Re: Follow up on closure

Pascal, There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I have not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It was pretty clear to me that Apple discontinued WO good 15 years ago. Is it really possible that only 50 people or so in the world that

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

Legally, no. Copyright still applies to abandonware. Whatever the way forward is, we can’t use WO code. - hugi > On 12. maí 2016, at 16:21, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: > > Apple will probably never open source WO. > But does the fact that WO is officially « AbandonWare »

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

No. And I would never base my solutions on (nor sell my customers) anything based on a legally ambiguous product. Doing so is amazingly irresponsible. > On 12. maí 2016, at 16:36, Jean Pierre Malrieu wrote: > > Yes, sure. But is there a way to test Apple’s willingness to

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

Apple will probably never open source WO. But does the fact that WO is officially « AbandonWare » have consequences for the TB initiative? JPM > Le 3 mai 2016 à 19:13, Hugi Thordarson a écrit : > > I think it’s good news—at least much better than the >

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

Yes, sure. But is there a way to test Apple’s willingness to legally respond to an infringement of their copyright? > Le 12 mai 2016 à 18:26, Hugi Thordarson a écrit : > > Legally, no. Copyright still applies to abandonware. Whatever the way forward > is, we can’t use WO

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

Do we think that Apple, the Largest Corporation in the world, will press an issue with a bunch of small companies using derived work of a product they abandoned? What is the negative publicity cost to them? What is the positive financial value to them? How much will it cost Apple just to

Re: Follow up on closure

> On May 12, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Michael Kondratov > wrote: > > Pascal, > There are also people like us that use WO for internal projects. I have > not been able to find any other platform that would warrant a move. It was > pretty clear to me that Apple

RE: Follow up on closure

+100 ! De : webobjects-dev-bounces+probert=macti...@lists.apple.com de la part de Paul Yu Envoyé : 12 mai 2016 10:51:13 À : Hugi Þórðarson Cc : webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com Objet

Re: Follow up on closure

Hello, all… I am one of these guys using Wonder for internal projects, after evaluating several other platforms. Software development is not what I do for a living, so I don’t earn a living *directly* from WebObjects. Still, my business runs on apps developed with it, so it’s definitely an

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

+1 on payment for membership Gino > On 12 May 2016, at 10:42, Jérémy DE ROYER wrote: > > I sign for a bronze membership to support the wocommunity that help us > everyday working with WebObjects and Wonder. > > Since 10 years, I don’t have the time and the money

Re: Follow up on closure

> On 12.05.2016, at 16:51, Paul Yu wrote: > > Hugi > > The state of WO and the WO community is not because of your persistence to > get a definitive statement from Apple. It is because there are no BIG > organizations that support this community. > > This community is stuck

Re: Follow up on closure

Markus - there is no WO in Cayenne. > On May 12, 2016, at 11:27 AM, Markus Ruggiero > wrote: > > Thus as interesting as Cayenne sounds, there is still WebObjects underneath ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They

Re: Follow up on closure

+1 Jérémy > Le 12 mai 2016 à 16:38, Hugi Thordarson a écrit : > > I feel rather bad and somewhat responsible for everything that’s going on > these days. I had no idea that a phonecall from Apple would result in this. > > I'm still using WO actively in numerous old and new

Re: Follow up on closure

Hugi The state of WO and the WO community is not because of your persistence to get a definitive statement from Apple. It is because there are no BIG organizations that support this community. This community is stuck in purgatory. We can’t move forward because we may infringe on Apple’s

Re: Follow up on closure

Hugi, I don’t think this had anything to do with you. I would not have pushed the buttons you pushed - but so be it. Me, I prefer to let sleeping dragons… sleep :) Pascal laid out the issues that brought him to his conclusion: - Less participation in WOnder - Less attendance at WOWODC -

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

I sign for a bronze membership to support the wocommunity that help us everyday working with WebObjects and Wonder. Since 10 years, I don’t have the time and the money to fly to Montreal for the wowodc. But, in the time of e-learning, online conference and social network, I’m still surprising

Re: Follow up on closure

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Re: Follow up on closure

I feel rather bad and somewhat responsible for everything that’s going on these days. I had no idea that a phonecall from Apple would result in this. I'm still using WO actively in numerous old and new projects, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. Being an opensource nut I’ve made

Re: Follow up on closure

s, I expect to lose 10-12 WOWODC guests, so I calculated > >>> that we needed 45 guests and made the arrangements based on that number. > >>> Sadly, we are only 33 so far, and usually at that timeframe, we only get > >>> 4-5 registrations. Hence the 6200$

Re: Follow up on closure

+1 On 12/05/2016 20:53, David LeBer wrote: My involvement with the community has diminished drastically as of late, and appears to be indicative of the community as a whole. But I wanted to voice my support for everything Pascal has done for us (and me) over the past few years. I've

Re: Follow up on closure

Yes > On May 12, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Gavin Eadie wrote: > >> On May 12, 2016, at 2:53 PM, David LeBer wrote: >> >> I've purchased a sponsorship, but if there is still a shortfall, you can >> count on me to chip in a little more. > > .. does a

