Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> The same is true of the robots used to move shelves in the Amazon.com
> warehouses. All they do is move shelves, bringing goods to people who then
> pick the goods from the shelf and put them in boxes.
>

Here is a video showing these machines and the people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLVCGEmkJs0

You might quibble that these are not what we think of as "robots." They are
not a bit humanoid. They resemble Roombas. Webster defines robot as:

". . . a machine that looks like a human being and performs various complex
acts (such as walking or talking) of a human being"

By that old-fashioned definition, these are not robots. I would say they
are, though, because they use camera-enabled vision, they interact with
one-another, they make decisions rather than blindly repeating a set of
actions, and they are autonomous.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Jed Rothwell]

H LV  wrote:

​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.
>

That is true. Engineers are still replacing one job at a time with robots
of limited capacity. These robots resemble non-robotic restaurant machinery
such as dish washing machines or rotisserie cookers. They are
single-function machines.

The same is true of the robots used to move shelves in the Amazon.com
warehouses. All they do is move shelves, bringing goods to people who then
pick the goods from the shelf and put them in boxes.

However, I expect Amazon will soon have robots that pick the goods from the
shelf and put them in boxes, eliminating people from this step. Amazon
sponsors an engineering competition to develop that capability.

The Amazon warehouse has a limited set of procedures, so I suppose a dozen
different single-purpose robot types could probably do nearly every job.
There is no need for a multipurpose humanoid robot capable of two or more
jobs.

In a kitchen or fast food restaurant, there are probably more different
types of jobs than in the Amazon warehouse. I suppose that cracking and
mixing eggs calls for different kind of robot tools and different software
than, say, assembling a hamburger sandwich or scooping french fries. So, to
fully automate a fast food restaurant with a small number of robot types,
you would need general purpose robots with considerably more computer power
and stronger artificial intelligence than today's best machines. I think
such robots will inevitably be developed. In 10 or 20 years they will be
cheap and widely available.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[H LV]

"Memories. You are talking memories."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWPyRSURYFQ

Harry

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:57 AM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-
> me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV  wrote:
>
>> ​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
>> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
>> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV  wrote:
>>
>>> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
>>> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
>>> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
>>> flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
>>> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
>>> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
>>> allow for a more flexible workforce.
>>>
>>> Harry
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 H LV  wrote:

> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as
> social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid
> employment.
>
 The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
 don't care whether their products put people out of work.

 Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which
 put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
 people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
 honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
 customer money.

 At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of
 people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or
 miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has
 lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than
 the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times
 more workers than coal mining since 2001."

 https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-
 silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/

 This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
 think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
 hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
 Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
 them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
 trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
 Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
 and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
 bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.

 Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address
 it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.

 - Jed


>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[ChemE Stewart]

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV  wrote:

> ​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.
>
> Harry
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
>> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
>> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
>> flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
>> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
>> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
>> allow for a more flexible workforce.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> H LV  wrote:
>>>
 the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as
 social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid
 employment.

>>> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
>>> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>>>
>>> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which
>>> put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
>>> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
>>> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
>>> customer money.
>>>
>>> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of
>>> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or
>>> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has
>>> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than
>>> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times
>>> more workers than coal mining since 2001."
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>>>
>>> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
>>> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
>>> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
>>> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
>>> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
>>> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
>>> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
>>> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
>>> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>>>
>>> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address
>>> it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[H LV]

​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.

Harry

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV  wrote:

> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
> flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
> allow for a more flexible workforce.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
>
>> H LV  wrote:
>>
>>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social
>>> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment.
>>>
>> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
>> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>>
>> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put
>> people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
>> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
>> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
>> customer money.
>>
>> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of
>> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or
>> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has
>> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than
>> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times
>> more workers than coal mining since 2001."
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-sil
>> ent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>>
>> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
>> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
>> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
>> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
>> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
>> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
>> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
>> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
>> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>>
>> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it.
>> I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[H LV]

Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
allow for a more flexible workforce.

