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2014-10-14 Thread Bob Higgins
In a recent email, Ed Storms observed that the sample of the Lugano ash that was tested was probably not at all representative of the material that was active in the reactor core. At the temperatures measured, many of the materials would have melted (or vaporized), and those that did not melt

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2014-10-14 Thread Axil Axil
The fact the the Ni62 particle was still functional and had its tubericles intact points to the fact the particles was not melted and was no hotter than the outside of the reactor. To explain this LENR miracle, see my thread called: Super​-fluidic heat flow. On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Bob

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2014-10-14 Thread Bob Higgins
Following on to this line of thought ... Given the temperatures that the reactor had been operating in actual operation, many of the constituents of the fuel powder would have either melted, vaporized, or sintered to the inside of the reactor core vessel. Thus, when removing the ash for test, the

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2014-10-14 Thread Axil Axil
Particle 1 was analyzed and found to contain Ni62. Its photo shows that its tubercles were not melted and the particle was therefore cold. Your reasoning must be reversed. Particle 1 came from the COLDEST part of the reactor. The induction coil is also cold and must have been located close to the

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2014-10-12 Thread Brad Lowe
FYI, you can search all of Rossi's blogs using this handy link: http://www.rossilivecat.com/all.html Here is an entry from Aug. 28 2014 where Rossi states that his Rossi effect seems to enrich nickel to Ni62, and that Ni62 seems to improve the efficiency of the reaction. H

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2014-10-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Brad Lowe http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=853cpage=12#comment-992087 Quoting Rossi: We think that our process, the so called “Rossi Effect”, is, as a serendipity, also a system to produce 62Ni, because only this fact can explain the formation of

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2014-10-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: - The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism somehow converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion and fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no

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2014-10-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I may have missed the paragraph that stated the amount of material that was taken from within the reactor as ash. Did they recover approximately the same amount as was put in? Approximately 1 gram of fuel was added at

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2014-10-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Sorry – but this reactor is made of alumina – which is a proton conductor. Beta alumina is among the best proton conducting ceramics but you would never use any form of alumina if you wanted to retain a supply of hydrogen

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2014-10-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: more magic involved? fusion + fission transmutations that release copious neutrinos with no gammas, betas, neutrons or alphas? Apart from a few suggestions here and there, the main reactions that have been

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2014-10-11 Thread torulf.greek
So its may be possible the main energy source is pepD and associated reactions. This may also gives D for neutron striping reactions. Torulf. On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:42:26 -0700, Eric Walker wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote: Sorry - but this reactor is made of

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2014-10-11 Thread Jones Beene
Please read the paper. Levi says the tube is sintered. Sintered alumina would have about 6% porosity. It will not contain hydrogen at high or low temperature. However, it is unclear as to whether the fuel was admitted already inside a separate hermetically sealed ampoule. If so, that

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2014-10-11 Thread Axil Axil
I looked into the diffusion of tritium from reactor pipes and discovered that oxygen, carbon, moly, and silicon can slow hydrogen diffusion by 20 orders of magnitude. You might wonder why all of these elements were present in the fuel load. Rossi is very cleaver. On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM,

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2014-10-11 Thread David Roberson
will be required. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Oct 11, 2014 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I may have missed

Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
David, I strongly disagree with the conclusions you have expressed regarding the ash sample isotope fraction. First, as I explain in this (rather-long-winded) mail from yesterday, the ENTIRE ASH SAMPLE BULK was analyzed by ICP-MS as consisting of 99.3% enriched Ni-62. ( see:

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2014-10-11 Thread Alain Sepeda
the key argument is that we don't have a theory on how it works, and we have no idea if Ni62 is active, an ash, or anything... heat is produced, and this man have to learn calorimetry like Huizenga, Parks, and most nuclear physicist who imagine that they are the center of the world, and disdain

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2014-10-11 Thread Jones Beene
Robert, Whether you know it or not, you may have put another nail in coffin of any faint hope that this report is valid, and not a fraud. What's more, in answer to Ransom, it could be a deliberate fraud. Let me put it this way, if

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2014-10-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
_ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs

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2014-10-11 Thread Jones Beene
...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Let me put

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2014-10-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Ok - I can buy the cyclic reaction, but how do you explain the great preponderance of Li-6 in the ash, compared to all other isotopes? That does not indicate a cycle so much as a major shift... and where are the intermediaries in the nearly

