Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Allen]

Hi Ronni

Yes you are probably right about the restarts. I was in the room waiting for 
the second stage to finish and when I turned back the screen was blank. I hit 
one of the keys ( probably "return") and the line of logins appeared so I 
logged in and got the requests for passwords etc. 
-I have unchecked  Optimize Mac Storage.The Desktop and Documents Folders was 
unchecked already
-We don't think there ever was an iCloud icon in the left column of the Finder 
Window
-iCloud Manager shows a few files in Pages and some Mail and Reminders. When we 
logged onto www.icloud.com it showed what the Pages files actually are and the 
Mail msgs

Basically we are happy with the way the iMac is working and that nothing 
untoward has happened and so I should be able set the backups going again today

Once again many thanks for all your help

Regards Allen

PS  On a personal level I was so elated when my first grandchild was born I 
sent you a photo of her ( we were discussing embedded images in mail). Well 
Kirra has grown into a delightful little girl who will be 10 years old next 
week with a birthday party at the ice skating rink. She is better on an iPad 
than I am and she loves using our iPhones to take photos. She lives in a 
different world but I'm happy I can still share it

iMac 21.5inch 2011 2.5Ghz Intel Core i5
8GB 1333Mhz DDR3

macOS Sierra 10.12.6


On 11/08/2017, at 9:59 AM, Ronni Brown wrote:

> Unbelievable Allen,
> 
> I was just about to send my reply to your previous email when I heard a 
> message come in.
> This is what I was about to send to you!
> 
> Hi Allen,
> My comments in Situ below in purple
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> My installation didn't go like that. After I clicked on the Install icon 
> located on the desktop (I moved it there after download) the installation 
> took about 40 minutes. Then there was another wait for about 20 minutes then 
> I was presented with the line of log in options so I logged on to my account. 
>  There was no second Mac restart and no setup assistant just straight to 
> login so no questions about storage etc.
> 
> The iMac did restart a couple of times during the long wait for the login 
> screen to appear, you might not have necessarily heard any startup chimes. 
> Then during the login process you are asked for your User Account password, 
> Apple ID & iCloud ID details maybe other passwords or questions
> 
> I didn't go to iCloud Drive/Options
> So you don’t know what was selected in iCloud Drive - Options, in your Wife’s 
> user account?
> You needed to Go to System Preferences > iCloud,  click the Options button 
> next to iCloud Drive.
> A) At the  bottom, ‘Uncheck’ Optimize Mac Storage. Click Done. 
> B) Uncheck ‘Desktop & Documents Folders’ checkbox at the top of  iCloud Drive 
> under Documents.
>  This turns off the syncing of the files.
> 
> After you click ‘Done’ - you will see messages ”are you really sure etc” and 
> stuff will happen in the background such as those items will no longer be 
> stored in the Cloud, they will no longer sync to your other devices, they 
> will ONLY be stored on your Mac.
> 
> Carolyn's desktop files are still there and her Documents folder is very full 
> of folders with files so hopefully intact. There is no iCloud Drive icon in 
> her Favourites
> Is there or was there ever a iCloud Drive icon under iCloud in the left side 
> column of the Finder Window?
> 
> Is it an option to do the Installation again?
> Is it the latest Sierra version 10.12.6?  I don’t think there is anything 
> wrong with the Sierra installation just the setup of iCloud Drive in your 
> wife’s user account and what (if anything) has been uploaded to iCloud.
> 
> In your wife’s user account - Go to System Preferences > iCloud - click 
> ‘Manage’ (at the bottom of the pane next to the iCloud Storage indicator).
> In the dialog that appears, each category listed on the left shows how much 
> data is storing online.
> 
> Also in your wife’s user account Go to https://www.icloud.com in her user 
> account and login to see what has been uploaded there if there is not a 
> iCloud Drive icon showing in left side of her Finder window.
> 
> Please reply with the details to my questions please.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12.6
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2017, at 9:34 am, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> We have only just been able to get back to the iMac and everything looks 
>> fine. The software is right up to date and all our files seem to be there so 
>> we intend to leave it as it is.
>> 
>> In hindsight the upgrade went quickly and smoothly, apart from my concern 
>> over Carolyn'd iCloud Drive box being ticked. I found the /Options Desktop 
>> and Documents folders box was unticked
>> 
>> Tomorrow I will re connect the external discs and start the backups again
>> 
>> Thank you very much f

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Ronni Brown]

Unbelievable Allen,

I was just about to send my reply to your previous email when I heard a message 
come in.
This is what I was about to send to you!

