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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:51 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Bush and ethanol in Slate.com
Zell, Chris wrote:
Much of the criticism about ethanol is simple pessimism, and ignores
the likelihood
www.physorg.com/news10434.html
The idea that this could be accomplished in only 5 to 10 years is
wonderful. There may be a lot more hope out there than we think.
We can burn ethanol in cars right now. There are no cold fusion
cars. We are still waiting for a commercially available unit, so,
you're quite right,
ethanol and cold fusion aren't comparable.
Since we are in the realm of mythology, you can believe whatever
you wish about
Groups advocating NIMBYism explicitly to fight against refining and
production
www.eco-action.org/dod/no7/66-75.html#2
Note the quote advocating universal nimbyism and doing
everything to increase industry costs.
Title: Message
Are
Big-Oil Conspiracies off base?
YES!
If any
of you really think that oil companies are outrageously profitable, YOU ARE FREE
TO BUY THEIR STOCK and share in the profits
accordingly. I don't, because I find them too
risky.
Since
1977, government tax revenues on oil have
-Original Message-
From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:02 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
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From: Zell, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11
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From: John Coviello [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
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Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:37
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
Here's an interesting question:
Is it possible to design a ground-fault interrupter which can carry --
and safely
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:31 AM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
Zell, Chris wrote:
I spent many an hour reading about battery research in libraries at
Cornell. There just wasn't
I don't see any need for any conspiracy to kill off electric cars at
all. The range is awful, they take time to recharge, the battery life
sucks and they are small
- especially when compared to the profitable SUV's that US manufacturers
produce. They suck. I wondered why car companies bothered
?
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From: Zell, Chris
I wondered why car companies bothered to waste money on them in the
first place, but I assume that was because of politics
See the summary below. Most owners of the EV-1 loved the vehicle.
http://dontcrush.com/
Terry
It was among the fastest, m
Virtually
A True story: I was visiting a local junkyard several years ago and
noticed a number of late model Nissan vans in the lot.
I asked how much they were and was told Not for sale. It seems that a
few of this model had engine fires and Nissan couldn't find an immediate
reason why, so they paid
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Who Killed the EV?
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public wants
wasteful
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:17 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Who Killed the EV?
From: Jed Rothwell
Zell, Chris wrote:
Cold weather makes electric cars even worse. The public
Forgive this rant, but I couldn't resist.
I came across a paper called Alteration of Nuclear Beta Decay by
Non-Nuclear Strong Fields ( Laser Physics Vol. 9 No.1 1999 pp. 92-97)
It asserts that beta decay in radioactive elements could be triggered by
external applied EMF - and that this could
In science , we are accustomed to think in reductionist terms and search
for a cause whenever we see an interesting effect - but what if we
looked at
the world in the other direction? Suppose we started with the fact that
the universe is ultimately arbitrary?
To some, the idea that the universe
The latest EE Times ( Dec. 12) has a cover article on T.J. Rodgers and
Cypress Semiconductors getting into solar power , big-time.
They bought a former disk-drive plant in Manila, Phillipines to crank
out wafers. We fully anticipate the Philippines fab being capable of
turning out the equivalent
Has anybody read The Hair of the Alien? It's really spooky. I was
wondering if anybody had anything skeptical to say about its DNA
results.
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From: Grimer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:23 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: ZPE, Naked
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4307826.stm
So, two guys get a Nobel prize for discovering that a bacterial
infection causes ulcers. A simple antibiotic cures the problem.
Does anyone see anything DRAMATICALLY WRONG with this event? They
describe the discovery as bloody obvious
It's hard for me to ignore these assumptions.
Refineries don't get built because of NIMBYism and , to some extent,
regulatory expense. Arianna Huffington even pointed out that some oil
companies
have pushed to get each others refineries shut down by regulators, to
keep the price of refined
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:14 PMTo:
vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Re: OT: Bird Flu and Vitamin
C
There is ahuge (and possibly
underappreciated) implication of Dr. Cathcart's influenza claims - relative to
Vitamin C and influenza:
The
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 5:40 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Photosynthesis upper limits are unclear
Jones Beene wrote:
Right figures. Wrong conclusion. It takes only 1/4 acre of land to feed
the
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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:32 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Sugar production
There should be some caution about applying our standards to 3rd world labor.
During the controversy about poor kids working in
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Sugar production in Brazil
From: Zell, Chris
...
Actually, I've wondered if a really cheap new energy source like cold
The opportunities to be gathered from biomass could be much more positive than
casual dismissals might suggest.
