Re: [Vo]:Off topic: machine translation

[Joe Hughes]

Seems that might still be up for debate in some circles:

https://voynichportal.com/2019/05/16/cheshire-reprised/


On 5/16/2019 9:26 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:

The complete paper:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02639904.2019.1599566

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:38 AM Terry Blanton > wrote:


Speaking of linguistics, The Voynich code has finally and really
been cracked.  Can you believe it was written by Dominican nuns in
a proto-Romance language.
https://phys.org/news/2019-05-bristol-academic-voynich-code-century-old.html




On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 6:20 PM Jed Rothwell
mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I wrote:

AI does exceed human abilities in a narrow range of
problems, such as playing Go, recognizing faces, or
determining that a young woman who shops at Target is
pregnant before her father realizes that fact.


I kid you not. See:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/#699048646668



I submitted the above message as letter to the editor. I hope
I do not upset the professor, who I admire a great deal. I am
a little surprised to discover I seem to know more about AI
than he does. Maybe more about linguistics applied to Japanese
and Chinese.





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Re: [Vo]:CNN: The largest U.S. coal company just filed for bankruptcy

[Joe Hughes]

I'm not sure how you can say that AT never invented anything.
For decades Bell Labs (Part of AT) was one of the preeminent research 
labs in the world.


From Wikipedia:

/At its peak, Bell Laboratories was the premier facility of its type, 
developing a wide range of revolutionary technologies, including //radio 
astronomy //, the 
//transistor //, the //laser 
//, //information theory 
//, the operating 
system //Unix //, the programming 
languages //C 
//and //C++ 
//. Eight Nobel Prizes have been 
awarded for work completed at Bell Laboratories.//^[8] 
 / //


 * /1937: //Clinton J. Davisson
   //shared the Nobel
   Prize in Physics for demonstrating the wave nature of matter./
 * /1956: //John Bardeen
   //, //Walter H. Brattain
   //, and //William
   Shockley //received
   the Nobel Prize in Physics for inventing the first //transistors
   //./
 * /1977: //Philip W. Anderson
   //shared the Nobel
   Prize in Physics for developing an improved understanding of the
   electronic structure of glass and magnetic materials./
 * /1978: //Arno A. Penzias
   //and //Robert W.
   Wilson //shared
   the Nobel Prize in Physics. Penzias and Wilson were cited for their
   discovering //cosmic microwave background radiation
   //,
   a nearly uniform glow that fills the //Universe
   //in the microwave band of
   the radio spectrum./
 * /1997: //Steven Chu
   //shared the Nobel Prize
   in Physics for developing methods to cool and trap atoms with laser
   light./
 * /1998: //Horst Störmer
   //, //Robert
   Laughlin //, and
   //Daniel Tsui //, were
   awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics for discovering and explaining
   the //fractional quantum Hall effect
   //./
 * /2009: //Willard S. Boyle
   //, //George E.
   Smith //shared the
   Nobel Prize in Physics with //Charles K. Kao
   //. Boyle and Smith
   were cited for inventing //charge-coupled device
   //(CCD)
   semiconductor imaging sensors./
 * /2014: //Eric Betzig
   //shared the Nobel Prize
   in Chemistry for his work in super-resolved fluorescence microscopy
   which he began pursuing while at Bell Labs./

//

/The //Turing Award //has 
twice been won by Bell Labs researchers:/


//

 * /1968: //Richard Hamming
   //for his work on
   numerical methods, automatic coding systems, and error-detecting and
   error-correcting codes./
 * /1983: //Ken Thompson
   //and //Dennis Ritchie
   //for their work on
   operating system theory, and for developing //Unix
   //./

/
/Granted they were spun out of AT in 1990's, but still a very 
impressive list.


Joe

On 4/14/16 5:01 PM, Lennart Thornros wrote:

Jed,
Very few small companies went belly up because of those examples I 
gave. The number of people  impact was infinitesimal small.
The other side is that many small companies had the flexibility to 
shift and therefore they grow.


AT has never invented anything.
Shockley was given credit I think. Not important who and where as it 
was many people over decades getting there - I guess the selenium 
diode was a German invention in the 30is.
Same thing for HP and TI, which actually are examples of companies 
that grow because of seeing the shift. I do not believe that there is 
a given formula for all small and all large companies.
I do know that large corporation become stagnant and inflexible at 
some point in time. That would be OK. The problem is that we do not 
let them follow the natural part and go belly up. The government comes 

Re: [Vo]:2nd "ERV" as well as being incomplete has obvious risks of being fraudulent.

