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Howdy Vorts, The use of the word "bailout" is not descriptive of the intent of the package of legislature that failed to win support in congress. An analogy to the "plan" offered by Paulson is more like who get's a seat in the lifeboat. Paulson suggests a 700 billion size lifeboat will handle al

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_ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Jed - >> They should magically impose their will on the party if they honestly believe it is

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You may be right. However, the government is not the only source of funds nor is the bailout the only money being supplied by the government. The panic in the public was caused by an advertised effort to get this huge source of money available so that the financial companies would not coll

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DJIA is up 232 points from the open, but it was down 750 points on Friday. According to the WSJ, > Stocks staged a partial recovery Tuesday as investors hoped a revised > financial rescue plan will emerge. In other words, the recovery, such as it has been so far, is apparently (as far as folks c

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Well, for those who are still interested, the market is recovering nicely. However, while the stocks that are most at risk from the immediate problems are going up, the stocks that are expected to suffer from a recession are continuing downward. In other words, the basic market does not

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Ron Wormus wrote: > Jones, > All true enough but big companies run on credit, and if they don't have > it, it's going to cause big problems in relatively short order. The > Depression, Japan's "lost decade," the Russian currency crisis--all the > biggest drops in GDP were finance related. When

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Jed Rothwell wrote: > Maybe you despise Democrats Wilson and FDR for saving England's > butt in WWI and WWII? Don't forget China's butt, too. One might argue that England would have survived WWII even if the United States hadn't directly entered the war, but it's hard to say that about China,

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Mmmh, perhaps you should get him to research and write about CF. _ From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2008 14:58 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, Bill Bonner shares your basic

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Actually, Bill Bonner shares your basic attitude toward government, except he is a better writer and has researched the issue in depth.. Ed On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Remi Cornwall wrote: Sure looks like hate speech to me… You sure you want these guys being leaders of the free world? I

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>From Robin, > In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:04 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] >>$41T does sound a little high. A colleague at work got out his >>calculator and figured out that if you divided 40T by 400 million >>Americans, that would amount to a debt load of approximately $

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Excerpt from recent TIME article: "Let Risk-Taking Financial Institutions Fail" http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1845209,00.html?cnn=yes "The [currently proposed] bailout will involve a transfer of wealth — from the American people to financial institutions engaging in reckless sp

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er 2008 02:44 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Remi Cornwall wrote: <> More total crap from Remi - no wonder some find some of those on the right to be not very nice people at all. As Remi's M.O. is to turn up here every year or

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Sure looks like hate speech to me. You sure you want these guys being leaders of the free world? I think the battle lines are clear; a battle between the good of freedom and the evil, lying, socialist control. When will they ever learn? Cash for Trash By Bill Bonner "Bankruptcy of Neo-Ca

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Rick Monteverde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's > doing the representin' here? As I mentioned, the U.S. system is not direct representation. Representatives are supposed to use their own judgment. Nothing in the Constitution

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--On Monday, September 29, 2008 5:12 PM -0700 Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ron Wormus wrote: I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: Yes but maybe

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Jed wrote >> Republicans thought it stank. The vote was: >> Democrats 140 Yea, 95 Nay >> Republicans 65 Yea, 133 Nay >> More to the point Even more to the point, voters are liking it about 10:1 against. So who's doing the representin' here? And Jeff is right, twice. Dems have the majority, n

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Remi Cornwall wrote: <> More total crap from Remi - no wonder some find some of those on the right to be not very nice people at all. As Remi's M.O. is to turn up here every year or so, vent a lot of hot air then disappear again a few weeks later in a puff of sulphurous smoke for another year

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Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the democrats are shifting the blame. > > The law makers have a duty to make sure that people behave in a civilised > manner. If you create an environment where people can panic in a crowded > theatre The President is the one who cried fire, not t

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Ron Wormus wrote: I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: Yes but maybe he is only half right. Of course it is necessary -- and it will pass towards the end of

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Jed, The Utube link is hilarious! Sad that there is so much truth in it. I tend to agree with Paul Krugmen on this one--he hates Bush, doesn't like Wall Street, but thinks the bailout's necessary. analysis: " So what we now have is non-functional government