First, the market needs to be the final arbiter of any projected practicality.
If Brazil or US farmers can produce fuel at a cheaper price than equivalent
oil,
- apart from tax
And remember, silica can be dangerous. Good heavens, beaches are full
of the stuff.
And many fruit seeds contain cyanide. And airplane rides expose you to
radiation.
And so it goes...
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From: Keith Nagel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05,
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From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:01 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Methyl Chlori
Read the history of the Tokaimura nuclear accident. A friend of mine in
Japan who has connections to the nuclear industry says
how about running this thing on methylene chloride or
ammonia- water?
Something for us folks in colder
climates.
From: Frederick Sparber
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:03
PMTo: vortex-lSubject: Re: Robert Green steam engine vs
Hero's Engine
BTW. Hero's
A new plant was recentlyapproved in Pennsylvania
to create heating oil and diesel fuel out of waste coal. Much of it lies
around
and pollutes streams, anyway.
I understand that China is looking at coal conversion
too. Other good news are ethanol plant expansion in the plains/farming
states
The Prius needs to be compared with a car of similar size - like a
Corolla. On that basis, savings might be hard to come by.
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:23 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: AE Economics -
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:44 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: AE Economics - Hybrids: Do buy the hype!
Zell, Chris wrote:
The Prius needs to be compared with a car of similar size - like a
Corolla
Do not send Creative Science any money!
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:30 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: It ain't fittin, not fittin, it just ain't fittin
From: John.Rudiger
Hi all,
It's too bad that the Vanadium Redox battery doesn't have a higher
charge density. You could just replace the electrolyte and move along.
The metal- air batteries visualized getting a new metal slurry and
dumping the hydroxide.
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From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL
I dunno. I thought that ultrasonics were really good
at going in the wrong direction, namely polymerization instead of tearing chains
down
into handy little molecules.
How do you use electrolysis on organics? It's all
full of covalent bonds.
Dumb question: can anyone demonstrate an
These photos are OK but
are they real tested objects? I read a lot about Schauberger but see very
little building of stuff.
From: RC Macaulay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:17 PMTo:
vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Schauberger flying
saucer
Somebody has spent
Has anyone ever read about any documented effects similar to what
Schauberger claimed? If there is any reality to what he claimed, then
somebody
must have observed something similar.
...tornadoes or negative viscosity, perhaps.
Thanks
This sounds a little like 'Liquid electricity' invented by a guy named
Diggs. Supposedly, you slowly filled a supercold high pressure
container
with electrons.
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From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:56 PM
To:
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: The Aluminium Battery
Zell, Chris wrote:
Holy crap - and I thought 40% efficiency from the zinc air battery was
lousy.
Can a battery be made outta stuff that's highly reactive? Like
aluminum and bromine?
I guess that's the limiting factor with chemical
: Re: The Aluminium Battery
Zell, Chris wrote:
Holy crap - and I thought 40% efficiency from the zinc air battery was
lousy.
Can a battery be made outta stuff that's highly reactive? Like
aluminum and bromine?
I guess that's the limiting factor with chemical batteries - heat. I
wonder
Holy crap - and I thought 40% efficiency from the zinc air battery was
lousy.
Can a battery be made outta stuff that's highly reactive? Like aluminum
and bromine?
I guess that's the limiting factor with chemical batteries - heat. I
wonder if there's any way to reduce the heat output while
I don't find the negatives expressed about electric vehicles to be
credible.
First, we have plenty of excess generation capacity going to waste at
off peak hours. Utilities would love to sell juice at 4am to anybody who
can use
It.
Secondly, given the likely development of electric sources like
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 6:27 PM
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: Herbal medicine
Chris Zell wrote:
In a word, no, no, no, no, no
Supplements can't be fairly regulated because the ENORMOUS bias of
money
In a word, no, no, no, no, no
Supplements can't be fairly regulated because the ENORMOUS bias of money
distorts the whole subject. I can personally testify to my own research
on treatments for MS - and how was poured into trials that
seemed determined to show some positive effect for
I have hoped for something like this - as sort of
'brickwall' that science runs into, to force them to look at ESP as the product
of linkage
with a Universal Mind.I think it was Schrodinger who
conceived of consciousness as a single thing, spread out across the
cosmos.
The difference
I am increasingly impressed by intelligent design - but not by an All
knowing Creator.
It's starting to look more and more like we were patched together by
some ET's over a period of time.
This would account for how screwed up the human race is and how ad hoc
and disorganized our religious and
A previous post mentions raises the issue of scientists being 'afraid'
of some things.