Harry


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H LV  wrote:
>
>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social
>> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment.
>>
> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>
> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put
> people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
> customer money.
>
> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people
> in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners
> being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost
> about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the
> total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more
> workers than coal mining since 2001."
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-
> silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>
> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>
> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it.
> I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Axil Axil]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2017/03/07/new-robotic-solutions-for-the-warehouse/#61b391c76506

New Robotic Solutions For The Warehouse
When Amazon purchased Kiva Systems in 2012, the interest in Autonomous
Mobile Robots (AMRs) for the warehouse soared. For a while, Kiva, now
rebranded Amazon Robotics, continued to sell robots to other companies.  But,
after piloting the robots in some warehouses, and figuring out the optimal
way to deploy them, Amazon stopped selling robots to other companies and
took everything their robotic division could produce for their own
distribution centers.

In some cases, humans work alongside the robots, picking goods too heavy or
too small for their robots to handle. Humans pick items into a tote or
totes on the robot.  When the tote or totes are full, the robot carries the
goods to the pack station.


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> H LV  wrote:
>
>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social
>> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment.
>>
> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>
> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put
> people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
> customer money.
>
> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people
> in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners
> being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost
> about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the
> total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more
> workers than coal mining since 2001."
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-
> silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>
> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>
> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it.
> I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Jed Rothwell]

H LV  wrote:

> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social
> security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment.
>
The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
don't care whether their products put people out of work.

Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which put
people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
customer money.

At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of people
in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or miners
being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has lost
about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than the
total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times more
workers than coal mining since 2001."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/

This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.

Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address it. I
doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[H LV]

GPS is technological the backbone of self driving cars. If there were no
GPS, the development of self driving cars would not have been so rapid.
the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as social
security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid employment. Harry
On Sep 18, 2017 4:22 PM, "Jed Rothwell"  wrote:

> Axil Axil  wrote:
>
> https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html
>>
>> http://www.misorobotics.com/
>>
>> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant
>> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots?
>>
>
> I say yes. I think in 10 or 20 years nearly every employee at every
> restaurant will be replaced with a robot. In Japan automated sushi
> restaurants are becoming popular. One of them opened in Atlanta recently.
> Here is the web site and a short video advertisement showing how it works:
>
> http://kulausa.com/
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWb8SSOTms8=59s
>
> There is more automation here than the video shows. You do not see the
> machines that make the rice and form it into sushi, something which until
> now required a skilled sushi chef. (Supposedly, it did.)
>
> Here is a British video showing more of the automation at this restaurant
> chain:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICVmyySHmE
>
> I am not a fan of sushi, but this place is fun and I thought the
> (non-fish) sushi was pretty good. My daughter says it is meh.
>
> ANYWAY . . .
>
> I find the video of the burger flipping robot thought-provoking. Here are
> some of the thoughts it provokes:
>
> This hardware is custom-designed to flip hamburgers, coupled with what I
> assume is a general-purpose, vision-enabled robot, probably about as
> powerful as the Baxter robot.
>
> A person worried about the future of employment might feel sanguine
> looking at this because it seems like it is a custom solution for one
> application. You would have to design another robot to lay out the buns the
> way the human worker does in this video. You would have to design yet
> another robot to crack eggs, and another to make salad. It seems every job
> will require specialized hardware and perhaps specialized robotics and
> software. You might think that it would take a long time to make all the
> robots we need to run a restaurant, not to mention all the robots we need
> to do housework, stock grocery store shelves, or do carpentry.
>
> I don't think so. I predict faster progress for two reasons. First, many
> programmers and other technical experts will gain experience applying
> general-purpose robots and they will soon learn how to apply them more
> quickly. They will be more of these people. They will start their own
> companies, branching out into new applications. They will train others, who
> will train others. Second, the technology will become more general-purpose,
> and less custom-designed. Even the parts which are custom-designed will be
> easier to design. Once you know how to flip hamburgers, you can flip other
> objects, or form pancakes, or wash lettuce.
>
> The situation reminds me of software in the 1970s. In the 1960s, every
> company had custom-designed accounting software made specifically for that
> company, often in-house. In the 1970s specialized software firms began
> offering packaged accounting software that could be customized for various
> industry segments.
>
> In the 1980s general-purpose tools  and database tools became available
> that made it easier to write accounting programs. Computer memory and disks
> expanded by orders of magnitude. Extremely powerful accounting program such
> as Peachtree software became available. This was suitable for nearly all
> small businesses, and it reduced the need for industry sector specific
> solutions. Accounting software for large companies is now offered by a
> small number of large vendors such as Oracle and SAP:
>
> http://www.softwareadvice.com/accounting/
>
> Few companies develop accounting programs in-house.
>
> The other reason I predict faster progress is because people are
> developing self-driving cars, which is one of the most difficult
> applications. Tremendous progress has been made in this. Much more than I
> predicted a few years ago. This is one of the most difficult jobs that can
> be done by a robot. If it is done wrong, people will be killed and
> tremendous liabilities will be incurred. It seems odd that corporations
> would start with such a dangerous and critical application. You might think
> they would start by making robots that fold sheets and flip hamburgers, or
> do other jobs that cannot accidentally kill someone. They are concentrating
> on self-driving cars because the market is gigantic, the potential profits
> are gigantic, and the penalty for getting left behind by competition and
> rapid bankruptcy.
>
> There is no longer any question that the technology works and it is safer
> than human-driven cars. All 

