Re: [WikiEN-l] So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

2013-05-12 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 6:43 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangestagfilter=visualeditor It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click Edit source to do references

Re: [WikiEN-l] Gallery policy

2013-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:49 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: However the overall format in the article is considered when considering what is appropriate. Image galleries create large breaks in the text and messy formatting due to issues with screen resolution. As a result there are best

[WikiEN-l] Gallery policy

2013-02-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Do content policies still get discussed on this list? I'm a bit out of touch. Anyway, I seem to keep running afoul of the image use policy. Several galleries that I've added to articles have been removed. (And see this response to my second attempt to gallerise one article:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Gallery policy

2013-02-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: It's a tricky one. I favour more image use, not less, but then I work with images a lot (outside Wikipedia), so I'm kind of biased there. I Yeah, I wonder if there is equally a pro-text/anti-image bias amongst some

Re: [WikiEN-l] deployment of the first phase of Wikidata on enwp

2013-02-14 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Lydia, Very cool. You might want to expand on this text: Language links in the sidebar will automatically come from Wikidata, once the article is linked on Wikidata. No special syntax is needed for that. Speaking as someone who knows nothing about Wikidata, the phrase once the article is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Looks nice! Feels a bit visually busy ... maybe not being used to it. The languages dropdown seems a bit mystery-meat navigation to me - perhaps head it Other languages like the Categories dropdown next to it. Yeah, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Minor quibbles: * The header hits a common problem - treating read/talk/edit/history as four different interfaces to the same page, while they're really three interfaces to the page (read/edit/history) and one link

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
Hey, that works :) I put it on userstyles.org. So if you use the Stylish plugin for Chrome or Firefox, you can add it here: http://userstyles.org/styles/82333/wikipedia-3-columns-magnus-manske Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: For those

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Bennett
for wide screens for so long. I mean, seriously - that eiger-normal.png looks *awful*. The text is far too wide to read comfortably, and then there's this huge white space next to the contents box. And all with a tiny amount of CSS. Great job, Magnus! Steve On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another WP redesign

2013-01-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Trouble there is that newspapers are portrait and have pages, but screens are usually landscape and (the important bit) stretch indefinitely vertically. A good example of the problem with doing it like a newspaper is

[WikiEN-l] Page Ratings analysis?

2012-05-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, Just wondering if there is any published analysis from the Page ratings widget that appears on every page. My subjective impression is that the ratings data is pretty bad, but I'd be interested to read up. Thanks, Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] How our competitors are doing

2012-04-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Their article on us is great, though: http://conservapedia.com/Wikipedia Wow, that's awesome - the whole introduction is gold. In fact, so much to enjoy about that article - even the effect of scandals on Wikipedia

Re: [WikiEN-l] Manual Of Style

2012-04-01 Thread Steve Bennett
Oops, your question wasn't rhetorical? :-) I haven't consulted it in years, but nor have I ever really used it to beat people over the head with. Steve On Apr 1, 2012 5:44 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2012 01:11, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 31

Re: [WikiEN-l] Manual Of Style

2012-03-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:23 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: When was the last time you looked at the Wikipedia Manual of Style for use in your own writing? And not to tell someone else they were wrong about something. What's wrong with that? That's how most rulebooks work - people

Re: [WikiEN-l] Article Landing Pages - functional prototype to test and comment on

2012-03-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone change the password? Those details aren't working for me. Oic, you can create your own account on the labs site. My thoughts: - The choices use the article wizard, create a draft, create this article myself

Re: [WikiEN-l] A reader's experience with The Closed, Unfriendly World Of Wikipedia

2011-12-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: Now whatever the merits of his case, this chap does have a point about the unfriendliness of the environment. It isn't so much that we've gone out of our way to be unfriendly, but the tool we use to interact--the wiki,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Slidershow: Proposal for a JavaScript-based feature to enhance some articles

2011-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:09 AM, Timwi ti...@gmx.net wrote: div class='slidershow' style='width: 300px' ; Term One : [[Image:Image One.jpg|300px]] Description One ; Term Two : [[Image:Image Two.jpg|300px]] Description Two ; Term Three : [[Image:Image Three.jpg|300px]] Description Three /div

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rating the English wikipedia

2011-02-13 Thread Steve Bennett
I would think that percentages of FA/GA/A/B/C/Start/Stub with respect to page hits would be much more illuminating. Ooh, I'd like to see that. And to get a list of pages that are well below par considering their popularity. Steve ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: 3) Clicking outside the edited section should do something (ie, prompt you to save or abandon) What if you want to copy something from outside the section? (Assuming paste would work...) Good point. 4)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Support needed for Wikipedia QnA website to open