This is a little off topic but I recently attended a small seminar led
by Russell Targ - of CIA/Psychic Remote Viewer fame. After witnessing
several
surprizing demonstrations, you leave with the feeling that,
Message-
From: Standing Bear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 4:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Intelligent design
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 12:52, Terry Blanton wrote:
From: Zell, Chris
It's starting to look more and more like we were patched together
That was the original idea with such batteries in electric cars -
inconvenient, messy, and stands no chance of overcoming gasoline powered
Engines. The Finnish invention claims to actually be rechargeable, like
lead acid.
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
is naopore
polymer that allows free ion flow while preventing crystal formation.
One company is already commercializing the solution. See:
http://www.evionyx.com/components.htm
Rainer Partanen may get a shock when he discovers the American patent.
Zell, Chris wrote:
Anybody know anything about
Anybody know anything about a Finnish inventor named Rainer Partanen? (
www.europositron.com) He claims to have developed a way to make
Aluminum batteries completely rechargeable. Unfortunately, the
prospective patents are in Finnish.
I'd be interested in what sort of electrochemical process
I've started to wonder why no one has suggested
acetylene as a fuel source for vehicles and generation. It contains 4-5
times
the calorific energy of hydrogen and can be readily
made from lime and charcoal, using off peak electricity.
Exactly. I was afraid that there was a problem reported with real vs
apparent power ( power factor) .
On the other hand, I've wondered if the dictum that 'a static
magnetic field cannot accelerate an electron' is really true.
Suppose the electron travels in a spiral thru an
Didn't somebody report that Hal was disappointed because he
concluded that Chernetski's work failed to account for power
factor in his output?
From: Christopher Arnold
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 3:00
PMTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Re: Chernitski (was Re:
MAHG
While a real free energy device would be greatly
welcome, it would only take one lesser invention to solve most of our
energy
and pollution problems.
One good battery.
With all the overnight excess generating capacity -
and
How about the stuff Kanarev did? Any good?
http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/electrolysis
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From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Could Low Level
Maybe it does and goes unnoticed as much of the excess current gets
turned into heat.
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From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:59 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Could Low Level Electrolysis Be Overunity?
In reply to
Why would plasma be necessary? This simply sounds
like a natural gas version of the new thermal pyrolysis system. You heat
up
a pile of waste in a chamber with catalysts - and hope that
you can generate fuel at a reasonable price.
There have already been a number of articles about the
Could low level, pulsed electrolysis of water be
overunity?
There have been some reports of this happening -
although they have been attributed to measurement errors by skeptics.
Suppose that, at any given instant, a few, random
water
, and stop
the global warming controversy.
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:56 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: What's the deal with redox batteries?
Zell, Chris wrote:
Given the amount of published
Given the amount of published enthusiasm about redox
flow batteries, you'd think we'd all be driving vanadium battery
electric cars
by now. Instead, despite promises of
commercialization, I encounter nothing but phone numbers and e-mails
that go unanswered.
Are you saying that Jeff Fink ( or anybody) has replicated the PAGD
claims? Has he -or anyone- obtained results that might be overunity?
Thanks
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From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:54 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject:
From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:07 AMTo:
vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Re: Correa
Chris wrote:
Now we're getting somewhere!
No,
we are not. You are repeating the same mistake that Jeff made, changing what
the Correas did
brilliant insights but I would never
Recommend his personality to others.
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From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Correa, etc.
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From: Zell, Chris
To: vortex-l
Now we're getting somewhere!
Perhaps a huge part of this mystery concerns the critical design of the
output. Too small a capacitor and the pulse action will be
inhibited
because the capacitor will be filled. Too fast or brief a pulse and the
battery may reject most of it as heat
Global warming doomsayers
are also adding to the greenhouse dilemma since they emit CO2 as long as
they're
alive.Vegetarians are hurting the
environment by emitting methane after eating beans.
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:56 AMTo:
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From:
Zell, Chris
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 4:31
PM
Subject: Correa, etc.
Has anybody replicated any of Correa's PAGD overunity claims? I got a
vacuum pump and other gear in hopes of building something
Has anybody replicated any of Correa's PAGD overunity claims? I got a
vacuum pump and other gear in hopes of building something
that apparently nobody is pursuing. (???)
On a separate note, I just got done reading "Confessions of an Economic
Hitman". It is an astounding book.
I have
would it be possible to
post his patent? I am unable to bring up any copy of it from any
database.
Thanks
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:21 PMTo:
vortexSubject: Arie De Geus
There is a little information available on the web about the
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