[Vo]:New, Much Higher Radiation Safety Limits
WHITE HOUSE APPROVES RADICAL RADIATION CLEANUP ROLLBACK http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/news/2013/04/09/white-house-approves-radical-radiation-cleanup-rollback.html
Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, David Roberson wrote: Good point Eric. I saw a short video and the fan blade was tiny. About the size of a large model plane prop. I would guess a couple of watts, but it is difficult to determine. A fan is unprofessional, it's a publicity stunt, a distraction. If they're *calculating* the fan wattage, be even more suspicious. They could be way off, using it to fool themselves, or even choosing such a method to avoid simple obviuous tests. Instead, ignore the calcs and get an empirical estimate by running an exactly identical fan device with a DC motor, and measure the operating volts/amps. Or better, get rid of the fan, instead use their device to power a DC generator hooked to a resistor. But that would be simple unavoidable truth, not a flashy fan which performs *apparently* impressive work, while actually their watt claims may evaporate if investigated. Estimating magnet energy: if your magnet is composed of many long thin magnet rods, you can let each rod flip over into attractive mode while performing some work. When half the rods have flipped, and you have a random pack of strongly-attracting NSNS rods, that's a fairly close approximation to an unmagnetized material. Unmagnetized doesn't exactly mean random, instead it means that all the flux paths are circles confined within the metal. Also this: Unmagnetized: Two horse-shoe magnets held N-to-S to form a closed ring, with zero flux outside the metal. Magnetize: Force one of the horse-shoes to rotate 180deg to again form a ring, but where the N pole is now against the N-pole of the other, and the flux from both halves is extending out into surrounding space. And, the net work needed to rotate one horseshoe against repulsion? That's the energy needed for magnetizing. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
Ok, well here we go. Now this may require suspending some disbelief, but here goes. I have found that I can actually engineer the aether, and that while some dynamics of the aether make up matter and EM, other dynamics, speeds etc.. Make up chi, orgone, scalar, dark energy and dark matter. Note: That movements in the aether makes up matter is a case very powerfully made by Nobel prize winning physicist Frank Wilczek, from his research with parcile accelerators and supercomputers. Light is a Terrahertz frequency Electric and Magnetic wave/particle that transmits through the aether. That means that light structures the aether since light is structured aether. This allows for the creation of circuits and 'machines' to be made of mere images! So before you conclude I'm off my rocker, please try to feel some generally subtle sensation from either of these: http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7294/thelateststrongest.png Feel this one directly over the screen, works better in a darkened room where there aren't interfering light patterns. (energy may also be felt around the image) http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/1438/shooterv53.png Feel the energy coming from the right side of the monitor. The sensations can take time to build up as the device gains energy, and as your palm fills with energy. Some people can only feel the energy occasionally. Now my aim is to get this to a physically detectable energy, or better yet to actually put it to use to create an effect. I would like suggestions, if you accept that there is a fluid/gas aether (primarily entrained by the earth) then what kind of energy would use use to effect it? How would you create an aetheric disturbance that might manifest physically? So please, have a good feel and see if you can detect something (generally subtle, but not always) , a cool, a warmth, a tingle, a pressure, a buzzy feeling, a flow. John On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:08 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Fran, Sorry that I missed your explanation. I am not sure that I understand how one would detect your ether, but perhaps one day it will become clear. The twin paradox always blows my mind since from my perspective both twins would age the same. Choose a frame of reference that is moving at a speed that is exactly half the relative speed between them. In this frame one twin moves to the right at a certain speed and the other moves to the left at the same speed. To me, both age at the same relatively slow rate. There is no difference except for the acceleration that one twin undergoes if only his ship is powered. The bottom line is that there would be no difference in age between them unless it is due to the effect of acceleration. This is an example of how the choice of an observation frame can reveal interesting results. Have you ever asked yourself when a certain event actually occurs? You know no more about what will happen in the next moment to an object that is many light years away as you know about one that is next door. Until energy can find its way to your sensors, there is no information available. Of course we know how long it takes that energy to reach us from the far reaches of space and we thus subtract that travel time from the present observations. Observers there can just as easily look this way and see the Sun, Earth, and other parts of our solar system being formed and wonder if one day intelligent life will hail from the mess. If only they could read the future to which they have little knowledge. So, how do you define the present from our perspective? Is it what we observe happening at this very moment? Why is our