Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

Repeat from earlier in this thread: http://faq.ecat.com/112449/how-much-nickel-and-hydrogen-will-it-take-to-generate-one-megawatt-of-heat-continuously-for-six-months/ 1MW needs 10kg Nickel powder, so about 100g per ecat (will run for 6 months) + 1g of hydrogen per ecat per day (in reality far less

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Marcello Vitale wrote: > I agree with Terry on this. I see no other way for Rossi to make money than > to try to sell as many big items as he can before somebody much better than > him at manufacturing comes into the game. Anything else is a distraction. Let me s

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

I agree with Terry on this. I see no other way for Rossi to make money than to try to sell as many big items as he can before somebody much better than him at manufacturing comes into the game. Anything else is a distraction. I'll add that corporations go to statehouses to ask for tax breaks :-)))

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

for those that repeat that CF is impossible , I can answer simply : - it breaks no basic rule of todays most validated models : Quantum Physic Reference Frame, and generel Relativity (unlike Opera neutrinos, perpetual movement, usable antigravity). it only breaks usual approach to compute. - it is

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Eric Woudenberg wrote: > Hi Mary, I've also wondered about this but I recall Levi saying in a video > somewhere that Rossi was actually alarmed during this test that the core was > running too hot. > Yes. I heard that too. I have reviewed curve after curve provid

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:44 PM, David Roberson wrote: > Isn't it amazing how much the device has changed over the months? Yes it is. Over the past 9 months, the E-cat's power per unit volume and per unit mass has shrunk markedly from the small 50 cc reaction chambers described for the early co

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > If this paper has been > discussed before, I could not find it. I don't know exactly where it is but it was discussed on this email list and extensively elsewhere as well. > seconds and the quality of the produced steam was measured to

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

Correction: the quotation in my last post should be attributed to David Roberson about Cude and was not written by Cude. I regret that this editing error which I made slipped by me on proof reading.

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> The poster is >> convinced that Rossi is scamming and there is no level of proof that will be >> accepted otherwise. I find that assertion annoying. Several others including, IIRC, Cude, and I have said under what criteria Rossi's claims w

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

Thanks for the information, Alan. The article announcing the interview is one large softball. Everything in it is "Rossi says" but is presented as if it were fact. I find that unconscionable for someone presenting themselves as a reporter. It casts into doubt everything claimed by the web site wh

[Vo]:E-Cat 1MW Demo Water Clog Theory

David Roberson proposed a theory where a water clog forms because of condensation. Because of this clog, pressure and temperature rises until the clog is cleared. If you look at the temperature profile for the 1 MW demonstration, you will see that from 12:45 to 12:55 the output temperature rises

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

Thanks for the link AG. I agree, based on all the evidence so far it looks to me like Rossi has a working LENR device. Perhaps our different views reflect what we're interested in. If it's simply Rossi's success, I think you're right that he's done enough tests to interest some buyers so that

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

I wonder if Rossi will change his tune on testing if Defkalion starts conducting public tests. A little competition is worth a million MYs On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Eric Woudenberg wrote: > Mary Yugo writes: > >> Thanks. ... And did anyone ask >> >> what he thinks about Rossi insis

Re: [Vo]:MIT light diode on Si allows photonic computers -- many streams of wavelengths at once -- female scientist: Michael: Rich 2011.11.23

--- On Wed, 11/23/11, Horace Heffner wrote: > Most interesting!  "Garnet is desirable because it > inherently transmits light differently in one direction than > in another: It has a different index of refraction — the > bending of light as it enters the material — depending on > the direction of

Re: [Vo]:MIT light diode on Si allows photonic computers -- many streams of wavelengths at once -- female scientist: Michael: Rich 2011.11.23

On Nov 23, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote: MIT light diode on Si allows photonic computers -- many streams of wavelengths at once -- female scientist: Michael: Rich 2011.11.23 This will really speed up the exponential growth of everything... http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-long-sough

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

I agree with you that the April 6 test is very convincing. So much time has passed and ECAT form factor changed that I almost forgot about it. I am glad you have returned it to my attention. Rossi has something to sell now which no one else has provided thus far. We are fortunate that he wa

[Vo]:MIT light diode on Si allows photonic computers -- many streams of wavelengths at once -- female scientist: Michael: Rich 2011.11.23

MIT light diode on Si allows photonic computers -- many streams of wavelengths at once -- female scientist: Michael: Rich 2011.11.23 This will really speed up the exponential growth of everything... http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-long-sought-component-optical-circuits-silicon.html

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

Cude's service is similar to Obama's huge and naturally adroit strategic and tactical success, improvising with purpose and style and daily persistence, gradually herding feckless cats -- what he somehow manages to do is much more impressive than any advertisement of personal skill and quality -- I

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Rich Murray wrote: > Joshua Cude offers sensible and convincing explanations, > straightforwardly and simply based on the available public data... We always look forward to your editorial comments, Rich. Warmest Regards, T

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

Joshua Cude offers sensible and convincing explanations, straightforwardly and simply based on the available public data...