[Joe Hughes]

Dear Jed,

I'm sorry if I missed this in an earlier exchange, but I'm very curious 
to hear your stance on this especially in light of the events of the 
last month.


With all the information that you have been privy to especially over the 
last few weeks, what is your stance on the "Rossi Effect" - does it exist?


Also, do you believe that he has been purposefully making fraudulent 
claims these past several years?


Lastly, do you believe that he has ever been able to achieve a LENR in 
any of his tests either internal or external?



Joe

On 4/14/16 11:25 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Ian Walker > wrote:

As to the supposed ERV 2 we have seen no proof it exists. In fact
the first we hear of it is from Jed, who then starts to back-pedal
quite a bit about it.


I am not back pedaling about anything! This is nonsense. I never meant 
to say there is an official second report. I said the lawsuit filing 
lists 3 people involved. One of them works for I.H. I.H. strongly 
disagrees with the ERV report. They made that clear in their March 10 
statement and in their response to the lawsuit.


The Penon report claims the device produces 80 times input. That is 
what Rossi said in his lawsuit. I.H. emphatically denies that. 
Obviously their experts reached a different conclusion, as you see 
from their press releases. You do not need me to tell you that.


Why is any of what I just said controversial? You can read the press 
reports and see for yourself I am right. You know darn well what I mean.


You may be convinced that Rossi is correct and IH is wrong. But you 
have no business saying that I am back pedaling or that I have no 
reason to say what I just said.


In my opinion, anyone who thinks that Rossi is better at doing 
calorimetry than the experts at I.H. does not know either party. There 
has to be a drastic mistake here and I am sure Rossi is the one who 
made it, since he is prone to dangerous, stupid, sloppy mistakes, such 
as the one that almost killed the NASA people.


I also stand by my opinion of Penon, based on his 2012 report. He is a 
certified idiot. Read the report and decide for yourself, but don't 
tell me I have no basis for my opinion.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Why are there still so many jobs?

[Joe Hughes]

So would you consider the jobs required to create, support and run the 
internet, networks and infrastructure that this list runs on as bullsh*t 
planet wrecking consumption?
How about the jobs to create and deliver the computer, tablet or mobile 
device you use to post on this and all of the associated software 
required to do that?
I'm not suggesting you were advocating that you were not a part of the 
bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption - just questioning if in your mind 
there were any other categories between safety, security, etc and 
bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption. :)




On 8/4/15 5:03 PM, Blaze Spinnaker wrote:

it's all pretty much just useless bullsh*t planet wrecking consumption.

Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines

[Joe Hughes]

Much of this info was posted in a previous thread regarding potential 
investment opportunities when investing in LENR. My concern is that I could 
find no details at the cyclone site corroborating that Dr. Kim is working with 
them in any capacity unless it just had not been updated yet but seeing how it 
is a penny stock I would not put it past someone to spread false info in an 
attempt to make a quick buck I have not reached our to cyclone directly to see 
if they have any comment on this relationship. But maybe someone can confirm 
that he is. If so I'm probably buying. :)


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com 
Date:03/06/2014  6:40 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cyclone Power turbines 

Ruby posted this in her thread about LENR investing:

Cyclone Power Technologies (CYPW:OTC) is a small company which
researches and produces engines operating from thermal energy.  CYPW
is a penny stock listed on OTC:Pink stock exchange, the wild west of
the stock world.  The stock price is currently at an all time low due
to delays in the R+D process.  Regardless, they are looking toward
LENR technologies, even adding Dr. Kim from Purdue to their consulting
board.  Dr. Kim is heavily affiliated with Defkalion and even with his
academic background he is very entrepreneurial, there is no doubt he
will do all he can to combine Dekflaion LENR technology and CYPW's
engines.  Due to the low volume and price, as well as the highly
speculative nature of penny stocks, CYPW is expected to explode during
widespread LENR media attention.  This is an ideal short term
investment.

Their steam engine was named Invention of the Year by Popular
Mechanics in 2008 and is a remarkably simple machine touting 30%
thermal conversion efficiency.  Their web site reports that they have
engaged the Center for Automotive Research at Ohio State to help get
their engine into production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_Mark_V_Engine

Combine this with a Hyperion heat source and you never have to stop
driving . . . except for bathroom breaks.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Someone at the Defkalion brought this up. It looks promising. See:

 http://www.cyclonepower.com

 http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=548

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Investing in LENR/Cold Fusion

[Joe Hughes]

Additionally I believe the main use of palladium is in the manufacturing of 
catalytic converters which would become obsolete in a LENR powered world. Not 
sure if the person writing this article took that into account prior to 
recommending investing in palladium or not. 

