In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:15:00 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
When the Wikipedia article talks about a ratio of 1:400 for pep to pp, is
that the ratio of successful deuterium formation for each of these
branches,
Yes.
[snip]
Also, when you mention days in connection with the
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:33:15 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
There is also a competing reaction:
He3 + p = He4 + neutrino + beta+ (or maybe e- capture) (weak force mediated
decay).
I would not expect to see He4 formed directly by the proton addition to He3
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:51:37 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Relative is the operational word here Robin. I misunderstood your description
of the 2 billion years half life of He2.
He2 doesn't have a half-life of billions of years. The pp reaction does, but
The biggest mystery in astrophysics is the mismatch between reactions
fusion reation rate on earth and those seen in space. This mismatch is
caused by electron screening and what’s more, this screening is much more
intense than screening theory predicts.
With regards to electron cloud screening
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
And of course we have been searching very hard to find a process that does not
release strong gammas and this would fit that requirement as long as we
overlook the 511 keV ones.
There are actually two
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:33:07 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Obviously it works within stellar domains.
I may have made an error, but I once worked out that the half-life of the p-p
reaction in the Sun is on the order of billions of years. Since tunneling of p
to p
-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:33:07 -0400 (EDT):
i,
snip]
Obviously it works within stellar domains.
I may have made an error, but I once worked out that the half-life
. Robin, are
you confident that a gamma is not released at the same time as the neutrino?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 6:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
In reply to David
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Unfortunately AFAIK, all the energy of the p-e-p reaction is carried by the
neutrino which of course escapes, hence no net measurable energy effect. :(
Yes, indeed. For the following calculation, I'm getting exactly 1.44 MeV,
the
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:12:36 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I do not think all of the energy can be carried away by means of a neutrino
emission since the remaining nucleus must rebound to preserve momentum. This
of course would also require energy to be
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:16:36 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Unfortunately AFAIK, all the energy of the p-e-p reaction is carried by the
neutrino which of course escapes, hence no net measurable energy effect. :(
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:01:58 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
I am inclined to believe that the beta plus decay from P-P to H2 is relatively
fast since the release of .42 MeV occurs.
Then may I suggest that you work out the percentage of H in the solar core that
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Slight misunderstanding here. The Diproton doesn't exist. It falls apart
immediately into two protons. The only time you get D is when the
conversion of
a proton to a neutron just happens to occur during the very brief instant
in
]:principles of DGTG 's technology
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:16:36 -0700:
i,
snip]
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Unfortunately AFAIK, all the energy of the p-e-p reaction is carried by the
neutrino which of course escapes, hence no net
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I would not expect to see He4 formed directly by the proton addition to
He3 because the binding energy would tear it apart unless it is released
quickly. Every viable fusion reaction that has He4 as a final product
temperature would
suggest that more fusion would occur leading to ever higher temperature until
boom.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:04 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
In reply to David
are a couple of examples
demonstrating its unique characteristics.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM, David Roberson
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:39:41 +0300:
Hi,
[snip]
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I
have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the spirit
of the results- they say about the first real theory.
Peter
about danger I notice in wikipedia the following facts for 30-500keV
The most biological damaging forms of gamma radiation occur in the gamma
ray
windowhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamma_ray_windowaction=editredlink=1,
between 3 and 10 MeV, so we are ut of the worst danger zone
The
more efficiently? If there is anyway to
end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize.
Dave
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From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:01 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
On Tue, Jul 17
-no. There are black swans
out there. But riding one of those rare creatures is a difficult issue indeed.)
Guenter
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 23:34 Dienstag, 17.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:principles
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the
initial one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there
is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize.
That's
, 2012 10:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the initial
one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there is anyway
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
That patent #7,983,414 should be #7,893,414.
I see. It's easy to accidentally mis-transcribe a large number like that.
However, do any Ni + neutron -- Cu decays produce gammas?
There appear to be a number of Ni(n,g)Ni gamma
Thank you Eric! I hope this is not a new sign of my Alzheimer progressing.
I have made the correction.
it seems the W-L theory has value and a role in the real LENR story.
Peter
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM,
, DGT may have a better reactor, but only because they ripped off
Rossi's technology and built on it.
Jojo
- Original Message -
*From:* Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
From hundreds of watts to kilowatts, do not worry, please.
Peter: Did Defkalion provide you with data collected by independent
observers showing watts and kilowatts of anomalous heat?
- Jed
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only
independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict
NDA with them.
Peter
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent
data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA
with them.
Hi Peter,
I assume the biggest complaint that will be raised
Dear Steven,
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they
will demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all.
Almost equally interesting is their
contribution to understanding of LENR
Then they will publish more data, independent ones included.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious
and unpatient.
I think it is irresponsible for anyone to make claims of this nature
without at the same time presenting independent confirmation. If this were
an ordinary industrial
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will
demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost
equally interesting is their
contribution to understanding of LENR
Then they will publish more data, independent ones included.
Their
with a
straight face. Unbelievable how you think this company deserves our continuing
adoration and attention.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Peter Gluck
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
, July 17, 2012 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
IMHO, Rossi DGT should stop squabbling, patch up their differences,
and team up again. I think both entities would be stronger
collaborating together. They would be better equipped to withstand
what is sure
Dear Jed,
Have you read the interview with Defkalion re their business
strategy?
If yes you can see to which people they have responsibilities.
Let's be serious, we here are kind of electronic paper tigers
with no impact, no real influence, no capital, no fame; can we change,
improve or stop
Peter, I look forward to seeing the data that you have from the DGTG testing.
