Re: [Vo]:X-prize proposal

2014-02-21 Thread Kevin O'Malley
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Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:56 PM, David Roberson wrote: > John, it is great that we are now in agreement concerning my example of > the two parallel moving charges. It comes as a complete surprise to me > that you now accept the fact that the field observed by the stationary lab > due to one of

RE: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez: > Do you think Whoville can make its self heard? Should we? Guess it D'pends on which permutation of the marble we exist within. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOVUF-HaDw#aid=P9e_eo9PB4Q Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.y

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion a Credible Future Shock

2014-02-21 Thread Axil Axil
LENR could be just the very first baby step into the exploration of the workings of the Higgs field, the vacuum and the instantaneous speeds of entanglement and the 5th dimension. Gravity might begin to reveal its secrets to us now. When a heated pile of dust can produce the power, heat, and reacti

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
John, it is great that we are now in agreement concerning my example of the two parallel moving charges. It comes as a complete surprise to me that you now accept the fact that the field observed by the stationary lab due to one of the moving charges can influence the motion of the second movi

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:46 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I do not follow your description of the trains. What is the purpose of > the relative speed being 99.9%c during construction? > Because the reason given for which twin in the classic twin paradox is younger comes down to acceleration, the

Re: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > A fun trip. Thanks T. I must admit, I did think of you when I posted it. Do you think Whoville can make its self heard? Should we?

Re: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08LBltePDZw > > (Well worth the 1min 49 sec) > Thank you. The galaxies look like tiny little motes on the wind on a spring day, where the wind blows innumerable flower petals from the trees. Given all of thos

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion a Credible Future Shock

2014-02-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.ibtimes.com/helium-yellowstone-national-park-way-more-ancient-element-escaping-expected-1556898 Very cool find. In this case they're guessing that alpha decay from uranium and other alpha emitters is causing the high levels of 4He.

Re: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
The same thing happened to me. The background galaxies seemed to come to the front after a while. It really brings home how tiny we are compared to the universe. Every time I look at galaxies, I find it so difficult to imagine that each star is as far away as our sun is from its neighbors. T

RE: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I watched it a couple of times. The first time my brain hiccupped resulting in a weird optical illusion where the very far away galaxies started to move in the wrong direction. My brain couldn't make sense of it. Had to give the wetware a reboot. Ok the second time around. A fun trip. Thanks T. M

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:51 PM, David Roberson wrote: Harry, I am currently supporting the idea that acceleration is the main > reason for the clock differences because it would not appear reasonble to > expect a difference in clock readings if both observers continued to move > at constant velo

Re: [Vo]:Re: The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Replication by a backslap from Gen3 - whose head is also a BLP > Director is a joke. > Interesting detail. It's funny how the Gen3 replication is always mentioned as having been done at Harvard. I always misread the claim to mean that the rep

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
I do not follow your description of the trains. What is the purpose of the relative speed being 99.9%c during construction? You should be asking about the muon lifetime dilation which has been proven. Use that one for your example if you want to understand how SR works. I fail to see why you

RE: [Vo]:Re: The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl > I wrote a 10 W CIHT cell has been developed by Mills. Not a 10kW system. The system is scalable to higher power levels. Sorry to misquote you, Peter. Of course you are aware that On May 28 2008 (through about 20 National press releases

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread H Veeder
In this scenario one friend doesn't go anywhere. The other friend does the travelling. harry On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > I don't see why the "direction" of the 2 friends matter, dialation is an > effect of the velocity wrt C ... no v

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:51 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Harry, I am currently supporting the idea that acceleration is the main > reason for the clock differences because it would not appear reasonble to > expect a difference in clock readings if both observers continued to move > at constant v

Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
Someone is attempting to put words into my mouth. I need to be the one that explains how I think the model behaves. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law On Thu, F

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
Harry, I am currently supporting the idea that acceleration is the main reason for the clock differences because it would not appear reasonble to expect a difference in clock readings if both observers continued to move at constant velocities. They need to eventually come to rest at the same lo

[Vo]:Re: What do . . .

