Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Craig
Excellent news! Rossi's technology is spreading on his terms, with his contracts, apparently without a US or European patent. Craig On 07/09/2013 01:31 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: Andrea Rossi July 8th, 2013 at 10:25 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=810cpage=2#comment-734612

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire enterprise. I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing things like well, the timeline is up to my partner CEO.I'm not sure what my partner CEO is

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or positive). On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 10:59 AM, blaze spinnaker

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Or, conversely, he's setting it all up for someone else to be responsible for this massive fraud as he tries to detach himself from the entire enterprise. Do you know of any evidence for this? Or are you merely speculating? I wouldn't be

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, obviously I do not know which. However, until the eCat is fully in the public eye I don't think anyone can authoritatively say either way, and I think it's a bit irresponsible trying to do so (negative or positive). My point

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
Rossi has a history of less than forthright dealings. Given his past and the secretive approach he's taken, it's not hard to conclude that something fishy might be going on. Personally, I think he'd probably be able to get patents much easier if he disclosed everything. He may find that his

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
You are beating a dead horse. I get sick of it. No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear, decisive proof that the eCat is real. You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly upsetting

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: But I find it disagreeable, because I have been hearing over and over and OVER for 20 years about every cold fusion scientist is a fraud. I get sick of it. You are beating a dead horse. We know you think that. We don't

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
Come on Kevin, you know how this works. In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from co-author) we need to update our priors. The universe is not static. What's interesting really is not whether or not the eCat is real, but rather getting an accurate estimate of the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: No, what you are sick of is the cognitive dissonance. The lack of clear, decisive proof that the eCat is real. You are unable to embrace the ambiguity and feel that the world must be black or white. The fact that it isn't is clearly

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:09 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Come on Kevin, you know how this works. In the face of new evidence (Pekka Patent, full throated defense from co-author) we need to update our priors. ***The Pekka patent has nothing to do with Rossi. And a

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of the eCat being true.You need go to from the middle of the spread. Also, you're doing a somewhat linear analysis based on 2 data points. I could already be on an asymptote. I don't think the Pekka patent is

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: My odds have changed from around 0% (before the report) to ~5% to ~17% of the eCat being true. ***Nonsense statement. 0% would represent astronomically high odds of a thousand or million to one. You need go

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
ok.Btw, how'd that bet on Romney winning in '12 work out for you? (speaking of track records) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: My odds have changed from

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Never underestimate the value of track records. Bayesian probabilities rely upon this. The specific problem with Rossi is that, from a bayesian point of view, it seemed improbable that he had created anything useful. Rossi made millions of

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Now you're just trying to change the subject. If ya wanna talk politics, click on that link I gave you. Vortex is for science subjects. (speaking of track records) ***Now, it appears yours is one of strong backtracking, here on Vortex. The End of *Snide Remarks* Against *Cold Fusion* - Free

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
These arguments are based on the notion that a wire capable of conducting enough electricity to melt steel and ceramic is so thin you can't see it. That is nonsense. Even a wire capable of conducting the electricity measured in the second and third tests would be readily visible to anyone. -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread blaze spinnaker
Well, I am discussing probabilities and the ability to estimate them. Perhaps we could take this off list though. Maybe not everyone finds it as fascinating as you and I :) Honestly, I'm not the enemy here btw. I'm a big believer in LENR. I just think the probability of Rossi doing something

Re: [Vo]:Rossi says -- 1st ecat untouched by him

2013-07-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Another powerful thing that's been demonstrated is just how on target Vortex is.You have benefited. Vortex is everything to everyone. Benefitting from the threads here is like having someone read tea leaves. There