Re: [WikiEN-l] The Baader-Meinhof phenomenon is now well-known because it's been on Wikipedia for so long

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Psychological correlates of deletionism/inclusionism?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Larry Sanger's new project

the Slashdot editorial.) - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another PR company busted ... apparently it's all our fault

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia as part of a social media strategy for hotels

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Massive AfC backlog

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Massive AfC backlog

) On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:56 PM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote: I've worked very often at CSD, but I have just now been taking a look at AfC, in response to the messages about the backlog. It surprised

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Lum Hats in Paradise

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability of commercial organisations

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Corporate Representatives for Ethical Wikipedia Engagement

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Nobel prizewinning chemist: in my field, Wikipedia is more reliable than textbooks

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Re: [WikiEN-l] The viable competitors to Wikipedia.

, the inclusionists will have it not rejected. But it would be interesting to see a search option: Do you want to see everything (WP+WP2), or only the notable(W)? Anyone care to guess which people would choose? -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Free Credo Reference accounts for Wikipedians

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors}

. Andreas No one is obligated to edit in a foolish way. Editorial judgment means use your OWN best judgment, and, if there are issues, discuss what weight to give various sources. Fred -- David Goodman DGG at the enWP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors} - repost

radical change, it is sometimes better to start over again from scratch than to adapt existing structures. On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:24 AM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/02/2011, David Goodman dgge

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Leadership (was NY Times article on gender gap in Wikipedia contributors} - repost

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Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Building a community or building an encyclopedia?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Alleged Liberal Bias

make a good faith argument that it is not a reliable source, as I could for any other news source with obvious bias, but I don't think there would be consensus on that point. -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG

Re: [WikiEN-l] Citizendium charter ratified

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another sourcing problem

you explain and suggest what you mean here? FT2 On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 9:46 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: (Snip) Perhaps a rewording not using absolute terms might work better--NFCC has shown the disadvantages of using in an absolute sense things that need

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin / experienced user flameout - how do we talk people down off the ledge?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Community ready for Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection)?

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Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

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Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

not know how to put together a project that could maintain unity and consensus when the scale became large. -- David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from

Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins - The theory that making it easier to get rid of admins is a solution to the decline in their active numbers

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Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of active EN wiki admins

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Re: [WikiEN-l] declining numbers of EN wiki admins

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Re: [WikiEN-l] flagged revisions - autoreviewer even of minor edits

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Polarized light microscopy

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Updated new search interface on the prototype

Not bad in terms of function, except for the small size of the search box, which should be twice the current size there. But it would still be better on the left side, under the logo. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:15 PM

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

, not including it because of what it shows is censorship. NOT CENSORED means in the image context that there is no image that we reject because of what it portrays. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged protection and patrolled revisions

agreed on that. I'm very apprehensive about the possible negative effect on new contributors, but this seems a good solution David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010

Re: [WikiEN-l] IPA issues

pronunciation guide should be given, and we should continue using IPA also, and consider ourselves fortunate that there is only a single standard. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:22 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Question

Re: [WikiEN-l] UIC Journal: Evaluating quality control of Wikipedia's feature[d] articles

does not get great credit for a review in the academic world, but one does get a little--and one shows oneself an expert in front of other experts. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR consultants: perhaps Wikipedia is not the ideal promotional medium

about all companies that meet our notabiliity requirements, the way we do for populated places, it would greatly diminish the tendency for people to think they needed to write their own article. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:34 AM

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

not consider myself an extreme inclusionist. I for example do not support the inclusion of members of most city councils, or local school boards. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

to a convenient way of explaining NOT TABLOID; that we do not write articles about someone whose involvement in something was incidental of of no actual importance. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG Didn't that evolve from the murdered people standard, where

Re: [WikiEN-l] A war on external links? Was: Inside Higher Ed: Does Wikipedia Suck?

is easier better than a true fork where the articles diverge. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I think the point is to use editorial judgment with respect to what external links

Re: [WikiEN-l] Looking for thoughts on statistics

they do not do, other projects will, especially for public records. I deliberately picked Michigan, because of the quality and amount of scanning with free access being done by the University of Michigan. Some other states are almost equally good for local material, such as Texas. David Goodman

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reforming RFA

opportunity to improve their articles, rather than the current tendency to our taking advantage of every opportunity to remove it. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

the material. (I am not advocating for doing either one of them, except to say that either one would be simpler to deal with than a mixture, and after their first experience with the encyclopedia, people would know where to look. according to reader choice. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