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2014-10-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Ellefson's message of Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:24:55 -0700: Hi, [snip] While this still only represents a small sample of the complete reactor ash, I have a difficult time believing that a substantial fractionation of nickel isotopes occurred. I suspect that most of the other fuel

RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-11 Thread Jones Beene
] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Let me put

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2014-10-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Why is the Ni62 nearly pure? The reaction was stopped for reasons which were pre-planned, and not related to a depletion of reactants. They made this clear. There was an earlier thread about the possibility of burn-in,

Re: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-11 Thread Axil Axil
: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Let me put it this way, if what you say is true - that the sample tested to 99.3% purity of Ni-62, then we have a major problem. Are you certain

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2014-10-11 Thread Axil Axil
Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs

RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-11 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com ...and besides there is the little matter of all that excess energy. All that excess? In fact, here is nothing that can be called scientifically proved excess energy at all... this is because the experiment is fatally flawed in using a IR

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2014-10-11 Thread Robert Dorr
I f I read the information correctly reactor is only transparent to I.R. below a wavelength of about 5 microns ( almost 0% transmissive at wavelengths longer than 5 microns) and they used I.R. cameras that were sensitive in the range of 7.5 microns and 13 microns. Therefor the cameras

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2014-10-11 Thread H Veeder
] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 4:35 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Ok - I can buy the cyclic reaction, but how do you explain the great preponderance of Li-6 in the ash

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2014-10-11 Thread Robert Ellefson
Harry and Jones, I do not believe that the discovery of highly-enriched isotopes is the result of fraud. I think that the variable fractions of isotopes between the surface and the bulk of the ash indicates that isotopic enrichment was occurring in-situ. The apparent fact (if true) that

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2014-10-11 Thread H Veeder
Thanks! Harry On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Robert Ellefson vortex-h...@e2ke.com wrote: Harry and Jones, I do not believe that the discovery of highly-enriched isotopes is the result of fraud. I think that the variable fractions of isotopes between the surface and the bulk of the

Re: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-11 Thread Axil Axil
Subject: RE: Isotope conversion completeness, was RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Let me put it this way, if what you say is true - that the sample tested to 99.3% purity of Ni-62, then we have a major problem. Are you certain

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2014-10-10 Thread Alain Sepeda
this question can change the COP, not the bottom line : at lower input power, the temperature is much higher for the active version. 2014-10-10 7:40 GMT+02:00 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is wonderfully

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2014-10-10 Thread frobertcook
It may be hard to get ro operating temp with only the electric power supply and no LENR. Bob Cook Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE SmartphoneRobert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent point. Would be easy enough to do a second control run even now to add some

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2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
The dimethyl siloxane type of polymer will confine hydrogen since oxygen carbon and silicon all keep hydrogen from escaping. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The Lithium Aluminum Hydride was not added to the fuel mix for its good looks. The Hydride had a

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2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
this is an old tactic that Beaudette debunked. the physicist ignore voluntarily that heat above chemistry level is a nuclear ash. maybe Jed can make a better historical perspective than me. as I've read, the chemist were so bad in particle detection, and physicist so bad in calorimetry, that

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2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
bad logic even a fraudster cannot change the physics of heat. a fraudster need to control his environment. he makes pony show. he ensure condition for his fraud. he does not let people play with his reactor, choose methods... the fraud hypotheis are empty... they don't even consider the

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2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect that hydrogen is the fuel, and that Ni is just modified. that the surface of the powder is pure Ni62 maye be simply that it is cooked by the reactions, stay stable, and

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2014-10-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
, Oct 8, 2014 10:51 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine how, but perhaps what was left behind inside the reactor when added to the ash would show that no isotopic shifts took place. Sorry, but that makes no sense. The material

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2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
Two things: On 10/08/2014 11:07 PM, Robert Lynn wrote: The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism somehow converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion and fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no radioactive isotopes produced? Patterson,

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
And being a 3rd part test I would assume Rossi does not have access or opportunity to switch out anything. From: Blaze Spinnaker [mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 10:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Jed, perhaps someone

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2014-10-09 Thread Craig Haynie
On 10/09/2014 07:00 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: And being a 3^rd part test I would assume Rossi does not have access or opportunity to switch out anything. From page 7 of the report: The dummy reactor was switched on at 12:20 PM of 24 February 2014 by Andrea Rossi who gradually brought