2011-01-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Tom Jenkins tomjenkin...@gmail.com wrote: StackExchange http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StackExchange, a free Question and Answer network of websites would start a website dedicated to Wikipedia and Wiki questions if the community only supports the project by

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2011-01-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com Nice :-) Update : WYSIFTW now with auto-collapsed references! Hey Magnus, not sure if you're looking for more feedback, but, I just tried the section editing and: 1) Can't paste into it (ctrl+v). Other keys also don't

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-29 Thread Steve Bennett
, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Force-reload, go to an article, and you'll see a new WYSIWTF tab (I trust you can decipher the acronym ;-) Hi Magnus,  I'm not getting an extra tab. Perhaps I've done

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia is not a dictionary (was: Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered)

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Wikipedia is not a how-to manual. The grinches did get rid of the recipes though; not many left. I'm ok with that one because there can be many recipes for each dish, and it quickly becomes very arbitrary. But each word

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia is not a dictionary (was: Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered)

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No, there isn't.  And that's why Wiktionary can work.  But articles about words don't belong in an encyclopedia.  Encyclopedias talk about the concept behind the word, not the word itself. I think your meh example is perfect.

Re: [WikiEN-l] WYSIWTF

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Force-reload, go to an article, and you'll see a new WYSIWTF tab (I trust you can decipher the acronym ;-) Hi Magnus, I'm not getting an extra tab. Perhaps I've done something stupid, but I stuck the above code

Re: [WikiEN-l] The next Apollo programme: usable WYSIWYG on WMF sites

2010-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 11:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Please discuss there ... I'm not on Foundation-L, so I'll discuss here: So, specification of the problem: * We need good WYSIWYG. The government example suggests that a simple word-processor-like interface would be enough

Re: [WikiEN-l] Britannica tries for Indian market

2010-12-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:08 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: According to the article they do, but only if you give them your name and address and then let a professional verify your edit. Also you can only edit for free for the first 24 months, then you have to pay

Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:50 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I can picture a model in which lots of other people write what turn out to be feeder wikis for Wikipedia. But I can't see what's really in it for the volunteers on those wikis. Are you serious? What's in it for them is the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Cubans start online encyclopedia

2010-12-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Keith Old keith...@gmail.com wrote: Cuba has begun its own online encyclopedia, similar to Wikipedia, with the goal of presenting its version of the world and history. Cool, well at least it's not duplication of effort. If there are going to be any other online

Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com wrote: Four or five years ago I quite confidently pronounced it unlikely that the success of Wikipedia could be sustained beyond 2010. Once the novelty wore off, I thought, people would drift away to the next shiny new thing.

Re: [WikiEN-l] What proportion of articles are stubs?

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 29 November 2010 20:42, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: So does clicking Random Article and (gasp) judging for one's own self what is a stub produce a figure very different from 50%? I

Re: [WikiEN-l] CZ fork: Tendrl

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.basicprogramming.org/larsent/tendrl/index.php/Tendrl:Differences Everyone uses their own real names. Meh. You lose good editors that way. Potential contributors need to create an account to edit, but don't have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well, it A/B tests well

2010-11-20 Thread Steve Bennett
Excellent, the fundraiser has high penetration, and recognition amongst the target audience segment! Combined with high clickthrough and conversion metrics, this campaign will achieve its target potential! Steve On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:09 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why the Internet dooms universities

2010-10-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:24 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This reads like a radical anti-egalitarian manifesto by some young Internet-based firebrand ... then I got to the end and my jaw dropped at the author's job. Heh, I'm obviously closer to this space than you - I wasn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Three cheers for Wikipedia's cancer info (or two and a half)

2010-06-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Keith Old keith...@gmail.com wrote: The researchers write in their study's abstract, to be presented at the current annual meeting of theAmerican Society of Clinical Oncologyhttp://chicago2010.asco.org/: Although the Wiki resource had similar accuracy and depth

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Cos I've never understood how bugzilla works, and there's something weird about how you have to register over there and it is different from Wikipedia (I'm not even sure which servers it runs on). I tend to raise

Re: [WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: If you do get a developer to do that, can you also ask for the what links here thing to distingush between links provided by template content and links provided by article content (i.e. non-template content)?

[WikiEN-l] List of Rivers of Egpyt - what to do?

