On 26.8.2006, at 0.05, Eelco Hillenius wrote:
The kind of discussion that is appropriate here though is if people
find features/ tricks/ whatever that might make Wicket better.
Just like what Howard has done? ;)
http://howardlewisship.com/blog/2006/08/tapestry-5-progress-class-
so what happens if an instance of the class that needs to be reloaded is in session? what if something holds a reference to it?that means some of your code might expect the new class but get the old one instead?
remember tapestry doesnt hold state in objects like wicket does - at least not 4.x -
H. I'm a committer of JettyLauncher. Johan is a committer of the
Sysdeo Tomcat plugin. The options we have ;)
Eelco
On 8/28/06, Janne Hietamäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 26.8.2006, at 0.05, Eelco Hillenius wrote:
The kind of discussion that is appropriate here though is if
Yeah. We're dependent on the Java environment itself to fix it. We all
voted on that issue (started by Geert Bevin I believe) didn't we?
Eelco
On 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so what happens if an instance of the class that needs to be reloaded is in
session? what if
but this has nothing to do with the launchers - its a classloader-IgorOn 8/28/06, Eelco Hillenius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:H. I'm a committer of JettyLauncher. Johan is a committer of the
Sysdeo Tomcat plugin. The options we have ;)EelcoOn 8/28/06, Janne Hietamäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if we /can/ make it work then im all for it, but i just dont think we can.-IgorOn 8/28/06, Eelco Hillenius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah. We're dependent on the Java environment itself to fix it. We all
voted on that issue (started by Geert Bevin I believe) didn't we?EelcoOn 8/28/06, Igor Vaynberg
Yes! I've cast all my votes for it. There's very good chance that
hotswap will be enhanced for Java 7
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=572396start=30tstart=120
Joni
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:08 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote:
Yeah. We're dependent on the Java environment itself to
I know, I was referring to the last section. What fun we could have if
we change the classloading for every new release. I know that compared
with the Sysdeo plugin, JettyLauncher takes an extremely simplified
approach to classloading. Works fine for development, but the Tomcat
plugin actually
Coolio.
Eelco
On 8/28/06, Joni Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes! I've cast all my votes for it. There's very good chance that
hotswap will be enhanced for Java 7
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=572396start=30tstart=120
Joni
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 10:08 -0700, Eelco
we can't add class loaders on top of the web app class loaderThat is a very very bad idea. That will not work completely right in clustering or shutdown and then startup of a web app server.Because they can't find the classes then that are loaded with a class loader that is on top of a
I'd rather keep focussed on the framework itself, and let SUN handle
the classloading thing.
Eelco
On 8/28/06, Johan Compagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we can't add class loaders on top of the web app class loader
That is a very very bad idea. That will not work completely right in
clustering
A high-class Java framework debate? Impossible. The stakes are too low for any class other than none.
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Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security?
Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated
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I'd like to point out the Tapestry 5.0 will be something like the third
major rewrite of some form or another in a row.
Francis Amanfo wrote:
Hi all,
I found this current post on Howard's blog. I quote it here:
Wicket has a nice
It's understandable that he gives a strong opinion to a direct attack
on his framework. He's probably as ill informed about Wicket as we are
on Tapestry 5 though. So what she should do is take a look at what he
is doing and see whether we can learn something from it. Unlikely
though as it'll still
seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by talking crap about wicket in his blog comment :)but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just leave it at that.i really liked tapestry and used it professionally when it was in the
3.x, beginnings of 4.x
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To:
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Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard
is bluffing here ...
seems to me like howard
was the one who started the flamewar by talking crap about wicket in his blog
comment :)
but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just
leave
software.
-scott
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is bluffing here ...
seems to me like howard
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To:
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Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard
is bluffing here ...
why didnt you just ban
him off the list? seems like a rational thing to do :)
-Igor
On 8/25/06, Scott T
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Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list
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is bluffing here ...
why didnt you just ban
him off the list? seems like a rational thing to do :)
-Igor
On 8
I remember a similar issue on the Velocity list a couple of years ago
where the author of Freemarker came around on every opportunity he
could find to bitch about Velocity. Pretty annoying.
Eelco
Yeah, well at least he isn't trolling your user list ;-) We used to have
some douche bag from
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Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] Howard is bluffing here ...
seems to me like howard was the one who started the flamewar by talking
crap about wicket in his blog comment :)
but honestly, who cares? different people like different things, lets just
leave it at that.
i really liked
OH SCHNAP
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we're not tired of you
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we're not tired of you yet :D On 8/25/06, Igor Vaynberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, but that is only fun for so long :)
-IgorOn 8/25/06, Scott T weaver
It's really annoying when forums or mailing lists assault weblog
comments in a coordinated attack: don't do it! I mean, HLS is a
you-know-what, and that's been obvious for some time, but we don't want
the outside world to start looking at us like Mac users or anything. (I
say that as a Mac user
and if you are going to put down someones work at least leave your name!-IgorOn 8/25/06, Nathan Hamblen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It's really annoying when forums or mailing lists assault weblog
comments in a coordinated attack: don't do it! I mean, HLS is ayou-know-what, and that's been obvious
Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't have discussions like this on the lists.
The kind of discussion that is appropriate here though is if people
find features/ tricks/ whatever that might make Wicket better.
Eelco
On 8/25/06, Nathan Hamblen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's really annoying when
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