Please post it as soon as is possible.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG
@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent
data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have
On 2012-07-17 15:22, Peter Gluck wrote:
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only
independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict
NDA with them.
- DGTG has reciprocal
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious
and unpatient.
I think it is irresponsible for anyone to make claims
peter.gl...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Dear Steven,
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they
will demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all
On 2012-07-17 02:58, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Like many here, I am sick and tired of waiting, both for Rossi and DGT.
I give 70% chance DGT will withdraw from ICCS17 at the last minute, 10%
chance the data presented will be incomplete and 10% chance the data
they will present will disappoint (poor COP,
From Akira:
Should we interpret this as Peter Gluck is an independent observer ?
I would like to go on record saying that if Peter really IS acting as
an independent observer, and he opines that as far as he can determine
DGT's hyperon data IS valid, I certainly would be far less inclined to
Dear Akira,
More precisely I am an independent friend of the DGTG guys, just look what
I have written about them. I am an old engineer and I have discovered that
they an me- we are thinking similarly in technical and other problems.
Somewhere in 1992 I have elaborated kind of understanding of
...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:15 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Peter, when someone has a technology that is as revolutionary as
Commercial-level LENR as DGT has, they cease to have this implied protection
anymore.
LENR
: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Jojo, you are entitled to your opinions of the parties involved in this shaky
afair. I feel that DGT should be given a bit of respect since they seem
. Anyone
willing to bet a steak lunch over this?
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*From:* David Roberson mailto:dlrober...@aol.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I fully appreciate the fact that commercializing the hyperon product
trumps the need to generate independent verification.
I agree. I have no objection whatever if Defkalion wants to keep the
results strictly secret. However, they
Eric,
You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's Isotopes of nickel
page at URL -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
the only naturally occuring stable isotopes of nickel are:
58Ni, 60Ni, 61Ni, 62Ni, 64Ni
The only neutron captures that can occur with measurable
-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Dave, I appreciate your comments.
My opinion of DGT was heavily influenced by one of the earlier Xanthoulis
interviews where he admitted to have gained access, by subterfuge, the identity
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I understand your position Jed. You point is well taken about the need for
verification of the data by independent organizations but I feel that any
data at this time is better than none. I plan to operate under the
disease -he is
most reaonable and insigthful, I am sure) makes me a bit more optimistic.
We'll see.
Guenter
Von: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 21:01 Dienstag, 17.Juli 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com
mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote:
The simplest thing would be to show a working Hyperion during the
two days. not disclosing anything.
It would be easy to set up such a demonstration, because their
claimed COP is above any doubt, and this
Eric,
Never mind. Entirely my mistake.
I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures.
These can be significant.
--- Lou Pagnucco
I wrote --
Eric,
You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's Isotopes of nickel
page at URL --
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Never mind. Entirely my mistake.
I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures.
These can be significant.
No worries. I think the neutron capture reactions will result in
characteristic radiation that
Richard,
Read this link
On Monday, July 16, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote:
My dear friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html
This action of publishing will continue and we will get fine realistic
answers to questions that
One of the comments bears repeating, and rephrasing:
50eV - 300 eV is NOT compatible with WL theory. This is in the UV to extreme
UV - the frequency where matter most efficiently absorbs photons; and it's
orders of magnitude above thermal photons and below gamma photons.
In fact, this spectrum
Good work, Peter
Thanks for the informative update.
Do you have, or can you get data on the isotopic composition of the
reaction products?
-- Lou Pagnucco
My dear friends,
I have just published:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html
This action
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I
have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the spirit
of the results- they say about the first real theory.
Peter
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Good work, Peter
Peter, whoever is going to announce results on ICCS 17, is a known person?
Will they present results by independent teams in the name of well known
companies?
2012/7/16 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon.
I have noticed
Dear Daniel,
More important, he will be a known person after that.
I have not read their presentation- the organizers of ICCF-17
have helped them to make a presentation of everything they want to show.
Peter
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
Peter,
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I
have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the spirit of
the results- they say
of power but the kilowatts they have been advertising. Any
advance general tidbit on that issue?
Thanks
Ransom
- Original Message -
*From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 2:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's
Surely he will be known. But I hope that he was known from before because
it would decrease the chances of looking like a famous joke
2012/7/16 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
Dear Daniel,
More important, he will be a known person after that.
I have not read their presentation- the
Being a great concern to me, the people and/or organizations that have
discovered LENR+ would hold that technology off the market who knows for
what reasons. For LENR to develop properly, this important technology needs
visibility, credibility, competition, and acceptance in the marketplace.
DGTG
deny it later on. Peter
maybe being set up for a fall.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Peter Gluck
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
The team is working very hard
Hi Peter,
Thank you for sharing your DGTG info with us.
Early after the breakup between Defkalion and Rossi, Xanthoulis said he
had re-engineered Rossi's core and made many improvements, overcoming
the issues Rossi had (at that time) in controlling his reaction.
I know this must be a very
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Peter maybe being set up for a fall.
And their reason would be?
T
Message -
*From:* Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
*To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:39 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon.
I have noticed your wish and will try to let
@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
Peter maybe being set up for a fall.
And their reason would be?
T
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html
This action of publishing will continue and we will get fine realistic
answers to questions that have
obsessed us for long years.
It will
Eric,
That patent #7,983,414 should be #7,893,414.
However, do any Ni + neutron -- Cu decays produce gammas?
Eric Walker wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html
This
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