observation point any better than that of the guys across the universe? Dave (with his heretic hat on) -Original Message- From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? Dave, I didn’t say there is one special velocity of ether… only that the “ambient” / average pressure or rate of ether displacement will always appear to be 300 million m/s no matter what velocity/ inertial frame you are in, which is a simple expansion on the Paradox Twin phenomena where we as 3D observers can never be aware of variations in this rate.. In the macro world we know that only the square law of gravity wells will slowly vary the isotropy. Far below the plank scale we know we have wormholes and broken isotropy occurring all around us in what is termed the quantum foam but this normally averages out to the macroscopic average we consider isotropic by the time we get to any real building blocks of physical matter… IMHO, the Casimir effect, or NAE are examples of geometry and conductive metals segregating these sub plank levels of gravity variations between the outside and inside of their plate areas to concentrate a deficit in
Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
It is worth noting that Yildiz might not have expected his motor to fail. And as such did not think that the load was very important. A fan is a perfect load for being unobtrusive, imagine the doubt if he had it turn an electrical generator? And unlike a prony brake (plus you would not leave a friction brake going for 5.5 hours), it is a good public demonstration of energy. John
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:20:59, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I can probably prove the reality of this to anyone interested with the investment of only 2-3 minutes and no materials needed. OK. No materials, so this sounds like a subjective-perception 'psychic phenomenon' demo? Much more convincing is to discover an effect which lacks any human component. Fire aether-balls at a microphone membrane? Also: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, David Roberson wrote: That is an interesting idea, but I continue to have a difficult time accepting the concept that there is one special velocity... The old Luminiferous Aether implied absolute position and velocity, as if space was filled with water. The Luminiferous Aether was debunked. Beware of semantic problems, since Luminiferous Aether does not equal aether in general. I think Einstein said something like this: of course aether exists, did you think that the vacuum possesses no characteristics at all? In that case, Alcubierre space warp is Einstein Aether starship propulsion. And perhaps we can build a cutting tool which shoots out little blobs of cosmic inflation? :) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
William, please read my previous emails and give feeling the energy a try. Anyway, as to the reference frame debate, if there were an aether that was not entrained by the earth, then a drift should have been detected by now. But the model I am using is of an aether, a substance to space that is dragged by the earth. And additionally it might be possible to effect an aether condensate (as Frank Wilczek calls it in his book: The lightness of being) that may not actually be suitable to overcome the background reference frames for light. Having said that, there are indications that this can be done, but I have no interest in debating this topic. With frame dragging, ZPE, Driac sea, a seething frothy foam of virtual particles, the fine structure constant, bending of the fabric of space, the idea that some parts of the universe may be moving away from us faster than the speed of light which is not meant to break SR since the very fabric of space is moving. So really, there is tons of evidence for an aether by various different names accepted in physics. John On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:07 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:20:59, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I can probably prove the reality of this to anyone interested with the investment of only 2-3 minutes and no materials needed. OK. No materials, so this sounds like a subjective-perception 'psychic phenomenon' demo? Much more convincing is to discover an effect which lacks any human component. Fire aether-balls at a microphone membrane? Also: On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, David Roberson wrote: That is an interesting idea, but I continue to have a difficult time accepting the concept that there is one special velocity... The old Luminiferous Aether implied absolute position and velocity, as if space was filled with water. The Luminiferous Aether was debunked. Beware of semantic problems, since Luminiferous Aether does not equal aether in general. I think Einstein said something like this: of course aether exists, did you think that the vacuum possesses no characteristics at all? In that case, Alcubierre space warp is Einstein Aether starship propulsion. And perhaps we can build a cutting tool which shoots out little blobs of cosmic inflation? :) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates
