Jed the issue is not the warming, it is the attribution.
As all scientists know correlation does not equal causation. - particularly
true when we are only looking at a couple of decades out of a series that
is literally billions of years long. There are demonstrably (historically
any time before
All arguments against global warming are stupid, for 2 reasons.
1: Claiming that there is a conspiracy by scientists against the
biggest companies in the world (oil companies) and for no reason I
have ever heard seems highly implausible, what is the motive.
It is hard to think of an analogy that
Peter, Daniel openned his contribution to this thread with an insult to me and
you are getting on my case? This was also the way you treated me when James
Bowery told me to F*** myself. Am I supposed to respect people like this?
Such a clear display of bias does not become an individual of
Hi,
On 4-12-2012 23:51, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It is not enough. You would have to show that hundreds of professional
climatologists are being threatened or harassed by these vested
interests the way McGuire was. Is that happening?
There is no need for them to be threatened at all.
It is just
Like others on this list, I filtered JoJo out of my Vortex-l account long
ago. I have my limitations.
However if Jojo was recorded to have recently posted phrases like:
What a piece of work you are. Your mother must have really screwed up
raising you.
For whatever reason JoJo may have
Hi,
On 5-12-2012 14:49, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Like others on this list, I filtered JoJo out of my Vortex-l account
long ago. I have my limitations.
Am not filtering anyone at all and sometimes see and read the postings
of such a lost soul ;-) as Jojo with lots of
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and
worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of
insult?
If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for
his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language; it makes
those who do sound like
I'm sorry I don't understand your response.
Would you prefer that I posted each and every threat made against global
warming denial, one by one?
They have been a rather consistent stream. Drudge has been regular about
posting them.
From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
If this 'bribe 3000' scientists can be taken of an example of the logic that
supports global warming, I am shocked.
I would hope that anyone reading these posts would gather that threatening
deniers would suffice - or just informing all that inquire that the science is
settled' as the BBC is
From Vorl:
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and
worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of
insult?
If you don't like what he says, killfile him, but don't call for
his banning because of his less than gentlemanly language;
it makes those who
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Jed the issue is not the warming, it is the attribution.
I am certain that a large majority of climatologists attribute the warming
to CO2 produced by humans. Whether that is 97% or 80% or 75% makes no
difference to the point I am making here.
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
If this 'bribe 3000' scientists can be taken of an example of the logic
that supports global warming, I am shocked.
You misunderstand. This is not an argument in support of global warming. It
is an argument against conspiracy theories such as the
And according to the following article, the documentary will include
convincing footage:
http://doubtfulnews.com/2012/12/bigfoot-dna-results-will-be-accompanied-by-video-footage-of-creatures/
Andre the Giant was living proof of a crossover event...
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:
And according to the following article, the documentary will include
convincing footage:
Hi,
On 5-12-2012 15:27, Vorl Bek wrote:
I seem to recall that Jojo has been called a 'bible fanatic' and
worse. Do you expect him to quietly put up with that kind of
insult?
What's wrong with calling somebody a bible fanatic?
It's just an opinion like any other and should not be treated as an
Hello group,
According to a recent email by Francesco Celani posted on 22passi, it
appears that thermal anomalies from his treated constantan wires hav
been successfully and independently validated by some researchers
affiliated with a major multinational corporation.
Source (in italian):
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Oh no, Rothwell has uncovered our plot! I wonder how much it will take to
buy his silence? Anyone have a spare million to contribute to the
cause?[image:
;-)]
A million would be fine. It is tax deductible, and
On 2012-12-05 16:01, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
An improved version of Celani's ICCF17 presentation in a scientific
paper format was also posted on the same blog:
http://www.22passi.it/pirelli/ICCF17CelaniArtD.pdf
These are the slides mentioned in the opening post, edited to show
Chem sez:
Andre the Giant was living proof of a crossover event...
It’s my understanding Andre never had any problem finding women who
were interested in him. Therefore, Sasquatch’s “sequence” lives on!
;-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
That wire looks to have hair and coral growing on it.
Powerpoint file seems corrupt.