Re: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

Francis, Axil, What I am curious about is whether the reduced radioactivity that Reifenschweiler observed for tritium and heavier nuclei meant that the radioactive decays were actually suppressed, or that the energetic decay products were thermalized in the small monocrystalline particles via some

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

Eric have you reviewed this report: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/Report_Kullander_April_6_2011.pdf Either Rossi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Leonardi, Focardi and Bianchini are lying about the results or it is real. For me this is way better proof that Rossi does have a working and stable LENR r

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

Mary Yugo writes: Thanks. ... And did anyone ask what he thinks about Rossi insists on using the heat of evaporation of water to test the e-cat when simply repeating Levi's test with better controls and documentation would be much more probative? Hi Mary, I've also wondered about this but I r

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Berke Durak wrote: > > > The pumps were run close to capacity, so there is no way you can account > for > > 7 times the area in a few minutes by adding water. > > How do you know that the pumps were run close to capacity? Please explain. > What was the capacity o

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

I have a market opportunity for 100s MWs of Green diathermic oil plant. From what I can currently see Rossi is the only supplier that may be able to deliver. I found this paper to be extremely useful: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/Report_Kullander_April_6_2011.pdf as it leave no doubt that wh

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

Joshua, it seems to me that you are privy to some insider knowledge about the 1 MW demo. For instance, you wrote: > The pumps were run close to capacity, so there is no way you can account for > 7 times the area in a few minutes by adding water. How do you know that the pumps were run close to ca

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

Had not seen that before. Thanks AG On 11/24/2011 12:58 PM, Frank Acland wrote: This comes from the DGT profile on their site : http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White_Paper_DGT.pdf On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat mailto:aussieguy.e...@gmail.com>> wrote: http://peak

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

AG, are you giving serious consideration to Defkalion as a supplier for your needs? It would be advantageous for the world to have many sources of these types of products as that will allow some competition to drive down prices. Dave -Original Message- From: Aussie Guy E-Cat To: vor

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

This comes from the DGT profile on their site : http://www.defkalion-energy.com/White_Paper_DGT.pdf On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > http://peakoil.com/forums/the-**cold-fusion-thread-pt-3-** > merged-t63441-450.html#**p1091080

Re: [Vo]:Hyperion product range?

Found the 23 June 2011 link: http://www.blog.telecomfuturecentre.it/2011/06/23/defkalion-green-technologies-announces-plans-for-the-rossi-energy-catalyzer/ AG On 11/24/2011 12:51 PM, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-3-merged-t63441-450.html#p1091080

[Vo]:Hyperion product range?

http://peakoil.com/forums/the-cold-fusion-thread-pt-3-merged-t63441-450.html#p1091080 "Hyperion products have different configurations, most notably: Series A: Single tube single module CHP: with this configuration, 5-10Kw heat power will be released to operate micro-CHP/micro turbine configur

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

Is this some form of joke that I do not follow? Please let me know what the punch line is. Dave -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement At 07:44 AM 11/23/2011, David Roberson wrote: ... En

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

Sir, the dispute has not been withdrawn, I have just decided to spare the vortex from the broken record syndrome. It is apparent that Mr. Cude and I will never agree so what is the purpose of repeating the same old arguments? I disagree with you about his position being superior. He must rely

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

Rossi has consistently stated that he does not like "playing bones" with other people's money which is very commendable. However, it is not commendable of him to use scientific associations to promote interest in his ECAT, and refuse an independent evalusation of the ECAT's performance. Rossi eith

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

At 05:08 PM 11/23/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: And they want $49 to listen to the interview. Annual subscription, surely. Not worth $49 for this one audio only. though. If there's something particular you want to know, I can re-listen and make a closer transcript. (Maybe Bill will relent an

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT announcement

At 07:44 AM 11/23/2011, David Roberson wrote:  ... Engineer wrote: (Pssst, Ms. Yugo, we call them "Hyperions" in this forum.) Mr Engineer, e-cats (or energy catalyzers) are e-cats and Hyperions are Hyperions. We can assure you that they are not the same "thing" with just different names. Please

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I cannot understand why he does these things! I can. > Well, at least he is consistent. About that he is. On other things he's consistently inconsistent. > I am sure that Rossi reactors scaled for home use will require UL > certification.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