This is in contradiction with the performance of Rossi's 'hot cat' where he's getting 1000 degrees C. Copper melts at 1083 degrees C. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi might have tried a ready made nickel-copper heat exchanger as his reactor, because they have lots of surface area for the absorption of hydrogen. Harry On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: If Rossi needs a copper tube to generate heat someone should try using an alloy of copper and nickel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupronickel Come to think of it Celani is already doing this because his wire is made of constantan which contains copper and nickel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantan Harry On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/04/updates-to-rossis-european-patent-application/ links to https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805lng=entab=doclist Main comments on e-catworld (quick read) : In his newest version of claims, the fact that the reactor tube needs to be copper has now made it up to claim 1, and in his letter this is pointed out as being an essential factor. and a letter saying it's rejected because CF isn't mainstream science : https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=EUIP1SP64903FI4number=EP08873805lng=ennpl=false
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
A worthwhile improvement for both images: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: A worthwhile improvement for both images: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote: I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
RE: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates
Recall that many codeposit approaches (see Boss for example) use Pd on Copper or Ni on Cu. Cu and Au are often helpful in fine powders or in the production of black for these kinds of experiments. D2 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 01:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rossi might have tried a ready made nickel-copper heat exchanger as his reactor, because they have lots of surface area for the absorption of hydrogen. Harry On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If Rossi needs a copper tube to generate heat someone should try using an alloy of copper and nickel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupronickel Come to think of it Celani is already doing this because his wire is made of constantan which contains copper and nickel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantan Harry On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/04/updates-to-rossis-european-patent-application/ links to https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP08873805lng=entab=doclist Main comments on e-catworld (quick read) : In his newest version of claims, the fact that the reactor tube needs to be copper has now made it up to claim 1, and in his letter this is pointed out as being an essential factor. and a letter saying it's rejected because CF isn't mainstream science : https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=EUIP1SP64903FI4number=EP08873805lng=ennpl=false
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
Eric, I am not sure why Michaelson and Morely expected to find any drift in a “spatial” direction.. all the relativistic evidence shows that acceleration only results in a temporal displacement..that is to say that time and ether share the same axis at 90 degrees to all 3 spatial axis and have a Pythagorean relationship with space..they should have been testing for time dilation not spatial drift.. This also results in syntax error when it is encountered because time and space are exchanging metrics from our 3d perspective trapped within a single inertial frame. Limiting ether to a spatial axis is naïve and disagrees with how we see a gravity well always pointing “down” regardless of which side of a planet you stand on..it again suggests an orientation of a flow 90 degrees to all 3 spatial directions. The Wave Structure of Matter suggests to me a canoe stuck in a waterfall where only certain vacuum wavelengths have the correct characteristics to get stuck in the waterfall [our physical 3d plane] and get swept along in our spatial plane while other “virtual particles” keep migrating across our plane between future and past, pushing their way through gas atoms to whom they impart HUP [jitter] energy to that accounts for ZPE or the inability of some gases to freeze at 0 kelvin… the nonphysical axis only becoming momentarily solid as it passes through the waterfall we call the Present in the form of virtual particles. John says he wants to engineer the ether but the isotropy is very difficult to break..Just segregating it a little bit with Casimir geometry or other quantum application of London forces seems to be the best science has managed so far.. I think his suggestion of shapes and patterns to form “circuits” should be considered “effect” not “cause” by a very wide margin. I do like his idea of engineering the ether but totally disagree with this suggested implementation. Hopefully he has other alternative suggestions. Fran From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:33 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? It seems to me that the idea of an ether is a useful one, albeit not in the form people were anticipating early last century. I believe they expected to find experimental evidence of a general movement in a specific direction if an ether existed. I see no reason to think that an either needs to be like a wind blowing through our part of the cosmos at a speed relative to ours. Assuming for a moment that it exists in a useful sense, it could be stationary in relation to spacetime (i.e., any possible frame of reference allowed by relativity). I like the concept of an ether because it provides something for waves to propagate through. It seems to me that we've already adopted something vaguely along these lines in a practical sense by positing zero point energy; i.e., the void is not really a void. Eric On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I see that you two believe in some form of ether that modifies the space around us. That is an interesting idea, but I continue to have a difficult time accepting the concept that there is one special velocity to use as a reference.