Hi Allen,
My comments in Situ below in purple

Hi Ronni

My installation didn't go like that. After I clicked on the Install icon 
located on the desktop (I moved it there after download) the installation took 
about 40 minutes. Then there was another wait for about 20 minutes then I was 
presented with the line of log in options so I logged on to my account.  There 
was no second Mac restart and no setup assistant just straight to login so no 
questions about storage etc.

The iMac did restart a couple of times during the long wait for the login 
screen to appear, you might not have necessarily heard any startup chimes. Then 
during the login process you are asked for your User Account password, Apple ID 
& iCloud ID details maybe other passwords or questions

I didn't go to iCloud Drive/Options
So you don’t know what was selected in iCloud Drive - Options, in your Wife’s 
user account?
You needed to Go to System Preferences > iCloud,  click the Options button next 
to iCloud Drive.
A) At the  bottom, ‘Uncheck’ Optimize Mac Storage. Click Done. 
B) Uncheck ‘Desktop & Documents Folders’ checkbox at the top of  iCloud Drive 
under Documents.
 This turns off the syncing of the files.

After you click ‘Done’ - you will see messages ”are you really sure etc” and 
stuff will happen in the background such as those items will no longer be 
stored in the Cloud, they will no longer sync to your other devices, they will 
ONLY be stored on your Mac.

Carolyn's desktop files are still there and her Documents folder is very full 
of folders with files so hopefully intact. There is no iCloud Drive icon in her 
Favourites
Is there or was there ever a iCloud Drive icon under iCloud in the left side 
column of the Finder Window?

Is it an option to do the Installation again?
Is it the latest Sierra version 10.12.6?  I don’t think there is anything wrong 
with the Sierra installation just the setup of iCloud Drive in your wife’s user 
account and what (if anything) has been uploaded to iCloud.

In your wife’s user account - Go to System Preferences > iCloud - click 
‘Manage’ (at the bottom of the pane next to the iCloud Storage indicator).
In the dialog that appears, each category listed on the left shows how much 
data is storing online.

Also in your wife’s user account Go to https://www.icloud.com 
 in her user account and login to see what has been 
uploaded there if there is not a iCloud Drive icon showing in left side of her 
Finder window.

Please reply with the details to my questions please.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.6

> On 11 Aug 2017, at 9:34 am, Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> We have only just been able to get back to the iMac and everything looks 
> fine. The software is right up to date and all our files seem to be there so 
> we intend to leave it as it is.
> 
> In hindsight the upgrade went quickly and smoothly, apart from my concern 
> over Carolyn'd iCloud Drive box being ticked. I found the /Options Desktop 
> and Documents folders box was unticked
> 
> Tomorrow I will re connect the external discs and start the backups again
> 
> Thank you very much for your help and patience
> 
> Cheers Allen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---09 Aug
> My installation didn't go like that. After I clicked on the Install icon 
> located on the desktop (I moved it there after download) the installation 
> took about 40 minutes. Then there was another wait for about 20 minutes then 
> I was presented with the line of log in options so I logged on to my account. 
>  There was no second Mac restart and no setup assistant just straight to 
> login so no questions about storage etc
> 
> I didn't go to iCloud Drive/Options
> 
> Carolyn's desktop files are still there and her Documents folder is very full 
> of folders with files so hopefully intact. There is no iCloud Drive icon in 
> her Favourites
> 
> Is it an option to do the Installation again?
> 
> I have to go out in 20 minutes until late on child minding duties but I could 
> shut the Mac down before I go. I've left the iCloud Drive box unticked and 
> the 3 choices hanging
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Cheers Allen
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2017, at 12:47 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On 9 Aug 2017, at 11:14 am, Allen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronnie
>>> 
>>> The Sierra Installer did not present the "All your files in iCloud " screen 
>>> so I didn't get a chance to deselect it.  On my account System Preferences 
>>> shows shows iCloud Drive unticked which is fine. When I logged onto my 
>>> wife's account System Preferences has iCloud Drive ticked which is what I 
>>> was trying to avoid.
>>> 
>>> I have unticked the 

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Allen]

Hi Ronni

We have only just been able to get back to the iMac and everything looks fine. 
The software is right up to date and all our files seem to be there so we 
intend to leave it as it is.

