It is up to the list owner whether or not to tolerate the continued
intense trolling for outraged response. Jaro Jaro has acknowledged,
in other posts, that he's going to give back what he gets, and he
readily exaggerates what he gets, and dredges up whatever he thinks
might offend everyone who has *ever* pointed out what he does,
seriously or in jest.
Most mailing lists would have long ago banned him. That's just a
fact, not an insult.
At 12:58 AM 12/5/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
What a piece of work you are. Your mother must have really screwed
you up raising you. First, you initiate the insult and then call
for a banning when those you insulted respond IN KIND.
I guess I'm fortunate you don't own this list.
No, Jaro Jaro is *unfortunate*, because if Daniel owned the list,
he'd be prevented from wasting more time -- his own as well as that
of others -- frothing at the mouth.
Tell me exactly, what list rule have I violated deserving to be
banned like you advocate; other than the fact that you do not like
the truth of what I speak of. Are you still dwelling on the "moon
god worshippers" comment I made. So, you want me banned for telling
the truth that allah is a moon god of some arab tribe of
muhammed? Are you also going to ban me for saying muhammed had
dozens of wives? Hey, instead of just banning me, why don't you
just issue a fatwah against me to have me killed, since I "insulted"
both allah and muhammed? Yes, I've insulted both of them by telling
the truth about each of them.
Jaro Jaro is anonymous, one wonders if he would be so foolishly brave
if he were a known person, as are many of us on this list. There are
idiot Muslims just as there are idiot Christians, idiot atheists,
etc., and if you poke them, indeed, they will kill you if they can,
and make them angry enough, they will make sure they can. Some of
them are "high functioning." And they may kill innocents along with you.
If Jaro Jaro were telling the truth, it would be, at least, some
level of justification, though telling the truth in some contexts is
morally reprehensible.
But Jaro Jaro picks whatever topic seems to him to be sufficiently
outrageous to the majority, to assert as "truth."
"Allah" is a word, and it has an etymology. It is pretty clearly a
contraction of "al-ilah," literally, "the god," or "the object of
worship." The use of the definite article "al-" implies that the
referent is clear, Allah is not merely "a god," but "the god," i.e,
the source, the One God, and that's how the word is used, by Arabs,
including Christian Arabs. Jaro Jaro's view would be at best
pedantic, but it's much worse than that. He's taking some assertion
as to religious history and claiming that *this is what people
actually believe.*
It's not an "insult," though he intends it as one. It's entirely too
stupid. But because of the intention, in some jurisdictions, his
speech would be illegal, probably because it could incite idiots to murder.
Muhammad did not have "dozens of wives," that's again, merely stupid.
Muhammad had one wife, until she died. He then married about a dozen
women. This was actually, it appears, a common tribal pattern at the
time. A widow would marry a young man, and when she died, if he had
the means, he would then marry multiple wives, and when he dies, they
each would marry a young man, giving him his start in life, etc. But so what?
The real point here is that this is all totally irrelevant to the
purposes of this list. Another pointed out that we allow friendly
banter that is off-topic. That does not extend to allowing trolling
for outraged response. And that's what Jaro Jaro has been doing for a
long time.
People have been banned from this list for much less.