And they want $49 to listen to the interview. AG On 11/24/2011 11:14 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Just for completeness : PREMIUM CONTENT Rossi's e-Cat Goes Commercial Italian engineer Andrea Rossi, inventor of the e-Catalyst energy system, talks

Re: [Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > Hello group, > > Few know that Sven Kullander of the University of Uppsala today held a > lecture on cold fusion in Örebro, Sweden. A person named Hampus Ericsson has > made a short, informal report of what happened on the unofficial Andrea

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Robert Leguillon wrote: > > He has not fabricated any claims as far as I know. Maybe I have not caught > him yet. People here have accused him of fabricating many technical claims > but as far as I know they have not found any proof of that

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

Just for completeness : PREMIUM CONTENT Rossi's e-Cat Goes Commercial Italian engineer Andrea Rossi, inventor of the e-Catalyst energy system, talks with EV World about the system's successful test in Bologna and the future of this potentially gam

Re: [Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

At 04:23 PM 11/23/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Thanks to all who submitted questions. I sent in a collation (extracting ideas) ... including asking for another test.  But with today's response to Brian Josephson I said don't ask him that one.  (I'll put up what I sent in another post) This is wha

[Vo]:Re: Rossi Interview Questions

Thanks to all who submitted questions. I sent in a collation (extracting ideas) ... including asking for another test. But with today's response to Brian Josephson I said don't ask him that one. (I'll put up what I sent in another post) Most of what I suggested came up in the interview natur

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Charles Hope wrote: > I'm finding Cude's responses informative in this thread, and it seems to me > that he's adequately proven his case now that dispute has been withdrawn. lookslikeuwuzrite T

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

I'm finding Cude's responses informative in this thread, and it seems to me that he's adequately proven his case now that dispute has been withdrawn. On Nov 23, 2011, at 17:49, David Roberson wrote: > This is getting a bit out of hand. It does not make sense for me and this > poster to con

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

On 11/23/2011 06:48 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: An appeal to authority, regardless the credentials of the authority, can only affect one's judgement of the probability of truth. It is thus non-Aristotelian. It is a sales tool. It is not a logical That's an important distinction, and probab

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

It might not be so confusing if one realizes, assuming all is as AR says, he has a very narrow window to make money off his eCat. Rossi realizes it and is pumping (intended) out as many as he can hoping to make his nest egg. If all is real, Rossi will not get a patent here, but he could likely ma

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

This is getting a bit out of hand. It does not make sense for me and this poster to continue to state the exact opposites over and over as in the broken record responses that have clogged up the vortex. I am happy to respond to anyone who has a valid point to make, but I do not see any purpos

Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

My intuition tells me that quantum mechanical entanglement is the primary mechanism that underlies what is going on in “Cold Fusion” Cooper pairing of fermions could be one of many ways that nuclear reactions happen in a way that the resultant nuclear energy associated with the relaxation of the e

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

2011/11/23 Jed Rothwell : > Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter > Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been > saying all along: > "No more tests. Let the customers decide. Etc." > > Peter offered to do a pure black box tests but Rossi tur

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

On Nov 23, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: An appeal to authority, regardless the credentials of the authority, can only affect one's judgement of the probability of truth. It is thus non-Aristotelian. It is a sales tool. It is not a logical argument, and

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

On 11/23/2011 04:34 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: You must have said: I,, think that it's still one of the dumbest and lowest common denominators of junk science. I have no idea what that means. You should.

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

>From Jed > ... Maybe there is more to it. I just heard this in a 5-minute phone call. > Summary: He said the same stuff he has been saying all along in his blog > and in the magazines. > Well, at least he is consistent. IMHO, (and granted it might be an incorrect opinion) I can't help but specu

[Vo]:Human IQ versus machine AI in game of Go

2011/11/23 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson : > A former girlfriend of mine, for which I'm happy to say I'm still on > good terms with, has a rated IQ of 150 or higher. Don't ever play a > game of GO with her. You will be humiliated. > Interesting. Does she play Go in Internet? I was so humiliated th

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

Horace Heffner wrote: An appeal to authority, regardless the credentials of the authority, can only affect one's judgement of the /probability/ of truth. It is thus non-Aristotelian. It is a sales tool. It is not a logical argument, and thus can not be either valid or invalid, as the appli

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > I'm puzzled. Maybe I missed something crucial about the itinerary. > I thought one of the reasons Rossi went was to see if he could to drum up > some corporate interest in his technology for the state of Massachusetts. > I do not know why he went, but his

