Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-31 Thread Kevin O'Malley
How do we make it stronger?  Vibrate a Bose condensate.  In my language,
 The Constants of the Motion Tend Toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose
condensate that is Vibrated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz
meters.
***Frank, on another thread
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89493.html

I proposed a 1dimensional BEC.  I assumed that the BEC was vibrating.  If
your theory were condensed down to 1Dimensional physics, it could be
mathematically and experimentally elegant.




On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:07 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

 Thank you Fran.  Theories such as Storm's theory of cracks and Widdom
 Larson's theory are based on conventional thinking applied under an extreme
 condition.  These theories consider only the static Coulombic force and the
 static strong nuclear force.  Even mills with his exotic hydrions considers
 only the static forces.  As in the battle between Kann and Kirk;  Kirk
 defeated Kann by his three dimensional thinking.  There is another force at
 work in the nucleus.  They cannot account for the lack of high energy
 emissions.

  I am an electric engineer.  The only thing I have ever done with the
 static electric field is to rub a balloon on my head and stick to to the
 wall. I have, however, worked extensively with the dynamic magnetic
 component of the electrical field.  This is second nature for an electrical
 engineer.   There is a dynamic magnetic component of the nuclear force.
  Its called the spin orbit force.  Like the electro-magnetic force; it is
 not conserved and can increase without bound.  It tends to flip nucleons
 and induce a beta decay.  How do we make it stronger?  Vibrate a Bose
 condensate.  In my language,  The Constants of the Motion Tend Toward the
 Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is Vibrated at a Dimensional
 Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters.

  The motion constants are related to motion.  Motion is carried by the
 magnetic components of the static force fields.  Why that speed?  When the
 velocity of nuclear cluster equals the velocity of sound in the nucleus and
 impedance matched condition emerges.  This is the condition of the quantum
 jump.  The quantum condition of the atom emerged from an analysis of this
 speed. An extrapolation produced low level nuclear reactions.  I believe
 that is a big story and that it goes way beyond cold fusion.  It has
 produced the quantum condition as a subset of the Newtonian mechanics and
 it shows how to classically control all of the natural forces.

  The solutions are simple and require only the simple harmonic motion of
 advanced high school physics.

  Frank


 Frank Znidarsic


 -Original Message-
 From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 12:17 pm
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

   Frank..

  Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of 
 antigravity and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip]



 I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the
 back of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the
 claims of Eugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the
 environmental lab at work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk
 magnetic eraser to tickle the effect out of my very amateur experiment..  I
 think the effect in LENR will require motion to detect the gravitational
 effect but once a compact mobile method of LENR becomes available it will
 soon be discovered there are also anomalous inertial effects involved...like
 we see radioactive decay rate anomalies it is a temporal effect,  presently
 these reactors are large and stationary but I predict a portable reactor
 placed running on one side of a balance beam will significantly slow down
 the reaction to changes in weight on the opposite arm of the balance as
 opposed to changes in weight when the reactor is turned off. The gas
 becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry and it will present
 additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of the bulk powder or
 catalyst. IMHO  this opposition will be 90 degrees from any spatial vector
 and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a spatial
 bias. Fran





 *From:* fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.comfznidar...@aol.com?]

 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation
 for LENR



 Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion

 theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
 1,094,000

 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear

 Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago.









 What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound 
 in the nucleus.





 What happens when you set

RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread Jones Beene
 

 

From: Ron Kita 

 

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  posts but 

I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on  Dennis Bushnell

citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed to initate the

LENR reaction:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a
-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane

 

 

Hi Ron,

 

Thanks for posting this. It confirms what we have been talking about in
related threads about the connection between intense THz and the SPP as the
active modality.

 

In the HotCat - it appears that Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of
how to get coherent radiation in this spectrum (where lasers are simply not
available) by using a monochromatic emitter of FIR (far infrared), and then
merely applying resistance heat to that emitter. Once the emitter comes up
to temperature, the energy needed to maintain it drops by a large factor -
thus providing control. That temperature is near the runaway temp- so added
control is needed.

