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2020-03-09 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Folks, please, there is no need to post anonymous random anecdotal reports. It does nothing but spread unnecessary panic and is tantamount to shouting fire in a crowded theater. Everyone is aware of the risks of lack of surge capacity. Here is something a bit more informed and not so anecdotal

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2020-03-09 Thread H LV
As of today (March 9th 2020) there are 69 confirmed cases in Canada and one confirmed death from covid-19. There is only one confirmed case of transmission inside the country, so the rest are from people who have returned from travelling abroad. Harry On Mon., Mar. 9, 2020, 12:16 p.m. Frank

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2020-03-09 Thread Frank Znidarsic
I live in Johnstown PA a small sleepy isolated by mountains.  The first case of Corona virus with reported here yesterday.  There is no toilet paper at Walmart, why that rush I dont know. It appears to be everywhere within weeks.

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2020-03-09 Thread Jonathan Berry
Letter from Shanghai about Coronavirus WORLD NEWS DESK 02 MARCH 2020 HITS: 11138 -

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2020-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
I emailed Loeffler and Perdue and suggested to my Senators that there are less risky military bases in Georgia they can choose. On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 11:21 AM Terry Blanton wrote: > Presumably they are talking about the Dobbins/Lockheed complex. That's > nice. > > >

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2020-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Presumably they are talking about the Dobbins/Lockheed complex. That's nice. https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-us-infections-latest-news-updates-2020-03-08/ *California residents will be brought to facilities within the state, and non-residents will be taken

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2020-03-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Finally, a cure! https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uNfqT_1583510405 (actually, more of a preventive measure ... ensures social isolation) >

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2020-03-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:43 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > If you haven't had your fill here, there's lots of info on reddit > > https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/ > > > Stay away for your own mental health and sanity. It's just 24/7 news postings largely overwhelmed by anything that happens to

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2020-03-07 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
China had a lot of very very useful information that they could have shared early with other Nations so they could get better prepared - but didn't. In the US any can just click over and read the mmwr's from CDC or other western nations. Centralized governments by their very nature keep a very

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2020-03-06 Thread Terry Blanton
If you really want to be scared, read the book or watch the NatGeo series "The Hot Zone", a true story about an Ebola outbreak in Reston, VA. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 6:45 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > Vaccines generally excite the immune system to attack the virion's RNA. > The reason we don't have

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2020-03-06 Thread Terry Blanton
Vaccines generally excite the immune system to attack the virion's RNA. The reason we don't have a common cold vaccine is the spike protein is what allows the virus to attach to the cell walls. We don't have vaccines against the spike proteins as they are constantly changing. This is the nature

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2020-03-06 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Opportunistic bacterial is opportunistic bacteria.  There are two shots the  PCV13  and the PCV 26.  That's the number of strains that they protect against.  I got the the 13.  You can get them at the pharmacy, no doctor visit is required.  I got mine at Rightaid. Shots appear to limited and

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2020-03-06 Thread Bob Higgins
I have read that the pneumonia vaccine only protects against strep pneumonia and will not protect against pneumonia caused by the corona virus. On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:38 AM Frank Znidarsic wrote: > I went an got a phenomena shot Singrix >

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2020-03-06 Thread Frank Znidarsic
I went an got a phenomena shot Singrix (Zoster).  It should help a lot.  Thanks all. Frank

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2020-03-05 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Good news, finally! pretty low mortality rate in South Korea. Perhaps very aggressive testing is just the thing we need. Lots of drive through testing throughout the country would be great. Catch it early, make people aware of their status. Get them to self isolate. It's pretty noninvasive

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2020-03-05 Thread Jonathan Berry
Who thinks the US WANTS the Coronavirus (Covid19 just sounds clunky) to get bad? Though Jed has spoken well about the baffling ignorance politicians have with respect to science... Still, I have heard so many times about how the US makes faulty tests, isn't testing people, only a few states can

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2020-03-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:44:46 -0500: Hi, [snip] >$2.4T World GDP loss? Hah! The stockmarket lost $6T last week alone. BTW stock market losses don't really count, because there is a winner for every loser. The net impact is small. GDP losses OTOH imply a loss