[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Depressing statistic about North Korea
NHK reported the other day that the money North Korea has spent on its rocked and nuclear bomb tests in the last few years has been enough to buy enough corn to feed the entire population for three years. Elsewhere I read that North Korea's GDP is $40 billion. Samsung's annual sales are $220 billion, a factor 5.5 times larger. Imagine Samsung trying to develop missiles and nuclear weapons. South Korea's GDP is $1.1 trillion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:QED and LENR+
Thank you, the scientific story becomes more and more interesting. Peter On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: One of the key characteristics of the quantum world is that light and matter can combine. This quantum electrodynamics (QED) condition is central the transmission and reflection of light through a solid. A photon can be absorbed by an electron and then reemitted. The time that it takes for the electron to process a photon is called the capture time. The capture time of the photon is important to the LENR+ reaction because while the photon and electron are combined, the electron becomes a boson with spin of 1. This enables the electron/photon pair to form a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC) because when the pair remains coupled the bosonic nature makes BEC’s possible. When paired, the photon also reduces the weight of the electron. This very low weight enables BEC formation at very high temperatures. Both the coupling time and strength can be substantially increased by engineering optimal nanostructures. One attempt at this engineering effort succeeded in increasing the coupling strength by 16 times over the bulk condition. From the referenced paper: “Additional surface passivation that preserves the polaritonic nature of the excitations at small nanowire diameters allows us to push the observed vacuum Rabi splitting to values of up to 200 meV in comparison to bulk values of 82 meV. These results provide new avenues to achieve very high coupling strengths (beyond bulk) potentially enabling application of exciting phenomena such as Bose-Einstein condensation of polaritons, efficient light-emitting diodes and lasers,” Because one ev is translated to 10,000 K in temperature, this 200 meV value corresponds to a maximum BEC temperature of 2000K. Backup info for tis post can be found at phys.org/pdf227265287.pdf Lighten up: Polaritons with tunable photon-exciton coherence and One-dimensional polaritons with size-tunable and enhanced coupling strengths in semiconductor nanowires www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/05/23/1102212108.full.pdf or www.pnas.org/content/108/25/10050.full -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
Has no one tried it yet? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:56 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote: A worthwhile improvement for both images: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.comwrote: I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates
At 01:23 AM 4/17/2013, Teslaalset wrote: This is in contradiction with the performance of Rossi's 'hot cat' where he's getting 1000 degrees C. Copper melts at 1083 degrees C. The thermalization takes place elsewhere ... in particular, away from the nickel/hydrogen, where the patent says 500C.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates
I know where it takes place ... in the tenth of thousand of warm regards! 2013/4/17 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com At 01:23 AM 4/17/2013, Teslaalset wrote: This is in contradiction with the performance of Rossi's 'hot cat' where he's getting 1000 degrees C. Copper melts at 1083 degrees C. The thermalization takes place elsewhere ... in particular, away from the nickel/hydrogen, where the patent says 500C.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Depressing statistic about North Korea
I think that money in North Korea is slightly different thing compared on what we have used to. This does not however make this topic any less depressing. Interesting thing that I learned today was that Costa Rica abolished their military altogether in 1948 and they have had plenty of resources to be spent on education and wellbeing. Costa Rica is now the happiest nation in the world! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces ―Jouni On Apr 17, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: NHK reported the other day that the money North Korea has spent on its rocked and nuclear bomb tests in the last few years has been enough to buy enough corn to feed the entire population for three years. Elsewhere I read that North Korea's GDP is $40 billion. Samsung's annual sales are $220 billion, a factor 5.5 times larger. Imagine Samsung trying to develop missiles and nuclear weapons. South Korea's GDP is $1.1 trillion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down
35+ Reasons Why I Think Yildiz' Magnet Motor Really Works http://peswiki.com/index.php/Article:_35%2B_Reasons_Why_I_Think_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_Really_Works Reasons include: no heat, it runs at ambient temperature • Dr. Jorge Duarte has measured 240 Watts for 5 hours and has seen inside: no battery; I know it works • other professionals impressed • stop/start performance consistent with torque source expected from magnet motor • movement of small motor is consistent with magnet behavior • many evidences of many magnets inside. (PESWiki; April 16, 2013)
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
No replies, hmmm. I have sent this to 5 people on this list privately. 2 have repoted back, they both felt something. (one of those took a while before I made one he could feel) And 3 failed to reply all together, ignoring me outright. So I can image some peoples minds might be too limited to try this. But I'd like to encourage everyone to give it a try. It isn't unscientific, although it is prone to being subjective. But the idea that a tangible energy might come from a pattern of light is merely 'exotic' and not actually implausible. Light is a thing, as is space even according to modern physics. So if it isn't even contracting any tenets of physics, then it is merely 'New'. And extraordinary. Is that any reason to ignore it? John