. , such as v.8: Engineering, v.9 recreation , but with the articles arranged alphabetically within each vol. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:31 PM, David

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

, as is happening right now at WT:FICTION. The only practical hope is for us to attract new people who will come to the discussions without long-set preconceptions about them. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Charles Matthews

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

. Personally, I think that's the worst way to find a solution. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Goodman wrote: David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another notability casualty

David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Charles Matthews wrote: You are paraphrasing from [[Wikipedia:Notability]]. However, as is common enough in this (endless

Re: [WikiEN-l] Living Person Task Force is starting up

I'm sorry but I will not participate, as I am unwilling to use a process like IRC. The discussion should be on-wiki,. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Keegan Paul kgnp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

I would be uncomfortable with about blanking articles, if it couldnt do better in telling whether or not something is referenced than the last week or so of deletion nomination has done. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Abd

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: The Cunctator wrote: Sometimes I don't understand people. Carcharoth goes to the trouble of finding his birth date, learning he

Re: [WikiEN-l] Save a BLP

to add references, though this is rarely done. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: IMHO a lot of the problems with unsourced BLP would go away if it were easier to find sources

Re: [WikiEN-l] Removing unsourced information

in there not being omissions of significant. Selective footnoting, like selective quoting, is a standard method of one-sided argument. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:31 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 01/26/2010

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

of them carefully. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Emily Monroe wrote: Can anybody explain what PWD is? Surely. But in another thread, I hope. Charles

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

He was not in this group, having been dealt with years ago. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:18 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/22 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com: Chicken Little is a fairly good

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

Sorry -- what I was replying to did not get included; I was relying to a suggest by David Gerard that [[John Seigenthaler]] would have been a counter- example. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM, David Goodman dgoodma

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

by themselves alone. And then we would be able to concentrate on the much bigger problem of all the sourced articles in Wikipedia that nonetheless contain major errors. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

for BLP. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: Community consensus isn't a valid reason to violate BLP. en:wp is a top-5 website of massive impact, not a personal playground enjoying

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

admin involved. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Goodman wrote: Arb Com at this point seems very willing to encourage arbitrary action by administrators, when we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Administrator coup / mass deletions

: the people who wished to make a point about the problem have certainly made a point. Now let them--they themselves--prove the sincerity of their efforts by retracing their steps and seeing what they can rescue. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

be interested more in one than the other. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Apoc 2400 wrote: I personally think we are at the stage where we should be spending time improving

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

should expect at least the same knowledge of basic rules we look for at an RfA. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:17 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it's the other way around

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia Lesson Plan

As for the article on Horse, I hope this wasn't the real example used in class, because by the time the letter was written, it still had no references. The current state of the article is due to the subsequent improvements by a number of experienced Wikipedians. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http

Re: [WikiEN-l] fictional categories

that says that it is a fiction. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote: I freely admit I have an issue with fictional categories. I find them somewhat in the face

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

version] of ''How Wikipedia Works'' by Phoebe Ayers, Charles Matthews, and Ben Yates (also available in [http://nostarch.com/howwikiworks.htm print]) I once thought of doing a similar book myself, but i quickly saw I could not do better. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

of the people will keep on trying. This applies not only to immature editors, but also to people who wander in from the commercial or academic world where expectations are different. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Charles

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

get it right. I'd like to find a way to deal with this. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Ryan Delaney wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Charles Matthews

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

. For models, check CSD. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:17 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: The idea is to test the speedy

Re: [WikiEN-l] Contextual text in Wikipedia

of their system to be worth the possible exposure to , say, a possible future totalitarian government. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:33 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/28 David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com: From

Re: [WikiEN-l] Contextual text in Wikipedia

, or an official WMF project? David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I predict role account drama... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP and Deep Web, was Re: Age fabrication and original research

people learn either by instruction or experience how to get it right in their subjects) 3. I do not advise testing how far AGF gets us with or some of the more hostile publishers in law and engineering. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Oct 12, 2009

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP and Deep Web, was Re: Age fabrication and original research

to look harder for what one wants to find. The only sort of search where this doesn't apply are the purely mechanical ones that can be properly carried out by the current level of artificial intelligence. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Oct 11, 2009