In hindsight the upgrade went quickly and smoothly, apart from my concern over 
Carolyn'd iCloud Drive box being ticked. I found the /Options Desktop and 
Documents folders box was unticked

Tomorrow I will re connect the external discs and start the backups again

Thank you very much for your help and patience

Cheers Allen




---09 Aug
My installation didn't go like that. After I clicked on the Install icon 
located on the desktop (I moved it there after download) the installation took 
about 40 minutes. Then there was another wait for about 20 minutes then I was 
presented with the line of log in options so I logged on to my account.  There 
was no second Mac restart and no setup assistant just straight to login so no 
questions about storage etc

I didn't go to iCloud Drive/Options

Carolyn's desktop files are still there and her Documents folder is very full 
of folders with files so hopefully intact. There is no iCloud Drive icon in her 
Favourites

Is it an option to do the Installation again?

I have to go out in 20 minutes until late on child minding duties but I could 
shut the Mac down before I go. I've left the iCloud Drive box unticked and the 
3 choices hanging

Thanks for your help

Cheers Allen


On 09/08/2017, at 12:47 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:

> 
>> On 9 Aug 2017, at 11:14 am, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronnie
>> 
>> The Sierra Installer did not present the "All your files in iCloud " screen 
>> so I didn't get a chance to deselect it.  On my account System Preferences 
>> shows shows iCloud Drive unticked which is fine. When I logged onto my 
>> wife's account System Preferences has iCloud Drive ticked which is what I 
>> was trying to avoid.
>> 
>> I have unticked the iCloud Drive box and have been given 3 choices and a 
>> warning documents stored on the iCloud will be removed from this Mac
>> 
>> -Keep a copy
>> -cancel
>> -Remove from Mac
>> 
>> I haven't chosen any of these yet as I am unsure what to do next. Will some 
>> of Carolyn's files already been removed from the Mac and if so how do I get 
>> them back?
>> 
>> I'd appreciate some advice on what to do next please
>> 
>> Cheers Allen
> 
> Hi Allen,
> 
> At the end of the installation of Sierra and your Mac restarts in Sierra, you 
> are finishing through the Setup Assistant, and signing in with Apple ID 
> /iCloud ID
> If you’ve already signed in to your iCloud account by this point in the 
> installation, Sierra asks if you want it to store all the files from your 
> Documents and Desktop folders in iCloud Drive; it tells you how much storage 
> this will require at this time and whether you’ll need to upgrade your iCloud 
> storage plan to accommodate that data.
> 
> What were you told, how much storage this will require and whether you’ll 
> need to upgrade your iCloud storage plan?
> 
> In System Preferences > iCloud > iCloud Drive > Options, did you deselect 
> both ‘Desktop & Documents Folders’ at the top of the list and the ‘Optimize 
> Mac Storage’ checkbox at the bottom?
> 
> Are all your wife’s desktop files still sitting on her Desktop?
> Are all her Documents still in her Documents Folder?
> In her Finder Window under Favourites the Left Side column - Is there a 
> ‘iCloud Drive’ icon?
> 
> Now depending if your wife’s files are in the process of being uploaded to 
> iCloud Drive or not I need your reply to my above questions before I can 
> further advise you how to correct the situation.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/08/2017, at 11:02 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Allen,
>>> 
>>> Yes, stop your CCC Backups & turn Time Machine backups off, after you do 
>>> your final backups and disconnect any external drives, prior to downloading 
>>> & installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you wait until you have installed and thoroughly tested Sierra 
>>> before commencing your CCC & Time Machine backup routine.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 Aug 2017, at 10:08 am, Allen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much 
 for your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully 
 through them
 
 Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs 
 and 2 Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be 
 enough. I must remember to stop them while updating
 
 Cheers Allen 
 
 iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
 8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3
 
 On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
>> 
>> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Allen]

Hi Ronni

My installation didn't go like that. After I clicked on the Install icon 
located on the desktop (I moved it there after download) the installation took 
about 40 minutes. Then there was another wait for about 20 minutes then I was 
presented with the line of log in options so I logged on to my account.  There 
was no second Mac restart and no setup assistant just straight to login so no 
questions about storage etc

I didn't go to iCloud Drive/Options

Carolyn's desktop files are still there and her Documents folder is very full 
of folders with files so hopefully intact. There is no iCloud Drive icon in her 
Favourites

Is it an option to do the Installation again?