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2014-10-09 Thread Roarty, Francis X
: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:47 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in Many things do not add up here, especially the drastic changes from the original E-Cat. The more I read the more skeptical is my outlook on this. Could some clever troll have gotten hold

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2014-10-09 Thread Steve High
A point of clarification if I might. The siloxane was never present in the reactor. It was the adhesive used to fix the ash particles, after removal from the reactor, so they could be analyzed for isotopic composition. The odd thing about the isotopic analysis: if you read the appendix you will

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2014-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
From: Axil Axil The dimethyl siloxane type of polymer will confine hydrogen since oxygen carbon and silicon all keep hydrogen from escaping. No, that is incorrect. As Steve High says, this material was never in the reactor. This is a high temperature polymer

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2014-10-09 Thread Jones Beene
That is true, Fran - but as of now – this is looking more unbelievable to me than the very first Rossi demo – the “steam or hot-air” version. This is no longer a hydrogen reactor. That is a huge change in focus. As someone else has commented, at least now Rossi has now backed himself into a

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2014-10-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 05:46 PM 10/8/2014, Jones Beene wrote: Many things do not add up here, especially the drastic changes from the original E-Cat. I don't have any problem with the design evolution. The original warm cat went from a large tube boiler to a small tube boiler to a kettle. The hotcat went from a

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2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: The fraud hypothesis is an obvious option. If it is so obvious then please explain how it would be done. By Rossi, I mean. Obviously if Levi et al. wanted to commit fraud they could simply publish fake data. They could make up the whole thing without doing an

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2014-10-09 Thread Ron Wormus
--On Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:07 AM -0400 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like the system ran until its fuel was exhausted. The unused fuel shows the natural isotope composition from both SIMS and ICP-MS, i.e. 58 Ni (68.1%), 60 Ni (26.2%), 61 Ni (1.1%), 62 Ni

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2014-10-09 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
yes, they probably choosed the most extreme sample to make a statement. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ron Wormus prot...@frii.com wrote: --On Thursday, October 09, 2014 5:07 AM -0400 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: It does look like the system ran until its fuel was

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2014-10-09 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, I think you have far insufficient data to jump to the conclusion that this is no longer a Ni-H reaction. Earlier, the hotCat used stainless, and it worked just fine. Before that, it was just added H2 gas. Just because alumina is used now does not mean it is beta alumina or even uncoated

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2014-10-09 Thread torulf.greek
Thanks this looks fine. Rossi have to declare watt material he used. On Thu, 9 Oct 2014 09:41:33 -0600, Bob Higgins wrote: Jones, I think you have far insufficient data to jump to the conclusion that this is no longer a Ni-H reaction. Earlier, the hotCat used stainless, and it worked

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2014-10-09 Thread H Veeder
Stephen Pomp asserts that it is possible to use commercially available isotopes to make an ash sample that gives the same values as measured in the report. Setting aside the issues of how Rossi would switch samples and his motivation for doing so, we should ask if Pomp is exaggerating the

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2014-10-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
I think this report was very good from many aspects. I understand from the comments that the Pomp's of this world now have one and only one way to deny the existence of Rossi's E-cat and that is to say that Rossi is an fraud and a magician. As much as I want to be critical and as much as it is OK

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2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stefan Israelsson Tampe stefan.ita...@gmail.com wrote: yes, they probably choosed the most extreme sample to make a statement. I do not think they chose the samples. I think they only analyzed two and they reported on both. If they had analyzed 10 or 20 I think they would've said so. - Jed

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2014-10-09 Thread Chris Zell
I think a line is being crossed in regard to the accusations made. While there are many points to be debated, accusing professionals of being part of a fraud is something that should answered in a courtroom as defamation. -

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2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
This is correct thinking and a real path to truth. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect that hydrogen is the fuel, and that Ni

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2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: I think a line is being crossed in regard to the accusations made. While there are many points to be debated, accusing professionals of being part of a fraud is something that should answered in a courtroom as defamation. I agree with your

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2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This is correct thinking and a real path to truth. On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:23 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: tthe isotopic shift observed is probably only a side effect of the real reaction. from others LENR experiments one can suspect

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2014-10-09 Thread Axil Axil
From an electromagnetic point of view, nickel and lithium perform the same no matter how many neutrons are included in their nuclei. The testers should not have run the reactor at 1400C. That high operational temperature would have partially melted many of the nickel particles thereby reducing

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2014-10-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The testers should not have run the reactor at 1400C. I do not think they knew it would get that hot. That high operational temperature would have partially melted many of the nickel particles thereby reducing the power output of the test reactor.

