Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
You know very well that Rossi has never shown the slightest inclination to
do anything like that. Many variants of that idea have been proposed to
Rossi and he has refused them all . . .
This is true. He has emphatically refused. I agree there is no chance
On 23/12/11 14:40, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I am pretty sure the reason is because he wants to keep a low profile.
He wants enough people to believe it is real to attract customers, but
not so many that it attracts competition or attention from the
authorities. He does not want the DoE to think it
Energy Liberator wrote:
I can see the reasoning behind that but what baffles me is if that is
the case then why even set up in the US?
Because he like the U.S. He likes being here. And he had terrible
experiences in Italy.
There is a lot to like about the U.S. despite the DoE.
- Jed
From Jed:
...
I am pretty sure the reason is because he wants to keep a low
profile. He wants enough people to believe it is real to attract
customers, but not so many that it attracts competition or
attention from the authorities. He does not want the DoE to
think it is real. I
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business
tactic that has limited shelf life.
Yup. It is a delaying tactic.
[This] will fall apart as the technology essentially validates itself via
through
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate
business tactic that has limited shelf life.
Yup. It is a delaying tactic.
Can you
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by
deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work?
Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is not designed
for plug-in mode; they do not
From Mary Yugo:
Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has
been marketed by deliberately acting in a way that suggests
it can't and doesn't work? By acting in a way that
suggests investor fraud?
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
In Rossi's case, trying to maintain a low profile is a delicate business
tactic that has limited shelf life.
Yup. It is a delaying tactic.
[This]
I wrote:
Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed by
deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work?
Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is not designed
for plug-in mode; they do not recommend it; it will take a
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:21 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over is
the apparent fact that Rossi is not deliberately (or overtly) ...acting in
a way that suggests investor fraud. Rossi is
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I wrote:
Can you think of a recent spectacular innovation that has been marketed
by deliberately acting in a way that suggests it can't and doesn't work?
Toyota's plug in Prius. Toyota kept saying existing model is
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
It's all in the eye of the beholder. The point I think you gloss over is
the apparent fact that Rossi is not deliberately (or overtly) ...acting in
a way that suggests investor fraud. Rossi is instead employing
passive-tactics
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
That's an interesting idea. Good point. I doubt he fears this, but he
might.
Rossi and Defkalion have been jerking well meaning and interested people
around by the thousands (or more) for the better part of the year
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Dreadful example. Nobody doubted for an instant that a plug in Prius was
coming soon.
Soon? How soon? What was coming?
Toyota introduced it ahead of schedule, after downplaying expectations and
withholding specifications. That ploy is often used in
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Rossi and Defkalion have been jerking well meaning and interested people
around by the thousands (or more) for the better part of the year and all
you can do is come up with ridiculous explanations and defenses for these
people?
You call this a
From Harry:
I suspect he does not want to take the risk of an independently
tested ecat behaving erractically. He fears the published results
would make his commercial promises look silly, even if the basic
energy producing claims are validated.
From Jed:
That's an interesting
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:52 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I If you were a competitor, such as someone with affiliations with the
fossil fuel industry, a mega-industry that obviously wouldn't want Rossi's
eCats to survive, if one of those individuals or
I wrote:
Rossi is instead employing passive-tactics indirectly...
The Allies knew the Germans thought this, so they conducted Operation
Fortitude to reinforce that expectation.
The point I was trying to make, and forgot to make, is that deception is
often passive. You persuade your enemy
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
You do not know what you are talking about.
Well, that's a good argument.
So you ARE going to buy a 1 MW reactor?!? I am astounded.
I am not buying a leaky claptrap collection of 100 or so badly assembled,
messy
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
You can say their strategy is stupid, or it will probably fail for thus
and such reason, or that you would do things differently. But the notion
that it has to be justified by your standards -- or by some universal
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example of
cold fusion/LENR power generation, it will sell world wide better than
hotcakes with strawberry syrup and whipped cream on top ever did. NOTHING
-- not regulation, oil interests,
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Even today, doctors in the US kill hundreds of thousands of patients every
year because they do not bother to wash their hands or sterilize properly.
They are not ignorant. They are lazy, unprofessional and uncaring,
Jed sez:
...
It is just a matter of paying a bigger bribe. This is how US
industry has worked since 1865, and the building of the
transcontinental railroad.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I have no choice but to do both.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example
of cold fusion/LENR power generation, it will sell world wide better than
hotcakes with strawberry syrup
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
That is the ultimate in silliness. If anyone develops a robust example
of cold fusion/LENR power
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
You insist on comparing a supposed cold fusion/LENR robust power power
plant to Netflix, IBM, and Edison. But that's silly.
