Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
This is the same old run-around we get from Levi, including willful withholding of information. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a

Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
It seems Krivit has Rossi-isms of his own. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times. end excerpt I wonder who constitutes Our? Expanding on Terry's

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. However you wish to hold fast the assurtion (am I correct in this?) that this does not happen, but that liquid water exits as suspended droplets and maybe a little

[Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread Jones Beene
Beautiful photo montage of a number of hot fusion's devastating failures. None of them had a ghost of a chance: http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/38167/?nlid=nldlynld=2011-07-29 How much precious RD resources have been funneled into this abysmal joke (by the skeptics of LENR) ? $100

Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Not a one of these monstrosities has produced as much excess power as Rossi, even if his steam is dripping wet. Not true. All plasma fusion devices produce excess power. The PPPL produced about 10 MW for about 0.6 s (~6 MJ). As far as I know, none has

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the

[Vo]:group works on my velocity

2011-07-30 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=522page=6

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. I have not seen this evidence. There is a mixture of liquid water and mist/steam at the

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the temperature would immediately fall below boiling. It would be obvious. That is very

[Vo]:Used EV Batteries for Grid Leveling

2011-07-30 Thread Terry Blanton
http://blogs.forbes.com/uciliawang/2011/07/20/gms-search-for-a-home-for-used-chevy-volt-batteries/ GM is looking for ways to re-use its Chevy Volt’s lithium-ion batteries after they have served their purpose or the cars are heading to the junk yard. Batteries already can be recycled to retrieve

Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: How much precious RD resources have been funneled into this abysmal joke (by the skeptics of LENR) ? $100 billion from the USA alone (in 2010 dollars) ? Maybe more. Not a one of these monstrosities has produced as much

[Vo]:Rossi Hot Water Experiment and the Pointless Wrangle over Steam Dryness

2011-07-30 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, IF my memory is correct there was a hot water test on the Rossi Device. Also, it appears the the results of the hot water test were. OK. So IF ...this is true, it seems to make all of the wrangling of the NERVOUS NELLIES of Cold Fusion-- Pointless. I am willing

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: This is the same old run-around we get from Levi, including willful withholding of information. You make it sound as if this were a police investigation and you are the District Attorney. Let me set you straight. 1. Levi and I are under no obligation to

Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:19:01 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: How much precious RD resources have been funneled into this

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-30 Thread Angela Kemmler
time passes news about Piantelli's work. Thanks for translating this. Perhaps Piantelli has been spurred into working more quickly and going commercial quickly by Rossi. Piantelli has been doing this research for a long time but he has not published many papers. He has been keeping a

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
Still waiting. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: This is the same old run-around we get from Levi, including willful withholding of information. You make it sound as if this were a police investigation and you

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Hot Water Experiment and the Pointless Wrangle over Steam Dryness

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, IF my memory is correct there was a hot water test on the Rossi Device. Also, it appears the the results of the hot water test were. OK. There's no evidence this. So IF ...this is

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Angela Kemmler angela.kemm...@gmx.de wrote: Francesco Piantelli's problem is that independent replication attempts failed so far. Piantelli described precisely his reactor in his patents, but nobody could repeat his results . . . As far as I know, that is correct. I may have overlooked a

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its way along a hose that also contained water. Isn't this highschool physics? On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM,

[Vo]:Thane Heins in EV world

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1890   ...has he discovered a law of physics hereto unknown but intriguing enough to spur the imagination for some modern-day Teslas? MIT thinks so, as do a host of other legitimate laboratories. And so does Thane.      Harry

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Hot Water Experiment and the Pointless Wrangle over Steam Dryness

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Also, it appears the the results of the hot water test were. OK. There's no evidence this. Yes, there is evidence for this. It was published in NyTeknik and in the news section of LENR-CANR.org. You are not satisfied with this evidence. In your

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or steam cleaners. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-30 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Angela, I have asked Piantelli's opinion about these independent replications with negative results, Perhaps there were no adequate nanostructures on the surfaces of the Ni rods. The slogan: a patent can be reproduced by those skilled enough is many times a void formula. You cannot reproduce

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations.     Harry     From: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:57:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy

Re: [Vo]:Piantelli news

2011-07-30 Thread Michele Comitini
That is an article written for CICAP (kind of italian skeptics society) so it can be taken seriously. See : http://www.cicap.org/new/articolo.php?id=273588 Translation http://goo.gl/info/1mgr8# mic Il giorno 30/lug/2011 20:56, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com ha scritto: Angela Kemmler

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why it took a genius like Newton to

[Vo]:Brian Josephson question and invitation

2011-07-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Brian Josephson July 30th, 2011 at 4:17 AM October demo Andrea, You’ve said the 1MW E-cat due in October will be the real test, but in what way will it be more convincing than the ones done so far? Will it be done in such a way that people are sure about the amount of water/steam coming out

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins in EV world

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Daniel, the fact is the rotor speeds up (experiences angular acceleration) when it suppose to slow down. The evidence of anomolous acceleration is abundantly clear and experts acknowledge this. However it is shunned by many experts because they can't explain it in ordinary terms. They insist on

[Vo]:Thermal losses through insulator

2011-07-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Marcia Pires July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 AM Dear Andrea Rossi, How much heat of the reactor is absorbed by the water and how much is absorbed by the solid parts of the e-cat? Best wishes, Marcia Pires Andrea Rossi July 30th, 2011 at 11:52 AM Dear Marcia Pires: The reactor is very well

[Vo]:1MW re-worked !!!! Ampenergo contract?

2011-07-30 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi July 29th, 2011 at 4:59 PM Dear Lars: . The progression of my work, that as you know is focused on the manufacturing of the 1 MW plant, is very good and we are perfectly in time for the scheduled delivery in October. You bet. If some skeptic will tell you that for some reason

RE: [Vo]:1MW re-worked !!!! Ampenergo contract?

2011-07-30 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Alan: Quoting Rossi: July 29th, 2011 at 4:59 PM Dear Lars: . The progression of my work, that as you know is focused on the manufacturing of the 1 MW plant, is very good and we are perfectly in time for the scheduled delivery in October. You bet. If some skeptic

FW: Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread francis
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:20: Joshua Cude wrote [snip] Are you suggesting that because of the billions gambled on fusion research, that money should also be invested in perpetual motion claims? [/snip] Joshua, Perpetual motion and violation of COE arguments are fallacious arguments used by

Re: [Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

2011-07-30 Thread Nick Palmer
Frank and Mike. Don't get too excited. The article you linked to is heavily biased by the rhetoric of James Taylor from the libertarian/right wing think-tank lobby group, the Heartland Institute. In fact he goes so ridiculously over the top with his various uses of alarmist (count them!) that

[Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/NET370.shtml   Harry

Re: FW: Re: [Vo]:History of gigantic boondoggle

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:43 PM, francis froarty...@comcast.net wrote: On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:20: *Joshua Cude wrote* [snip] Are you suggesting that because of the billions gambled on fusion research, that money should also be invested in perpetual motion claims? [/snip] ** **

Re: [Vo]:Thermal losses through insulator

2011-07-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, according to this: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3709appendixa4.shtml We have 383W for the hose and 100W inside the hose. If the flux is 1.5g/s, we have 75*1.5*4.184 = 470.7W to heat the water up to boiling point. The total loss is around 950W. The alleged output is 4700W , so we

Re: [Vo]:Thane Heins in EV world

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
I met Thane in 2008 in the an undergraduate lab of the facaulty of engineering  University of Ottawa. He was granted the lab space by a generous electrical engineering professor. (The professor's and/or the University's generousity ran out in 2010). I and some members of the Ottawa Skeptic