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In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:04 -0500: Hi, [snip] >$41T does sound a little high. A colleague at work got out his >calculator and figured out that if you divided 40T by 400 million >Americans, that would amount to a debt load of approximately $100,000, >each. That se

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ssage- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 23:17 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Robin van Spaandonk wrote: >I heard on TV last night that the level of private debt in the US is >$41 trillion. Imagine what is g

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>From Robin, ... > I have no idea if that $41 trillion figure is accurate or not. I have heard > various estimates. I think a large part of the problem is that no one has > any idea what the true number is, or who owes what to whom for what > property. $41T does sound a little high. A colleague

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Robin van Spaandonk wrote: I heard on TV last night that the level of private debt in the US is $41 trillion. Imagine what is going to happen if the banks start calling in *all* their loans. Precisely. That's what people like Warren Buffett are worried about. They are not concerned about the

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://www.davidicke.com/index.php/ http://www.jimmarrs.com/ -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Remi Cornwall wrote (tongue-in-cheek

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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:36:53 -0400: Hi, I heard on TV last night that the level of private debt in the US is $41 trillion. Imagine what is going to happen if the banks start calling in *all* their loans. [snip] >This is an extraordinary moment in US history. T

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>From Jed, ... > This is an extraordinary moment in US history. The situation is a lot more > critical than most people realize, according to friends of mine who > understand something about economics. > > - Jed Taking the longer view, it does seem obvious to me that this mess will go down in th

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Remi Cornwall wrote (tongue-in-cheek no doubt): Tell me something, is a president of the USA largely titular like a British monarch or do they have real power. Is it government by cabinet or leader-centric? This president is one of weakest in history, because it is close to the end of his ter

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Everyone agrees some kind of repair is needed. This is obvious. The issue is what form this repair should take. An increasing number of experts and ordinary people are realizing that the Paulson Plan is not form the repair should take. Unfortunately, the administration panicked and put toge

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Jeff Fink wrote: The dems control the house and senate. They don't need a single republican vote to get anything they want! That is not true. They have a small majority, and not much party unity. There are many conservative Democrats who will vote with Republicans on many issues. Many of th

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EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:30 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout News stories I'm seeing make it sound like it was the conservative Republicans who nuked the deal. With Barney Frank as lead representative on the bill, in the end it

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I do not understand economics, but Warren Buffett said this bailout is needed, and he is a smart cookie. So I worry that this, or something like it, is needed. Obama said: "stay calm, because things are never smooth in Congress . . . There are going to be some bumps and trials and tribulations

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PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 20:43 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout The people who nuked the deal are the people who do not trust the administration and who, in addition to listening to the voters, were able to hear what various

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esn't work. Jeff -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:30 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout News stories I'm seeing make it sound like it was the conservative Republican

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om: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 21:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Tell me something, is a president of the USA largely titular like a British monarch or do they have real power. Is it government by cabinet or leader-centric

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: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout The people who nuked the deal are the people who do not trust the administration and who, in addition to listening to the voters, were able to hear what various economists are saying. Of course, it helps to be very conservative or very

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Dow down 750 by the close. Gold bugs won. So far everyone else is looking like a loser. Keep in mind that the deal that was killed was not the first deal on the table; there had been significant changes to it, or so I understand, and it was supposedly quite a bit less outrageous than the thing w

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The people who nuked the deal are the people who do not trust the administration and who, in addition to listening to the voters, were able to hear what various economists are saying. Of course, it helps to be very conservative or very liberal. Thank heaven, there was enough independent thi

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News stories I'm seeing make it sound like it was the conservative Republicans who nuked the deal. With Barney Frank as lead representative on the bill, in the end it was apparently, in some sense, a Democratic initiative(?) or at any rate it was certainly bi-partisan.