I have to go out in 20 minutes until late on child minding duties but I could 
shut the Mac down before I go. I've left the iCloud Drive box unticked and the 
3 choices hanging

Thanks for your help

Cheers Allen


On 09/08/2017, at 12:47 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:

> 
>> On 9 Aug 2017, at 11:14 am, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ronnie
>> 
>> The Sierra Installer did not present the "All your files in iCloud " screen 
>> so I didn't get a chance to deselect it.  On my account System Preferences 
>> shows shows iCloud Drive unticked which is fine. When I logged onto my 
>> wife's account System Preferences has iCloud Drive ticked which is what I 
>> was trying to avoid.
>> 
>> I have unticked the iCloud Drive box and have been given 3 choices and a 
>> warning documents stored on the iCloud will be removed from this Mac
>> 
>> -Keep a copy
>> -cancel
>> -Remove from Mac
>> 
>> I haven't chosen any of these yet as I am unsure what to do next. Will some 
>> of Carolyn's files already been removed from the Mac and if so how do I get 
>> them back?
>> 
>> I'd appreciate some advice on what to do next please
>> 
>> Cheers Allen
> 
> Hi Allen,
> 
> At the end of the installation of Sierra and your Mac restarts in Sierra, you 
> are finishing through the Setup Assistant, and signing in with Apple ID 
> /iCloud ID
> If you’ve already signed in to your iCloud account by this point in the 
> installation, Sierra asks if you want it to store all the files from your 
> Documents and Desktop folders in iCloud Drive; it tells you how much storage 
> this will require at this time and whether you’ll need to upgrade your iCloud 
> storage plan to accommodate that data.
> 
> What were you told, how much storage this will require and whether you’ll 
> need to upgrade your iCloud storage plan?
> 
> In System Preferences > iCloud > iCloud Drive > Options, did you deselect 
> both ‘Desktop & Documents Folders’ at the top of the list and the ‘Optimize 
> Mac Storage’ checkbox at the bottom?
> 
> Are all your wife’s desktop files still sitting on her Desktop?
> Are all her Documents still in her Documents Folder?
> In her Finder Window under Favourites the Left Side column - Is there a 
> ‘iCloud Drive’ icon?
> 
> Now depending if your wife’s files are in the process of being uploaded to 
> iCloud Drive or not I need your reply to my above questions before I can 
> further advise you how to correct the situation.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/08/2017, at 11:02 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Allen,
>>> 
>>> Yes, stop your CCC Backups & turn Time Machine backups off, after you do 
>>> your final backups and disconnect any external drives, prior to downloading 
>>> & installing Sierra.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you wait until you have installed and thoroughly tested Sierra 
>>> before commencing your CCC & Time Machine backup routine.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8 Aug 2017, at 10:08 am, Allen  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much 
 for your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully 
 through them
 
 Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs 
 and 2 Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be 
 enough. I must remember to stop them while updating
 
 Cheers Allen 
 
 iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
 8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3
 
 On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
 
> 
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
>> 
>> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 
>> moved on to the iCloud?
>> 
>> Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
>> 
>> Regards Allen
> 
> Hi Allen,
> 
> You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have 
> a bootable backup included in your backup regime 
> And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party 
> software.
> 
> Run Disk Utility
> Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
> 1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
> 2. 

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Ronni Brown]

> On 9 Aug 2017, at 11:14 am, Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronnie
> 
> The Sierra Installer did not present the "All your files in iCloud " screen 
> so I didn't get a chance to deselect it.  On my account System Preferences 
> shows shows iCloud Drive unticked which is fine. When I logged onto my wife's 
> account System Preferences has iCloud Drive ticked which is what I was trying 
> to avoid.
> 
> I have unticked the iCloud Drive box and have been given 3 choices and a 
> warning documents stored on the iCloud will be removed from this Mac
> 
> -Keep a copy
> -cancel
> -Remove from Mac
> 
> I haven't chosen any of these yet as I am unsure what to do next. Will some 
> of Carolyn's files already been removed from the Mac and if so how do I get 
> them back?
> 
> I'd appreciate some advice on what to do next please
> 
> Cheers Allen

Hi Allen,

At the end of the installation of Sierra and your Mac restarts in Sierra, you 
are finishing through the Setup Assistant, and signing in with Apple ID /iCloud 
ID
If you’ve already signed in to your iCloud account by this point in the 
installation, Sierra asks if you want it to store all the files from your 
Documents and Desktop folders in iCloud Drive; it tells you how much storage 
this will require at this time and whether you’ll need to upgrade your iCloud 
storage plan to accommodate that data.

What were you told, how much storage this will require and whether you’ll need 
to upgrade your iCloud storage plan?

In System Preferences > iCloud > iCloud Drive > Options, did you deselect both 
‘Desktop & Documents Folders’ at the top of the list and the ‘Optimize Mac 
Storage’ checkbox at the bottom?

Are all your wife’s desktop files still sitting on her Desktop?
Are all her Documents still in her Documents Folder?
In her Finder Window under Favourites the Left Side column - Is there a ‘iCloud 
Drive’ icon?