Because I believe the effect is real. Naturally, you do not think so
because you do not think it is real. You have to imagine my
At 02:44 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
Aseptic technique may be
imperfect in many places but hundreds of thousands of death due to
negligence? Cite please. And not some whacko website,
please.
http://www.safepatientproject.org/2007/05/cdc_publishes_sobering_stats_o.html
In a newly released
At 02:53 PM 12/23/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 02:44 PM 12/23/2011, Mary
Yugo wrote:
Aseptic technique may be
imperfect in many places but hundreds of thousands of death due to
negligence? Cite please. And not some whacko website,
please.
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Of course, Jed was 13 short of hundreds of thousands -- but that's just
Hospitals. Add in nursing hoems,clinics, doctor's offices
Hey, I was just an order of magnitude low. I always say, what's an order of
magnitude among friends?
In my experience,
I have to feel stunned by the naivete of some of you. Major corporations are
entirely capable of murder or theft. I suggest you read up on John Perkins and
his book Confessions of an Economic Hitman in which he cites various
coincidences of third world leaders who met with an accident after
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
I am really curious: who do you think tried to stop FF . . .
Oh for crying out loud. Tried to stop? Really?!?
Look, they did not try -- they succeeded! I know exactly who they are.
Everyone knows who they are! I have met the leading members of the
Zell, Chris chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Or perhaps you could speak with minor officials in Florida who
were documenting fraud by Too Big To Fail banks - until their superior told
them that their services were no longer required... and afterward have NO
ONE got to jail for what could be the
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Such a thing would be more revolutionary and would gain faster acceptance
and more interest than anything done in the last hundred years.
If you believe that, you do not know
Jed Rothwell says:
Do you think OPEC and Big Coal will be
thrilled? You think they will roll over and play dead? They will
demand that it be banned.
And when the Chinese and Japanese and everybody with a brain starts
churning out ecats, will Big Coal knock on their door and demand
that they
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Look, they did not try -- they succeeded! [...]
WHO tried to stop PF's first efforts? HOW did they do it?
So, you say cold fusion research was stopped. It has produced nothing.
$200 million spent (Nagel's
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Of course, Jed was 13 short of hundreds of thousands -- but that's just
Hospitals. Add in nursing hoems,clinics, doctor's offices
Hey, I was just an order of magnitude low.
17th Century London :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070102/Royal-Society-exhibition-John-Graunts-1679-medical-stats-reveal-Londoners-causes-death.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/05/article-0-0F0E28C60578-628_964x1085.jpg
Consumption and Cough is in the lead, at 44,487
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Read history. Learn something. Don't ask ignorant questions. I uploaded
1,200 papers for a reason, so that people can learn things. Don't ask me to
spoon-feed you every morsel of information. Do your own damn homework.
At 04:22 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
Ah... but you see, not every infection in a hospital is preventable,
even with the most meticulous technique. While a few doctors are
slobs and a few hospital are trash pits, most in the US are
not. People get infections from their relatives and
Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and nurses
than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food workers, and all the
other less educated hospital staff.
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 04:22 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo
At 04:35 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and
nurses than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food
workers, and all the other less educated hospital staff.
Hospital Infections: Preventable and Unacceptable
WSJ 2008 :
At 04:35 PM 12/23/2011, Mary Yugo wrote:
Some is avoidable, some not. The problem is less with doctors and
nurses than it is with aides of various types, janitors, food
workers, and all the other less educated hospital staff.
5 google clicks seems to disprove your hypothesis. eg
Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
I was seriously bummed out to hear the Navy researchers being forced to
stop their work due to too much publicity.
My question to Vortex members is this: What is the best way to advocate
for clean energy from this reaction, which we choose to call cold fusion?
Regarding the comments about SPAWAR here:
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Swartz/Mitchell-Swartz-Cold-Fusion-Researcher.shtml
As far as I know, Krivit had no role in the demise of the project. No one
has complained about him, or mentioned him. The Fox News report was the
straw the broke the
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote:
The public needs to be informed so that we will have the capacity to demand
this technology, and not let it be derailed again. What do you think is the
best way to do this?
Seek out mainstream journalists and explain to them why this
Best:
Persuade Rossi to sell (or rent) you a single e-Cat ASAP. I'll contribute
$ to that effort. Then have competent engineers instrument it and do a
proper test. If done properly, and it's a successful test, you won't have
any problems with advocacy.
-m
From: Ruby
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Best:
Persuade Rossi to sell (or rent) you a single e-Cat ASAP. I’ll
contribute $ to that effort. Then have competent engineers instrument it
and do a proper test. If done properly, and it’s a
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
You're more likely to be able to purchase an invisible unicorn
than a single e-cat to test.
Do I get my choice of colors?
T
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
You're more likely to be able to purchase an invisible unicorn
than a single e-cat to test.
Do I get my choice of colors?
T
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