the chimera of cold fusion
At 07:17 PM 6/2/2011, Joshua
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
CudeIn slide 7 of that pdf that Lomax pointed to, the current density is
shut off at about 610 (units?) and the excess power immediately goes to
zero.
Rothwell This cell is not in heat after death. Other cells have been.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Lomax Reputable scientists won't even look at the evidence!
CudeMost looked a long time ago,
LomaxNo. Most never actually looked at it, after enough evidence had
accumulated to allow some kind of reasonable
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:
Cude ... as long as Rossi uses his own designates to report measurements,
he will not be taken seriously. As soon as it would be visual and obvious so
anyone can see it, he would be rich and famous.
Lomax Cude has
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