2010-05-25 Thread Steve Bennett
So I decided to fill in a red link I saw on the community portal: [[List of Rivers of Egypt]]. I started creating the article, then reached the amusing realisation that perhaps there is only one. Yep, that one. So, do we just have a pathetically short list? It seems for completeness etc, that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:08 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 May 2010 00:12, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you explain why Wikipedia and Wikimedia tends to avoid having explicit guidelines on such matters? It's a gross NPOV violation. I don't see it,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimbo on Commons

2010-05-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: I suggest that this is a piss-poor way to create Wikipedia policy.  There's a substantial contingent of policy wonks who take any blanket policy statement as gospel and use it as an excuse to avoid even *trying* to figure

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] Public Policy Initiative

2010-05-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: lobbying groups. A look through the articles in this category (if accurately placed there) may help UK readers of this mailing list to see what public policy means:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Related places tool

2010-02-05 Thread Steve Bennett
[4] http://tinyurl.com/y92rgo2 Doesn't work for me. Perhaps you could explain a little bit more on the webpage how to use it. Is there a required format for the page you link from the edit box? A little context would help... I can't get anything to work.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Flagged revs on en:wp?

2010-01-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:37 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever Awesome. That trumps both Racing Legends ( http://www.racing-legends.com/news.htm) and Team Fortress 2. Steve ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up to four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days

Re: [WikiEN-l] The story of an article

2010-01-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:51 AM, altally altal...@googlemail.com wrote: When I started, I created an account from the beginning. Why? Because it wasn't hard to notice the big Sign in/create account link in the corner. Newbies aren't all clueless idiots. You are making the mistake of assuming

Re: [WikiEN-l] How smart people fail to share

2009-12-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 11:30 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone reading this list is probably pretty smart - Wikipedia is a nerd magnet, after all. So I liked this blog post explaining how people fail to share:

Re: [WikiEN-l] some attention regarding our ad placement

2009-12-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 1:19 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: against all sorts of content, including user-generated content. This led to two common sorts of freak out. One was brand managers who were shocked to see their beloved brand appearing on the same page with something

Re: [WikiEN-l] Random featured article...

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: The portal doesn't select from all featured articles, only those that have been on the main page. I do agree that the Featured Content portal is under-promoted though (in fact portals generally are) Yes, I don't

Re: [WikiEN-l] Random featured article...

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: 2009/12/14 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: Yes, I don't really understand the decision taken on en not to show portals on article pages. On fr, for example, if you read a chemistry article, there's a Chemistry

Re: [WikiEN-l] Random featured article...

2009-12-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: deteriorating from brilliant prose into mediocre prose).  If the community approved a featured star display for caption boxes the problem would Has this been proposed? It seems logical and inoffensive. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Teach Yourself Wikipedia in 10 Minutes

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Threat not a promise: newish book, anyone read? I see the Signpost are [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Review desk|looking for a reviewer]]. I did try to get a publisher interested in  Teach

Re: [WikiEN-l] oh dear

2009-12-11 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:35 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipe-tan on b3ta. http://www.b3ta.com/board/9830507 - d. Looks like the urine pic is a 'shopped version of one of these:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Strangely enough, the flaggedrevisions feature seems to provide a lot of what we need: 1) People don't have to watch changes as they happen, they can stumble on them when they go to save a new change 2) Changes are marked as patrolled, so far more efficient than 10 people all noticing the same

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:49 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 3)The massive backlog in patrolled edits will kill the instant feedback wikipedia currently gives and reduce editing to a level where watching everything is no longer a problem. Only if all pages are set to show only the patrolled

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Perhaps one of our wizards could check how many pages are not watched by anybody who has edited in 2009. More useful and precise would be collecting page views of diffs. I don't know if we record them or

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do we try to watch(list) the encyclopedia too much?

2009-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Mike Pruden mikepru...@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps I'm the only one who finds this a little concerning in my part, but lately I've been feeling that too many users are trying to watch too much of Wikipedia at one time. Let me elaborate a little. It isn't

Re: [WikiEN-l] On this day in history...

2009-12-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: There is a whole process now for requesting a main page featured article slot. Mainly because we have more featured articles being produced than there are available slots.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:23 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the typos for MySpace.com and google.com had been created and deleted by db-R3 (typo unlikely to happen in real life). I recreated them with an edit summary pointing to that page, as evidence that people's typing

Re: [WikiEN-l] On this day in history...