Regards,
Joe

mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

In reply to  Kevin O'Malley's message of Sun, 2 Mar 2014 22:18:56 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Nickel/Palladium Nickel and Palladium come to mind when thinking of long
term cold fusion investments. Unfortunately, nickel is the most abundant
material in the earths crust, a change in the demand of nickel would not
affect the price drastically.

This is completely wrong. 

Crustal elemental abundances are (according to the figures I have):

Oxygen 466000 ppm
Silicon267700 ppm
Aluminium   84100 ppm
Iron70700 ppm
Calcium 52900 ppm
.
.
.
Nickel105 ppm

I suspect that this article is confusing the planetary abundance with the
crustal abundance. The former includes the Ni/Fe core of the planet, however
this is not accessible.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:MFMP on a possible independent report of DGT's Hyperion

[Joe Hughes]

i tried to explain this very thing to blaze over on the above top secret forums 
a little over a month ago and encouraged him to join this mailing list to hear 
from some real experts in the field which is how he wound up here. i agree his 
tune has changed incredibly from the beginning which is an awesome thing but 
still waiting for him to admit that there is a clear and direct line from Rossi 
to DGT and Rossi deserves to be recognized for that despite his character 
flaws. 

Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:

DGT stole a page from Rossi's book on the Ni-H scientific side, now they're
stealing a page from his book on how to conduct business and promise
undisclosed future promises of independent university testing.

I think they were working with Rossi and decided for themselves that the
guy was too mercurial and if a clown like him could find the secret, so
could they.  Like someone sidling up to the Wright Brothers like Selfridge
(the first person to die in a Wright Brothers accident) and steal the IP.
That same approach was tried by no less an aeronautical luminary than
Langley when he finally realized how far behind he was in his research.

http://books.google.com/books?id=XKaqfYxlsW8Cpg=PA96lpg=PA96dq=%22wright+brothers%22+++%22octave+chanute%22+smithsonian+langley+cheekysource=blots=uR3Rqkkfb9sig=Sffd3uvfLAlm28sdKgke1cA-g-0hl=ensa=Xei=ATDzUYC_HOffiAKCr4HgDAved=0CEUQ6AEwAw#v=onepageq=%22wright%20brothers%22%20%20%20%22octave%20chanute%22%20smithsonian%20langley%20cheekyf=false




On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 7:00 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 From MFMP's facebook page.
 Harry
 ---
 We are very sorry for the hiatus in our communications - we have been
 working in...credibly intensely to move this field forward on several
 fronts - all we can say is that we think ICCF-18 was a watershed for this
 emerging science with excellent new discoveries and significant new
 evidence of excess heat from Takahashi and Defkalion (DGT) as well as
 strong new science related to LENR revealed by Carpintieri (piezo/cold
 fission) and Vysotski (creation of collimated laser light from metal
 induced by cavitation shockwaves).

 It was also a triumph for the Live Open Science approach that the MFMP is
 pioneering with the help of its followers. So many attendees offered
 equipment, IP and technology to our effort, frankly it will take us weeks
 to come to terms with. A revolution is coming and you are at the head of
 the field.

 We must reserve special congratulations to DGT for their Live Open
 Scientific demonstration which was engaging and inspiring - would would
 like to see them and others taking this approach more frequently in the
 future.

 We have been told by a trusted source, whom we can not disclose, that
 there will be an independent report of DGT Hyperion technology published at
 some point. It is understood that some respected university professors have
 been involved. We certainly hope this is true and that we can have some
 detailed, rigorous analysis to support the promising live demonstrations of
 recent days.
 By: Martin Fleischmann Memorial 
 Projecthttps://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject?ref=stream

Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?

[Joe Hughes]

It might be a little late but what about a kickstarter project to pay for the 
streaming?

Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:


I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman.  We will be 
doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can.

We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video 
for a feature documentary film.

I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the 
Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF 
calendars for participants.

I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold 
Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions 
and their faculty who have been involved in research.  This version will 
also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs.

I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough 
projects already, and won't have the ability.


On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote:
 I am.
-- 
Ruby Carat
r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org

Re: [Vo]:Amazing sign of sanity in Wiki ICCF nomination for deletion -- KEEP

[Joe Hughes]

thanks for sharing Alan. the discussion around the article was a fascinating 
read. congrats to those involved in working through the process to enable this 
article to exist. 