I can't open it.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote:
On 2012-12-05 16:01, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
An improved version of Celani's ICCF17 presentation in a scientific paper
format was also posted on the
Yeah, I got all sorts of error messages; but, kept hitting enter and it opened.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote:
Powerpoint file seems corrupt.
I can't open it.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
I wrote:
My arguments apply equally well to many other conspiracy theories, such as
the claim that the moon landings were faked . . .
I mean large conspiracies involving thousands of people. I think these are
impossible. Small conspiracies are possible. Some have occurred in history.
To
I recently sed:
... Someone’s got to have the balls to simply say, this is enuf of
this childish behavior.
This could be misconstrued as an indirect demand on my part directed
at Mr. Beaty to ban Jojo. My apologies to Mr. Beaty. That's not what I
meant when I uttered the above statement. I
Akira,
Is the implication that ST Microelectronics is the validator?
One wonders if they are an investor as well? Makes sense in a way ...
They are a Swiss-based $10 billion company best known for the recent purchase
of Ericsson. President and CEO: Carlo Bozotti ... sounds like an Italian
STMicroelectronics have patents in this field of research I found earlier.
So, it's not so strange to see them involved.
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Akira,
Is the implication that ST Microelectronics is the validator?
One wonders if they are an
Ain't that nice!
This should encourage the M.F.M. people to keep at it.
Celani says they used a completely different reactor. That's good. I
assume that means a different cell configuration that allows some other
method of calorimetry.
- Jed
Dear Akira,
I cannot open the file with the results- how great is the excess heat?
Let's see what is doing Quantum Heat now.And other groups tryingto
reproduce Francesco's method.
Peter
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:
STMicroelectronics have patents
On 2012-12-05 16:50, Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Akira,
I cannot open the file with the results-
Try this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/48w8fsbd5jigwr8/pirelli_wire_a.pdf
how great is the excess heat?
1.16W at 350 °C
Wire mass = 0.055 g
length = 200 mm
diameter = 0.2 mm
Input power not
At 06:46 AM 12/5/2012, Rob Dingemans wrote:
There is no need for them to be threatened at all.
It is just a matter of what they are being told, taught and are
believing into something like the way a religious person does and
the workings of the human mind and clever use of psychology and
At 05:51 AM 12/5/2012, John Berry wrote:
A
Arguments against global warming being real always strike me as to
self serving, too much like wishful thinking, to much like a pack a
day smoker saying smoking is good for you.
Railroad Bill: They say it'll kill me but they won't say when.
I beseech thee in the bowels of Christ, think it possible ye may be mistaken.
There is a degree of logic in what you say but...
There are MANY conspiracies that involve large numbers of people that are quite
successful. At least one 9/11 debunking site has protested as to why so many
At 06:43 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
I always say, I never start it, but I will finish it. An insult
will be responded with an insult. A ridicule with a ridicule. This
bias will be responded with bias from me.
From his other posts, finish it includes continuing the response
long
It is up to the list owner whether or not to tolerate the continued
intense trolling for outraged response. Jaro Jaro has acknowledged,
in other posts, that he's going to give back what he gets, and he
readily exaggerates what he gets, and dredges up whatever he thinks
might offend everyone
It is easy to see how wars are waged over religious beliefs...
On Wednesday, December 5, 2012, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 06:43 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
I always say, I never start it, but I will finish it. An insult will be
responded with an insult. A ridicule with a ridicule.
Hi,
On 5-12-2012 17:04, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
The suppression problem arises easily ...
On cold fusion ...
That took more evidence.
Well said, and therefore free speech and support for it is so important.
If you see this (independent of your own political views) also as being
Did you find a particular patent - which is similar to Celani?
A google patent search for
assignee:stmicroelectronics hydrogen
returns 8000 hits - mostly for fuel cells. Nothing specific turns up .
although .
It makes sense that in fuel cell RD - STM could have inadvertently found
At 05:24 AM 12/5/2012, Robert Lynn wrote:
J
And despite what you might believe there are very large numbers of
professional scientists who doubt the validity of the IPCC CO2
driven thermageddon thesis eg 3+ including 9000+ PhD's in this
one petition:
Thank you- this worked. The efffect of the proper
nanostructures - as Piantelli has demonstrated it first - is a scientific
certainty.