Now depending if your wife’s files are in the process of being uploaded to 
iCloud Drive or not I need your reply to my above questions before I can 
further advise you how to correct the situation.

Cheers,
Ronni

> 
> 
> 
> On 08/08/2017, at 11:02 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi Allen,
>> 
>> Yes, stop your CCC Backups & turn Time Machine backups off, after you do 
>> your final backups and disconnect any external drives, prior to downloading 
>> & installing Sierra.
>> 
>> I suggest you wait until you have installed and thoroughly tested Sierra 
>> before commencing your CCC & Time Machine backup routine.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Aug 2017, at 10:08 am, Allen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> 
>>> Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much 
>>> for your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully 
>>> through them
>>> 
>>> Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs 
>>> and 2 Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be 
>>> enough. I must remember to stop them while updating
>>> 
>>> Cheers Allen 
>>> 
>>> iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
>>> 8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3
>>> 
>>> On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>>> 
 
> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  > wrote:
> 
> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
> 
> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 
> moved on to the iCloud?
> 
> Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
> 
> Regards Allen
 
 Hi Allen,
 
 You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have a 
 bootable backup included in your backup regime 
 And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party 
 software.
 
 Run Disk Utility
 Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
 1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
 2. In the list on the left, select your startup volume (if it isn’t 
 already selected), which is indented underneath the name of the device 
 (hard drive or SSD) that contains it.
 3. Click First Aid on the toolbar, and then click Run. Disk Utility checks 
 your disk and repairs it if necessary.
 4. When the repair is finished, click Done and quit Disk Utility. 
 —
 Download Sierra on the Destination Mac:
 The Sierra installer downloads to your /Applications folder—a process that 
 could take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the bandwidth of 
 your broadband connection.
 
 After it downloads, the installer launches automatically.
 
 But you’re not ready to install Sierra quite yet, so choose Install macOS 
 Sierra > Quit Install macOS Sierra to quit the installer for the time 
 being.
 
 The installer deletes itself after installing only when both of the 
 following are true:
 • The installer is in /Applications on your startup volu

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Allen]

Hi Ronnie

The Sierra Installer did not present the "All your files in iCloud " screen so 
I didn't get a chance to deselect it.  On my account System Preferences shows 
shows iCloud Drive unticked which is fine. When I logged onto my wife's account 
System Preferences has iCloud Drive ticked which is what I was trying to avoid.

I have unticked the iCloud Drive box and have been given 3 choices and a 
warning documents stored on the iCloud will be removed from this Mac

-Keep a copy
-cancel
-Remove from Mac

I haven't chosen any of these yet as I am unsure what to do next. Will some of 
Carolyn's files already been removed from the Mac and if so how do I get them 
back?

I'd appreciate some advice on what to do next please

Cheers Allen



On 08/08/2017, at 11:02 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi Allen,
> 
> Yes, stop your CCC Backups & turn Time Machine backups off, after you do your 
> final backups and disconnect any external drives, prior to downloading & 
> installing Sierra.
> 
> I suggest you wait until you have installed and thoroughly tested Sierra 
> before commencing your CCC & Time Machine backup routine.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad4
> 
> 
> On 8 Aug 2017, at 10:08 am, Allen  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> 
>> Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much for 
>> your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully through 
>> them
>> 
>> Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs and 
>> 2 Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be enough. 
>> I must remember to stop them while updating
>> 
>> Cheers Allen 
>> 
>> iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
>> 8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3
>> 
>> On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> 
 On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
 
 I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
 
 Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 
 moved on to the iCloud?
 
 Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
 
 Regards Allen
>>> 
>>> Hi Allen,
>>> 
>>> You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have a 
>>> bootable backup included in your backup regime 
>>> And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party software.
>>> 
>>> Run Disk Utility
>>> Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
>>> 1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
>>> 2. In the list on the left, select your startup volume (if it isn’t already 
>>> selected), which is indented underneath the name of the device (hard drive 
>>> or SSD) that contains it.
>>> 3. Click First Aid on the toolbar, and then click Run. Disk Utility checks 
>>> your disk and repairs it if necessary.
>>> 4. When the repair is finished, click Done and quit Disk Utility. 
>>> —
>>> Download Sierra on the Destination Mac:
>>> The Sierra installer downloads to your /Applications folder—a process that 
>>> could take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the bandwidth of 
>>> your broadband connection.
>>> 
>>> After it downloads, the installer launches automatically.
>>> 
>>> But you’re not ready to install Sierra quite yet, so choose Install macOS 
>>> Sierra > Quit Install macOS Sierra to quit the installer for the time being.
>>> 
>>> The installer deletes itself after installing only when both of the 
>>> following are true:
>>> • The installer is in /Applications on your startup volume.
>>> • You do an in-place upgrade of your startup volume.
>>> 
>>> If you put the installer anywhere else—your Desktop, or ~/Downloads, or 
>>> wherever—it won’t be deleted after it runs. Even so, because that big file 
>>> is valuable, I urge you to make a copy just in case the unexpected should 
>>> happen.
>>> 
>>> So, before you do anything else, you should either Command-drag the 
>>> installer to move it from /Applications to another location (so it won’t be 
>>> deleted automatically, no matter what), or Option-drag the installer to 
>>> copy it to another location—preferably another volume—so if it is deleted, 
>>> you’ll have a spare. 
>>> 
>>> Installing Sierra:
>>> In the process of upgrading to Sierra, the installer will invite you to 
>>> turn iCloud Drive feature on. (The relevant installer screen is titled “All 
>>> your files in iCloud,” and the single checkbox “Store files from Documents 
>>> and Desktop in iCloud Drive” is selected by default.) 
>>> Deselect this during the Sierra upgrade!
>>> 
>>> And after installing the Sierra upgrade, check System Preferences > iCloud 
>>> - that iCloud Drive is NOT ticked!
>>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>>> I use iCloud for just about everything else - but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>>> 
>>> Preform Post-Installation Tasks:
>>> Respond to immediate questions. Among the most common questions are 
>>> requests for your user account 

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Allen,

Yes, stop your CCC Backups & turn Time Machine backups off, after you do your 
final backups and disconnect any external drives, prior to downloading & 
installing Sierra.

I suggest you wait until you have installed and thoroughly tested Sierra before 
commencing your CCC & Time Machine backup routine.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


> On 8 Aug 2017, at 10:08 am, Allen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> 
> Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much for 
> your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully through 
> them
> 
> Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs and 
> 2 Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be enough. I 
> must remember to stop them while updating
> 
> Cheers Allen 
> 
> iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
> 8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3
> 
>> On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
>>> 
>>> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 
>>> moved on to the iCloud?
>>> 
>>> Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
>>> 
>>> Regards Allen
>> 
>> Hi Allen,
>> 
>> You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have a 
>> bootable backup included in your backup regime 
>> And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party software.
>> 
>> Run Disk Utility
>> Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
>> 1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
>> 2. In the list on the left, select your startup volume (if it isn’t already 
>> selected), which is indented underneath the name of the device (hard drive 
>> or SSD) that contains it.
>> 3. Click First Aid on the toolbar, and then click Run. Disk Utility checks 
>> your disk and repairs it if necessary.
>> 4. When the repair is finished, click Done and quit Disk Utility. 
>> —
>> Download Sierra on the Destination Mac:
>> The Sierra installer downloads to your /Applications folder—a process that 
>> could take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the bandwidth of your 
>> broadband connection.
>> 
>> After it downloads, the installer launches automatically.
>> 
>> But you’re not ready to install Sierra quite yet, so choose Install macOS 
>> Sierra > Quit Install macOS Sierra to quit the installer for the time being.
>> 
>> The installer deletes itself after installing only when both of the 
>> following are true:
>> • The installer is in /Applications on your startup volume.
>> • You do an in-place upgrade of your startup volume.
>> 
>> If you put the installer anywhere else—your Desktop, or ~/Downloads, or 
>> wherever—it won’t be deleted after it runs. Even so, because that big file 
>> is valuable, I urge you to make a copy just in case the unexpected should 
>> happen.
>> 
>> So, before you do anything else, you should either Command-drag the 
>> installer to move it from /Applications to another location (so it won’t be 
>> deleted automatically, no matter what), or Option-drag the installer to copy 
>> it to another location—preferably another volume—so if it is deleted, you’ll 
>> have a spare. 
>> 
>> Installing Sierra:
>> In the process of upgrading to Sierra, the installer will invite you to turn 
>> iCloud Drive feature on. (The relevant installer screen is titled “All your 
>> files in iCloud,” and the single checkbox “Store files from Documents and 
>> Desktop in iCloud Drive” is selected by default.) 
>> Deselect this during the Sierra upgrade!
>> 
>> And after installing the Sierra upgrade, check System Preferences > iCloud - 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ticked!
>> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
>> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
>> I use iCloud for just about everything else - but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
>> 
>> Preform Post-Installation Tasks:
>> Respond to immediate questions. Among the most common questions are requests 
>> for your user account password or Apple ID password. For example, certain 
>> apps may once again need an administrator’s authorization to make changes to 
>> your data, and various apps that use your Apple ID (including iTunes and 
>> iBooks) may need you to sign in again.
>> 
>> Tip: Even if you’re not prompted, it’s a good idea to check System 
>> Preferences > iCloud to make sure you’re signed in to iCloud (and with the 
>> correct Apple ID). Do the same in iTunes (Account > View My Account) and the 
>> App Store (Store > View My Account).
>> 
>> Work your way through any such dialogs you see, even if they seem redundant. 
>> After that one-time process, most of them will not reappear.
>> 
>> Handle Software Updates:
>> The next thing you should do is to update macOS itself (and any other 
>> crucial Apple software) to the latest version. Sometimes Apple releases bug 
>> fixes and security updates almost immediately af