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2014-10-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is wonderfully simple calorimetry. The easiest I have seen in cold fusion. If you cannot understand this, you cannot understand any experiment, and you know nothing about this subject. To be honest, the calorimetry

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2014-10-09 Thread Robert Lynn
Excellent point. Would be easy enough to do a second control run even now to add some confidence to the calorimetry. The alumina + wire will be off-the-shelf all someone need do is ask Rossi for specs of tube and wire - he should be happy to provide them in the interests of clarity. On 10

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2014-10-08 Thread torulf.greek
Who took the fuel-ash samples, and there? I can not find a account for this. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:57:13 -0400, Jed Rothwell wrote: Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html [1] He apparently believes that calorimetry does not work, Prof. Stephan

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2014-10-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
it seems to be as Beaudette observed with nuclear physicist. they imagine calorimetry is not science by cooking (and even cooking is serious) 2014-10-08 23:57 GMT+02:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Pomp, pomp, pomp: http://stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/10/the-cat-is-dead.html He

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Pomp makes a point though... the whole document is meaningless compared to the ash measurement. Who cares about heat / input / blah blah lbah if we're doing transumation without radiation. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: it seems to be as Beaudette

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The simple reality is this - either Rossi has just changed reality as we know it or not. There is no longer a gray area at all. I'm betting he's a fraud, simply because the probability of him doing this is too incredible. What he's done is nothing short of miraculous. It is total inflection

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2014-10-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
I have to admit that it would be trivially easy for an apprentice magician to construct a container into which you insert (say) white powder as fuel and later on extract black powder as ash. But the calorimetry stands. Pomp doesn't even denigrate the calorimetry : he just ignores it Because

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
If Rossi switched out the ash, he's a fraud. End of story. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I have to admit that it would be trivially easy for an apprentice magician to construct a container into which you insert (say) white powder as fuel and later on

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2014-10-08 Thread Jones Beene
Many things do not add up here, especially the drastic changes from the original E-Cat. The more I read the more skeptical is my outlook on this. Could some clever troll have gotten hold of the manuscript and changed it just enough to make it barely believable, so long as one does not

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2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Transmutation has be seen in LENR experiments for many years and even Ed Storms says that Transmutation has nothing to do with the LENR reaction. This test result does not tell us anything new. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Many things do not add up

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2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
From the last line on page 53... Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a very fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash. Does this

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2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I'm betting he's a fraud, simply because the probability of him doing this is too incredible. What he's done is nothing short of miraculous. It is more miraculous than what Fleischmann and Pons and several hundred other groups have done. Do

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2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant that Rossi is NO more miraculous than what FP and hundreds of others have done. Only the scale is larger. The Chicago Pile 1 one-watt nuclear reactor was as momentous as the fission bomb explosion. The scale was different, but they were equally convincing. If you do not believe that, or

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Jed, it doesn't matter. If the ash is a fraud, Rossi is a fraud. Plain and simple. I'm not interesting in debating the other aspects of the experiment because of the complexities involved in calorimetry. There are no such complexities in the ash which makes the discussion very

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
One possibility that I haven't seen discussed is that the internals of the reactor are responsible for the change in composition in some way. I can't imagine how, but perhaps what was left behind inside the reactor when added to the ash would show that no isotopic shifts took place. On Wed,

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2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
Jed, don't you think it is strange that the isotopic composition of the ash closely resembles what is commercially available. Also the ash is free of other elements that were present before the run. That would make sense if the ash came from a commercial source which didn't contain these elements.

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2014-10-08 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Blaze I'm not interesting in debating the other aspects of the experiment because of the complexities involved in calorimetry. But Mom! Why can't I stay up till 10:00 PM? Because I told you so. Now go to bed! Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com

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2014-10-08 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: Pomp, pomp, pomp: Because the bible of nuclear physics tells me so. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

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2014-10-08 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Blaze sed: If Rossi switched out the ash, he's a fraud. End of story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model See item #3: Bargaining Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.orionworks.com zazzle.com/orionworks

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Another possibility is that someone switched out the ash on Rossi to discredit him However, I would have assumed that Rossi would have complained about that immediately on his blog On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: Blaze sed:

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2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: If Rossi switched out the ash, he's a fraud. End of story. Here is something you think about. Why would he switch out the ash? What possible benefit would that bring to him? What motivation would he have? The answers are no reason, none and none.

