From Catania,
...
As I've said before I think thermal inertia neatly explains it all.
I don't know of anyone who was not disappointed in the abrupt ending of the
experiment, after input power had been turned off. Yeah, yeah, I know, they
tell us it was late in the evening and they needed their
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The September E-Cat
From Catania,
...
As I've said before I think thermal inertia neatly explains it all.
I don't know of anyone who was not disappointed in the abrupt ending of
the
experiment, after input power had been turned off. Yeah, yeah, I know,
they
tell us
Am 18.09.2011 17:25, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson:
From Catania,
...
As I've said before I think thermal inertia neatly explains it all.
I don't know of anyone who was not disappointed in the abrupt ending of the
experiment, after input power had been turned off. Yeah, yeah,
From Catania:
...
The write-up that Lewan gives shoes his lack of general physics
knowledge and that he is most likely a paid biased spokesperson.
That is your speculation. However, since you seem convinced of such
speculation, how do you plan on going about convincing... let me rephrase
Am 18.09.2011 19:03, schrieb OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson:
From Peter: ...
Also it shows us, the experiment still cannot run unattended.
As far as speculation goes, I find myself in sympathy with such speculation.
What I find interesting about such speculation is that it suggests to me
Am 18.09.2011 19:26, schrieb Peter Heckert:
Yes, Rossi repeatedly said selfsustained mode is unstable it can runaway.
Therefore now he runs it selfsustained only for 50% of time now.
Thats what he says. He must have done experiments for this.
He has Labview on his computer.
So I would think he
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat
On Sep 15, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
[snip]
As metal content of the E-Cat is at the same temperature as water
content,
This is an assumption with no (apparent) foundation. All 80 kg of E-
at will not be at the water temperature. If the new E
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/9/15 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
The claims made for months that all the water was being converted
to steam
has been utterly crushed!
Krivit was clearly right on his seven points.
True, but his seven points had nothing
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted to
steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking something
practical has been created, the basis for the calorimetry of the public
demos, is now shown to be
-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The September E-Cat
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted to
steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking something
You can lead a mule to a barrel full of hot water from an Ecat,
but you can't make him think...
Well, actually, having just ragged the Pros here, I owe them an
apology, as they offer politely and clearly expressed views in this
forthright, fair debate in dialogue with the convincing comments of
At 08:25 AM 9/15/2011, Joe Catania wrote:
There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored
in the E-Cat.
Rossi said the reactor volume is 30L -- but this includes space for water
and for steam.
Taking the time from when the pump was started to when overflow started
-- 1.77 hrs x The
On 11-09-15 10:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted
to steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking
something practical has been
Sorry -- I'm afraid I crossed over the line in my previous post into
sneering.
The truth is I feel kind of bitter about this whole thing.
Ever since I put together what I knew about the early results with the
statements made by Rossi, Levi, and Galantini it's been obvious to me
that
WTH?!?!
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/15/collected-comments-on-sept-7-afternoon-rossi-test/
Krivit posted an Horace's post without the context, that is, Jouni's post
and answer to that! It looks like Krivit is trying to smear someone he
disagrees with an aggression! That's unethical!
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
And we know the probe came out dry because Galantini said so. Right?
Yes, of course. It is very easy for a person to observe that a probe is wet
or dry. A small child could do this.
Galantini, the man who claimed to have tested the steam and
At 10:45 AM 9/15/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
WTH?!?!
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/15/collected-comments-on-sept-7-afternoon-rossi-test/
Krivit posted an Horace's post without the context, that is, Jouni's post
and answer to that! It looks like Krivit is trying to smear someone he
On 11-09-15 01:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I would get testy if people addressed me the way they have addressed
him. Also, if I were Levi I would have tossed Krivit...
I wasn't talking about the Krivit interview, which I
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored in the E-Cat.
Rossi said the reactor volume is 30L -- but this includes space for water
and for steam.
I asked Lewan about this. He said: The volume of the cell was at least 22.5
liters, as shown
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
**
Sorry -- I'm afraid I crossed over the line in my previous post into
sneering.
The truth is I feel kind of bitter about this whole thing.
Don't fret about it. Forget it.
Ever since I put together what I knew about the early results with the
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I would get testy if people addressed me the way they have addressed him.