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

An appeal to authority, regardless the credentials of the authority, can only affect one's judgement of the probability of truth. It is thus non-Aristotelian. It is a sales tool. It is not a logical argument, and thus can not be either valid or invalid, as the application of modus ponens

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

>From Jed: ... > Why did Rossi even go? What was he thinking? > He does at least make it clear that he cannot reveal anything about this > because he has no patent. He does not actually say "I do not want widespread > publicity because I have no patent -- I want to cash in while I can" but I > am

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

On 2011-11-23 22:31, Jed Rothwell wrote: Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been saying all along: I actually had some hope for this meeting. It looks like I'll have to lower my expectations next

Re: [Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

I do not know if the UL certifies industrial boilers, but I am sure someone does. It seems they do small scale generators, maybe not the biggies: http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/industries/energy/power/microturbines/tests/ I am sure that Rossi reactors scaled for home use will req

[Vo]:Report on Rossi's visit to Boston

Someone from Boston just called me to say that Rossi met with Peter Hagelstein at the state capital, and Rossi said exactly what he's been saying all along: "No more tests. Let the customers decide. Etc." Peter offered to do a pure black box tests but Rossi turned him down. In other words it was

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

Mauro Lacy wrote: You're right. Claiming that something must be right because some authority > said so, if not fallacious per se(that is, if not a false statement), is > an appeal to authority, plain and simple. Not plain, and not so simple. Technically, it is only a so-called "appeal to author

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:19 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I have reviewed the two responses by this poster to my hypothesis and it > is clear that these responses do not represent reality. The poster is > convinced that Rossi is scamming and there is no level of proof that will > be accepted othe

[Vo]:Short report on Kullander's cold fusion lecture

Hello group, Few know that Sven Kullander of the University of Uppsala today held a lecture on cold fusion in Örebro, Sweden. A person named Hampus Ericsson has made a short, informal report of what happened on the unofficial Andrea Rossi Facebook group page: http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCa

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

Am 23.11.2011 21:19, schrieb Robert Leguillon: So, is the weight unreliable, and Rossi was just really really, really lucky that all past demos dropped weight, and always a gram or two? I dont know, if they remove the hoses from the hydrogen bottle. The hoses will pull and some 100 grams of va

Re: [Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

> I am sorry to be a pedant but you people are using the term "appeal to > authority" to mean the opposite of what it should mean. I have mentioned > this before. Here's the definition: > > http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html > > "Also Known as: Fallacious Appeal to Au

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion >> conspiracy... >> >> >> If they're the epicenter of the "conspiracy" it's not a very

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Overview of (Ahern) Vibronic Energy Technologies Approach

I like the timeline Ahern presents to connect the dots and would like to know more about the VETC information regarding vibrational properties between 3-15 nm. The information appears to be from experimental result and doesn't suggest a particular theory responsible for the atypical vibration mo

[Vo]:New comment from chan

New comment from chan Chan Says: More convenient arrangement just successfully tested. Reactants carefully suspended in mineral oil under inert dry conditions. A closed circuit using 1/4″ copper tube was serially connected to a Groco Gear Pump GRO-GPB1-12, this heat exchanger: http://www.brazetek.

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

On 2011-11-23 21:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Details that do not interest to researchers. "With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements - Campari says - will be free and independent measurements to verify whether the system produces a large amount

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

Robert Leguillon wrote: Of course the weighing of the tank is silly. But, Rossi has done it as part of his demonstration-theatrics. I'm sure the intention was to show that he wasn't adding enough hydrogen to serve as a convenional fuel. Good point. He said that was the purpose. Even this cru

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

that is not what rossi says on the FAQ. he talks about 10mg/kW of H, and 100mg/kW of Ni however, in my previeux computation I'me made a mistake... 1MW should need 10g of H and 100g of Ni if the number for Ni is Ok, but H is a bit exagerated, for 100g of Ni you need 100g/59=1.7g hydrogen... stran

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Mary, your recent (and not so recent) posts have been bigoted, > bulldoggish, clamorous, constant, continuing, crying, dogged, dogmatic, > fanatic, fixed, gritty, immutable, intolerant, mulish, obstinate, > overzealous, perseverant, plo

Re: [Vo]:These cynical comments are unwelcome

It was intended as tongue-in-cheek, and I probably should have added a clarifying "smiley". I was laughing to myself at your ability to bend-over-backwards in Rossi's defense, and make matter-of-fact "case closed" comments ad infinitum; it's funny to observe. I apologize if it was demeaning. Of

Re: [Vo]: ECAT 1 MW Test Discrepancy

I have reviewed the two responses by this poster to my hypothesis and it is clear that these responses do not represent reality. The poster is convinced that Rossi is scamming and there is no level of proof that will be accepted otherwise. I stand by all of the statements that I made and all