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On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:04 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. --- NEWS ALERT from The Wall Street Journal Sept. 29, 2008 The Dow Jones Industrial

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Jones Beene wrote: > > "What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all > shares?" Dunno, haven't looked closely (I'm too busy hiding under the table to keep pieces of the sky from hitting me on the head), but when the Dow barfs like that it's not usually just one sector which drag

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Yes but what's causing the drop? I'm curious to know if after $700billion whether anything has changed. -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 19:42 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout "

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"What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all shares?" Well - in a larger sense of this being an historic "day of judgment" (starting at sunset), it is easier to understand what is going on. The wicked will be getting hit the hardest. It is written that on Rosh Hashanah the

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The plunge stabilized and bounced back a bit after passing the -700 mark. IMHO it's too early to tell if this is Black Thursday all over again, or just the usual stock market shenanigans, behaving like a flighty horse and "shying" at shadows. __ NEWS ALERT from Th

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What's causing the drop Stephen? Is it banking shares or all shares? -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 19:18 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Now down 700 points and dropping Step

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Now down 700 points and dropping Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to > the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. > > --- > NEWS ALERT > from The Wall Street Journal > > Sept. 29, 2008 > > The D

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Stockholders have just voted. The bailout was extremely important to the financial health of the country, or so they apparently believe. --- NEWS ALERT from The Wall Street Journal Sept. 29, 2008 The Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged more than 500 points as the the final votes we

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The Kiplinger Newsletter's take on the financial bailout: "10 Things That Will Change" http://kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/Ten_Things_That_Will_Be_Different_When_the_Financial_Smoke_Clears_080926.html http://tinyurl.com/3zrd39 Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

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Terry Blanton wrote: Did you see the word 'forced' in my post? Yes, I did. You wrote: "The loss of reasonable returns on these havens forced people into the money market . . ." You must have forgoten what you wrote! Probably a case of being absent minded because all you can think of is whe

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rry. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only

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p 26, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Jeff Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only the Supr

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nd eventually into the stock >>>>> market. The result is an inflated and volatile stock market and >>>>> people living on the edge of panic. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure the bailout will restore the waning faith of the masses. >>>>

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>>> I'm not sure the bailout will restore the waning faith of the masses. >>>> And, our entire financial system is founded on faith in fiat funds be >>>> it cash, stocks or bonds. >>>> >>>> Terry. >>>> >>>> On Fri

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ED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they show no interest in doing so. The cause of the problem is obvious to anyone who has looked at r

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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM >>> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >>> Cc: Edmund Storms >>> Subject:

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---Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they show no interest in doing so.

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Original Message- > From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout > > Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they >

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OrionWorks wrote: > Leak sez: > >> I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that >> a human wouldnt know waht a bee was. >> >> I could be wrong. > > I have not read PKD's novel, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep." > However, in the film adaption "Blade Runner" it see

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In reply to leaking pen's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:31:48 -0700: Hi, [snip] >you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do >anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems. Yes they are amongst those I meant. The bottom line is that in our current society,

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you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400: > Hi, > [snip]

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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400: Hi, [snip] >In an >industrial society, the people who make things must have enough money >to buy those things. [snip] If that were the case, there would be none left over for those who don't make anything. Regards, Robin van

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Leak sez: > I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that > a human wouldnt know waht a bee was. > > I could be wrong. I have not read PKD's novel, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep." However, in the film adaption "Blade Runner" it seemed obvious to me that the screen

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Tell me, what color is the sky in this fantasy land you live in? Or is it just too many drugs taken at once? On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can't argue with that. > > > > I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't > giv

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Remi Cornwall wrote: I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't give more history about how this mess came about. Say it loud, say it proud, the democrats vetoed reform in 2003 You seem to be confused about history, or the U.S. system. The Republicans had a l

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Jeff Fink wrote: Part of Obama's plan to balance the budget is to subject that 1 1/2% to social security payments as well! It is part of his plan to redistribute the wealth. . . . The majority of people endeavor to conduct their lives in such a manner so as not to be a burden to others. The

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Can't argue with that. I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't give more history about how this mess came about. Say it loud, say it proud, the democrats vetoed reform in 2003 and took money from lobbyists. They are like tamed pigs in the trough.

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On Sep 26, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Jeff Fink wrote: -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only the Supreme Court can

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-Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they show no interest in

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leaking pen wrote: > I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that > a human wouldnt know waht a bee was. That wasn't the point of the test, at least in the book -- in fact Deckard may even have explained to her what a bee was when the question came up; I'm no longer sur

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Wow! Team America on the TV. See ya. -Original Message- From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 20:58 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout >From Remi: > How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?