 

Maybe I am giving Rossi more credit than he is due.



Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread fznidarsic

a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz



Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 




http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 
 

From:Ron Kita 


 

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  postsbut 

I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell

citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the

LENR reaction:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane

 

 
Hi Ron,
 
Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related 
threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active 
modality.
 
In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to 
get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) 
by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying 
resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the 
energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. 
That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed.
 
Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.






Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread fznidarsic




Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 






What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound in 
the nucleus.



What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
electronic structure.


Your get:


The energy levels of all of the atoms.
The intensity of spectral emission.
The enegy and the frequency of the photon
The S,P,D, and F orbits.
A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.
The deBroglie wave.


extrapolate and get:


The technology of antigravity
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.






Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity






Frank Znidarsic








-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz



Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 




http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 
 

From:Ron Kita 


 

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  postsbut 

I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on Dennis Bushnell

citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed toinitate the

LENR reaction:

 

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane

 

 
Hi Ron,
 
Thanks for posting this.It confirms what we have been talking about in related 
threads about theconnection between intense THz and the SPP as the active 
modality.
 
In the HotCat – it appearsthat Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how to 
get coherent radiation inthis spectrum (where lasers are simply not available) 
by using a monochromaticemitter of FIR (far infrared), and then merely applying 
resistance heat to thatemitter. Once the emitter comes up to temperature, the 
energy needed to maintainit drops by a large factor – thus providing control. 
That temperature isnear the runaway temp- so added control is needed.
 
Maybe I am giving Rossimore credit than he is due.








Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Frank..

 Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of antigravity 
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip]



I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the back 
of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the claims of 
Eugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the environmental lab at 
work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk magnetic eraser to tickle 
the effect out of my very amateur experiment..  I think the effect in LENR will 
require motion to detect the gravitational effect but once a compact mobile 
method of LENR becomes available it will soon be discovered there are also 
anomalous inertial effects involved…like we see radioactive decay rate 
anomalies it is a temporal effect,  presently these reactors are large and 
stationary but I predict a portable reactor placed running on one side of a 
balance beam will significantly slow down the reaction to changes in weight on 
the opposite arm of the balance as opposed to changes in weight when the 
reactor is turned off. The gas becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry 
and it will present additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of 
the bulk powder or catalyst. IMHO  this opposition will be 90 degrees from any 
spatial vector and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a 
spatial bias.
Fran




From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion

theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
1,094,000

meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear

Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago.









What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound in 
the nucleus.





What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
electronic structure.



Your get:



The energy levels of all of the atoms.

The intensity of spectral emission.

The enegy and the frequency of the photon

The S,P,D, and F orbits.

A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.

The deBroglie wave.



extrapolate and get:



The technology of antigravity

and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.







Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity







Frank Znidarsic







-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.commailto:fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz

Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity 1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago.


http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504

Frank Znidarsic

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.netmailto:jone...@pacbell.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR


From: Ron Kita

I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  posts but
I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on  Dennis Bushnell
citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed to initate the
LENR reaction:

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane


Hi Ron,

Thanks for posting this. It confirms what we have been talking about in related 
threads about the connection between intense THz and the SPP as the active 
modality.

In the HotCat – it appears that Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of how 
to get coherent radiation in this spectrum (where lasers are simply not 
available) by using a monochromatic emitter of FIR (far infrared), and then 
merely applying resistance heat to that emitter. Once the emitter comes up to 
temperature, the energy needed to maintain it drops by a large factor – thus 
providing control. That temperature is near the runaway temp- so added control 
is needed.

Maybe I am giving Rossi more credit than he is due.


Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread Axil Axil
Terahertz stimulation is the photon frequency that produces the lowest
resistive loss in plasmonic energy concentration using metal nanoparticles.