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
John I examined your images in series from your last post, and I have to say at the very least I could feel sensations in my head as I gazed upon them. Mind you, as I initially just skimmed your emails, I didn't see the part about your expectations before I wrote the following, and it appears I felt what you had indicated, unprompted no less! The first seemed to affect my auditory center in the right brain, the second, seemed to give me the feeling of a flow left to right cross hemispheric, and the final (most recent) a slight twisting sensation. It would be interesting to see what might be revealed in a P.E.T. scan. I tend to be hyper-sensitive so to feel something in my head does not entirely surprise me . I will say I have not tried them in a dark room yet. Just so I know, should these be viewed from the screen or from a printed paper. Big difference there. Screen = emitted columnar light flowing at a right angle to the earths gravity/aether flow, whereas printed is reflected/absorbed wavelengths and diffuse light in line with the aether flow. Each would have differing effects on local aether. I would expect that, if printed, the best application would be to place a hand below the page to allow gravity flow to pass through and modify aether flow like a filter, the hand or head even, located below the image would feel something as a result. I think you should read this http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm, I believe you'll see as I did that the authors story suggests creating aether/gravity circuitry, a bit like what you're doing. I have a feeling this stuff is related somehow. His would be more of a 3D circuit made of matter voids akin to microwave circuitry, whereas yours seems to be a bit more on the end of the relationship between aether and photon in a 2D sort of way. All very intriguing John! Gibson From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? Has no one tried it yet? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:56 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:43 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: A worthwhile improvement for both images: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:32 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I sent the wrong image by mistake, the first link should have been this one: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/4411/thelateststrongest2.png
RE: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
These are very unusual images. They do elicit emotion. Some of that could be based on similarities to known symbolism as opposed to an aether effect, but then again, that symbolism itself may derive from some kind of primitive understanding of the way that optical images interact with brain neutrons. The shooter is reminiscent of Navaho art and the latest/strongest to Egyptian imagery. I shrunk the second one down to get 9 on a page, then printed cut and stacked the images to see if there was anything which showed up on a gram scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute. Jones From: John Berry Has no one tried it yet? And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png
RE: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
From: Gibson Elliot Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? John I think you should read this http://www.rexresearch.com/grebenn/grebenn.htm, I believe you'll see as I did that the authors story suggests creating aether/gravity circuitry, a bit like what you're doing. I have a feeling this stuff is related somehow. I see what you mean. Check out the honeycomb pain killer. I bet it works for most everyone but Bob Park and Randi ... The native American dream catcher has a strong placebo effect on many natives and non-natives alike. Look for this to be an Obama-Care option on the new budget. Most doctors will tell you that the cure of a placebo is no less real than the cure from some of the newest medications ... which are now pushing $1000 for a 30 day supply. Heck, I think I will re-weigh John's images under the dream catcher... g attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
Subtle changes in the image and it would be very different. Ok, here, I made 2 images, I wanted them to look almost identical, one is active and one isn't, I just went ahead and labeled them, so if you wanted a blind test no luck. http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9209/activeandinactive.png I was limited as to what I could do to keep the images similar in form, but make one strong and the other off. If the effects was simply due to seeing some vague representation of an Ahnk then both images have that. Now this is not the best image to start with, and not the best if your ability to feel any effect is marginal, but worth a shot. The image is very sensitive to any manipulation of colours, so if your monitor or videocard is set to vivid, or has a gamma correction, brightness or contrast or other manipulation so the exact colour values aren't delivered, this entire image could be quite relatively inactive. I will work on an image suitable for scale testing, face up and face down might be imperfect especially because once energized it can retain some activity despite reduced lighting. but a boost is observed from turning a light on. John On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: These are very unusual images. They do elicit emotion. ** ** Some of that could be based on similarities to known symbolism as opposed to an aether effect, but then again, that symbolism itself may derive from some kind of primitive understanding of the way that optical images interact with brain neutrons. The “shooter” is reminiscent of Navaho art and the latest/strongest to Egyptian imagery. ** ** I shrunk the second one down to get 9 on a page, then printed cut and stacked the images to see if there was anything which showed up on a gram scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute. ** ** Jones ** ** *From:* John Berry ** ** Has no one tried it yet? ** ** ** ** And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png ** ** All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. ** ** Again, best in a dark room (but not required). ** ** Feel for any sensations. ** ** http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png ** ** http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png ** ** ** ** ** **
