Re: [Vo]:Reasons to be optimistic we will win the political battle

2012-11-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
I don't accept the claim that there is nothing done under conception. I agree that there are still doubt whether there is existing conception of LENR reactor, BUT there are clear evidence that there is probably such conception done by first Defkalion (who claim enough problems you can estimate

RE: [Vo]:Reasons to be optimistic we will win the political battle

2012-11-12 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Conception is the step where all the engineering skills are used to: Organise equipment, Design equipment, Make plans, Create process, Create build process, Testing In my point of view, Brillouin and Defkalion are still in the Basic research process. Their LENR devices can not be

Re: [Vo]:Reasons to be optimistic we will win the political battle

2012-11-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
OK, with that description, which I call industrialization, I agree, even if Rossi is maybe at that point, but far from certain... The point for Rossi and Defkalion is they have defined the detailed process happening in their reactors, the triggering and control methods, the fuel treatments...

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: One wonders how these coffee plants ever survived the 10°C colder temperatures of the last ice age, or the 3°C hotter temperatures of the Holocene Climate Optimum 5-9000 years ago. They did not exist. No domesticated plants existed 9,000

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: One wonders how these coffee plants ever survived the 10°C colder temperatures of the last ice age . . . They did not exist. No domesticated plants existed 9,000 years ago, and none could survive in the wild alone without human protection. I meant that present-day domesticated

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread James Bowery
I once asked a DoE official why the military costs in the middle east are not included in the import cost of foreign oil. His answer was that it was a matter of national policy (which is to say industrial policy in other words). I was on the GOP platform committee for Iowa's third congressional

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
These two incoming comets for 2013 may bring us the BIG CHILL you are looking for as happened in 1811 and 1680. They are the great condensers of matter. Fire up the gas turbines, dress warm and behold. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Monday, November 12, 2012, James Bowery wrote: I once asked

[Vo]:OT: Infinite Energy Generator!

2012-11-12 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3xBhqcjqY Terry! Why hadn't we ever figured this one out? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:OT: Website It's Academic - Political Analysis (Interesting Statistics)

2012-11-12 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
For those interested in analyzing the statistics: http://ericcompas.com/ Self Explanatory, especially for many Wisconsinites, such as these little gems: While we could perform statistical analyses on distance-weighted averages, standard deviation ellipses, or the like, the distributions are

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Interesting strategy! US military costs in the Middle East have a lot more to do with Israel than with oil, though. Middle Eastern governments view oil and gas exports as a commercial matter: they love to have export contracts, and (until the US invaded Iraq -- motivated by pro-Israel US

Re: [Vo]:OT: Infinite Energy Generator!

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Terry! Why hadn't we ever figured this one out? And I thought it was just for anti-gravity. facepalm The T-Cat. (T for toast?)

[Vo]:A $20 tablet computer from India

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is wonderful. Add a keyboard and you have a computer. They are distributing these to schoolchildren in India because they are cheaper than printed textbooks. See: http://qz.com/26244/how-a-20-tablet-from-india-could-finish-off-pc-makers-educate-billions-and-transform-computing-as-we-know-it/

[Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
We'll be selling oil to China: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11/12/us-to-become-world-largest-oil-producer-by-2020 *US to become world's largest oil producer by 2020* Published November 12, 2012 Associated Press The United States will become the world's largest oil producer by around

Re: [Vo]:A $20 tablet computer from India

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
That goes hand-in-hand with this amazing story: http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php What happens if you give a thousand Motorola Zoom tablet PCshttp://dvice.com/archives/2012/01/one-laptop-per.php to Ethiopian kids who have never even seen a printed word? Within five months,

Re: [Vo]:A dreadful price to pay

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I once asked a DoE official why the military costs in the middle east are not included in the import cost of foreign oil. That would be great! Except you can't charge the whole thing off, so it would be difficult to put a dollar value on it. It would be

Re: [Vo]:A $20 tablet computer from India

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: That goes hand-in-hand with this amazing story: http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php What happens if you give a thousand Motorola Zoom tablet PCshttp://dvice.com/archives/2012/01/one-laptop-per.php to Ethiopian kids who have never

RE: [Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
I was thinking the same when listening/reading to the news today. US have a long term vision about his energy consumption/production and stay stick to it. The choice might not be the best and have pro and cons. Environmental concerns arise against oil sands and shale gas . Today, LENR is not

[Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread pagnucco
Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy LLC) has recently posted the presentation - Electroweak Neutron Production and Capture in Lightning Discharges -ANS Meeting San Diego Nov 2012

Re: [Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be wrote: Today, LENR is not ready yet to be taken into account by governments. ** ** On the contrary, the old **Europe** has no political energy or very poor which can be summarized by less consumption. Let's give Italy credit for pioneering cold

Re: [Vo]:A $20 tablet computer from India

2012-11-12 Thread Harry Veeder
I hope this doesn't lead to a world where the poor must remain attached their tablets and be on call 24 hours day to cater to the whims of the upper classes so they simply can earn enough income to subsist... Harry On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: [Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
The age of the Renaissance started in the XVth century from what we call today Italy. It started there before spreading in north Europe. History repeats itself endlessly.

[Vo]:Ours or Theirs?

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Don't say Bugs: http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/ They need a high speed camera to find out what this is.

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Antivirus Software Pioneer McAfee Wanted for Murder

2012-11-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
I kid you not. See: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/12/john_mcafee_wanted_for_murder_in_belize_gizmondo_reports.html See also: http://gizmodo.com/5958877/secrets-schemes-and-lots-of-guns-inside-john-mcafees-heart-of-darkness Apparently McAfee is involved with guns and drugs. A

Re: [Vo]:A $20 tablet computer from India

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I hope this doesn't lead to a world where the poor must remain attached their tablets and be on call 24 hours day to cater to the whims of the upper classes so they simply can earn enough income to subsist... Soon

Re: [Vo]:Ours or Theirs?