On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Roarty, Francis X 
francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:

  Frank..

  Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of 
 antigravity and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip]



 I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the
 back of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the
 claims of Eugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the
 environmental lab at work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk
 magnetic eraser to tickle the effect out of my very amateur experiment..  I
 think the effect in LENR will require motion to detect the gravitational
 effect but once a compact mobile method of LENR becomes available it will
 soon be discovered there are also anomalous inertial effects involved...like
 we see radioactive decay rate anomalies it is a temporal effect,  presently
 these reactors are large and stationary but I predict a portable reactor
 placed running on one side of a balance beam will significantly slow down
 the reaction to changes in weight on the opposite arm of the balance as
 opposed to changes in weight when the reactor is turned off. The gas
 becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry and it will present
 additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of the bulk powder or
 catalyst. IMHO  this opposition will be 90 degrees from any spatial vector
 and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a spatial
 bias.  Fran







 *From:* fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation
 for LENR





 Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion

 theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
 1,094,000

 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear

 Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago.









 What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound 
 in the nucleus.





 What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
 electronic structure.



  Your get:



  The energy levels of all of the atoms.

 The intensity of spectral emission.

 The enegy and the frequency of the photon

 The S,P,D, and F orbits.

 A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.

 The deBroglie wave.



  extrapolate and get:



  The technology of antigravity

 and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.







  Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity







  Frank Znidarsic









 -Original Message-
 From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

 a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz



 Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the
 Motion theory told of this in 1998,  Now add the size and get the velocity
 1,094,000 meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of
 the American Nuclear Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago.





 http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/787504



 Frank Znidarsic

  -Original Message-
 From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 10:44 am
 Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR





 *From:* Ron Kita



 I can only read about 5% of Vortex LENR  posts but

 I saw this Feb 2013 website with a quote on  Dennis Bushnell

 citing that a rf stimulation of 5-30 THz is needed to initate the

 LENR reaction:




 http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/149090-nasas-cold-fusion-tech-could-put-a-nuclear-reactor-in-every-home-car-and-plane





 Hi Ron,



 Thanks for posting this. It confirms what we have been talking about in
 related threads about the connection between intense THz and the SPP as the
 active modality.



 In the HotCat - it appears that Rossi has elegantly solved the problem of
 how to get coherent radiation in this spectrum (where lasers are simply not
 available) by using a monochromatic emitter of FIR (far infrared), and then
 merely applying resistance heat to that emitter. Once the emitter comes up
 to temperature, the energy needed to maintain it drops by a large factor -
 thus providing control. That temperature is near the runaway temp- so added
 control is needed.



 Maybe I am giving Rossi more credit than he is due.



Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Fran.  Theories such as Storm's theory of cracks and Widdom Larson's 
theory are based on conventional thinking applied under an extreme condition.  
These theories consider only the static Coulombic force and the static strong 
nuclear force.  Even mills with his exotic hydrions considers only the static 
forces.  As in the battle between Kann and Kirk;  Kirk defeated Kann by his 
three dimensional thinking.  There is another force at work in the nucleus.  
They cannot account for the lack of high energy emissions.


I am an electric engineer.  The only thing I have ever done with the static 
electric field is to rub a balloon on my head and stick to to the wall. I have, 
however, worked extensively with the dynamic magnetic component of the 
electrical field.  This is second nature for an electrical engineer.   There is 
a dynamic magnetic component of the nuclear force.  Its called the spin orbit 
force.  Like the electro-magnetic force; it is not conserved and can increase 
without bound.  It tends to flip nucleons and induce a beta decay.  How do we 
make it stronger?  Vibrate a Bose condensate.  In my language,  The Constants 
of the Motion Tend Toward the Electromagnetic in a Bose condensate that is 
Vibrated at a Dimensional Frequency of 1.094 megahertz meters.