2014-02-21 Thread pjvannoorden
Hello Jones Michael Jordan died a few year ago. As i recall well another boardmember too. Peter -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Jones Beene Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 1:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:What do . . . -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton

[Vo]:Re: The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread pjvannoorden
Hello Jones, I wrote a 10 W CIHT cell has been developed by Mills. Not a 10kW system. The system is scalable to higher powerlevels. The power density of the CIHT cel is rather low, like all other systems he developed in the past. To develop a system that has a high efficiency to catalyse the hy

[Vo]:Re: The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread pjvannoorden
I said 10W not 10kW -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 6:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery Hello Jones, R. Mills has developed a kind of battery which produces directly power fro

Re: [Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
Time to go back to work on the ol' FTL drive... On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > From the Daily Grail: > > "In his wonderful fictional series The Hitchhiker's Guide to the > Galaxy, the late Douglas Adams introduced the 'Total Perspective > Vortex' - a machine built by in

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > I don't see why the "direction" of the 2 friends matter > When it comes to the ability to observe the rate of time the other party is experiencing it is everything. If one friend sees the other as receding,

Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
Harry, I was making the point that the concept with a string between the two balls was a different way of looking at a similar problem. :-) I also do not see a problem with the orientation for this experiment. The idea is interesting. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder

RE: [Vo]:Re: Curious paper from SLAC

2014-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
Fran, Nano-geometry is important, no doubt. You may not have seen this high level paper which supports the view that gain in the Lamb shift would derive from ZPF (as opposed to mass-to-energy conversion via spin coupling) but requiring a Stark shift. The Aerospace Corp has been identified with MIT

Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
Harry, I am starting to think that Biot Savart might be right too as some of the finer points of relativistic electromagnetim seem to have different expectations for experiments as I mentioned in the homopolar generator thread. But Biot Savart without relative motion to an aether becomes a ridicul

Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law

2014-02-21 Thread H Veeder
Dave, I am not sure what you mean by different angle. The orientation of the two particles hasn't changed, but they are connected by a spring. If my example does not make the paradox undeniably clear, then please see John's dramatic example. I don't know if the Biot Savart law for current carrying

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
Absolutely Harry! Another thing is that if acceleration changes anything, then you end up in a even weirder paradox. Let's propose that when travelling at near C the twin that accelerated picks up a hitch-hiker alien that has always been in this reference frame. Then when the twins are passing ea

Re: [Vo]:Velocity dependent model of Coulomb's law

2014-02-21 Thread H Veeder
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:10 AM, John Berry wrote: > Correction: > > If the result of the magnetic force being seen to act on one frame as > expected from the flux in another leads to a dramatic and non-trivial > paradox, it is going to be harder to keep up the delusion that such is > possible. >

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I don't see why the "direction" of the 2 friends matter, dialation is an effect of the velocity wrt C ... no vector is involved, just a trigonmetric relationship of the spatial plane to another dimensional axis. Bothfriends slow down the same amount regardless of direction and the only dilation

RE: [Vo]:Re: Curious paper from SLAC

2014-02-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I know Haish and Moddel based their patent on what they turned a Lamb pinch but I remain convinced the underlying source of energy is the passage of virtual particles thru our plane becoming unbalanced from normal physics by quantum geometries. without the nano geometry the random energy is una

Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:25 PM, H Veeder wrote: > > Imagine two friends with synchronized watches. One friend boards a train >> and zips away for a time at near c and then gets off and walks back to his >> friend >> so that they can compare

RE: [Vo]:Re: Curious paper from SLAC

2014-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones--nice work-- This is not to much different from my original guess as to the reaction of d-d in Pd matrix. Only I guessed the resulting He nucleus was excited in a high spin state and fractioned the energy by spin coupling to the other particles in