Peter
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote:
On 2012-12-05 16:50, Peter Gluck wrote:
Dear Akira,
I cannot open the
On 2012-12-05 16:01, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
Hello group,
The results of this independent validation will likely be presented
during this event, on December 14th:
http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/Coherence%202012_Brochure.pdf
Have a look at the bottom left portion of the second page of
On 2012-12-05 16:47, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Ain't that nice!
This should encourage the M.F.M. people to keep at it.
It appears they have been already aware of these results for weeks, but
they had an agreement to not disclose them before mid-December (too late
now). Maybe that's where much of
quite the tongue twister.
harry
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
quite the tongue twister.
See also Annie May the sea anemone enemy:
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2005/11/14
- Jed
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
You could do a petition like that on cold fusion and might still find a
majority of professional scientists who think that cold fusion was
rejected long ago. Answers that you get can depend on the questions asked,
and asking people for opinions
thanks for the image... and also for the leak about STMicro (8o)
note that ST have been seen earlier
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=37t=150p=461hilit=STMicroelectronics#p461
10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals
*10-14 April 2012 *
Well, it seems at least two people other than myself are objective enough to
see the truth for what it is.
You are absolutely right Vorl. I am only giving out what I receive and you
are objective enough to see that. An insult for an insult. A Ridicule for
a ridicule. A stupid word for
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
There are MANY conspiracies that involve large numbers of people that are
quite successful.
I don't think so.
At least one 9/11 debunking site has protested as to why so many
conspiracy theorists ignore the most obvious conspiracy at the center:
What religious belief? This argument started because danny body felt he can
insult me and my beliefs and not suffer a response. This is not about
religion, this is about common civilized decency.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: ChemE Stewart
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
Herein lies the problem Rob. You remain oblivious and biased to see the
problem. That's why you fail to understand why it is a problem. People
feel that they can freely and liberally insult a Christian without
consequence. Try insulting a muslim and see how far you get. Try putting
the
At 02:40 PM 12/5/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I would be tempted to add a few multiple choice questions such as:
M. C. H. McKubre of SRI is known for using what type of calorimeter:
A. Seebeck.
B. Mass flow.
C. An ice calorimeter.
D. Davis-Besse.
E. He made up his results out of whole cloth
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy
The above is the definition of conspiracy. Apparently, you may find it helpful.
This deception was practiced openly(???). I can also offer definitions of
'oxymoron or 'contradiction in terms', if that would help.
I wrote:
At least one 9/11 debunking site has protested as to why so many
conspiracy theorists ignore the most obvious conspiracy at the center:
there is no evidence that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 and the whole
war was based on lies.
That was not a conspiracy, which is defined
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy
The above is the definition of conspiracy. Apparently, you may find
it helpful.
I find it inaccurate. It says:
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
That would
Congratulations on your accomplishment.
Your setup has a similar character to the designs that Chan is most
accomplished at, especially propane; Chan loves propane.
I suggest that you include a spark discharge capability to your system.
This will give you a degree of control. DGT has this
Hi,
I have followed the adventure of Brillouin, and heard of SRI...
For what i understand SRI is an innovation incubator of research results,
which is special because it does not reject LENR without looking...
I have heard other saying that it was created at the begining of CF
controversy to host
I followed the speeches and announcements of the Bush White House quite
religiously cause I was a fan of Bush.
I don't recall Bush ever claiming that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Bush
said that he saw Iraq as a future threat (which I agree wtih.) The biased MSM
then turned around and
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
This deception was practiced openly(???). I can also offer definitions
of 'oxymoron or 'contradiction in terms', if that would help.
Many deceptions are openly practiced. As I said, a politician running for
office may say: crime has risen to sky high
You could assert the same about a magic act on stage at Vegas. I shall,
however, continue to insist that, to the extent a thing depends on deception,
it is not open - and to the degree it is open, it is not deception.
As this discussion has now ventured into the Pythonesque, I can only add
This subject may have already been thoroughly discussed in the past, but if not
I think it would be a good one for us to consider. On occasions I have seen
one LENR material used within a device compared to a second one based upon the
power being extracted and the mass of nickel. An example
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
You could assert the same about a magic act on stage at Vegas. I shall,
however, continue to insist that, to the extent a thing depends on
deception, it is not open - and to the degree it is open, it is not
deception.