Also, if I were Levi I would have tossed Krivit...
I wasn't talking about the Krivit interview, which I haven't read. I was
thinking in particular of a response from
On 11-09-15 02:15 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Sorry -- I'm afraid I crossed over the line in my previous post
into sneering.
The truth is I feel kind of bitter about this whole thing.
Don't fret about it. Forget it.
On 11-09-15 02:23 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
I would get testy if people addressed me the way they have
addressed him. Also, if I were Levi I would have tossed Krivit...
I wasn't talking about the Krivit
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
But my opinion is the only one I've got, so naturally, I believe it.
You have no choice. Belief is not voluntary. A person cannot persuade
himself that 2+2 does not equal 4. That is the problem with some arguments
in favor of religion such as Pascal's
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
My concern is actually rather different.
My concern is that I suspect he knows perfectly well what the flaws were in
his analysis, and realizes that the steam wasn't dry.
And that, in turn, leads me to question any testimony from Galantini.
You
Am 15.09.2011 21:02, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
My concern is actually rather different.
My concern is that I suspect he knows perfectly well what the
flaws were in his analysis, and realizes that the steam wasn't dry.
On 11-09-15 03:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote:
My concern is actually rather different.
My concern is that I suspect he knows perfectly well what the
flaws were in his analysis, and realizes that the steam wasn't dry.
Joe Catania wrote:
There would appear to be from 17 to 20L of water stored in the E-Cat.
It takes ~5MJ to heat 17L of water from 30C to 100C. So it would
appear that there are 25MJ stored elsewhere at this point.
Stored somewhere, you say. Where? The metal? There are 80 kg of metal,
mainly
On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:
More importantly, the claim that all the water was being converted
to steam, the repeated, defended, and heralded basis for thinking
something practical has been created, the basis for the
Am 15.09.2011 21:31, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
If as you say the heat does not balance no doubt that is because the
machine radiates a great deal and this is not accounted for. The
machine is insulated but no insulation is perfect.
The insulation is more perfect than this insulation that I have
Horace Heffner wrote:
As I showed numerically, it was not reasonable that no water was
ejected in the prior demonstration tests unless the tests were run at
precisely the right input power (from electric plus LENR) at all times
to just boil all the water yet not raise the steam temperature.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
But my opinion is the only one I've got, so naturally, I believe it.
You have no choice. Belief is not voluntary. A person cannot
persuade himself that 2+2 does not equal 4. That is the problem
2011/9/15 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
This would have been far superior to doing nothing. Better to insulate the
barrel. Also, better to run the output through a heat exchanger first and
do flow calorimetry on the cooling water, and isoperibolic calorimetry on
the cooling water
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Horace Heffner wrote:
As I showed numerically, it was not reasonable that no water was
ejected in the prior demonstration tests unless the tests were run
at precisely the right input power (from electric plus LENR) at
all times to just
I must say that there is significant amount of metallic thermal
inertia, what is perhaps mostly in the thick metal boiler that can
withstand the steam pressures of several megapascals. 25 kg water
contains the most of the thermal mass, but in both respect this type
of E-Cat is different to others
Horace Heffner wrote:
This would have been far superior to doing nothing. Better to insulate
the barrel.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
That is not necessary. Just use a lot of water and keep the test limited
to around 5 min. As long as the overall water temperature
On Sep 15, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
[snip]
As metal content of the E-Cat is at the same temperature as water
content,
This is an assumption with no (apparent) foundation. All 80 kg of E-
at will not be at the water temperature. If the new E-cat is heated
by a band heater,
2011/9/16 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
But as
I have previously estimated that 60-80% of inlet water was needed to
vaporize in the temperatures above 123 to explain over 100 kPa steam
pressure, therefore proper estimation for required excess energy
during 35 minutes self-sustaining
The following post seems to be utterly out of touch with reality, a
total fantasy. It is shocking to read. I don't know whether to
respond or not.
The claims made for months that all the water was being converted to
steam has been utterly crushed!
Krivit was clearly right on his seven
2011/9/15 Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
The claims made for months that all the water was being converted to steam
has been utterly crushed!
Krivit was clearly right on his seven points.
True, but his seven points had nothing to do with Rossi, but it was
all to do with Levi and
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