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

At 11:57 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: Yes, he claimed they had to reduce power. Where does it say that they did this by reducing the hydrogen pressure? In the second link that I just posted : "To resolve the issue, the hydrogen pressure in all the reactors was reduced". I guess my

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

At 11:41 AM 11/23/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Thanks for the translation, which google garbles. Could you please do the same for the last sentence : Details that do not interest to researchers. "With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements -

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On 11-11-23 02:07 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X gives those blackbirdies one major high . . . until they come down, er, so to speak. Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate believers? That

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

Am 23.11.2011 20:41, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with

[Vo]:You people misunderstand the definition of "appeal to authority"

I am sorry to be a pedant but you people are using the term "appeal to authority" to mean the opposite of what it should mean. I have mentioned this before. Here's the definition: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html "Also Known as: Fallacious Appeal to Authority, Mis

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

Rossi is consistent in this stance. He seems to respect Josephson, but not changing for him. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > >> Akira: >> >> Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at >> var

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! It's not hard work at all - If you know where to look! Cheers, S.A.

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

Yes, he claimed they had to reduce power. Where does it say that they did this by reducing the hydrogen pressure? Alan J Fletcher wrote: >At 10:29 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: >>Where on Earth did you guys get the information that it was running >>and hydrogen was purged? > >http://p

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: > So, in a few weeks of time, it seems. > Thanks. That's very helpful. It seems to me that the critical step is giving an E-cat to the university which has not happened. I will go a notch towards b

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Says the person who posts bad comedy as an entire and lengthy thread. Okay, want some science with your humor? Here ya go, Yugo: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-04/wfu-pph042910.php "Purple Pokeberries hold secret to affordable s

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > ... and pathological skeptics. I don't know what a pathological skeptic is unless you mean someone who doesn't believe the Earth is round or that the moon landing happened or that the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were hit by

Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with some results? Same question: when? Regardin

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Quit being so single minded and enjoy a little levity . . . and maybe > some brevity in the more serious threads. Says the person who posts bad comedy as an entire and lengthy thread.

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: >> If the arguments stand on their own, why would you need an identity? > > The real question is: why not? I just explained all that! > You're afraid of being harassed? Oh come on. A fri

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate believers? Chill out m'lady. Here, have a Xanax and pokeberry juice chaser. Quit being so single minded and enjoy a little levity . . . and maybe some brevity in the more serious threads. T

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > I don't know of a single time he has > demonstrated it or even shown a laboratory-obtained time vs temp curve > that even suggests it. I should add that I except the Levi test where t

Re: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > because in self sustaining we had the temperature at a certain time that > rose too much. The system was difficult to modulate. Rossi keeps saying that. But it doesn't make sense. In all the 9+ months he's been showing E-cats, I don't kn

RE: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

... and pathological skeptics. One person's True Believer is another person's Pathological Skeptic. -mark -Original Message- From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes On Wed, Nov

RE: [Vo]:hydrogen refill

At 10:29 AM 11/23/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: Where on Earth did you guys get the information that it was running and hydrogen was purged? http://pesn.com/2011/10/31/9501942_After_the_E-Cat_Test--Report_and_Q-A_with_Rossi/ Description of the test installation the one megawatt Energy Catalyz

Re: [Vo]:A U.S.P.O. policy regarding cold fusion

> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: > >>> Sometimes it's inconvenient not to be able to use one's own identity. >>> >> >> Then, use your own identity. If your arguments stand on their own, you >> can >> surely stand by them. >> > If the arguments stand on their own, why would you

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X > gives those blackbirdies > one major high . . . until they come down, er, so to speak. Sort of like what happens to indiscriminate believers?

RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)

Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! -Mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23,

Re: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: > The purple feces and calendar date also suggested my fowl friend may have > been flying under the influence of fermented berries. Yes, polkweed berries. Toxic to humans but gives those blackbirdies one major high . . . until they come

Re: [Vo]:Rossi to come to the Massachusetts State House tomorrow

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > > > MIT? How is that possible. MIT is the epicenter of the anti-cold fusion > conspiracy... > > > If they're the epicenter of the "conspiracy" it's not a very effective > conspiracy. > It's not me that claim they are the epicent

RE: [Vo]:[OT] Avian Recipes

Terry, Do you have anything for blackbirds? Today I opened my front door and viewed an impacted bird dropping in the middle of my storm door's full view window glass, made more impressive by the 4 foot wide porch with overhanging roof. Immediately to my left the porch has a stone wall where the

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