The motion constants are related to motion.  Motion is carried by the magnetic 
components of the static force fields.  Why that speed?  When the velocity of 
nuclear cluster equals the velocity of sound in the nucleus and impedance 
matched condition emerges.  This is the condition of the quantum jump.  The 
quantum condition of the atom emerged from an analysis of this speed. An 
extrapolation produced low level nuclear reactions.  I believe that is a big 
story and that it goes way beyond cold fusion.  It has produced the quantum 
condition as a subset of the Newtonian mechanics and it shows how to 
classically control all of the natural forces.


The solutions are simple and require only the simple harmonic motion of 
advanced high school physics.


Frank



Frank Znidarsic



-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



Frank..
 Re your extrapolation [snip] extrapolate and get:The technology of antigravity 
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions. [/snip] 
 
I not only agree but I think it is antigravity that will finally break the back 
of skepticism regarding LENR.. Like you I followed with interest the claims 
ofEugene Podkletnov and played with meisner effect in the environmental lab at 
work trying to use some liquid nitrogen and a bulk magnetic eraser to tickle 
the effect out of my very amateur experiment..  I think the effect in LENR will 
require motion to detect the gravitational effect but once a compact mobile 
method of LENR becomes available it will soon be discovered there are also 
anomalous inertial effects involved…like we see radioactive decay rate 
anomalies it is a temporal effect,  presently these reactors are large and 
stationary but I predict a portable reactor placed running on one side of a 
balance beam will significantly slow down the reaction to changes in weight on 
the opposite arm of the balance as opposed to changes in weight when the 
reactor is turned off. The gas becomes relativistic due to the casimir geometry 
and it will present additional opposition beyond 3d to the normal inertia of 
the bulk powder or catalyst. IMHO  this opposition will be 90 degrees from any 
spatial vector and simply slow the normal inertia like a flywheel but without a 
spatial bias.
Fran
 
 
 
From: fznidar...@aol.com [mailto:fznidar...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:29 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR
 


 

Forget about the cracks, hydrinos, and the like.  My Constants of the Motion 
theory told of this in 1998,  Now factor in the size and get the velocity 
1,094,000 
meters per second. I presented the theory at a meeting of the American Nuclear 
Society in 2000.  That's a long time ago. 



 



 
What is the velocity 1,094,000 meters per second?  Its the velocity of sound in 
the nucleus.



 
What happens when you set this velocity = the velocity of light in the 
electronic structure.



Your get:



The energy levels of all of the atoms.
The intensity of spectral emission.
The enegy and the frequency of the photon
The S,P,D, and F orbits.
A possible unification of quantum physics and Spec Rel.
The deBroglie wave.



extrapolate and get:



The technology of antigravity
and the technology of low energy nuclear reactions.









Its all in my very cheep paperback,Energy, Cold Fusion, and Antigravity









Frank Znidarsic






 
 

-Original Message-
From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue

RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread Chris Zell
 What where did this emergent inductance come from?  More magnetism that came 
from nothing.  I was upset, this would make the test harder.  Magnetism is not 
a conserved force.  Somethings it springs out of nowhere.  This is a general 
property of all of the magnetic force s.

The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially 
published papers?







Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread fznidarsic
I don't know if anyone is now interested in this.  Its old stuff.  If you watch 
Walter Lewin at MIT Academic Earth 
he says often the the magnetic force is non-conservative.


Energy and momentum are conserved in equations.  No one ever wrote an equation 
that conserves magnetic flux.  This just goes without saying.  I, however,  say 
it loudly in my published works.  The only things that are not conserved are 
inertial mass and magnetic flux.  They are related as magnetic fields carries 
the inertial mass of moving stuff.


Electrical engineers employ soft iron to increase the magnetic force. Soft iron 
increase the flux produced by a coil by a factor of about 10,000. I found the 
soft iron equivalent for the other forces.  Its a vibrating Bose condensate.