Joe

Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/International_Conference_on_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science_(2nd_nomination)

The result was keep. WP:FRINGE does not neccessarily exclude a topic from 
inclusion into Wikipedia. However, I do not think fringe applies in the way 
we'd all like it to. Despite being a fringe science, Cold Fusion actually 
serves a prominent place in popular culture, science fiction, and fringe 
science alike. A conference on the subject would not neccessarily fall to the 
levels of fringe, then, as would a conference about Hollow Earth. From a pure 
WP:GNG standpoint, this AFD has resulted in a huge improvement to the article 
which makes me question at least some of the delete !votes which prempted 
these improvements. In fact, most of the !votes came before these 
improvements. Taking into the fact that the new references were highly 
discussed on this AFD before being introduced to the article, though, means 
that I cannot discount those votes on their timing alone. Several folks have 
said that WP:GNG is not met if the sources are not about the conference. I 
quote GNG Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not 
be the main topic of the source material. The only other argument to delete, 
then, is that the coverage is not significant enough to write a decent article 
but the current version of the article defeats that argument as well. Thusly, 
I see a discussion that has stronger arguments towards keep. If it were a 
!vote count, this may be a no consensus. But as an examination of the 
argument, we have a keep result. v/r - TP 7:06 pm, Yesterday (UTC−7)

[ By an administrator ]

Re: [Vo]:A 1989er CF scientist committed to paradigm change

[Joe Hughes]

Great interview Peter (and response to Mary). Thank you for sharing with us. As 
i started learning about the LENR field Dr. Kim's papers were some of the first 
I ever came across and as an amateur I did not fully comprehend a majority of 
what i read but never the less enjoyed reading them all the same. I am excited 
to see what his new papers that were mentioned have to offer. 

Joe 

Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:

*Prof. Yeong Kim interviewed*: a veteran finally gets optimistic following
a technological breakthrough.
Please see:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/06/a-veterans-voice.html

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

[Joe Hughes]

Sorry Axil it is unclear to me from your response which side you fall on 
regarding nanospire and Leclair's work.

Interesting article from a little while back regarding it:

http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cavitation-transmutation-take-this-viral.html




Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

Like most things in the perverse field of LENR, Sonoluminescence is counter
intuitive. The star in the bottle is impressive but that false spark in the
deep ultra-blue is a false trail to anything useful.

The power that that spark wastes is turned outward. To be effective, the
plasmonic field must be turned inward in a dark mode to build in a cascade
of amplification.

The cavitation bubble is one of the most powerful forms of power
concentration but such is its plight to be ordinary.

The lust for gamma rays have been amply supplied by LeClair to such an
abundant extent that they as dangerous.

And yet even the LENR faithful ignore LeClair’s results and he is not
supported in any way.

It must be his bubbles; there just too plain and inconspicuous not like the
shining stars in the bottle.




On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote:

 Interesting video clip featuring Dr. Seth Putterman describing his
 thoughts on A star in a jar.

 Sorry if this had been posted and i missed it. Been hard to keep up with
 the list lately. :)

 This is a clip from a longer BBC video i believe.

 http://youtu.be/LWO93G-zLZ0

Re: [Vo]:Sonoluminescence

[Joe Hughes]

Yes very interesting I knew i had read something about that when reviewing the 
cavitation article and Sonoluminescence piece but could not place it. You 
connected the dots for me. It was Znidarsics work. Here is the latest paper i 
can find. published in December of 2012. He must be on the right path as he 
cites both Dr. Storms and Jed. ;)

http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/4050

Joe

Jim Dickenson jrdicken...@gmail.com wrote:

Ken,

Interesting - I didn't know of these experiments and this was written in
May 2012.  There may be more to Znardisc's (sp??) theory afterall.

http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cavitation-transmutation-take-this-viral.html

- Jim

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote:

 Interesting video clip featuring Dr. Seth Putterman describing his
 thoughts on A star in a jar.

 Sorry if this had been posted and i missed it. Been hard to keep up with
 the list lately. :)

 This is a clip from a longer BBC video i believe.

 http://youtu.be/LWO93G-zLZ0

[Vo]:Sonoluminescence

[Joe Hughes]

Interesting video clip featuring Dr. Seth Putterman describing his thoughts on 
A star in a jar.

Sorry if this had been posted and i missed it. Been hard to keep up with the 
list lately. :)

This is a clip from a longer BBC video i believe.

http://youtu.be/LWO93G-zLZ0

[Vo]:The Believers out on Blu-Ray

[Joe Hughes]

Available for order now.