Re: [WikiEN-l] WP and Deep Web, was Re: Age fabrication and original research

If they are not in copyright, Open Libraries Intiiative and Google Books are doing quite nicely; David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: David Goodman wrote: Quite apart from  the incredible

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

. The deletion of improvable articles because the small number of participants at AfD who are interested and willing to rescue them is one of the reasons for people losing the interest in Wikipedia. Who after all actually wants to come to articles for deletion, but those who want to delete articles. David

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

the vandalism off them for those few minutes. But that's all that can be expected of it David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Surreptitiousness

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

in many cases find the necessary material, based entirely on secondary tertiary sources. We could do even more: there are book-length works based on specific periods in his life (Kaminski's Early career of Samuel Johnson; Clifford's Dictionary Johnson : Samuel Johnson's middle years. . David

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

*ought* to. Given the detail of academic sourcing in some subject, many Wikipedia articles could be ten times their size. This is not always desirable. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Surreptitiousness wrote: Andrew Gray wrote: I think we can easily distinguish, though; the notability-by-association thing really

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, medical information, and media controversy

of the things provided for in the BLP compromise. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/21 Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net: The distinction

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

The best practical way to audit admin actions is to become an admin oneself. Admins have just as many conflicts among them as any other active people here. There are people I watch, and people who watch me. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Sep

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

people join in doing it, which is why Wikipedia works in the first lpace. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: David Goodman wrote: the overwhelming majority of speedily

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

have to learn any one thing, whether or not I dislike it, than need to learn them all. I recognize of course that this tends to inhibit experiment and improvement. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 7:44 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com

Re: [WikiEN-l] you have to improve upon it before tagging it for speedy deletion

build the encyclopedia--rather the authors should be guided towards more fruitful subject matter. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I'm quite active at speedy deletion and often decline

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: the Journal

. for political elections, that the view of the majority must be followed, whether for practical or ideological reasons, regardless of prejudice None of these are actually all that accurate assumptions, but , but they're better than the situation here. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia: the Journal

'. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: This alienates a large number of academics who are already very interested in learning about and contributing to Wikipedia but have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

a norm. Not all processes involved an explicit hearing before the community. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/11/09, wjhon...@aol.com wjhon...@aol.com wrote: My understanding

Re: [WikiEN-l] Examples of pro/paid content at Wikimedia?

Actually, many of them edit in a slightly less clumsy but still very unsatisfactory way, and if not noticed at first may never be improved afterwards if the group is not prominent. We have 10s of thousands of such articles. I tend to leave them alone, because there are so many worse. David

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

nominations than can be intelligently dealt with. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Phil Nash pn007a2...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Andrew Turvey wrote: - Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Emily Monroe bluecalioc...@me.com wrote: Delete on sight is unwiki, and violates several of our core policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their subordinates. True

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

improve the encyclopedia in two ways simultaneously first, by getting unsourceable articles deleted, and second, by getting sourceable ones sourced. They are equal priorities. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:55 PM, stevertigostv

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

to the Googles and similar convenience links, such as Proquest and Lexis and JSTOR ) need to be checked and if necessary upgraded. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG gwern ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

directly, or: The WorldCat interface has at the top under the search box Cite/Export giving a choice of formats--I usually pick Turabian. The proper reference will appear, except that you need to add the ISBN from the main record also. Probably this can be automated. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http

Re: [WikiEN-l] PR firm accused of whitewashing Wikipedia article on Maldives

also seem to be in need of very considerable attention. Frankly, what the PR firm did is not really worse than some other editors at those articles David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Keith Oldkeith...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

have any formal method for approving them, but we ought to. The WMF should not be prescribing it for us. That this should be done at the same time as the flagged revisions test is yet another complication. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Mon, Aug 31, 2009

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

In the absence of any actual validation that this measures trust' or reliability or quality, i am very skeptical it would be highly inappropriate to integrate into our gadgets. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Andrew

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-sourced nonsense vs. unsourced competence

. the process of 'adaptation' is the evolutionary modification of a character under selection for efficient or advantageous (fitness-enhancing) functioning in a particular context p.13 David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:53 AM

Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

the lack of visible reward will have the same effect on them as on new contributors. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 2:15 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: 2009/8/28 David

Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_protection_and_patrolled_revisions which is very likely to be an incorrect assumption. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/27 Andrew Turvey andrewrtur

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