Re: Follow up on closure

I certainly hope it does ;) I believe it goes into the WOCommunity coffers and that pays for hosting and WOWODC. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, and direct my money appropriately. --  D On May 12, 2016 at 3:15:18 PM, Gavin Eadie (ga...@umich.edu) wrote: > On May 12, 2016, at 2:53

Re: Follow up on closure

> On May 12, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Pascal Robert wrote: > > And the shortfall have been paid. .. excellent news ! ___ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Webobjects-dev mailing list

RE: Follow up on closure

I too would like to say thank you to the entire WO community for their assistance over the years. WebObjects is not going anywhere soon as far as I'm concerned. If that counts for anything:) FYI, I work for UHN (a group of teaching hospitals) in Toronto. We have been using WO apps for over

Re: Follow up on closure

+1 Jérémy Le 12 mai 2016 à 20:53, Calven Eggert > a écrit : I too would like to say thank you to the entire WO community for their assistance over the years. WebObjects is not going anywhere soon as far as I'm concerned. If that counts for anything:)

RE: Follow up on closure

Sponsorship is indeed going into the WOCommunity Association (non-profit registered in Canada) coffers, and pays hosting, WOWODC and the online store. And the shortfall have been paid. Will do a recap tonight. De :

Re: Follow up on closure

> On May 12, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > […] Pascal has put his heart and soul and an amazing amount of effort and > determination in the community for many years. It would not exist were it > not for Pascal. What we are primarily discussing is not how to

Re: Follow up on closure

My involvement with the community has diminished drastically as of late, and appears to be indicative of the community as a whole. But I wanted to voice my support for everything Pascal has done for us (and me) over the past few years. I've purchased a sponsorship, but if there is still a

Re: Follow up on closure

> On May 12, 2016, at 2:53 PM, David LeBer wrote: > > I've purchased a sponsorship, but if there is still a shortfall, you can > count on me to chip in a little more. .. does a "sponsorship" help Pascal’s shortfall? I assume so since several messages have

Re: WebObjects officially declared dead by Apple

While you are testing things like this, you could verify that gasoline vapours are flammable as well. :-P On 2016-05-12, 9:36 AM, "webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Jean Pierre Malrieu"

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

We should transition the contents of the wocommunity to the ethereum blockchain and ipfs so that it is permanently on the Internet :) > On May 11, 2016, at 3:06 PM, jazzsalsa wrote: > > Hi WebObjects fans, > > I just read this message on Facebook from Pascal: > > Pascal

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

We originally wanted then hosted by a “neutral” company so that if one of us went out of business that the resources would not be lost. This has happened before (anyone remember WOCode?). When facing the loss of your business, the community assets are probably not at the front of people’s

Re: Follow up on closure

Hi Pascal, First, my heartfelt thanks for all of the effort you have put into the community over the years. We might not say it that often, but we really do appreciate you! On 2016-05-12, 4:31 AM, "webobjects-dev-bounces+chill=gevityinc@lists.apple.com on behalf of Pascal Robert"

Re: Follow up on closure

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Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

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Re: Follow up on closure

From memory, most of the developers now are based in Europe. So it might make sense to migrate it there.Do we even need the “association” (non-profit legal entity) now? Or do we just need an on-line shared presence for mutual co-operation? Chuck On 2016-05-12, 7:44 AM,

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

Would a GoogleDoc Sheet not be better for this type of collaboration? It has a great version history feature (that Microsoft may, or may not have) I am sure that 'Chuck Hanviriyapunt’ would agree. Mark LOL! I am going to have to practice spelling that. Hill was so much easier! I am also not

Re: Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 13, Issue 181

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Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

> On 12 May 2016, at 00:06, Ramsey Gurley wrote: > http://store.wocommunity.org/products/membership > Is there a way to donate an arbitrary amount to the community? _ Mark Gowdy Gowdy Associates Ltd

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

> On 11.05.2016, at 21:06, jazzsalsa wrote: > > Hi WebObjects fans, > > I just read this message on Facebook from Pascal: > > Pascal Robert > > 21 hrs > · > Montreal, QC, Canada > With the

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

> On 12 May 2016, at 10:03, Markus Ruggiero wrote: > >> >> On 11.05.2016, at 21:06, jazzsalsa > > wrote: >> >> Hi WebObjects fans, >> >> I just read this message on Facebook from Pascal: >> >> Pascal Robert >> >> 21

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

I am no longer doing any development at all, but I signed up for a bronze sponsorship. It would not be fair to let Pascal pay the bill, and I am not proud that I did not renew my membership last year (I forgot). Is it really necessary to migrate all the tools and services now? Why don’t we just

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

> Am 12.05.2016 um 09:02 schrieb Jean Pierre Malrieu : > Is it really necessary to migrate all the tools and services now? Why don’t > we just pay a little bit more to get the current ones running? That should > not be too expensive. IMHO those services have always been a