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2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Lithium and nickel are just the spark plugs of the reaction. Other elements were transmuted but the ash analysis did not pick this part of the reaction mechanism up. There was a preconception of what the reaction should look like that has no basis in reality. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:21 PM,

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2014-10-08 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Jed, perhaps someone is trying to discredit Rossi and thought this was the best way to do so. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: If Rossi switched out the ash, he's a fraud. End of story. Here is

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2014-10-08 Thread James Bowery
Unfortunate that in this day and age of trivial-cost 24/7 video surveillance that there isn't a complete audio-video log of such a critical experiment. Such precautions would, of course, be unprecedented but no more so than the purported impact of the technology. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM,

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2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
notice that there was no copper transmutation in this test. The reason: whenever you deploy the power in a different way, you change what the powder will produce in the reaction. Rossi glued the powder down using a silicon glue. He wanted to spread the powder out. He did not pack the powder into

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, perhaps someone is trying to discredit Rossi and thought this was the best way to do so. Do you mean, someone else swapped out the ash, putting in unnatural isotopic materials? I do not think that is possible. Only Levi et al. and Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunate that in this day and age of trivial-cost 24/7 video surveillance that there isn't a complete audio-video log of such a critical experiment. Such precautions would, of course, be unprecedented but no more so than the purported impact of the

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not interesting in debating the other aspects of the experiment because of the complexities involved in calorimetry. This is wonderfully simple calorimetry. The easiest I have seen in cold fusion. If you cannot understand this, you cannot

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I can't imagine how, but perhaps what was left behind inside the reactor when added to the ash would show that no isotopic shifts took place. Sorry, but that makes no sense. The material that came out proves there are isotopic shifts. What

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread James Bowery
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunate that in this day and age of trivial-cost 24/7 video surveillance that there isn't a complete audio-video log of such a critical experiment. Such precautions would, of

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
It is strange if the ash contents really do resemble what is available commercially. ​I read one suggestion on facebook, that the reactor could contian special compartments like a magician's trick box . One thing goes in and a different thing comes out depending on how the box is manipulated.​

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Robert Lynn
De-cloaking long term lurker. Latest test result issues that raise my suspicions: - The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism somehow converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion and fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no radioactive

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
You have some unfounded assumptions in your thinking that are the same assumption that the testers suffer from. The reaction does not center on the nickel or the lithium. The LENR transmutation is done in the hydrogen and the aluminum and other elements. Did you see this line on page 53? Sample

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You have some unfounded assumptions in your thinking that are the same assumption that the testers suffer from. The reaction does not center on the nickel or the lithium. The LENR transmutation is done in the hydrogen and

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Can you get Ni62 at 90% enragement from a commercial source? Why not just add some copper to the ash, it is cheaper to create that fraud. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:21 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You have some

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Each nickel particle had a different surface presentation and isotopic content. That would be hard to get COTS. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Can you get Ni62 at 90% enragement from a commercial source? Why not just add some copper to the ash, it is

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Robert Lynn
so the claim is essentially that this soup of elements were also consumed to exhaustion, without changing power input or output as their quantities reduced, in an amazingly perfect process that has as its only product the highest binding energy Ni62 (also consuming Ni64) and without creating any

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
NiH2 Zn* Ni + He 2H(1) + Ni(64) Zn(66)* Step1 Zn(66)* Ni(62) + He(4) Step 2 You also suffer from the nuclear physics syndrome where reactions are fixed over all systems. Each LENR system has a unique transmutation character based on the way the magnetic field emitters are deployed. In fact,

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread H Veeder
According to Pomp you can fake the ash with commercially available samples. Now perhaps Pomp's claim is an exaggeration and it is only possible to roughly approximate the ash. I'll let the experts decide. Harry On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Can you get

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

2014-10-08 Thread Axil Axil
Each LENR system has a unique transmutation character based on the way the magnetic field emitters are deployed. In fact, each nickel particle produces a different reaction. You should read and understand Appendix 3 to educate your preconceptions. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Axil Axil

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