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2020-03-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 5 Mar 2020 14:44:46 -0500: Hi, It will be much more than that. If no cure/vaccine is found then about 250 million will die World wide. (worst case). >$2.4T World GDP loss? Hah! The stockmarket lost $6T last week alone. >

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2020-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
$2.4T World GDP loss? Hah! The stockmarket lost $6T last week alone. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-selloff-impact-americans-3-charts-not-immediate-impact-2020-2-1028952948 On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Frank Znidarsic wrote: > >

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2020-03-05 Thread Frank Znidarsic
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-spreads-one-study-predicts-10155.html

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2020-03-03 Thread JonesBeene
From: Blaze Spinnaker ➢ Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining.   Not sure it's that great for sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical tests and and treatments. There is no doubt about that first part (quarantining is greatly facilitated) … except NOT the

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2020-03-03 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
--- From: Blaze Spinnaker<mailto:blazespinna...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/health/coronvirus-pati

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2020-03-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Video: "New York City doctor says he has to ‘plead to test people’ for coronavirus" https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-new-york-city-doctor-has-to-plead-to-test-people.html Lots of interesting technical comments in the video portion. This doctor thinks there are thousands of

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2020-03-03 Thread Terry Blanton
If you haven't had your fill here, there's lots of info on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/

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2020-03-02 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Interesting chatter about China and the reliability of their stats. https://twitter.com/yindavid/status/1234335403022442496 Rather speculative from the dailymail

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2020-03-01 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/01/health/coronvirus-patient-research-cdc/index.html Though, if our capitalist system works like this maybe we would be better off with communism. At the very least the CDC should issue a press release and say they are tabulating data and when the information will

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2020-02-29 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Communism/Fascism is great for quarantining. Not sure it's that great for sharing critical information broadly, coming up with vaccines, medical tests and and treatments. On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 6:52 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: > That was a superb presentation by Bruce Aylward. Jones: thanks for

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2020-02-29 Thread Terry Blanton
Effective virus control: https://i.imgur.com/PODhq9N.jpg

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2020-02-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
That was a superb presentation by Bruce Aylward. Jones: thanks for pointing it out. I must ruefully admit that Chinese communism does seem well suited for dealing with this. But, more than that, what Aylward emphasized is the scientific, rational, pragmatic, data-driven approach. That's as much

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2020-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: This is an incredible must-see video by an expert on the new virus- which > will change your entire understanding of the Chinese response to Covid. > Essentially they reversed an epidemic situation in a short time. > Maybe they did. That is still not 100% sure. Granted, they

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2020-02-28 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I don't think we yet know where the virus came from. Until that detail is nailed down, I think the jury is still out. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/where-did-new-coronavirus-come-past-outbreaks-provide-hints-n1144521 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 2:04 PM Jones Beene wrote: > This is

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2020-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
This is an incredible must-see video by an expert on the new virus- which will change your entire understanding of the Chinese response to Covid. Essentially they reversed an epidemic situation in a short time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o0q1XMRKYM No matter what you may say or think

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2020-02-28 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
^^ bill gates Apologies for spam. On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM Blaze Spinnaker wrote: > https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762 > > Right off the top. He's not pussyfooting, that's for sure: > > n any crisis, leaders have two equally important responsibilities: solve > the

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2020-02-28 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2003762 Right off the top. He's not pussyfooting, that's for sure: n any crisis, leaders have two equally important responsibilities: solve the immediate problem and keep it from happening again. The Covid-19 *pandemic *is a case in point. On Fri, Feb

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2020-02-28 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Yeah, that is so hilariously stupid. It's like the white house has become a Conspiracy Theory factory. "So, everyone, rather than scientists and experts speak about what they rationally know to be true, only totality unqualified and completely biased politicians are allowed to talk." Lol.