[Vo]:Sloan Digital Sky Survey

2014-02-21 Thread Terry Blanton
>From the Daily Grail: "In his wonderful fictional series The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the late Douglas Adams introduced the 'Total Perspective Vortex' - a machine built by inventor Trin Tragula, who after being constantly nagged by his wife to "Have some sense of proportion!" (sometimes

[Vo]:Re: Curious paper from SLAC

2014-02-21 Thread Bob Cook
Jones--nice work-- This is not to much different from my original guess as to the reaction of d-d in Pd matrix. Only I guessed the resulting He nucleus was excited in a high spin state and fractioned the energy by spin coupling to the other particles in the system. I did not know about quan

[Vo]:Two Moving Charges Taken 1 Step Further

2014-02-21 Thread David Roberson
Earlier I had shown that the electric force and magnetic forces acting between two charges moving through our lab balanced out exactly at the speed of light. And, at zero velocity, only the electric force is active as would be expected. Jones came back with a comment that this behavior is wel

RE: [Vo]:The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
Peter, There is not the least bit of reliable proof of any of these claims you make on behalf of BLP. What is you motivation in making these absurd statements? There is no 10 kW system outside of Mills' delusions of grandeur. This is fiction, and his latest "demo" suggests that he has once agai

Re: [Vo]:The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread pjvannoorden
Hello Jones, R. Mills has developed a kind of battery which produces directly power from water during the hydrino reaction. The excess power is significant. The only fuel is water. He has build a system of 10W which can run on watervapour. To make this system work without degradation is not eas

[Vo]:The "Bettery," EEStor and the f/H battery

2014-02-21 Thread Jones Beene
It is two months till Easter, which brings to mind the question on almost no one's mind: has anyone heard news of the fractional-hydrogen (hydrino TM) battery? It is a slow day, and even a rumor will do. Dead? Or merely Buried ? (note the distinction) Those who follow BLP with a critical eye were

Re: [Vo]:test for greek letters

2014-02-21 Thread H Veeder
:-) You never know what people will find useful. Harry On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:07 AM, wrote: > Thanks H Veeder. These characters do text in Kindle while the font symbol > does not. I updated my e book with these symbols and removed words like > omega. > > Frank > > > > > > θ ω ε ρ τ ψ υ

Re: [Vo]:Homopolar generators and the truth of magnetism

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
Yes, but my interest in it here is not as a free energy device, but a test of how magnteic fields are generated by moving charges. On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Foks0904 . wrote: > The HPG (or more recently known as N-Machine or SPG) is a provocative idea > that still defies conventions. I s

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility

2014-02-21 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Would they "move" from our perspective or simply expand and contract as they pass thru our 3d plane? From: John Berry [mailto:berry.joh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 9:50 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Time Dilation impossibility But Terry, but are

Re: [Vo]:Experiment Proves General Theory of Relativity to be one hundred million trillion times wrong!

2014-02-21 Thread a.ashfield
John Berry wrote. impulse produced in an impulse gravity generator (IGG) and also an experiment has been conducted in order to determine the propagation speed of the gravity impulse. Does this mean that it is accepted that gravity can be. 1 Shielded. 2.Waves projected? Wikipedia writes it is

Re: [Vo]:Homopolar generators and the truth of magnetism

2014-02-21 Thread Foks0904 .
The HPG (or more recently known as N-Machine or SPG) is a provocative idea that still defies conventions. I still haven't seen it fully verified to my satisfaction (even after extensive funding for DePalma in late 80s early 90s plus two independent evaluations). I think there is something very prof

[Vo]:Homopolar generators and the truth of magnetism

2014-02-21 Thread John Berry
Here we go again... I have strongly argued that according to SR, magnetic fields occur due to relative motion between electric charges, maybe also electric fields and an observer with a relative motion to the charge/fields. This view makes a lot of sense because you can even show that all magnet