2009-12-07 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: day's events in history. Excluding Pearl Harbor (or anything similarly notable) from OTD because a related content item is featured elsewhere on the page suggests that the event itself is not notable enough to be listed on OTD.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:26 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton just volunteered for something. Anyone got favoured VA exhibits we don't have a pic of? Get back to him with room, collection, cabinet, etc :-) VA = Victoria and Albert, a London museum, to save you all the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 3:30 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the theory that volunteers will work hard at whatever they damn well feel like. This is one way to get n00bs in, and doesn't preclude other approaches. Here's another: when someone searches for an article

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) Incidentally, I find the following collection of facts rather curious in their ensemble: 1) Norwegian Antarctic Expedition was one of the most requested redlinks, with 25 or so hits 2) There is a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Here's another: when someone searches for an article (let's say norwegian antarctic expedition) Incidentally, I find the following

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Anyone visiting VA with a camera soon?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Something for Commons, though? That's tricky, since Commons by definition only stores media, it doesn't have a framework of concepts to hang media off by default. That's why it would be very natural to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Given the huge preponderance of readers over editors, the last point really should be first (visit help desks). Then I would go to drafting: If you are able to draft an article on this topic, you can

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:17 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote: Thanks! I thought 807 was quite a lot, but then I saw David has created 1224... :-) I daren't ask how many redirects we have in total, though I am sure that is somewhere as well. Aww, just shy of 600 here. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] new articles from unconfirmed users queue - where is that these days?

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:11 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, that'll be my coupla hours' Wikipedia tonight: rescuing articles in the queue ... Also have a look at the article incubator, where articles that barely fail AfD get shunted. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:39 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: I usually suggest to new-comers that they first spend some time improving and updating articles in their field of interest to get It depends what you mean by newcomer. I think it's easy to make the mistake of assuming a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment idea: missing article lists

2009-12-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: While I fully agree with your nowhere near finished position, the argument you presented here is especially weak. All that shows is that the geodata coverage is not especially uniform. Yeah, that map has been popping

Re: [WikiEN-l] New articles from the third world

2009-12-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:50 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: And most of the time I think they are being treated OK by the deletionists. Though I did see one speedy tag where I wondered if the tagger would have tagged as non notable a nature reserve of over

Re: [WikiEN-l] Something on the nature of working for free

2009-11-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:02 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: It's important to keep in mind that volunteers - anyone you're not compensating for the work - do what they want, and won't do that they don't want to.  A lot of volunteer organizations implode when people at the

Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP task force meeting

2009-11-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Giacomo M-Z solebaci...@googlemail.com wrote: Oh that sounds really interesting, I will pay some money to join IRC and then get up at 2am to participate. Much more fun than doing it freely and openly on Wikipedia. Please stop trolling. (Moderator)

Re: [WikiEN-l] My most reused piece of free content

2009-11-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, it is a great idea that's why we have article introductions, right? - causa sui Yep! Our style of having an introductory paragraph that is a summary of the salient points of the whole article (rather than a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ad-free forever?

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: The strategy process is still ongoing and there are a number of proposals for adverts. I don't sense they're going to get any traction this time. But if the WMF severely lacked funds in future years I imagine everyone would

Re: [WikiEN-l] New site for meta-discussion

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Jake Wartenberg j...@jakewartenberg.com wrote: I've created website to complement these mailing lists a venue for discussion. It's at wikien.net http://www.wikien.net/.  Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions. There have been a few of these.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability Study Round Two!

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: Go to Enable navigable table of contents in the editing tab of your user-preferences. It's the checkbox at the very bottom - next to the other experimental features. Yay. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] My most reused piece of free content

2009-11-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:00 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Removed now, along with most of the article (which was a copyright violation). I actually kind of liked the idea of a very brief summary. Maybe not using the nutshell template, but it could work, particularly when you have a number

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability Study Round Two!

2009-11-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Parul Vora pv...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all! The Wikipedia Usability Initiative conducted an evaluative study of our progress thus far in mid-October.  Highlights are posted to the blog here: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/11/18/ux-usability-study-take-two/

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The closest I've come to writing about things in other countries is here: Aww, I'm a *much* better person than you: New Zealand: Broken River, New Zealand, Craigieburn Valley, Fox Peak, Invincible Snowfields, Mount

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Internet? Bah!

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:07 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.newsweek.com/id/106554 Linked and digged from a current article. Quite chuckleworthy. So cool! The truth in no online database will replace your daily newspaper, reddit.com pretty much did for me. no CD-ROM can

Re: [WikiEN-l] Featured churn

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Apoc 2400 apoc2...@gmail.com wrote: I think there is a huge number of notable topics that we have not yet covered. Sure, there may be fewer sources about central Africa, but what about China and South America? The areas most Wikipedians care about are well

Re: [WikiEN-l] Ad-free forever?