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2020-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is frightening news. The Trump administration is politicizing this, lying about it, and suppressing the truth the way the Chinese government did. Pence Will Control All Coronavirus Messaging From Health Officials https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html

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2020-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote: Jurg- > > > > How many cases in Switzerland—where? > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#europe

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2020-02-28 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
ect: Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory Just as a warning: Try to avoid having contact with people that did stay in Italy during the last 3 weeks. All cases in Switzerland, VAE, Austria, most of Germany, ... were spread from Italy with Milano as a hot spot. J.W. Am 27.02.20 um 14:58 sch

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2020-02-28 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Just as a warning: Try to avoid having contact with people that did stay in Italy during the last 3 weeks. All cases in Switzerland, VAE, Austria, most of Germany, ... were spread from Italy with Milano as a hot spot. J.W. Am 27.02.20 um 14:58 schrieb Terry Blanton: *All schools in Japan

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2020-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Blaze Spinnaker's message of Thu, 27 Feb 2020 15:37:26 -0800: Hi, [snip] https://stationfy.imgix.net/cm/5e5808bfe3daa3000772bb7c.jpg?w=570=fillmax This looks like only the outside of the bundle gets disinfected. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk local asymmetry = temporary success

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2020-02-27 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Can't imagine this bodes well either - https://www.kron4.com/health/coronavirus/solano-county-declares-emergency-following-possible-community-spread-case/ Community Spread case occurred in town where Travis Air Force Base where dozens of people infected in China or on cruise ships have been

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2020-02-27 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Two questions that are currently speculative and open that don't get much press (because they are speculative, I guess, and likely will cause undue alarm) - Is sars2 bi-phasic ('like anthrax') https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/diamond-princess-coronavirus-2/ If it is

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2020-02-27 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:58:45 -0500: Hi, >*All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak* > >https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/#.XlfJtmhKg2w > [snip] First they take a stringent measure, then

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2020-02-27 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: *All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak* > That is a very serious response. I am surprised they are going this far. Here is an article by a political scientist in Japan who is outraged by the Japanese government's response to the crisis:

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2020-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
*All schools in Japan told to close until April over virus outbreak* https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/27/national/hokkaido-coronavirus-school/#.XlfJtmhKg2w On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Here is some encouraging news. Look carefully at these graphs, especially

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2020-02-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is some encouraging news. Look carefully at these graphs, especially the last two: Serious and Critical Cases Outcome of Cases (Recovery or Death) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/ Note that the first graph, "Total Cases (worldwide)" can be changed to the

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2020-02-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Somewhat good news, from the N.Y. Times: A W.H.O. mission to China has said that the daily tally of new cases there peaked and then plateaued between Jan. 23 and Feb. 2, and has steadily declined since. Chinese officials reported 508 new cases and 71 deaths as of Monday, a slower pace than in

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2020-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-02-19-covid-19-coronavirus-found-to-contain-gain-of-function-for-efficient-spreading-human-population.html On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 6:09 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > https://youtu.be/F_TPjbu4FAE > > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >>

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2020-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
https://youtu.be/F_TPjbu4FAE On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 12:58 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > > https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200224/Coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-Chinas-highest-biosafety-lab-next-door-to-market.aspx > > > >> >>

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2020-02-24 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200224/Coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-Chinas-highest-biosafety-lab-next-door-to-market.aspx > >

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2020-02-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > It is possible that many flu deaths there could have been intentionally > labeled as the known types, in order to prevent public panic. > I doubt it. Anyway, full-scale public panic is underway, so if that happened, it did not work. Panic is fully justified, in this case.

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2020-02-23 Thread Terry Blanton
Interesting, but mortality rates for influenza alone are less than 0.1%. Iran reports 18.6% covid-19 mortality to date. https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-23-20-hnk-intl/index.html Again 8/43 is a small population but the consistency is frightning. On Sun, Feb 23, 2020

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2020-02-23 Thread Jones Beene
Here is something else which statistically needs to be considered to assess the reliability of the official Wuflu death toll. Namely - what is the extent of fatalities of the "normal" flu in China this year? And also, how many citizens are infected with both types simultaneously? It is

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2020-02-22 Thread Terry Blanton
Italy reported 5 deaths in 28 cases. Small population but it is close to the* rumored* Chinese death rate of 15.6%. I'm sure they actually have more cases uncounted yet. >

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2020-02-22 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
That's exactly what I tell/explain people since some weeks. If you charge underdogs with the crucial process of killing- cremation of animals, then they will not understand that the control group or an obviously not sickened animal cannot be eaten... If you advance 1 billion of people from