Don't remember seeing this news on here. 

can be ordered here:
http://www.137films.org/store.html

Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem

[Joe Hughes]

Two things that confuse me about the two tests.
First,  they both utilized completely different power sources that were 
supposedly part of his trade secret. the supply during the first test was a 
three phase supply but the second one was a single phase output supply. Is it 
practical that for the power to be so critical to this device for him to be 
able to switch power inputs so easily or is the power not important and this is 
just Rossi trying to distract folks from the real magic in his system? Second, 
Rossi is incredibly paranoid and for good reason i might add, so was their 
something the first test showed that he was concerned about which caused him to 
'paint' the second ecat to hide something? I'm hypothesizing that the uneven 
paint job was an afterthought to hide something and not prepared purposefully 
like that. 

Also why did he agree to the test now? Is he comfortable enough in his progress 
in the design and with his partners now that he is willing to begin sharing 
with others or is it some form of misdirection play on his part?

Also I always enjoyed reading Dr. Kim's papers on lenr and i think these tests 
make some of those theories less plausible, however would love to read his 
comments on the tests. i don't believe he has ever posted on here. 



Andrew andrew...@att.net wrote:

The remaining output hoax possibility is beamed RF into the antenna 
resistors. Now, I do realise that this entails Prof. Levi crawling around in 
the rafters like Quasimodo...LOL. No, I am inclined to say that the input side 
is where attention needs to be focussed. There's a black box there - the 
waveform generator - that's off limits.

Andrew
  - Original Message - 
  From: David Roberson 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem


  You definitely should drop any reference to powerful lasers.  Can you 
 imagine the liability that Rossi would face when reflections or direct path 
 radiation caused serious injuries?  This is far outside the realm of reality.

  The input questions are much more relevant, and I suspect that they can be 
 set aside with the proper scrutiny.

  Dave
  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew andrew...@att.net
  To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 9:27 pm
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem


  Hey, I admit that's a bit far out. But lasers can be straightforwardly 
 coerced into producing something that's not a spot, you know. 

  If there's foul play, my money is on the input side, frankly.

  Andrew
- Original Message - 
From: David Roberson 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem


And, of course, the reason that they misread the instruments was that they 
 were all blinded by the high power IR.  Give me a break.

Dave
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, May 21, 2013 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Levi Hot Cat paper is a gem


Mr. Gibbs, welcome to our world.

Andrew, infrared lasers?  Really.

Okay, somehow these scientists missed the hidden CO2 laser which would
create spot heating of the test device.

:-)

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

[Joe Hughes]

So I wonder if an argument could be made that a mother that kisses their 
crying child's boo-boo and makes it stop hurting and the child stop 
crying could be classified as a very primitive form of placebo. I wonder 
what could be deduced or extrapolated from human nature into 
understanding the placebo effect from this - scans of a child's brain 
patterns for instance.


Kind of out of the box but this scenario occurred to me while reading 
the thread.



On 04/22/2013 01:56 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I am not critical of them. As far as I know, based on recent research, 
there is no evidence they exist. That's all there is to it. They might 
exist. I do not know of any theoretical reason why they shouldn't, 
given the complexity of biology. But there is no evidence they do exist.


A placebo appears to be exactly the same as no treatment at all. That 
isn't surprising.

Re: [Vo]:Japan breaks China's stranglehold on rare metals

[Joe Hughes]

I read in a separate article that the ocean depth at which the rare 
metals were discovered (5600+ meters) would pose significant technical 
challenges in extracting the rare metals with current technology


http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201303220057

The Chikyu, a JAMSTEC deep-sea drilling vessel, has recovered seabed 
mud from a depth of 2,500 meters for research purposes. A seabed oil 
field has been developed overseas at a depth of 3,000 meters.


But the development of seabed resources at depths of more than 5,000 
meters has no precedent, either at home or abroad. There remains a 
mountain of technological challenges, including how to withstand water 
pressure and ocean currents and how to process the mining products in 
the ocean, sources said.




No mention of that in this article - I wonder which one is more accurate 
and how long it would take to overcome these challenges




On 03/26/2013 10:34 AM, DJ Cravens wrote:

Japan breaks China's stranglehold on rare metals

I thought some here might be interested in this.
Perhaps I am the only one here that incorporates rare earth into my 
Pd.  However, but like the boil off rod from F P I often add Ce, Th 
or other such metals to my materials.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9951299/Japan-breaks-Chinas-stranglehold-on-rare-metals-with-sea-mud-bonanza.html

D2

Re: [Vo]:Speculation on Rossi from OILPRICE.com

[Joe Hughes]

I believe it has nothing to do with LENR and everything to do with 
attempting to control inflation because of all of the European and US 
money printing (QE).
You see the same large companies doing the same to commodities - As he 
mentioned it is being done by JP Morgan and crew but most likely with 
the backing of the Fed and the other European central banks.