Then I suggest you examine
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It is relatively simple to understand that the power must pass through the
surface area of a sphere or other geometric shape on its way to being
measured. Furthermore, the teachings of Dr. Storms and many others
suggest that the surface features of
I think this is important news.
Celani has revealed that an important industry has done tempative
replication of his experiment with what seem positive results so far.
You can find the original presented by Celani at a public meeting at the
Istituto Pirelli High School in Rome (thanks to
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:23 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone debunked this device, apparently built by the WITTS?
What's the yellow box on the bottom of the table under the geneerat
I'm more
oops sorry i missed some earlier postings that ended in the spam bin...
2012/12/5 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com
I think this is important news.
Celani has revealed that an important industry has done tempative
replication of his experiment with what seem positive results so
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote:
oops sorry i missed some earlier postings that ended in the spam bin...
It is good that you brought it up, even though it has already been posted.
This is important news.
Please let us know if you find more information in Italian.
- Jed
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:02 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm more interested in whether any third parties have inspected this device
and provided reports.
I've been in this OU biness for a while and have not seen it discussed
that I can recall. Mosey on over to overunity.com
Alain,
SRI International is a nonprofit research institute established by Stanford
University in 1946.
Mike McKubre works there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRI_International
-Mark Iverson
From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [mailto:alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Alain
Here there is an interesting bit of information:
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Programma%20coherence%20dicembrerev6.pdf
Results of LENR experiments in STMicroelectronics.
Ubaldo Mastromatteo STMicroelectronics IMS RD non conventional
technologies
Health Energy – Company Fellow
Now I
Interesting Calculation:
I completed a very quick and rough calculation of the watts per area factor
that I mentioned in an earlier post. I obtained .923 watts/cm^2 from the
latest excess power estimate of the Celani experiment. When this is taken
downward to 10 micrometer radius, I
Yes. SRI was contracted to the Electric Power Research Institute. An
organization that does research for the electric utility industry. When FP
announced, McKubre, an electrochemist, had been working for years with
palladium hydride. They were in a prime position to get a research contract.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_other_cheek
Scriptural reference
The phrase originates from the Sermon on the Mount in the New
Testament. In the Gospel of Matthew, an alternative for an eye for an
eye is given by Jesus:
38 ¶ Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and
cloud free night views of USA and of Earth via NASA satellite -- much
change since I went to college in 1960...: Rich Murray 2012.12.05
Credit: NASA Earth Observatory/NOAA NGDC (Phys.org) -- Scientists
unveiled today an unprecedented new look at our planet at night.
A global composite image,
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
People often use powder these days, which has a surface area slightly
astronomical. I have no idea how you would compute that! Perhaps some
method similar to dropping a little oil on water to estimate Avogodro's
Ok, thanks for the confirmation that SRI is not dedicated to LENR, or too
much linked.
It is a generalist non-profit research center dedicated to innovation.
i was afraid thate there was a huge difference between the official
version, and reality..
I have found a way to calculate the area, volume, and number of spheres
required to have any specified mass once a radius is chosen. I made a
spreadsheet chart that suggested that the HUG MFMP would see 17.4 watts of
excess power if they ground their wire into 10 micrometer diameter spheres
MFMP have done very careful work and documented it well. Yet when they
showed a watt or so of apparent excess heat around the U.S. Thanksgiving
holiday, they did not make a claim. Instead, they held it to be in the
noise, not clearly separable from the variance between their calibration
runs.
Now
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote:
Now we have this new result showing ~1 watt of excess heat at some high
operating power (not stated but sufficient to raise the cell temp to 350C).
By implication, I am asked to believe that the team making the measurement
Push noise down or raise the signal a high up- this is the basic option.
The first choice is passive, the second active.
Which one will one lead to useful Cold Fusion?
The main trend today is silent implicit desperation.
Peter
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm more interested in whether any third parties have inspected this
device and provided reports.
I've been in this OU biness for a while and have not seen it
discussed that I can recall. Mosey on over to overunity.com
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