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2020-02-22 Thread Jones Beene
awkshully ... this looks like one of the Post's regular news stories instead of an opinion... ... but as you say, it is the Post, not the Times Yet even so, the reporting itself still could be mostly accurate. They quote local sources which are far more believable than the official Chinese

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2020-02-22 Thread Terry Blanton
An opinion piece from The NY Post (considering the source): https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/ but selling laboratory animals?! >

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2020-02-19 Thread Chris Zell
and it vanished in less than 3 days. From: Jones Beene Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory An effective and inexpensive treatment this virus is once again being promoted by the L Pauling crowd... this time, maybe more strongly

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2020-02-18 Thread Jonathan Berry
The fatality rate can increase x7 when there isn't healthcare. https://youtu.be/gojy7ChZ8h8?t=721 So 2% x 7 = 14% fatality! Now maybe the 2% figure is already increased by including Hubei, but the point is that the death rate is going to be a whole lot higher than many think if this gets bad

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2020-02-18 Thread Jones Beene
An effective and inexpensive treatment this virus is once again being promoted by the L Pauling crowd... this time, maybe more strongly than ever. These zealots may not be medically correct - as the evidence goes both ways and is heavily anecdotal - but make no mistake, the C industry is a

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2020-02-18 Thread Jonathan Berry
The other side of this is that the severe cases with treatment can often be prevented from turning into fatalities. But, when this wipes out the ability to get any medical help, the death rate is going to go a lot closer to the rate of severe cases. And that is a much much higher percentage than

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2020-02-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jürg Wyttenbach wrote: But mortality is 2,3% for confirmed severe cases only not for the > average infected ones. This, so far, looks like being well below > influenza. > I do not think so. I believe the 2.3% projection is for all cases, but I agree it is probably too high. Because uncounted

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2020-02-18 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
to current events!!! Bob Cook From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:42 PM To: vortex<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory U.S. Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) has generated a lot of negative flak fo

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2020-02-18 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Am 18.02.20 um 16:49 schrieb Jed Rothwell: "The virus. They are working hard. Looks like by April, you know in theory, when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away. Hope that's true! Rough stuff, I tell you. Rough, rough stuff." This scenario is totally fringe as on the cruise ship

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2020-02-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is the latest news about the coronavirus pandemic. The New York Times reports the mortality rate is now estimated at 2.3% by the Chinese CDC. That compares to the rate of 0.1 for ordinary influenza. The Times also reports that the Director of a hospital in Wuhan has died of the disease. That

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2020-02-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Some sanity returns: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/baseless-conspiracy-theories-claim-new-coronavirus-was-bioengineered/ > > >

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2020-02-15 Thread Jones Beene
Various informed sources, not simply the typical conspiracy theorists - seem to be suggesting that an effective cure or at least a remediation of symptoms - was known for some time - possibly months in advance. Time enough to produce a few million doses, maybe. Party members only need apply.

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2020-02-15 Thread Terry Blanton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJbK7IA6Bfw So, they are treating covid-19 with Aluvia. I wonder how they determined that would work, eh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lopinavir/ritonavir

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2020-02-14 Thread Jonathan Berry
I would note that the fatality rate is going to depend on the level of health care available! So if things become overrun, the lethality rate double r more easily. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 3:26 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> Those are quotes, not citations. > > > Quotes

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2020-02-14 Thread Jonathan Berry
COVID might be able to be caught more than once and be worse the second time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwJ5thwr4C8 Well that brings us the the practical methods of boosting the immune system. I used to get flu's lots, but now very very seldom every get anything and if I do it is more I

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2020-02-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > Those are quotes, not citations. > Quotes from Chinese doctors who are treating people with the flu. That's authoritative. > I was looking for a citation for your comment that "Most appear to be > okay now." I have seen quotes that the mortality rate is 15.6%. >

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2020-02-14 Thread Alain Sepeda
I've read other article that let hope less mortality, but it will be huge because we don't realize millions of people already die every year. The ratio of dead over contaminated may be less dramatic , event if the health care professional are well treated. 1- The reason is that people maybe be