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I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that a human wouldnt know waht a bee was. I could be wrong. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OrionWorks wrote: >>>From Remi: >> >>> Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember

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tex-l@eskimo.com' Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced to areas where it extends beyond its constitutional limits? Jeff

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OrionWorks wrote: >>From Remi: > >> Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line >> "You're either police or little people." > > I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film, > "Blad Runner" with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for > Bla

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Remi Cornwall wrote: How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this? 1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win, let the good suffer. Bamboozle, perplex. 2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking: man married to sister both marrying a sh

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>From Remi: > How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this? > > 1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win, > let the good suffer. Bamboozle, perplex. > > 2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking: > man married to sister both marrying a s

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tex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Remi Cornwall wrote: >Are you sure? Yes, I have read history, and lived through it, and I am sure things were much worse in the past. I am also sure they can get worse again. >The public are infantilised, not talk how to think,

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Remi Cornwall wrote: Are you sure? Yes, I have read history, and lived through it, and I am sure things were much worse in the past. I am also sure they can get worse again. The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any dignity for themselves, putty infinitely moulda

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ptember 2008 19:48 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout > > > On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: > >> Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded. > > I suppose it does to someone who believes in

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>From Remi: > Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line > "You're either police or little people." I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film, "Blad Runner" with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for Blade Runner: http://www.imdb.com/t

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08 19:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote: Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded. I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of government. However, if you examin

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Are you sure? > From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Any law can be repealed. The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any dignity for themselves, putty infinitely mouldable in the hands of the elite. Jed, a lie's a lie. A pig with its nose in the trough

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Remi Cornwall wrote: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance". I just want to stop this simplistic notion GOP/Tory = bad, Labour/Democrat = Good, more government = good. There are false prophets. I do not think anyone here has made such a simplistic assertion. We have all read history boo

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Edmund Storms wrote: I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of government. However, if you examine the actual behavior, you will find that the number of laws always grow in number and complexity. Some laws, in some areas have grown in number, such as the tax laws. Oth

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I guess you'd make a great Chinese citizen. -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 19:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:

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. Just watch the bastards. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 19:41 To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Edmund Storms wrote: >The power of government always grows. Except when it shrinks. Th

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-Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:08 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout - Original Message ... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five - ... from

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On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: The power of government always grows. Except when it shrinks. Of course some laws are repealed and some are no longer enforced unless you get caught doing something that threatens the government. Nevertheless, the

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Remi Cornwall wrote: Jed*: If you think they give back 'their' powers then I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land. I said the voters took power back. Please do not distort my words. Are you under the impression that tax rates in the U.S. are still 90%? Is rationing still imposed in the

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IL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout The American constitution was formed with the concept of freedom for people, and that coorporations would do their best to oppress people. And they were right. They had the East Indies Trad

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Edmund Storms wrote: The power of government always grows. Except when it shrinks. That's a rather silly thing to say, Ed. If it always grew then we would be living in a "1984" dystopia by now. In fact, the power of government in the US is far smaller than it used to be, when you take int

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phone tapping and so forth) and many more I could find if I was a lawyer and constitutional expert. -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 18:58 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout What is a government? Yo

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> Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout > > The American constitution was formed with the concept of freedom for > people, and that coorporations would do their best to oppress people. > And they were right.

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Ohh, I'm one of those people. I want government OUT of my life. The only place government has a right to interfere with my life is where my actions impact others directly. But businesses do NOTHING but impact others directly. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:24 AM, OrionWorks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

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Remi Cornwall wrote: How do you regulate government then? Who governs the governors? When do governments vote themselves less power? That's a odd question. Democratic governments never vote on anything. Only the voters do. US and British voters have repeatedly given our governments tremend

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? When do governments vote themselves less power? I'm in agreement about corporations. -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout The American constitution was f

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character > of the people on the left it is the-lesser-of-two-evils to favour the right. > The American constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment. > > > -Original Message- > From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27 &

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>From Remi Cornwall: > I'm not convinced about the need for more government. > > It attracts the Machiavellian type who don't deal in facts and distort truth > (such as blaming the credit crunch on the free market when the demos vetoed > reform). > > It attracts unproductive hangers-on to big pub

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n the left it is the-lesser-of-two-evils to favour the right. > The American constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment. > > > -Original Message- > From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > S

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t. The American constitution was forged in the light of the Enlightenment. -Original Message- From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 September 2008 17:27 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Less government on the individual. MORE on the co

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