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Jed Rothwell]

Axil Axil  wrote:

https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html
>
> http://www.misorobotics.com/
>
> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant
> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots?
>

I say yes. I think in 10 or 20 years nearly every employee at every
restaurant will be replaced with a robot. In Japan automated sushi
restaurants are becoming popular. One of them opened in Atlanta recently.
Here is the web site and a short video advertisement showing how it works:

http://kulausa.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWb8SSOTms8=59s

There is more automation here than the video shows. You do not see the
machines that make the rice and form it into sushi, something which until
now required a skilled sushi chef. (Supposedly, it did.)

Here is a British video showing more of the automation at this restaurant
chain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICVmyySHmE

I am not a fan of sushi, but this place is fun and I thought the (non-fish)
sushi was pretty good. My daughter says it is meh.

ANYWAY . . .

I find the video of the burger flipping robot thought-provoking. Here are
some of the thoughts it provokes:

This hardware is custom-designed to flip hamburgers, coupled with what I
assume is a general-purpose, vision-enabled robot, probably about as
powerful as the Baxter robot.

A person worried about the future of employment might feel sanguine looking
at this because it seems like it is a custom solution for one application.
You would have to design another robot to lay out the buns the way the
human worker does in this video. You would have to design yet another robot
to crack eggs, and another to make salad. It seems every job will require
specialized hardware and perhaps specialized robotics and software. You
might think that it would take a long time to make all the robots we need
to run a restaurant, not to mention all the robots we need to do housework,
stock grocery store shelves, or do carpentry.

I don't think so. I predict faster progress for two reasons. First, many
programmers and other technical experts will gain experience applying
general-purpose robots and they will soon learn how to apply them more
quickly. They will be more of these people. They will start their own
companies, branching out into new applications. They will train others, who
will train others. Second, the technology will become more general-purpose,
and less custom-designed. Even the parts which are custom-designed will be
easier to design. Once you know how to flip hamburgers, you can flip other
objects, or form pancakes, or wash lettuce.

The situation reminds me of software in the 1970s. In the 1960s, every
company had custom-designed accounting software made specifically for that
company, often in-house. In the 1970s specialized software firms began
offering packaged accounting software that could be customized for various
industry segments.

In the 1980s general-purpose tools  and database tools became available
that made it easier to write accounting programs. Computer memory and disks
expanded by orders of magnitude. Extremely powerful accounting program such
as Peachtree software became available. This was suitable for nearly all
small businesses, and it reduced the need for industry sector specific
solutions. Accounting software for large companies is now offered by a
small number of large vendors such as Oracle and SAP:

http://www.softwareadvice.com/accounting/

Few companies develop accounting programs in-house.

The other reason I predict faster progress is because people are developing
self-driving cars, which is one of the most difficult applications.
Tremendous progress has been made in this. Much more than I predicted a few
years ago. This is one of the most difficult jobs that can be done by a
robot. If it is done wrong, people will be killed and tremendous
liabilities will be incurred. It seems odd that corporations would start
with such a dangerous and critical application. You might think they would
start by making robots that fold sheets and flip hamburgers, or do other
jobs that cannot accidentally kill someone. They are concentrating on
self-driving cars because the market is gigantic, the potential profits are
gigantic, and the penalty for getting left behind by competition and rapid
bankruptcy.

There is no longer any question that the technology works and it is safer
than human-driven cars. All automakers are frantically developing this
because if they do not they will not survive another 20 years.