2012-11-12 Thread Craig
I think it's a small RC jet at a distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqhLawLXNE Craig On 11/12/2012 02:52 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Don't say Bugs: http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/ They need a high speed camera to find out what this

[Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
He sure can fit a lot of words into one sentence... Also, his powerpoint slide density matches the density of a black hole. On Monday, November 12, 2012, wrote: Lewis Larsen (Lattice Energy LLC) has recently posted the presentation - Electroweak Neutron Production and Capture in

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread mixent
In reply to pagnu...@htdconnect.com's message of Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:25:19 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/larsen-electroweak-neutron-production-and-capture-in-lightning-dischargesans-meeting-san-diego-nov-2012 Lightning contains many high velocity electrons, which

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
LOL! I totally agree! Every time another set of those slides comes out, I cringe at the thought of attempting to read them. On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: He sure can fit a lot of words into one sentence... Also, his powerpoint slide density matches

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
What they are missing is the orbiting energetic particle creating the static lightning just like piantelli thinks it is orbiting hydrogen and not an orbiting neutrino. It is all in the orbit...on Earth many times we call them...rainbows. Behold the beauty. Also, with two great orbiting comets

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote Also, with two great orbiting comets on the way get your ice pick. And a good single malt.

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
That too! On Monday, November 12, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote Also, with two great orbiting comets on the way get your ice pick. And a good single malt.

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread David Roberson
Are you thinking that hot fusion may be occurring within the lightning stroke? I have read that gamma rays have been detected under some conditions. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:45 pm Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread David Roberson
How confident are you that we will need the ice picks very soon? If no cooling becomes evident does that suggest that your theory has a fatal flaw? Just asking. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Nov 12, 2012

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, I believe with most severe storms their is a weakly interacting massive particle orbiting through the atmosphere and back into the Earth. It is creating the low pressure and resulting static discharge/lightning. The particle(s) are triggering beta decays with the surrounding gas and Earth.

RE: [Vo]:Ours or Theirs?

2012-11-12 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I think it's a small RC jet at a distance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqhLawLXNE Craig Be serious! Don't say Bugs: http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over- denver/ They need a high speed camera to find out what this is. And it appears to be a

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:58:31 -0500 (EST): Hi, [snip] Are you thinking that hot fusion may be occurring within the lightning stroke? I have read that gamma rays have been detected under some conditions. Possibly also, but I see no reason why WL are wrong

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread pagnucco
Several recent papers state that this neutron production is anomalous and still not properly explained, e.g., from a popular science site - Lightning strikes produce free neutrons, and we're not sure how. Low energy neutrons not due to cosmic rays or any other previously known source.

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread Nigel Dyer
Gamma rays are detected associated with a number of different aspects of thunderstorms. As far 'conventional' lightning is concerned it seems to be associated with initiation of the forks in the forked leader en route to the ground in advance of the (visible) return stroke when the large

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread ChemE Stewart
It's in the rainbow...you might have to shine a big spotlight to find it if the sun is not also shining. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Monday, November 12, 2012, wrote: Several recent papers state that this neutron production is anomalous and still not properly explained, e.g., from a

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread pagnucco
Nigel, Do we know how to characterize the electromagnetic energy (and electron) flow prior to the visible return stroke? -- Lou Pagnucco Nigel Dyer wrote: Gamma rays are detected associated with a number of different aspects of thunderstorms. As far 'conventional' lightning is concerned it

Re: [Vo]:OT: Infinite Energy Generator!

2012-11-12 Thread Tom Barnett
The maths behind this technology: http://www.huntingground.freeserve.co.uk/webplus/iframes/theory.htm

RE: [Vo]:Ours or Theirs?

2012-11-12 Thread William Beaty
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over- denver/ They need a high speed camera to find out what this is. Or just a stereo vid cam, to prove that it's not a nearby object (just an insect out

Re: [Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread James Bowery
Thank god we can forget about those hicks in Utah! On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Arnaud Kodeck arnaud.kod...@lakoco.bewrote: ** ** The age of the Renaissance started in the XVth century from what we call today Italy. It started there before spreading in north **Europe**. History

Re: [Vo]:Don't Look for the US to be LENR Leader

2012-11-12 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:21 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Thank god we can forget about those hicks in Utah! Yes, but watch those in Missouri!

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Possibly also, but I see no reason why WL are wrong about lightning. I was simply pointing out that though they may well be correct about neutron production in lightning, I suspect they are wrong about neutron production in a lattice.

Re: [Vo]:High energy protons emissions/Nov.1 Piantelli Patent

2012-11-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: All of these are explained if the active particle is a f/H molecule. 1. The molecule is neutral, thus is not bothered by the Ni electrons. 2. There are no gamma rays because only one of the two protons fuses, the other being ejected

[Vo]:Improving Neutron Detection

2012-11-12 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
A friend (Mike, one of our little group here in Portland) found a relatively low-cost way to rent a neutron detector: http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.817517/sc.7/category.13851/.f So I have a question. Is it possible that a lot of neutrons have gone undetected in LENR experiments over the

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation on nuclear events in lightning

2012-11-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
what is their profile at ANS ? Scientists ?(I mean the APS like, MIT like, Science/Nature Like) Industrialists ? (Business) Engineers (in the french meaning: link between science and industry, between project and technology, between feasible and done)? Applied scientist ? (a science version of

Re: [Vo]:Improving Neutron Detection

2012-11-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: A friend (Mike, one of our little group here in Portland) found a relatively low-cost way to rent a neutron detector: http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.817517/sc.7/category.13851/.f Be careful with the neutron