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

can't come to Montreal this year, but signed up for Bronze as well Markus > Am 12.05.2016 um 04:43 schrieb David LeBer : > > Ditto > > -- > D > > On May 11, 2016 at 9:28:19 PM, Chris Klein/IcontactWeb > (ckl...@icontactweb.com) wrote: > >> Ditto. >> >> Chris

Re: Follow up on closure

> On 12.05.2016, at 21:40, Pascal Robert wrote: > > Sponsorship is indeed going into the WOCommunity Association (non-profit > registered in Canada) coffers, and pays hosting, WOWODC and the online store. > > And the shortfall have been paid. Will do a recap tonight. What a

Exception Updating Rows When Qualifier Has Relationship

Hello, I`ve been trying to use the method updateRowsDescribedByQualifier of ERXEOAccessUtilities class but I`m facing a problem. The method updateRowsDescribedByQualifier requires the following parameters: an EOEditingContext, a String that represents an entity name, a qualifier and a NSDictionary

Re: Follow up on closure

e 6200$ deficit (now reduced to about 2100$). > >>> > >>> - Contributions to Wonder is next to nothing for the last year. > >>> > >>> - I was thinking that having a session about using Cayenne with WO would > >>> be a great way to modern

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

> Le 12 mai 2016 à 03:21, Musall Maik a écrit : > > >> Am 12.05.2016 um 09:02 schrieb Jean Pierre Malrieu : >> Is it really necessary to migrate all the tools and services now? Why don’t >> we just pay a little bit more to get the current ones

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

Bah. Never too many. > On May 12, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Chuck Hill wrote: > > I thought he meant Avendasora not Aspinall. We still have too many Davids! > >> On 2016-05-12, 5:48 PM, "David Aspinall" wrote: >> >> Nope, no aliens, and definitely not

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

On 13 May 2016, at 10:18 am, David Aspinall wrote: > Nope, no aliens, and definitely not Drumpf! Sorry David—I’d forgotten that “David A” wasn’t specific enough! I actually meant Avendasora. > I’m not sure what you are optimizing for here. Just elegance, really. >

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

On 13 May 2016, at 10:22 am, Chuck Hill wrote: > I thought he meant Avendasora not Aspinall. Yeah I did—the ERXKey guru. Or, at least, the last person to touch that code. -- Paul Hoadley http://logicsquad.net/ ___ Do not

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

Hi Paul and everyone, What you did is ok - not bad but since you are asking for more here you go. It is probably a bad idea to model the back relationship from “Role -> Users” as one role could be used by thousands of users. You don’t want to fault all those people in when you

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

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Re: Exception Updating Rows When Qualifier Has Relationship

I`ve forgotten to read the JavaDoc. sorry. Thank you for pointing out a solution. Thank you Chuck. 2016-05-12 18:34 GMT-03:00 Chuck Hill : > Hi Luiz, > > > > This is in the JavaDoc for this method: > > * Updates rows described by the qualifier. Note that the values and

Re: Exception Updating Rows When Qualifier Has Relationship

Hi Luiz, This is in the JavaDoc for this method: * Updates rows described by the qualifier. Note that the values and the qualifier need to be on an attribute * and not on a relationship level. I.e. you need to give relationshipForeignKey = pk of object instead of * relatedObject

Re: Follow up on closure

Contributions from yesterday and today: 8535$! (8278.95$ after the 3% transaction fees). So not only the debt for WOWODC 2016 will be paid, but we have money to pay for hosting the server (and Shopify bill, 59$ US/month) for a couple of months. Many thanks for your contributions! Maybe we

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

I thought he meant Avendasora not Aspinall. We still have too many Davids! On 2016-05-12, 5:48 PM, "David Aspinall" wrote: >Nope, no aliens, and definitely not Drumpf! > >I’m not sure what you are optimizing for here. Is this a slow running query? >I can’t imagine

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

On 13 May 2016, at 9:03 am, Chuck Hill wrote: > Best guess is that Dave A has been abducted by aliens for a comprehensive > battery of probes. Or he is running Trump’s election strategy. Not even mutually exclusive. > Have you looked at Pierre Bernard’s qualifiers?

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

On 11 May 2016, at 7:52 am, Paul Hoadley wrote: > While this works, it seems awkward. Is there a way to create this qualifier > (which is essentially looking for any match between User.roles and > Notice.roles) in one step? Obviously there’s a lot going on right now, but

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

Best guess is that Dave A has been abducted by aliens for a comprehensive battery of probes. Or he is running Trump’s election strategy. Have you looked at Pierre Bernard’s qualifiers? There might be something in there:

Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many relationships

It is not completely mad, but there might be a cleaner way. From: Paul Hoadley Date: Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 4:36 PM To: Chuck Hill Cc: WebObjects-Dev Subject: Re: Qualifier to match on content of two to-many

Re: Closure of WOCommunity Association

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Follow up on closure

It seems the majority wants to keep the WOCommunity server alive until WOWODC, so let's do that. Now, the reasons of why I wanted to shutdown everything: - The results of the surveys are not positive. Only 57% of respondents use WO for new and current projects, 32% only for maintenance, the