On 03/08/2013 02:52 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

Why Are the Big Financial Institutions Selling Oil BIG?

http://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/Why-Are-the-Big-Financial-Institutions-Selling-Oil-BIG.html

Re: [Vo]:OT: Wealth and Inequality in U.S.

[Joe Hughes]

i would much prefer to live in a world where the immediate discussion on 
stories such as this was how can we increase government productivity and 
eliminate inefficiencies so the secretary's rate could be reduced below that of 
his not to immediately want to raise his. 

Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote:

Buffett says his rate is lower  while at the same time the company he owns
is having a major battle with the IRS.

With both Liberal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/warren-buffett-taxes-berkshire-hathaway_n_941099.html

and  Conservative references:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/buffett-irs-back-taxes/2011/09/01/id/409520

Do as I say not as I do.


On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

 See also:

 Buffett says he's still paying lower tax rate than his secretary

 http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/04/news/economy/buffett-secretary-taxes/

 This is the root of the problem.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:The limits of 3-D replicators

[Joe Hughes]

additionally they are working on perfecting the ability to print organs, 
arteries, ears, ect. using living cells and they are making incredible strides 
in theses areas and i would expect by next decade amazing advances in these 
technologies. there are projects on the internet where people are currently 
working on being able to print working guns. i actually just bought an 
ultimaker from europe and had it delivered. now i just have to put it together.

Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:

3D printers can use metal, glass and various other materials.
 Semiconductors can be printed, as can batteries.

 Now I don't think there is any that can do all of these things of course.


I did not know that! They have made progress. I suppose you could more
piecework from one machine to another, with no more difficulty than it
takes with ordinary machine tools.

I guess the plastic ones I have been following are the ultra-cheap,
do-it-yourself models.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment

[Joe Hughes]

I have to agree with Terry here.
As a hiring manager in the software industry (more specifically 
internet) over the last few years I've found it is more and more 
difficult to find adequate talent and or work ethic and motivation - 
especially amongst the younger generation.




There seems to be a prevaling sense of
entitlement in this generation.


I was forwarded this article recently discussing this very topic. Found 
it interesting in some ways as being a technologist my entire life it is 
written from the perspective of someone with a business/sales background.


http://www.millersmoney.com/money-weekly/straight-talk-for-the-underemployed-youth


Joe

On 01/29/2013 01:27 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

I am an engineering manager in the consulting engineer business.  I do
run across cultural nepotism occasionally; but, right now, there is a
shortage of good engineering talent.

In my business, money is rarely the issue . . . it is expertise.  I
have two large engineering firms to draw from, AECOM in the US and
Atkins in GB fortunately.

In our local group, most of the engineers are around 60 years old.
Most of us are systems engineers with communications and
transportation experience.  We are presently taking in kids right out
of school and training them; but, people who have a good work ethic
are getting hard to find.  There seems to be a prevaling sense of
entitlement in this generation.

[Vo]:LENR article at Casey Research

[Joe Hughes]

I usually really enjoy reading the articles on the Casey Research site, 
although the latest article from their Chief Energy Investment 
Strategist is a total hit piece IMHO. Really burns me up - I think I'm 
going to have to send her an email in response to it.


http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/do-fringes-energy-science-offer-real-hope-energy-hungry-world

Excerpt:

/Cold fusion is many things -- including a mental exercise for 
theoretical physicists and a hoax from Andrea Rossi -- but legitimate is 
not one of them///


Anyone have any thoughts on what information to use to best discount her 
claims?



Joe

Re: [Vo]:Celani demonstration -- Other ICCF17 Comments

[Joe Hughes]

Sorry if I missed this come across the wire last week:

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/08/07/lenr-gets-major-boost-from-national-instruments/

Thought it was a great article and was surprised to see our dear old 
friend Mary Yugu as chatty as ever in the comments at the bottom of the 
article.


Joe

On 08/14/2012 04:12 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/ 
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/report-from-iccf-17/



  *Report from ICCF-17*

August 14, 2012

/I thought this comment from Tyler van Houwelingen deserved to be in 
separate post. Thanks Tyler!


