Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-16 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hi, The line: | status = EN is copied out of the source of the English article "tiger" with the other lines of wikicode as well. That's the reason why the identifiers are left latin. All what I wanted to show is, that it is still possible to use the actual infoboxes and fill them with data

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I do not understand why it should be necessary to specify that a specific language is to be used. When a template is used on the English Wikipedia, the choice for English is a function of the Wiki and its text being in English. Another reason why it is not necessary to specify the language is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-16 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hi, are we really speaking about the same? - Pure data serving should be possible there is no disagree here as I think. - Should infoboxes be provided? I was not speaking about the possibility for Wikipedia then. At least I did not meant it. I more likely wanted to point out that we should

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I absolutely agree that Wikidata should be able to serve data in an unformatted way. I absolutely disagree that there is no need for serving data formatted in info boxes. Consider this use case: Someone translated the texts associated with all the popes in Xhosa. There are no articles on pope

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-15 Thread Marco Fleckinger
Hallo, On 2012-06-14 12:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Technically there is nothing stopping Wikidata from hosting multiple infoboxes on the same subject. The big thing about such infoboxes is that their layout is the same for all subjects in the same category. This does not mean that every one

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-15 Thread jmcclure
OK -- i view wiki page transclusion same as xml text entity inclusion is all it is to me. On 15.06.2012 00:12, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > On 14/06/12 17:49, jmcclure@hypergrove.comwrote: > >> "Wikidata publishing infoboxes and Wikipedias using them is again the client-server model." Not sure

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-15 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/06/12 17:49, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: "Wikidata publishing infoboxes and Wikipedias using them is again the client-server model." Not sure where this chestnut is coming from. Transclusion is as close to client-server as my cooking is to being gourmet! There's NO API. so I don't unde

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread jmcclure
Gregor says> Or are you proposing to simply use the existing template programming with the only the difference that wikidata is the only mediawiki where the properties can be accessed within templates? Much of my argument assumes that you are looking for a non-template based infobox renderer, I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
> Gregor, I'm a bit confused -- are you talking about the transclusion design > approach in this statement? Yes, in the sense that it demands to be the only access to wiki data content in a Wikipedia. > because, if so, I'd think there'd be a number of > infobox "styles" that can be selected by an

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread jmcclure
"I strongly disagree with the demand to make this the only choice." - Gregor, I'm a bit confused -- are you talking about the transclusion design approach in this statement? because, if so, I'd think there'd be a number of infobox "styles" that can be selected by an author on the wikidata plat

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread jmcclure
"Wikidata publishing infoboxes and Wikipedias using them is again the client-server model." Not sure where this chestnut is coming from. Transclusion is as close to client-server as my cooking is to being gourmet! There's NO API. so I don't understand your commenst at all, sorry. On 13.06.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
On 14 June 2012 12:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Finally, when Wikidata provides data and info boxes, it does not mean that > any project is compelled to use it. As Wikidata matures, it will become > increasingly clear that it is not the best practice. that may be, but Wikidata needs a path to get

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Technically there is nothing stopping Wikidata from hosting multiple infoboxes on the same subject. The big thing about such infoboxes is that their layout is the same for all subjects in the same category. This does not mean that every one looks the same but it does mean they follow a consist

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-14 Thread Gregor Hagedorn
While I agree that it is desirable to support simple, preformatted Infoboxes that can, with minimal effort be re-used in a large number of language versions of Wikipedia, I strongly disagree with the demand to make this the only choice. I think the present Wikidata approach to allow local Wikipedi

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/06/12 00:39, jmccl...@hypergrove.com wrote: Transclusion is surely fundamental to wiki application design. The [[wikidata]] proposal by contrast is a client-server API, such things an artifact of the 20th century. What is the point of it here? Ultimately the problem you're grappling with i

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread jmcclure
Hi Bináris, I never said Wikipedias will always agree; in fact, I pointed to science articles, not social or religious articles, as a dominant use-case. In any event, whatever [[wikidata]] pages are transcluded is entirely under the whim and control of a wikipedia. If a wikipedia wants its own (

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 14/06/12 07:20, Bináris wrote: Are you sure that Wikipedias will always agree in population and religion charts? They can always override it locally. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@li

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread Bináris
Are you sure that Wikipedias will always agree in population and religion charts? -- Bináris ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:13 AM, wrote: > I don't understand why it's so unlikely, Lydia. ANY educational article > (science, math, engineering) can have graphics whose underlying data is not > language-sensitve. How about timelines on a bio article -- that's anothr > example. Or a map within a p

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread jmcclure
I don't understand why it's so unlikely, Lydia. ANY educational article (science, math, engineering) can have graphics whose underlying data is not language-sensitve. How about timelines on a bio article -- that's anothr example. Or a map within a place article? Or financial data within a busine

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hi John, On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:39 AM, wrote: > I base my belief that [[wikitopics]] is operationally faster on a basic > difference between the two designs, as I think the wikipedias will operate > faster if they merely transclude infoboxes of their choice, at their own > speed, from the wi

[Wikidata-l] Wikidata Transclusions

2012-06-13 Thread jmcclure
I base my belief that [[wikitopics]] is operationally faster on a basic difference between the two designs, as I think the wikipedias will operate faster if they merely transclude infoboxes of their choice, at their own speed, from the wikidata central repository. Transclusion is surely fundam