My guess is that once you develop robots that can drive safely, developing
robots to crack eggs or fold sheets will be easy in comparison. A whole
generation of robotic engineers and programmers will cut their teeth
learning how to make self-driving cars. They will soon be making other
things. This is similar to what happened when people developed the MIT
whirlwind project, Princeton's AIS computer, the IBM stretch 

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Axil Axil]

No social organization will long survive if the elites of that organization
do not care for the welfare of the general membership; a case in
point...the protestant reformation.

https://docs.google.com/a/tilburguniversity.edu/viewer?a=v=sites=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxtYWxpa2N1cnVrfGd4OjUwMWYwNTkzMGM1MDcxNjE



On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:54 PM, Che  wrote:

>
> I've already explained here that further capitalist technological
> development -- including that of any 'OU' & 'Cold Fusion' discoveries -- is
> incompatible with the democratic and healthy further development of Human
> society (howevermuch capitalism, in the Past, freed Humanity from the
> clutches of feudal and pre-feudal obscurantism and squalor). However, all I
> really ever get in response on this e-list is the usual know-nothing,
> knee-jerk anti-communist bilgewater... So of course, the actual logic of
> capital accumulation remains essentially unexamined by most of you (as is
> the intention of some, here); and this innate, scientifically-examinable,
> historically-determined, social-economic development has remained a closed
> book to most of you your ENTIRE lives: because you have uncritically
> accepted a certain political-economic mental conditioning as being good,
> honest coin. Which it AIN'T.
>
> Short answer: the capitalist development of technology essentially
> ENSLAVES the working-class: by its very logic, in its very essence. The
> socialist/communist development of the EXACT SAME technology OTOH, will do
> the EXACT OPPOSITE (once we are freed of World-wide capitalist sabotage):
> it will in fact FREE Humanity, forever, from the clutches of class
> exploitation.
>
> QED
>
>
> You want your 'Star Trek' Future..? Embrace Socialism -- or likely surely
> die in the latest, up-coming periodic capitalist conflagration, which will
> be called 'WWIII' (By somebody... Somewhere... Sometime... if not us.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html
>>
>> http://www.misorobotics.com/
>>
>> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant
>> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots?
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Che]

I've already explained here that further capitalist technological
development -- including that of any 'OU' & 'Cold Fusion' discoveries -- is
incompatible with the democratic and healthy further development of Human
society (howevermuch capitalism, in the Past, freed Humanity from the
clutches of feudal and pre-feudal obscurantism and squalor). However, all I
really ever get in response on this e-list is the usual know-nothing,
knee-jerk anti-communist bilgewater... So of course, the actual logic of
capital accumulation remains essentially unexamined by most of you (as is
the intention of some, here); and this innate, scientifically-examinable,
historically-determined, social-economic development has remained a closed
book to most of you your ENTIRE lives: because you have uncritically
accepted a certain political-economic mental conditioning as being good,
honest coin. Which it AIN'T.

Short answer: the capitalist development of technology essentially ENSLAVES
the working-class: by its very logic, in its very essence. The
socialist/communist development of the EXACT SAME technology OTOH, will do
the EXACT OPPOSITE (once we are freed of World-wide capitalist sabotage):
it will in fact FREE Humanity, forever, from the clutches of class
exploitation.

QED


You want your 'Star Trek' Future..? Embrace Socialism -- or likely surely
die in the latest, up-coming periodic capitalist conflagration, which will
be called 'WWIII' (By somebody... Somewhere... Sometime... if not us.)







On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 2:09 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html
>
> http://www.misorobotics.com/
>
> Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant
> employers replace a significant number of workers with these robots?
>

RE: [Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[JonesBeene]

Ah yes, but there is a small downside to “cost efficient” and “reliable” – 

Here is the “iMom”, possibly the successor to Alexa, coming to Amazon real soon 
… once a few bugs get worked out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hSPKsBZkME

You may never want to order chicken again


From: Axil Axil 

http://www.misorobotics.com/

Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant employers 
replace a significant number of workers with these robots?

[Vo]:Burger robots to replace burger flippers

[Axil Axil]

https://techxplore.com/news/2017-09-burger-robots.html

http://www.misorobotics.com/

Might robots prove so cost efficient and reliable that restaurant employers
replace a significant number of workers with these robots?