/Greetings from ICCF-17,

After seeing the DGT presentation, speaking with them and speaking 
with people who have been onsite to see the hyperion in Greece, my 
take is that they are farther away from having a commercial ready 
device than we had hoped. Based on what people are telling me here 
with first hand knowledge, as recently as 3 weeks ago they were still 
unable to obtain stable demos of their technology (problems with the 
spark plugs failing), thus I suspect no chance of any 3rd party 
results soon as we had hoped and they had promised. They stated 
something along these lines yesterday, saying now they will release 
3rd party results only after receiving certification.


That said, DGT does appear to be pretty sound both with the science 
and engineering, however I believe they will need more resources and a 
bit of luck to get this to market in the next 6-12 months. IMHO


Brillouin is also very solid, as we knew, but still probably at least 
1 year from commercial readiness as well. IMHO


That just leaves Rossi in the short term and there are lots of mixed 
messages about him. Some things people with first hand knowledge are 
telling me makes me more confident, some things less.


At this point on day 2 of the show I am lowering my optimism of 
commercial readiness in my presentation a bit. Maybe it will come back 
up before Friday when I present, we shall see.


By the way, Celanis demo is being setup now and looks AWESOME. Finally 
seeing LENR first hand is very cool. With 25W excess heat expected, I 
will see if we can boil some water for the coffee here at the 
conference


tyler

/In addition, Jed Rothewell has been reporting on vortex-l about the 
Celani device that is being set up at the meeting:
/ 

Re: [Vo]:Through the Wormhole

[Joe Hughes]

very cool

On 03/19/2012 01:48 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

Animation not as colorful as Jodie Foster's trip in Contact but more
realistic:

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/nstv/2012/03/what-a-trip-through-a-wormhole-would-look-like.html

T

[Vo]:Siemens, National Instruments US Navy

[Joe Hughes]

I know there was a flurry of posts a couple of weeks ago regarding 
National Instruments not working with Rossi anymore.
Additionaly, speculation at some levels of Rossi working with Siemens 
and posts pointing to the US Navy being the first customer

I stumbled across this article on the web regarding the US Navy and Siemens:

http://livewire.electricalmarketing.com/2010/03/23/siemens-signs-contract-to-provide-navy-with-power-metering-equipment/
Excerpt:
Siemens also received orders for project management services along with 
gas, water and steam flow meters that provide data to the WinPM.Net systems


So does this support NI being dropped for Siemens because of their 
contract with the US Navy?


If I missed info along these lines that was submitted to this mailing 
list - I apologize in advance.


Joe

Re: [Vo]:Prediction on Antarctica's buried Lake

[Joe Hughes]

Yeah - some of those folks definitely go to sleep wearing their tin foil 
hats. ;)


I was posting those links not directly in relation to the heavy water 
theory but in response to zer tte's:
From what i have read so far they're not expecting much more than pure 
water, like really pure. They're supposed to be looking for some alien 
life form but seems to have found none so far. If they are really 
looking for heavy water, they've got quite a good cover but i don't 
really see how they could gain from it as Antarctica summer is really 
short so they only have a few months each year to work there (they've 
been digging for 30 years )
A post over their regarding the heavy water theory would probably yield 
some very interesting replies.




On 02/07/2012 02:32 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

What a surprise. I was not aware that so many people were following this...
most of whom, shall we say - already have a conspiracy theory slant.

I waded through 20 pages of good and awful postings - without seeing any
reference to heavy water, or to life evolved to use it. Have you seen this
mentioned specifically? Many of the posters mention Smilla's Sense of Snow
fabulous novel but weak movie.

It is certainly possible that there is a meme out there (speaking of
Rupert) and it would relate to the Lake, to special properties - and would
be broader than merely D2O or a mysterious lifeform.

Jones


From: Joe Hughes

Been following this for quite a few days over on this forum here - some
really fascinating info and discussions. Initial thread and info:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread804606/pg1

Latest thread started after reaching it:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread806014/pg1

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com

[Joe Hughes]

For all we know NI have a couple of fat cats sitting in their workshop 
in the US to play with.



I'd find this a little more plausible if Rossi's US office was in 
Austin, TX since NI does not have an office in Florida - or maybe even 
more if he would have mentioned Debrecen, Hungary where it appears NI's 
RD department is located and most of it's manufacturing is done.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's behavior is more tragic than deceptive

[Joe Hughes]

Very good points Jed.
Man - this has been the most fascinating day on Vortex in quite some time.

On 01/19/2012 04:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com mailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

As long as Rossi pays for NI's hardware and software they are
probably satisfied and don't mind the free advertising.


This would be the worst advertising imaginable!!! What corporation 
wants to be associated with Rossi? Do a Google search and you find 
hundreds of attacks against him. Check his background and you find it 
is dripping in scandal.