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
John My big HP monitor is too hot at even 4 inches for me to feel anything with my palm but the heat coming off the thing. Part of it may in fact be that I have to force my hand at an odd angle to do this and that causes stresses in the hand, ligaments, vessels blood flow etc... Are you using a CRT or flat display? Keep in mind what allows people to feel a sensation from these is going to differ from person to person as you have observed. In my case, visually, and what I feel inside my head is I suppose my sensitivity. I have felt CSE effects from various structures when nobody with me could. Those I could feel with my palm. So some people will likely be attuned to different effects. Gibson From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? Subtle changes in the image and it would be very different. Ok, here, I made 2 images, I wanted them to look almost identical, one is active and one isn't, I just went ahead and labeled them, so if you wanted a blind test no luck. http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9209/activeandinactive.png I was limited as to what I could do to keep the images similar in form, but make one strong and the other off. If the effects was simply due to seeing some vague representation of an Ahnk then both images have that. Now this is not the best image to start with, and not the best if your ability to feel any effect is marginal, but worth a shot. The image is very sensitive to any manipulation of colours, so if your monitor or videocard is set to vivid, or has a gamma correction, brightness or contrast or other manipulation so the exact colour values aren't delivered, this entire image could be quite relatively inactive. I will work on an image suitable for scale testing, face up and face down might be imperfect especially because once energized it can retain some activity despite reduced lighting. but a boost is observed from turning a light on. John On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: These are very unusual images. They do elicit emotion. Some of that could be based on similarities to known symbolism as opposed to an aether effect, but then again, that symbolism itself may derive from some kind of primitive understanding of the way that optical images interact with brain neutrons. The “shooter” is reminiscent of Navaho art and the latest/strongest to Egyptian imagery. I shrunk the second one down to get 9 on a page, then printed cut and stacked the images to see if there was anything which showed up on a gram scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute. Jones From:John Berry Has no one tried it yet? And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
John You may want to start collecting information from those that do respond to you. Blue sky, but If you could get Genetic information you might be able to identify certain correlations between images/structures and the people who feel them. Or focus on those with strong reactions. I suspect that you have developed quite a few images, could you send me all you have available? No indications of active or inactive, just numbered. I'll set things up at my lab to do a blind study. If you could give pantone numbers for the colors you use, I could have them printed by a local printer to exact specification, and checked blind across as many people as I can expose to them. Do you have any data regarding how far away a person can feel effects of various images? Any that can be felt further away? My thinking here is that piling them one on top of the other might affect each other. Aether does permeate everything and so shielding or isolating them could be an issue. Hence the questions about distance. I may have to bring cards into range one at a time. Gibson From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? Subtle changes in the image and it would be very different. Ok, here, I made 2 images, I wanted them to look almost identical, one is active and one isn't, I just went ahead and labeled them, so if you wanted a blind test no luck. http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9209/activeandinactive.png I was limited as to what I could do to keep the images similar in form, but make one strong and the other off. If the effects was simply due to seeing some vague representation of an Ahnk then both images have that. Now this is not the best image to start with, and not the best if your ability to feel any effect is marginal, but worth a shot. The image is very sensitive to any manipulation of colours, so if your monitor or videocard is set to vivid, or has a gamma correction, brightness or contrast or other manipulation so the exact colour values aren't delivered, this entire image could be quite relatively inactive. I will work on an image suitable for scale testing, face up and face down might be imperfect especially because once energized it can retain some activity despite reduced lighting. but a boost is observed from turning a light on. John On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: These are very unusual images. They do elicit emotion. Some of that could be based on similarities to known symbolism as opposed to an aether effect, but then again, that symbolism itself may derive from some kind of primitive understanding of the way that optical images interact with brain neutrons. The “shooter” is reminiscent of Navaho art and the latest/strongest to Egyptian imagery. I shrunk the second one down to get 9 on a page, then printed cut and stacked the images to see if there was anything which showed up on a gram scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute. Jones From:John Berry Has no one tried it yet? And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. Again, best in a dark room (but not required). Feel for any sensations. http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/6029/shooterv54.png
Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here?
