Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread pagnucco
Good point, David I should have checked that first. Unless huge amounts of Ni63 are created, it would not be useful. Perhaps, the Ni65 is viable since its half-life is 2.5 hours. The webpage at - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel-68m2#Nickel-68m2 - references 63mNi and 65mNi. I cannot

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jojo Jaro's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:40:47 +0800: Hi, [snip] Have you come up with a way to produce these hydrinos cheaply (in terms of energy.)? It seems to me that the first step is to prove your theory with a relatively cheap Hydrino Generator. I guess once you are able to

Re: [Vo]:discussion about RELIABILITY in LENR

2012-06-06 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: Two questions: - Do we have solid evidence that there is a dynamic NAE rather than a static one? Or is the evidence just barely above noise at this point? - If there is no clear evidence yet, is there a clever experiment that could settle this question for at least one

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
On June 06, 2012 JOjo said It seems to me that the first step is to prove your theory with a relatively cheap Hydrino Generator. I disagree, based on Jan Naudts explanation of the hydrino you need a relativity cheap hydrino maker :_) Fran -Original Message- From: Jojo Jaro

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread pagnucco
63mNi and 65mNi are excited isomers of the two respective isotopes. See The NUBASE evaluation of nuclear and decay properties at: http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/amdc/nubase/Nubase2003.pdf Pages 6-9 describe isomer definitions. Pages 42-43 include excitation energies and half-lives for both of these

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
Robin, I would think the velocity of the proton of the same energy as compared to an electron would be the square root of 2000 or 45 times slower due to the velocity squared relationship. Now, if the proton slows down much faster than the electron then the deceleration would be a lot greater.

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: That is the main reason that I do not believe that the process you outline is valid. The WL theory looks like a free lunch to me. I think everyone wants a free lunch. Proton people want to lower the Coulomb barrier

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
I must not understand the hydrino concept very well Robin. I thought that the hydrinos formed by releasing energy into some other catalyst. Is this in error? Why do you mention a cost of 4000 eV per hydrino? How is that number derived? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Axil Axil
To get a idea about the speed of the proton, it might be possible to make a comparison with the speed of the neutron at various temperature. This might be OK because the proton and the neutron are about the same size and weight. The neutron is just a proton and an electron together…Right! 2000K

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 02:54:53 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] I must not understand the hydrino concept very well Robin. I thought that the hydrinos formed by releasing energy into some other catalyst. Is this in error? No, that's correct. In fact even in my

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Axil Axil
I wonder if this assumption is correct. In superconductivity, you get electrons to bind together by reducing the temperature of the material to very low temperatures; you remove energy. The cooper pair of electrons have less energy than their precursor quasiparticles. You might need to take

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: You might need to take energy away from the nucleus to lower its coulomb barrier. You make an excellent point. I misstated what I meant to say -- the proton people want to overcome Coulomb repulsion for free. I also

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 02:46:07 -0400 (EDT): Hi Dave, [snip] Robin, I would think the velocity of the proton of the same energy as compared to an electron would be the square root of 2000 or 45 times slower due to the velocity squared relationship. You are

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 03:20:33 -0400: Hi, [snip] I wonder if this assumption is correct. In superconductivity, you get electrons to bind together by reducing the temperature of the material to very low temperatures; you remove energy. The cooper pair of electrons

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 00:24:05 -0700: Hi, [snip] I also realize there's a third species of people -- Hydrino people. I'm sure they want something for free too. No, the Hydrino people want to give you some extra for the privilege. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Robin, let me see if I got this right. 1. Your machine (proposed machine) will take H2 (Hydrogen Molecule) and convert it to Hy2 (hydrino molecule.). Theoritically you can do this in copious amounts with an output of energy. 2. Then, you take the Hy2 molecule and split it into Hy+ and Hy+

PioneerOne was Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread Michele Comitini
Mars One will be second anyway. ;-) The whole story at: http://vodo.net/pioneerone Download for free the first 6 episodes, worth watching. If you enjoy contribute to cover production costs of next episodes. mic 2012/6/6 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Realities shows are successful