This is NOT good PR for NI. Not, not, _not_.

If I were them, I would not respond to Forbes, or I would say we 
can't comment on whether we are in a relationship with this company.


  They do not require a deep knowledge of what he is doing or
even if his reactor works or not. 



If they do not have deep knowledge they are crazy to let themselves be 
associated it.



John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com 
mailto:john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote:


Maybe they just got tired of the hundreds, if not thousands of
annoying emails and phone calls from Rossi's fans, demanding a
detailed accounting of just how great Rossi's invention really is?


In that case, all they have to do is issue a statement saying no 
comment. Or, as I said, we never talk about customer relationships 
of this nature. A company that is annoyed will deny everything and 
make no more comments.


The lady in charge of PR at the company issued a statement about 
Rossi. So did a VP of development. Believe me, NI is aware of this at 
highest levels. As Mary Yugo pointed out, they have millions of 
customers. The VP does not know them all by name, and will not make 
statements about 999,900 of these customers.



It isn't at all unusual for a company to release a statement on an
issue that is generating more than typical interest.


It is unusual for any company anywhere to make any statement 
pertaining to cold fusion. _Extremely_ unusual!


NI made the most insignificant acknowledgement possible . . .


Nonsense. I can think up any number of less 
significant acknowledgement, starting with no comment.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Ultimate toy: Neocube

[Joe Hughes]

I've heard better reviews on the buckballs - basically same thing.
Actually ordered several sets for nephews this year at christmas.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/bbe8/?srp=2

On 1/5/2012 7:26 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:07 PM, David Jonsson
davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com  wrote:


Very interesting, but I ended up ordering only 864 spheres.  It seems like a
perfect gift.

But I can't understand how the magnetic field aligns. Some combinations must
be impossible?

Indeed, they are axially aligned, kinda like the Earth.

T

Re: [Vo]:ECAT.com lunch new website in association with andrea rossi.

[Joe Hughes]

yeah looks real nice.
I'm very impressed.

On 11/16/2011 03:50 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:

I already posted this, LOL!

2011/11/16 David ledin mathematic.analy...@gmail.com 
mailto:mathematic.analy...@gmail.com


 look professional

http://ecat.com/

Re: [Vo]:Fox News report on Rossi

[Joe Hughes]

Of everything in the article, I found this to be the most interesting:
Several experts who spoke to FoxNews.com declined to comment or go on 
the record.


Depending on who they talked to, etc. and if that actually is indeed the 
case - then I see this as a huge shift in the general community - in the 
past, at least to me,  it appeared as though it was always incredibly 
easy to find an expert to go on the record calling someone a loony or a 
crackpot.


I personally love the way Rossi has approached this entire thing and 
think he's beginning to make people actually worried that he might have 
done it - his attitude of I don't care if you believe me - It's real - 
and I'm moving forward, at first, I think took people back but because 
of his steadfastness and by staying on message: here take a look - see 
it works - don't believe me - fine - doesn't matter - because it works. 
Is starting to make people question themselves for doubting.




On 11/02/2011 02:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

vorl bek vorl@antichef.com mailto:vorl@antichef.com wrote:

Why is it stupid? It sounds like a standard mainstream (and
you can not get more mainstream than Fox News) gee-whiz science
story . . .


I guess so. I would call it ignorant, unscientific blather. Also, 
regarding cold fusion and its history, it is a grab bag of random 
facts, nonsense, misunderstandings and misinterpretations.


It is harmless blather.

Cold fusion fans should love it.


Not me. I don't mind it though. Any news is good news in show business.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Hey, it didn't blow up! And by the way, there does seem to be a permit.

[Joe Hughes]

At first I was disappointed it wasn't a major US company for selfish 
reasons - cause I want one as soon as possible :)  but their profile 
does make a lot of sense.

More info on them posted on the ecatnews site with a shout out to Jed.
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1129

Joe


On 10/28/2011 10:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I mean that I predicted GE would NOT want to get involved.

Look at the Manutencoop profile:

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=9156703

Recently founded, growing rapidly, still hungry. Privately owned, 
leaving them free to make big decisions and take risks. Just the kind 
of go-go place you would expect to run with this.


People think the microcomputer biz began exclusively with garage start 
ups such as Apple and Microsoft. It did to a large extent, but the 
money came from established venture capitalists and many of the 
players were mid-sized companies such as Radio Shack, with its 
Trash-80. It could'a been a contenda. It was, for several years.


- Jed