Frank







-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR



 What where did this emergent inductance come from?  More magnetism that came 
from nothing.  I was upset, this would make the test harder.  Magnetism is not 
a conserved force.  Somethings it springs out of nowhere.  This is a general 
property of all of the magnetic force s.   
 
The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially 
published papers?   




















Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread MarkI-Zeropoint


No one ever wrote an equation that conserves magnetic flux.

In order to determine if something is conserved when it can be 
transformed into different forms, you HAVE to be able to MEASURE how 
much of EACH different form is present...


It only APPEARS as if mag-flux is not conserved...

The mag-field is the physical manifestation of a polarization of the 
vacuum (ZPF or Zero Point Field), and we have no way to measure the 
local amount of vacuum, so you can't tell whether its conserved or not.


-mark

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:58 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:

 I don't know if anyone is now interested in this.  Its old stuff.  If 
you watch Walter Lewin at MIT Academic Earth  he says often the the 
magnetic force is non-conservative.


Energy and momentum are conserved in equations.  No one ever wrote an 
equation that conserves magnetic flux.  This just goes without saying. 
I, however,  say it loudly in my published works.  The only things that 
are not conserved are inertial mass and magnetic flux.  They are related 
as magnetic fields carries the inertial mass of moving stuff.


Electrical engineers employ soft iron to increase the magnetic force. 
Soft iron increase the flux produced by a coil by a factor of about 
10,000. I found the soft iron equivalent for the other forces.  Its a 
vibrating Bose condensate.


Frank



-Original Message-
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:30 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

 What where did this emergent inductance come from?  More magnetism 
that came from nothing.  I was upset, this would make the test harder. 
Magnetism is not a conserved force.  Somethings  it springs out of 
nowhere.  This is a general property of all of the magnetic force  s.


The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially 
published papers?





Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR

2014-01-28 Thread David Roberson

I consider a magnetic field the consequence of a time changing electric field.  
The electromagnetic effects that we experience depend upon which observation 
frame we happen to occupy.  This is demonstrated by considering how a charged 
particle appears to a stationary or moving observer at some distant point in 3 
dimensional space.  One sees nothing but an electric field, the other records a 
combination of magnetic and electric fields.  Both are valid measurements.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: MarkI-Zeropoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 7:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR


No one ever wrote an equation that conserves magnetic flux.


In order to determine if something is conserved when it can be transformed into 
different forms, you HAVE to be able to MEASURE how much of EACH different form 
is present...


It only APPEARS as if mag-flux is not conserved...


The mag-field is the physical manifestation of a polarization of the vacuum 
(ZPF or Zero Point Field), and we have no way to measure the local amount of 
vacuum, so you can't tell whether its conserved or not.


-mark 



On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:58 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote:


 I don't know if anyone is now interested in this.  Its old stuff.  If you 
watch Walter Lewin at MIT Academic Earth  he says often the the magnetic force 
is non-conservative. 


Energy and momentum are conserved in equations.  No one ever wrote an equation 
that conserves magnetic flux.  This just goes without saying.  I, however,  say 
it loudly in my published works.  The only things that are not conserved are 
inertial mass and magnetic flux.  They are related as magnetic fields carries 
the inertial mass of moving stuff. 



Electrical engineers employ soft iron to increase the magnetic force. Soft iron 
increase the flux produced by a coil by a factor of about 10,000. I found the 
soft iron equivalent for the other forces.  Its a vibrating Bose condensate. 



Frank 






-Original Message- 
From: Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com 
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2014 3:30 pm 
Subject: RE: [Vo]:NASA Bushnell quote on 5-30 THz stimulation for LENR 


 What where did this emergent inductance come from?  More magnetism that came 
from nothing.  I was upset, this would make the test harder.  Magnetism is not 
a conserved force.  Somethings  it springs out of nowhere.  This is a general 
property of all of the magnetic force  s.  
  
The above interests me but are there any specifics on this, especially 
published papers?