2009-11-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm not here to discuss the wording of the fundraising slogans yet again, but this one screams legal trouble: Wikipedia. Ad-free forever. [Progress bar] [Donate now button] I'd interpret this as if we reach

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Create an article as a newbie challenge now paused

2009-11-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: The entire NEWT project is a disruption to make a point - and the No. The main goal is/was data collection - to find out whether the assertions made by the original blog post were accurate or not. It seems that there are grounds

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Evangeline Han evanbe...@gmail.com wrote: Can the Foundation give an explanation as to why they went on with putting up that banner despite strong opposition from many people? Because their advice was that it would work. It probably is working. Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 76, Issue 22

2009-11-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Daniel R. Tobias d...@tobias.name wrote: But from what I can see of their budgets, not all that much of their funds are going to that.  The rest is going for stuff like maintaining an office in a much more expensive city than the cheap one they used to have in

Re: [WikiEN-l] WIKIPEDIA FOREVER

2009-11-14 Thread Steve Bennett
It is pretty much traditional for the fundraiser to cause controversy, in fact. I know how Oleg feels. These days I ignore the ads, since I don't see why I should give money well as time: and they are obviously aimed at Wikipedia's readers, who outnumber the people seriously involved with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia fundraising slogans from identi.ca and Twitter

2009-11-14 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 6:26 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: People are doing some interesting work with auto-optimized ad runs that we could look at adapting for next year. Given our massive amounts of traffic, we could accept a pretty broad range of slogans, and let the system

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-11-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: Well, now you've given me another guess: The problem with PWD is that it's wrong to have deleted material available for people to look at because that would encourage them to look at deleted content rather than undeleted

Re: [WikiEN-l] fictional categories

2009-11-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Schroedinger's cat very definitely is fictitious; it's not an experiment you can actually do and get an alive/dead cat that you can actually see, you would get either an alive cat, or a dead cat. I agree with the

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-11-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:21 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm hoping that we won't have too many trick articles in this process, or articles that should be deleted but not by CSD (the criteria are write an article that doesn't meet the deletion criteria. Hmm,

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-11-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I think you needed to point out which bits of information corresponded with which sources. I sure did! I also needed to use bullet points - but I didn't know that. I see the failed wikilinking for Bintulu was not

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:32 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com wrote: The idea is to test the speedy deletion process with articles that shouldn't be speedy deleted. Links to several of the articles in the process and their fates have been posted to

Re: [WikiEN-l] Can sweet reason still work on en:wp? Occasionally.

2009-10-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Ryan Delaney ryan.dela...@gmail.com wrote: to the end. Rather than saying I am invoking IAR and I did this because X, just say I did this because X. Disagree. The response to I did this because X is, But there's rule Y, which you should have followed. Explicitly

Re: [WikiEN-l] How friendly are we to Newbies? Update on the create an article as a newbie challenge

2009-10-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:55 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: I want to personally look at the articles and responses in more depth before I comment more, but this has been exceptionally valuable research. Yes, can you please post the usernames and the articles that were

Re: [WikiEN-l] IAR

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On 10/2/09, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: But the IAR policy is clear, if ANY policy, including BLP stops you improving the wikipedia then you can override it. ...until someone objects. The important caveat. Steve ___ WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] deletionism in popular culture

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On 10/3/09, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, there is one in there that strikes me as valid: the shield-mate one. I know I've read about the idea before in multiple contexts, and there's the obvious historical example of the Sacred Band. I don't know if it's *correct*, and it

Re: [WikiEN-l] Classic commentary

2009-10-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On 10/3/09, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: '''Show the door to trolls, vandals, and wiki-anarchists, who, if permitted, would waste your time and create a poisonous atmosphere here.''' - Larry Sanger Out of curiosity, on which side of the door do you see yourself, Steve? Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On 9/30/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Again, I reiterate that all experienced editors should try editing as an IP for a while. See how well our propaganda matches the way we The thing that puts me off most, personally, is that the IP is recorded and published. I wouldn't really

Re: [WikiEN-l] Age fabrication and original research

2009-09-29 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:32 AM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: From a Wikipedia editorial stance, stating that date of birth has multiple reliable sources that conflict, is fine. Books state X, official government records state Y, both are RS enough to be worth citing and the difference is

Re: [WikiEN-l] FlaggedRevs test wiki needs you!

2009-09-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: I’ve added a couple quick notes to this affect on the main page: http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Ah, I didn't know about this. Having a quick look now. Comments: - It looks like the UI could do with

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