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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:57 AM, ChemE Stewart <cheme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-
> me-harmony-doll-20170913-story.html
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 1:12 AM H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ​Btw, a so called "burger flipper" isn't hired just to flip burgers. Even
>> if you had an unlimited budget with current technology you could not build
>> a robot to perform all the tasks a "burger flipper" does at a restaurant.
>> Harry
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 12:43 AM, H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Of course they are doing it to make money and they don't care if their
>>> products put people out of work. The point is employers aren't going to use
>>> robots in the service sector if the robots are more expensive and/or less
>>> flexible​ than a human. I think most people on the list are unaware of how
>>> subservient labour has become over the last 30 years with stagnate real
>>> wage growth, the decline of unions and labour codes being rewritten to
>>> allow for a more flexible workforce.
>>> Harry
>>> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> H LV <hveeder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> the other automation you speak off will proceed slowly as long as
>>>>> social security for "working age" men and women is linked to paid
>>>>> employment.
>>>> The people developing this technology are doing it to make money. They
>>>> don't care whether their products put people out of work.
>>>> Let me be blunt and say that I developed many software products which
>>>> put people out of work. I was automating work that was previously done by
>>>> people. I knew that. Everyone knew that. It did not slow us down. To be
>>>> honest, it did not bother us. We did it to make money, and to save the
>>>> customer money.
>>>> At present, Amazon.com is taking jobs away from enormous numbers of
>>>> people in retail. Far more than the total number industrial workers, or
>>>> miners being put out of work by the decline in coal consumption. Retail has
>>>> lost about 100,000 jobs from October 2016 to May 2017, which is more than
>>>> the total number of miners. ". . . [D]epartment stores have lost 18 times
>>>> more workers than coal mining since 2001."
>>>> https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/the-
>>>> silent-crisis-of-retail-employment/523428/
>>>> This is deeply regrettable for the people losing their jobs. I hate to
>>>> think of it. I sympathize with them. I hope society can help them, and I
>>>> hope they find other employment. But I am not going to stop using
>>>> Amazon.com. I seldom went to malls in the past, and I am going to go to
>>>> them now, out of charity. I do not see how anything can slow down this
>>>> trend, and I do not think it would be a good idea to try to slow it down.
>>>> Amazon.com will not do anything to "ensure security" for "working age men
>>>> and women." No corporation would. Any corporation that tries would be
>>>> bankrupted by the competition. That is how capitalism works.
>>>> Capitalism cannot solve this problem. Society as a whole must address
>>>> it. I doubt there are any clean, neat, quick or inexpensive solutions.
>>>> - Jed

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