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Those are quotes, not citations. I was looking for a citation for your comment that "Most appear to be okay now." I have seen quotes that the mortality rate is 15.6%. On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:57 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > > >> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jed

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2020-02-14 Thread mixent
In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Sat, 15 Feb 2020 10:31:40 +1300: Hi, [snip] >To have any idea about how the number of infected and dead compare to >the lethality of this Virus we need to know two things. >The mean time it takes someone to die from the virus after it is >recognized they

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2020-02-14 Thread Jonathan Berry
Oh, but there is one thing that might be more useful at estimating the danger this disease represents than any numbers out of China... And that is the fate of those infected outside of china, there is much less chance for hiding those results. But it could take some time before we have a clue

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2020-02-14 Thread Jonathan Berry
To have any idea about how the number of infected and dead compare to the lethality of this Virus we need to know two things. The mean time it takes someone to die from the virus after it is recognized they have it... And when most of those healthcare workers were first recognized to be infected.

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2020-02-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jed Rothwell > wrote: ...Most appear to be okay now. > > Citation? > Dr. Peng and other researchers wrote that 40 health care professionals at his hospital had been infected in January, a third of the cases included in a study

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 3:37 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: ...Most appear to be okay now. Citation?

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 1:07 PM Jones Beene wrote: > Info, some of it disturbing, but which looks authoritative - on the Wuhan > situation... which doc keeps getting removed from the web by very skilled > hackers. > > https://archive.is/QIBmE > So, Mr. Beene, if there is a Part I >

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2020-02-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: > The Chinese government reported that 1,700 health care workers have > contracted the virus, and 6 have died. That is a mortality rate of 0.4%. > > A mortality rate cannot be determined without the number that recover. We > don't know that yet. > Ah, but we probably do

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:48 AM Jed Rothwell wrote:...That's another 98,000 deaths, around 342,000 total. That would be one of the worst epidemics in U.S. history. "The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 11:48 AM Jed Rothwell wrote: The Chinese government reported that 1,700 health care workers have contracted the virus, and 6 have died. That is a mortality rate of 0.4%. A mortality rate cannot be determined without the number that recover. We don't know that yet.

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2020-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
Info, some of it disturbing, but which looks authoritative - on the Wuhan situation... which doc keeps getting removed from the web by very skilled hackers. https://archive.is/QIBmE  

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2020-02-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
The Chinese government reported that 1,700 health care workers have contracted the virus, and 6 have died. That is a mortality rate of 0.4%. It is about 4 times higher than ordinary flu. I think this is a reliable estimate because they probably keep close track of health care workers, and they

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2020-02-14 Thread Jones Beene
The Wiki article on this novel does not mention Wuhan-400. Has it been "sanitized"? The Eyes of Darkness | | | | | | | | | | | The Eyes of Darkness A mother sends her son on a camping trip with a leader who has led this trip into the mountains 16 times before ... | | |

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2020-02-14 Thread Terry Blanton
Reality imitates art: https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/article/3050481/virus-called-wuhan-400-makes-people-terribly-ill-dean-koontz " *The Eyes of Darkness*, a 1981 thriller by bestselling suspense author Dean Koontz, tells of a Chinese military lab that creates a virus as part of

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

2020-02-13 Thread Frank Znidarsic
Pittsburgh woman retruning from China reports that numbers are much higher.   https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/pittsburgh-woman-quarantined-after-returning-china-due-coronavirus-concerns/QAOJ4JQ3NVACPOTGOZYJVE4RSA/ I love the Chineese people.  They have suffered so much thorughout their

Re: [Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

2020-02-13 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 3:42 PM Jones Beene wrote: > > U.S. Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) has generated a lot of negative flak for promoting the idea that the WuFlu virus was a inadvertent release of a Chinese bioweapon. Could he know something that we do not? They did assign one of their top

[Vo]:More on the WuFlu conspiracy theory

2020-02-13 Thread Jones Beene
U.S. Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) has generated a lot of negative flak for promoting the idea that the WuFlu virus was a inadvertent release of a Chinese bioweapon. Could he know something that we do not? Doubt it... but Consider this paper on virus-engineering, published in a well-known