I replied to Gibson in private with various details, but wrote this part for the group: For me more interesting is to work out what is required to make this interact with matter. Consider that dark matter and mirror matter and dark energy is considered to exist by conventional science and all effectively undetectable. Neutrinos and virtual particles are only vaguely detectable by very specialized equipment (nothing I have access to obviously) This means that there can be a lot of very real stuff that just doesn't exist in the right form to interact with matter. Charge is quantanized, so what if a particle could be made with a charge that was not 1, what if such a particle can and does exist, but we can't interact with it? So there might be many ways to make something that can't be detected readily by most most instrumentation. But there will also be ways to ensure that the energy converges on the physical, and as such it may produce a host of anomalies, or useful effects. I am sharing this with Vo in order to get some suggestions on how to turn this into a hard science. John On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Gibson Elliot gibsonell...@yahoo.comwrote: John You may want to start collecting information from those that do respond to you. Blue sky, but If you could get Genetic information you might be able to identify certain correlations between images/structures and the people who feel them. Or focus on those with strong reactions. I suspect that you have developed quite a few images, could you send me all you have available? No indications of active or inactive, just numbered. I'll set things up at my lab to do a blind study. If you could give pantone numbers for the colors you use, I could have them printed by a local printer to exact specification, and checked blind across as many people as I can expose to them. Do you have any data regarding how far away a person can feel effects of various images? Any that can be felt further away? My thinking here is that piling them one on top of the other might affect each other. Aether does permeate everything and so shielding or isolating them could be an issue. Hence the questions about distance. I may have to bring cards into range one at a time. Gibson -- *From:* John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:09 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether theorists here? Subtle changes in the image and it would be very different. Ok, here, I made 2 images, I wanted them to look almost identical, one is active and one isn't, I just went ahead and labeled them, so if you wanted a blind test no luck. http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9209/activeandinactive.png I was limited as to what I could do to keep the images similar in form, but make one strong and the other off. If the effects was simply due to seeing some vague representation of an Ahnk then both images have that. Now this is not the best image to start with, and not the best if your ability to feel any effect is marginal, but worth a shot. The image is very sensitive to any manipulation of colours, so if your monitor or videocard is set to vivid, or has a gamma correction, brightness or contrast or other manipulation so the exact colour values aren't delivered, this entire image could be quite relatively inactive. I will work on an image suitable for scale testing, face up and face down might be imperfect especially because once energized it can retain some activity despite reduced lighting. but a boost is observed from turning a light on. John On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: These are very unusual images. They do elicit emotion. ** ** Some of that could be based on similarities to known symbolism as opposed to an aether effect, but then again, that symbolism itself may derive from some kind of primitive understanding of the way that optical images interact with brain neutrons. The “shooter” is reminiscent of Navaho art and the latest/strongest to Egyptian imagery. ** ** I shrunk the second one down to get 9 on a page, then printed cut and stacked the images to see if there was anything which showed up on a gram scale (comparing face up to face down). There was nothing objective, but I am using a laser printer so the color did not contribute. ** ** Jones ** ** *From:* John Berry ** ** Has no one tried it yet? ** ** ** ** And a 3rd image to try to feel, this contains recent development with some previous ones. http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6251/rotational.png ** ** All in an effort to reduce the odds of having people report they don't feel anything. ** ** Again, best in a dark room (but not required). ** ** Feel for any sensations. ** ** http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1139/lateststrongest4.png ** **
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Depressing statistic about North Korea
Not being able to project force invites miscalculation (e.g., of countries like North Korea). Costa Rica's happiness and peace are possible in part due to its being under the shelter of other powers. Eric On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: I think that money in North Korea is slightly different thing compared on what we have used to. This does not however make this topic any less depressing. Interesting thing that I learned today was that Costa Rica abolished their military altogether in 1948 and they have had plenty of resources to be spent on education and wellbeing. Costa Rica is now the happiest nation in the world! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces —Jouni
Re: [Vo]:QED and LENR+
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:39:24 -0400: Hi, [snip] The capture time of the photon is important to the LENR+ reaction because while the photon and electron are combined, the electron becomes a boson with spin of 1. ...if an electron has spin 1/2 and a photon spin 1, then how does the combination end up with spin 1? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