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Lynn
I'm sorry, but as an engineer if you imagine that you can build a fusion powered spacecraft with an exhaust velocity of 7.5e6m/s and 40MW of engine power per kg of spacecraft (from rocket equation with 20% fuel use in 2 days at 1g thrust), when nobody can yet build a viable self sustaining fusion

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread LORENHEYER
I say, why waste time going to Mars, when you can shoot for the stars! We need to set our goals and/or expectations higher or farther actually. While it would be a very cool thing to have some fellow Humans residing on Mars, it's getting there in a vastly improved capacity that will enable

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
I guess one could look at a neutron as being similar to a proton plus an electron but I am not sure that the exact analogy holds up under scrutiny. For one thing, when a neutron decays you get more out of it than the electron and proton. There is a pesky antineutrino and a substantial amount

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Robin, I did not realize that you were starting with the molecules. Now it adds up. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:09 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph

RE: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread Mike Carrell
The simple, and correct thing to do is *study*the current BLP website, particularly the 'technical presentation', the FAQ, etc. There is more than ample proof of the physical existence of the hydrino state listed. There is no point in trying to create a HE version of a hydrino, although such might

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
Of course, we all want to eat. Before the dust settles there may be even more species of people to feed. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:24 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and

RE: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread Mike Carrell
The basic problem that Mills has had is in producing an attractive COP in a commercial package. He probably has achieved this with CUHT as described on the current website. Robin appears to seek the fusion path with a H[1/127] pseudo-neutron. While Mills has reported spectroscopic evidence of

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Based on evidence, the neutron is believed to be comprised of positive core surrounded by a negative shell: http://www.terra.es/personal/gsardin/news13.htm However in recent years there is evidence which suggests the neutron is comprised of three layers: a central negative core which is

RE: [Vo]:Hydrinos and Kervran - the perfect Ni-H metaphor

2012-06-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Interesting to consider the possibility that bio-transmutation might contribute to thermo-regulation (maintaining a consistent body temperature); and what happens when one has a fever, how is that transmutation rate throttled up and down? Do cold-blooded animals lack this transmutation process???

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread David Roberson
Does anyone accept the quark model for the neutron? I find it hard to reconcile anything of that nature with a three layer model. I would think that by now with all of the super accelerators that this would be well defined. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder

Re: [Vo]:about Triumph Management (and LENR)

2012-06-06 Thread Harry Veeder
This experiment is designed to see if neutrons can decay without emitting neutrinos. http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13520 If neutrons can that would conflict with the standard model. harry On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:08 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone accept the

Re: [Vo]:Transit of Venus - Live Stream

2012-06-06 Thread Harry Veeder
I didn't think it would be enough, but a story on da web said it was a safe way to observe the transit. harry On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Robert robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: I used a pair of binoculars to project the image of the transit on to a dark surface. With a bit of

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 12:55:31 +0100: Hi, [snip] You don't understand the nature of technological breakthroughs do you. I'm sorry, but as an engineer if you imagine that you can build a fusion powered spacecraft with an exhaust velocity of 7.5e6m/s and 40MW of

[Vo]:Ray Bradbury died

2012-06-06 Thread Michele Comitini
http://www.salon.com/2012/06/06/ray_bradbury_american_optimist/singleton/

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jojo Jaro's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 15:46:06 +0800: Hi, [snip] Robin, let me see if I got this right. Sorry, no. 1. Your machine (proposed machine) will take H2 (Hydrogen Molecule) and convert it to Hy2 (hydrino molecule.). Theoritically you can do this in copious amounts

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Lynn
Sadly I do understand, I am just not blind to the implied engineering requirements. *40MW/kg !* The highest power to weight machines (outside of bombs) that humans have ever build were the space shuttle main engines, they did about 3MW/kg utilising a supply of LH2, the best possible coolant,

Re: [Vo]:Ray Bradbury died

2012-06-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.salon.com/2012/06/06/ray_bradbury_american_optimist/singleton/ There's an anecdote that Bradbury once bet L. Ron Hubbard that he could not create a religion that would be recognized by the IRS. If

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:49:45 +0100: Hi, [snip] That is a luxury you do not have with fusion in an ultra-high Isp engine. It is also a luxury you don't need. The trick is to perform the reaction in space itself. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk

RE: [Vo]:Ray Bradbury died

2012-06-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton There's an anecdote that Bradbury once bet L. Ron Hubbard that he could not create a religion that would be recognized by the IRS. If true, I'm sure that Ray is paying Ron off somewhere in that great somewhere. Stranger in a Strange Land was one

[Vo]:what's going on and on and on, from void to smudge to diamond...: Rich Murray 2012.06.06

2012-06-06 Thread Rich Murray
what's going on and on and on, from void to smudge to diamond...: Rich Murray 2012.06.06 Eternal Exponential Expansion of Science http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post1342135.html#p1342135 Thank you Chrisw, for your reasonable consideration. I often, as an informal hobby, note all the

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread Robert Lynn
Like Friedwart Winterberg's Supermarx concept? http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/12/micro-fusion-for-space-propulsion-and.html I really like the concept, but there is still no way that it can achieve the power to weight required to give 1g at 7.5e6m/s Isp. Heat loads and driver power requirements

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 22:49:45 +0100: Hi, [snip] Sadly I do understand, I am just not blind to the implied engineering requirements. *40MW/kg !* The highest power to weight machines (outside of bombs) that humans have ever build were the space shuttle main

Re: [Vo]:Mills Hyrdrino project (was :about Triumph Management (and LENR))

2012-06-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
I will study the BLP website and hydrino proof that you are alluding to, although my reading list is quite long at this time. I am concentrating my study on theoritical avenues that are more promising and my actual replication attempts. Axil's charge accumulation ideas are much more

Re: [Vo]:Ray Bradbury died

2012-06-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton There's an anecdote that Bradbury once bet L. Ron Hubbard that he could not create a religion that would be recognized by the IRS.  If true, I'm sure that Ray is paying Ron

[Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC

2012-06-06 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Have a read at this blogpost from nasawatch.com (it's not a NASA website although its name might suggest otherwise to some). While its owner has a generally quite negative stance against LENR/CF, his questions and their answers provided by Dennis Bushnell, LaRC Chief Scientist,

[Fwd: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Rossi update, The SSM (self sustained mode) is regulated by the control system based on a complex interaction between parameters. The longest period can be 2 hours, as an average the self sustained mode runs for the 50% of the total time. The ionizing electromagnetic emissions have no

Re: [Fwd: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi update, The SSM (self sustained mode) is regulated by the control system based on a complex interaction between parameters. The longest period can be 2 hours, as an average the

Re: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Is it just me or does it seem that the numbers don't add up? In SSM, COP should be infinite (or at least some ridiculously high number.) And if he is running SSM 50% of the time, his overall COP should be significantly higher than 6. The only way for him to get an overall COP of 6 is if his

Re: [Fwd: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Ah, Addressing five decades of debate, Stanford engineers determine how collective electron oscillations, called plasmons, behave in individual metal particles as small as just a few nanometers in diameter. This knowledge may open up new avenues in nanotechnology ranging from solar

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Dead bodies on Mt. Everest

2012-06-06 Thread Jed Rothwell
See ghoulish photos: http://www.buzzfeed.com/toddvanluling/dead-bodies-on-mount-everest It is amazing what people will do. This is an example of the extremes they will go to. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
From the lips of Rossi, I am very practical: I am not at all interested to theories of “gurus” who explain theories more or less TCL ( time-consuming-and-losing). I am exclusively interested to apparatuses able to work. In our field we are too much filled up with theorists who write

Re: [Fwd: [Vo]:Some clarifications by D.Bushnell on LENR funding @ LaRC]

2012-06-06 Thread Terry Blanton
PET theories, gotta luv 'em. T

Re: [Vo]:Mars One - Humans on Mars in 2023

2012-06-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Robert Lynn's message of Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:40:14 +0100: Hi, [snip] http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/12/micro-fusion-for-space-propulsion-and.html At least two differences. 1) There is no explosion, but rather a continuous burn. 2) There is only very minimal photon production (when

[Vo]:Spark Decomposition of hydrocarbons

2012-06-06 Thread Jojo Jaro
Hey Gang, I found a paper which seems to summarize the many methods for the efficient decomposition of Hydrocarbons to H2 and carbon and carbon nanotubes - all of which may be critical ingredients in the Flat Plate/Propane based systems that many have had success with.