Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

>>>Just because I do not spoon-feed you examples of people who use the legal >>>system to steal and commit crimes, that does not mean they do not exist. Unfortunately the "people" that would say that a crime has been committed by the legal system would generally be the "people" that the

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

I think Jed and Jones are hopelessly deadlocked with A.A. and other Rossi fans. Neither side will yield or gain influence and it may be best to desist. Both sides cannot possibly understand each perspective. Changing the topic: I am close to completing a repetition of the 1996 Thermacore

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

a.ashfield wrote: > You are getting desperate if the Mafia is the only example you can come up > with. > There are plenty of other examples. You can do your own homework and find them. Just because I do not spoon-feed you examples of people who use the legal system to

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jed, You are getting desperate if the Mafia is the only example you can come up with. News to me that Rossi goes around threatening physical harm to IH personnel. As for Santilli, "It was then made clear to me (Film director John Jopson) that if the footage was exposed as a hoax before the

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

a.ashfield wrote: > I would have thought you could tell the difference between some one who > has set up a long running fraud and someone trying to take advantage of the > legal system who had no part in causing the problem. > > I asked you for one example of the former

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Perhaps someone could remind me of the terms of the GPT. I thought I remembered that the GPT had to achieve at least a COP>=4 for 250 days continuously. I don't think it required anything like the 1 MW output. Perhaps Rossi created the 1MW array of devices as a "reactor" to give himself the

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jones, I don't find it incredible that you believe any bad fake news you can find on Rossi. According to what I've read the waste was reclassified as toxic retroactively. In order to prove your point you need to show a photo copy of the final sentences and appeals, not the charges. I won't

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jed. I would have thought you could tell the difference between some one who has set up a long running fraud and someone trying to take advantage of the legal system who had no part in causing the problem. I asked you for one example of the former who has then taken the victim to court and

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Adrian, Incredibly, you state as fact that As for "Petroldragon," he was cleared of all charges. Doesn't that count? It might count, but he was NOT cleared. This is another Rossi deceit. How it stays online is incredible and indicative of blind followers who, like yourself, reinforce his

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jones, Of course truth is a defense against libel. Why act like this is kindergarten? The problem, as you well know, is whether the accusation you made WERE true. You have no proof of it and it is just malicious speculation "an ongoing scam" (There's no need of a trial as you KNOW the answer

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

a.ashfield wrote: Jed, > It is you who is missing my point. Show me one case where the fraudster > took his victim to court. > It happens all the time! Using the court system to commit fraud is a very common M.O. For example, people suit for fake damage claims, hoping

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Adrian, Why do I have to keep reminding you that in the USA, truth is a defense to libel? Do you simply not understand this, or do you not want to understand it because you adore Rossi to such a strange and unhealthy degree? As for "defamation of character" - Rossi has no favorable

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jones, Probably. Probably this and probably that. Never give any proof, just libelous speculation AA On 2/3/2017 12:31 PM, Jones Beene wrote: I would add this to what Giovanni has observed. Rossi probably sued first because not only was his failure to perform obvious to all insiders at

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

I would add this to what Giovanni has observed. Rossi probably sued first because not only was his failure to perform obvious to all insiders at IH, but moreover - he considered Industrial Heat to be his actual partner in an ongoing scam which "could have" dragged on for far longer (had they

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Giovanni, You seem to be one of those who can't resist trying to pull down anyone in the news. Rossi has never defrauded you. There is a lot of evidence that Rossi has in fact discovered something. See http://www.e-catworld.com/why-i-believe-in-the-e-cat/ The evidence from IH is all second

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

The courts are full of frivolous lawsuits and crazy claims of all types. People spin the truth or straight lie all the time in court proceedings from divorce to business cases. And it is well known that filing first gives you a psychological advantage. So Rossi could have simply anticipated he

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jed, It is you who is missing my point. Show me one case where the fraudster took his victim to court. That is the last thing a fraudster would want to do, to have all the facts come out IN COURT. AA . On 2/2/2017 8:32 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

a.ashfield wrote: I don't recall either of them taking their victims to court. > It was the other way around. > Your analysis is too narrow. You are missing the point. The point is, people such as Madoff and Rossi have enormous chutzpah, and they are reckless. They will

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

I don't recall either of them taking their victims to court. It was the other way around. AA On 2/2/2017 7:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: a.ashfield > wrote: At this point it strikes me that it is extraordinarily unlikely that a

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

a.ashfield wrote: > At this point it strikes me that it is extraordinarily unlikely that a > fraudster would take the supposed victim (IH) to court. > Your personal level of incredulity is not a valid metric. Look at famous scams such as Ponzi or Bernie Madoff. They

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Giovanni, This "valid customer" detail should come out during deposition. I suspect the IH Attorney will be relentless with tough questions, and for once, Rossi will be cautioned not to throw a tantrum and walk out. (he could do so nevertheless). The most unfortunate possibility of all -

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Not just a customer, but a valid, legit, independent customer, not a Rossi's agent. Giovanni On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > To cut to the chase ... Rossi's claim for supplying a massive amount of > steam to a customer in an adjoining space (which

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jones, I understand the legal system well enough. Like in England, the law is an ass (as stated by the Chief Justice.) What I said was that, relatively speaking, the customer is unimportant. What really matters is if there is a commercial LENR plant. I've read the supposed contract (I

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Adrian, Perhaps the problem is that you do not understand the US legal system, insofar as you maintain that it "doesn't matter" that Rossi may have committed fraud by inventing a fake customer and fake manufacturing plant to use the steam. Note - I am not saying he did or didn't invent

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Jones, contrary to what you wrote, I don't think it matters a damn whether the customer was real of not. IH failed to find a customer for a year and possibly Rossi decided just to find a suitable heat sink. What matters is how the 1 MW plant performed. Did it really produce 1 MW with a COP of

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

To cut to the chase ... Rossi's claim for supplying a massive amount of steam to a customer in an adjoining space (which no one from IH was allowed to visit) could be instantly validated if there was indeed a real customer using the steam. If there was no customer, and the steam was not

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Has there yet been published in the court documents, a schematic of Rossi's system showing the location of the pumps and flow gauge? On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Brian Ahern wrote: > Yesterday I corrected the Rossi calculations. I failed to note the water > was above

Re: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

Yesterday I corrected the Rossi calculations. I failed to note the water was above 100C with no pressure to keep it in the liquid phase. The metering device cannot function with a compressible fluid. It will always measure higher values than measuring it as a single liquid phase at the input.

RE: [Vo]:I calculated his power output from his own data. It is veryexciting and he may have something real that he is blundering with. Seebelow.

The enthalpy calculations of Ahern do not appear to account for the change of the phase of water to steam at about 100 C. This is about 540 calories per gram and should add to the heating of the liquid phase over about 30 C. This amounts to 540 /30 or about 1800% additional enthalpy—joules