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Allen]

Hi Ronni

Mm well obviously I haven't done enough preparation. Thank you very much for 
your instructions. I have printed them out and will work carefully through them

Our backups consist of 2 CCC bootable backups daily to 2 different discs and 2 
Time Machines alternately to different discs which I hope will be enough. I 
must remember to stop them while updating

Cheers Allen 

iMac 2011 2.5Ghz Intel core i5
8 GB 1333Mhz DDR3

On 07/08/2017, at 3:52 PM, Ronni Brown wrote:

> 
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
>> 
>> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being 
>> moved on to the iCloud?
>> 
>> Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
>> 
>> Regards Allen
> 
> Hi Allen,
> 
> You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have a 
> bootable backup included in your backup regime 
> And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party software.
> 
> Run Disk Utility
> Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
> 1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
> 2. In the list on the left, select your startup volume (if it isn’t already 
> selected), which is indented underneath the name of the device (hard drive or 
> SSD) that contains it.
> 3. Click First Aid on the toolbar, and then click Run. Disk Utility checks 
> your disk and repairs it if necessary.
> 4. When the repair is finished, click Done and quit Disk Utility. 
> —
> Download Sierra on the Destination Mac:
> The Sierra installer downloads to your /Applications folder—a process that 
> could take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the bandwidth of your 
> broadband connection.
> 
> After it downloads, the installer launches automatically.
> 
> But you’re not ready to install Sierra quite yet, so choose Install macOS 
> Sierra > Quit Install macOS Sierra to quit the installer for the time being.
> 
> The installer deletes itself after installing only when both of the following 
> are true:
> • The installer is in /Applications on your startup volume.
> • You do an in-place upgrade of your startup volume.
> 
> If you put the installer anywhere else—your Desktop, or ~/Downloads, or 
> wherever—it won’t be deleted after it runs. Even so, because that big file is 
> valuable, I urge you to make a copy just in case the unexpected should happen.
> 
> So, before you do anything else, you should either Command-drag the installer 
> to move it from /Applications to another location (so it won’t be deleted 
> automatically, no matter what), or Option-drag the installer to copy it to 
> another location—preferably another volume—so if it is deleted, you’ll have a 
> spare. 
> 
> Installing Sierra:
> In the process of upgrading to Sierra, the installer will invite you to turn 
> iCloud Drive feature on. (The relevant installer screen is titled “All your 
> files in iCloud,” and the single checkbox “Store files from Documents and 
> Desktop in iCloud Drive” is selected by default.) 
> Deselect this during the Sierra upgrade!
> 
> And after installing the Sierra upgrade, check System Preferences > iCloud - 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ticked!
> The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check 
> that iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
> I use iCloud for just about everything else - but NOT “iCloud Drive”!
> 
> Preform Post-Installation Tasks:
> Respond to immediate questions. Among the most common questions are requests 
> for your user account password or Apple ID password. For example, certain 
> apps may once again need an administrator’s authorization to make changes to 
> your data, and various apps that use your Apple ID (including iTunes and 
> iBooks) may need you to sign in again.
> 
> Tip: Even if you’re not prompted, it’s a good idea to check System 
> Preferences > iCloud to make sure you’re signed in to iCloud (and with the 
> correct Apple ID). Do the same in iTunes (Account > View My Account) and the 
> App Store (Store > View My Account).
> 
> Work your way through any such dialogs you see, even if they seem redundant. 
> After that one-time process, most of them will not reappear.
> 
> Handle Software Updates:
> The next thing you should do is to update macOS itself (and any other crucial 
> Apple software) to the latest version. Sometimes Apple releases bug fixes and 
> security updates almost immediately after a major upgrade, and if any such 
> urgent updates are available, it’s in your best interest to install them 
> right away.
> In Sierra, as in every version of OS X since Mountain Lion, all updates to 
> Apple software—including macOS itself, built-in software such as Safari and 
> QuickTime, and optional purchases such as Final Cut Pro and Pages—are 
> delivered through the App Store app. And, of course, you can update all the 
> third-party apps you’ve purchased from the App Store at the same time.
> 
> In some cases, t

Re: Update to OS 10.12 Sierra

[Ronni Brown]

> On 7 Aug 2017, at 2:02 pm, Allen  wrote:
> 
> I am about to update our iMac from macOS 10.11.6  to OS 10.12.6
> 
> Would some one please remind me at what point do I stop our files being moved 
> on to the iCloud?
> 
> Is there anything else I should consider. We are fully backed up
> 
> Regards Allen

Hi Allen,

You mention above that you are fully backed up, so I’m assuming you have a 
bootable backup included in your backup regime 
And you have done the normal preparations, and updated third-party software.

Run Disk Utility
Use Disk Utility in El Capitan or Later:
1. Launch Disk Utility (in /Applications/Utilities).
2. In the list on the left, select your startup volume (if it isn’t already 
selected), which is indented underneath the name of the device (hard drive or 
SSD) that contains it.
3. Click First Aid on the toolbar, and then click Run. Disk Utility checks your 
disk and repairs it if necessary.
4. When the repair is finished, click Done and quit Disk Utility. 
—
Download Sierra on the Destination Mac:
The Sierra installer downloads to your /Applications folder—a process that 
could take anywhere from minutes to days, depending on the bandwidth of your 
broadband connection.

After it downloads, the installer launches automatically.

But you’re not ready to install Sierra quite yet, so choose Install macOS 
Sierra > Quit Install macOS Sierra to quit the installer for the time being.

The installer deletes itself after installing only when both of the following 
are true:
• The installer is in /Applications on your startup volume.
• You do an in-place upgrade of your startup volume.

If you put the installer anywhere else—your Desktop, or ~/Downloads, or 
wherever—it won’t be deleted after it runs. Even so, because that big file is 
valuable, I urge you to make a copy just in case the unexpected should happen.

So, before you do anything else, you should either Command-drag the installer 
to move it from /Applications to another location (so it won’t be deleted 
automatically, no matter what), or Option-drag the installer to copy it to 
another location—preferably another volume—so if it is deleted, you’ll have a 
spare. 

Installing Sierra:
In the process of upgrading to Sierra, the installer will invite you to turn 
iCloud Drive feature on. (The relevant installer screen is titled “All your 
files in iCloud,” and the single checkbox “Store files from Documents and 
Desktop in iCloud Drive” is selected by default.) 
Deselect this during the Sierra upgrade!

And after installing the Sierra upgrade, check System Preferences > iCloud - 
that iCloud Drive is NOT ticked!
The first thing I do after installing a OS X update & iOS update is check that 
iCloud Drive is NOT ON… & turn if OFF if it is.
I use iCloud for just about everything else - but NOT “iCloud Drive”!

Preform Post-Installation Tasks:
Respond to immediate questions. Among the most common questions are requests 
for your user account password or Apple ID password. For example, certain apps 
may once again need an administrator’s authorization to make changes to your 
data, and various apps that use your Apple ID (including iTunes and iBooks) may 
need you to sign in again.

Tip: Even if you’re not prompted, it’s a good idea to check System Preferences 
> iCloud to make sure you’re signed in to iCloud (and with the correct Apple 
ID). Do the same in iTunes (Account > View My Account) and the App Store (Store 
> View My Account).

Work your way through any such dialogs you see, even if they seem redundant. 
After that one-time process, most of them will not reappear.

Handle Software Updates:
The next thing you should do is to update macOS itself (and any other crucial 
Apple software) to the latest version. Sometimes Apple releases bug fixes and 
security updates almost immediately after a major upgrade, and if any such 
urgent updates are available, it’s in your best interest to install them right 
away.
In Sierra, as in every version of OS X since Mountain Lion, all updates to 
Apple software—including macOS itself, built-in software such as Safari and 
QuickTime, and optional purchases such as Final Cut Pro and Pages—are delivered 
through the App Store app. And, of course, you can update all the third-party 
apps you’ve purchased from the App Store at the same time.

In some cases, the App Store notifies you automatically of updates, but I 
recommend checking manually, shortly after your Mac starts up under Sierra for 
the first time.


Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.6

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